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Tuesday 15 October 2019

MORIEL STATEMENT: JACOB PRASCH & MORIEL DISASSOCIATION FROM BILL RANDLES

Below is a statement dated the 14th of October from Moriel Ministries regarding Jacob Prasch's disassociation from Bill Randles.

Firstly to the genuine brethren and sisters that I have engaged with I thank you for your prayers and petitions on behalf of Jacob and Moriel. You have shown the true Faith in maturity and Trust in The Lord Jesus and knowing the difference by Godly Discernment. The last days are upon us and only those with true insight [discernment] will have understanding.[Dan.12:10]

I fully appreciate it when folk who are not privy to prior correspondence and communications are suddenly confronted with news of a schism between brethren who formerly stood shoulder to shoulder against the heresies confronting the modern church, and who had hitherto been friends. Both are held in high esteem by many of us, both are loved by many of us.

The decision by the Moriel Board to disassociate from Bill Randles was painful and not taken lightly. It was not the decision of Jacob Prasch alone. Moriel had long endorsed and cooperated with Bill Randles, and as similarly transpired with David Nathan, there was widespread concern over what they were teaching [DN] and promoting[BR] and understandable objection to Moriel's association with it.

By way of fact, the near collapse of Bill Randles' church in the USA that saw the resignation of all but one of his elders, his secretary, and the mass departure of members, many of whom had been with him over 25 years was something that took place well before any disagreements Moriel had with Bill Randles and transpired without any reference to, or involvement of Jacob Prasch or Moriel. These things happened on the ugliest of terms, but Moriel or Jacob Prasch were not involved in any of it.

The issues surrounding Bill Randles are broad, they precede, and go beyond the forced reaction of Moriel. Neither has the subsequent decline of Bill Randles' international ministry been in any way precipitated by or involve Moriel. The decisions of Bill Randles' videographer to resign from Bill's church, the loss of his financial sponsor for trips to Australia and New Zealand, and the loss of GCR TV - his largest YouTube platform, were all decisions of their own taken in response to the new direction Bill Randles has embarked upon.

Jacob Prasch & Moriel had nothing to do with these decisions by them to withdraw from further involvement or support of Bill Randles. It was purely his actions and their response.

Moriel & Jacob Prasch agree with Bill Randles' public labelling of David Nathan as being heretical. The video documented false teachings of David Nathan cannot be described as otherwise and Bill Randles was and is correct on this point. Moriel was therefore left perplexed by Bill Randles public attack on Jacob Prasch in support of those who were promoting the very same David Nathan that Bill Randles had called 'heretical'.

Moriel is also left perplexed by Bill Randles' recent itinerary in Australia with a figure he invited and promoted in his pulpit who propounds the view that the Two Witnesses of The Book of Revelation Chapter 11 are the 2 angels who rescued Lot in Genesis and are God The Father and God The Holy Spirit who must come in human form as Christ did, and be killed in Jerusalem. This figure has recently re-enforced this view in a 2019 video on 'Angels'. While Bill Randles admits this teaching to be false, he hosted this false teacher in his church and still partners with him, and did so only a matter of weeks ago.

Bill Randles likewise admits that the lunatic fringe false teacher Craig White whom Bill Randles also had in his pulpit teaches serious error. Yet White's material remains on Bill Randles internet platform. Meanwhile, Bill Randles' representative in New Zealand propounds the false teaching that the prophecy of Revelation chapter 12 with the Woman & Stars, The Manchild, and the dragon & serpent were fulfilled 23rd September, 2017 because 'The Moon was in Virgo".

It has been one episode after another. The Bill Randles we knew at one time would have been the first to oppose error and those who disseminate it. Now he promotes those who propagate what Bill Randles himself admits is false doctrine. Bill Randles' denunciation of the pastor of a local Calvary Chapel, to whom many of the ex-flux of refugees from his church went and sought a new home, as a 'psychopath' was in our view slanderous and defamatory.

Misplaced notions that Jacob Prasch is a heresy hunter are ridiculous. These errors are propagated in the public domain and their promoters are promoting Bill Randles who until recently was promoted by Moriel and endorsed by Jacob Prasch. The Moriel Board was left with no viable choice but to do as the majority of church and other ministry partners have done and disassociate from Bill Randles. Moriel desired or initiated none of this. It is almost unbelievable to us that someone of the calibre of Bill Randles' has gone the way he has.

A few, unable to deny the factual basis of Moriel's actions have instead resorted to the ad hominem response of charging that Jacob Prasch is harsh in his manner in confronting the proponents of error and their promoters. We can only respectfully suggest that those espousing such a view read the words of Jesus in Matthew 23 or the diatribes and polemics of The Hebrew prophets. Is their problem with Jacob Prasch or rather with The Word of God?

Like Bill Randles, Jacob Prasch battles with issues of health; specifically Lymphatic Oedema causing non dietary obesity. To function Jacob is reliant on certain meds, one of which has the side effect of oral dehydration affecting salvia secretion. He is not 'foaming at the mouth' but battling a disease. Such personal attacks only evade the factual and doctrinal issues.

With Blessings in Jesus,

MORIEL (SA)
PSALM 121


A brief observation concerning the last paragraph:

I have done a little Internet research on the subject of lymphatic oedema as the cause of non dietary obesity, and this is not the case. There are a number of causes for lymphatic oedema, obesity being one of them in the case of secondary lymphatic oedema. Obese people suffering from lymphatic oedema are advised to lose weight as it is an aggravating factor. Prasch's penchant for changing facts is truly astonishing!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4393748/
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/lymphoedema/causes/

In 2017, Prasch blamed his obesity on "lymphatic fluid" in a video 'The Sin of Gluttony' {1} Once again Prasch distorts the medical facts:

NHS: "People who are obese, particularly those who are severely obese, have an increased risk of developing swollen body parts. It's not clear exactly why this is, but it's been suggested that the extra fatty tissue affects the lymphatic channels in some way, reducing the flow of fluid through them. In these cases, weight loss is an important part of treatment and even just starting to lose weight can make a big difference to the swelling." {2}

Prasch says correctly that gluttony is addressed as a serious sin in the scriptures (albeit that he falsely excludes himself), and he has previously made a passing reference to Bill Randles' obesity. Randles hypocrisy has been discussed by Mike Rogers on Closingstages: "..when you have a morbidly obese man telling you that you may not be saved because you drink or smoke pot the entire message becomes void and ineffective."{3} In particular, what kind of witnesses are morbidly obese pastors or elders i.e. those who are supposedly examples to the church (and the world)? (1 Peter 5:3).

..their god is their belly, and they glory in their shame, with minds set on earthly things. (Philippians 3:19). 

But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. (1 Corinthians 9:7).

Ellicott's Commentary: "..to the subduing of the appetites and passions which are located in it (the body). The true position of our natural appetites is that they should be entirely our servants, and not our masters; that we 'should not follow or be led by them,' but that they should follow and be led by us." {4}

UPDATE

There have been a lot of rumours going around about the situation at Bill Randles church, but nothing concrete. A previous member of Believers in Grace, Sergio Mariani, part of Randles media team, has now made a public statement. Sergio's statement corresponds with my own very unpleasant interaction with the Randles. {5}

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sqeoS3AxvI&t=571s
2. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/lymphoedema/causes/
3. https://closingstages.net/2019/09/06/bill-randles-twists-and-turns-eisgese/
4. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_corinthians/9-27.htm
5. http://moriel.org/latest/latest-news/sergio-mariani-statement-on-bill-randles-oct-13-2019.html

22 comments:

  1. Thank you for pointing out what is obvious concerning JP's condition. Tim Wirth and others have certainly made it clear that Jacob over eats and that is why he is obese. Concerning the email, I find it interesting that it includes Bill Randles battle with "health issues" yet does not say anything else on the matter and reverts back to Jacob's. Neither he, nor Bill play the victim well. Anyone with any common sence knows they are obese because they eat to much and have no or very little physical activity.

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  2. I have added a link to a recent statement from Sergio Mariani, a former member of the Randles Church.

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  3. Our Unknown friend has made a VERY helpful contribution here; or not?
    There is an old secular proverb that goes; "the proof is in the pudding". How true!
    Men and women like to blame their obesity on some man-made descriptive rather than on their own shortcomings. The plain fact of the matter is that if you over eat; you will become over weight? Is this really so difficult to understand? It may not be politically correct to say this, but then what true believer really cares what politicians say?!
    God bless.

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    1. This is a very touchy subject Colin.. Randles thinks that it is a personal attack if anyone mentions his weight. The fact is that gross obesity on this level is a very visible sign of lack of self control.. Many people struggle with their weight and I am sympathetic.. however in a pastor it is a bad witness. 1 Corinthians 5:11.
      God bless.

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    2. Agreed-don't think I am not unsympathetic!
      But I don't buy the medical excuse.
      My dear wife of over 25 years has always struggled with her weight-I know first hand! She did at one time approach obese levels and has now come well down from that 'high', but still some way to go; if indeed she can ever reach her goal.
      Though she wants to lose more weight, the times even now I still catch her snacking between meals is something else!
      God bless.
      (hope she doesn't see this!)

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    3. I certainly don't buy the medical excuse either in Prasch's case. God bless you and your dear wife Colin.

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    4. I have never once taken cheap shots at people's OBVIOUS shortcomings, since being regenerated from above, to the best of my knowledge at least! (knowing my own manifest failings!):Certainly in the case of Prasch, Randles or anyone else for that matter.
      Nevertheless as you so pointedly say Randles falls short of his position, that much is clear for all to see! I could go through all the relevant Scriptures,but I think you and most who visit your blog are all too aware of them?

      It is somewhat unfortunate,is it not, that the abbreviation for Believers In Grace is BIG?
      God bless.

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    5. With respect on any one with weight struggles I have seen Jacob eat. 2 Arbys 1/2 pounders with extra beef. Thats over 1 pound of processed meat washed down with a large shake. I have been around these guys they eat a lot late nite which is not good. But Jacobs weight has nothing to do with a medical issue. Its unfortuantly a calorie count issue

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    6. I don't doubt that Tim is telling the truth (whatever an "Arby" is?), but God's Book does indeed tell us not to entertain a charge against anyone unless there be "two or three witnesses" Dt.19:15, Matt.18:16, 2 Cor.13:1, 1 Tim.5:19.

      This whole sorry saga does evoke painful memories for me. Back in 2004 when I raised various issues with the Pentecostal outfit we were in fellowship with, the pastor and an elder invited themselves to our house to "steady the ship" as it were. As the meeting proceeded, the pastor became distinctly uncomfortable with my utterances (not tongues!!). All of a sudden he shot to his feet and started marching around the living room in an absolute rage! He accused us of having a whole host of malignant spirits then pointed a finger at my wife and raged "You HAVE the spirit of gluttony!" My head was in a spin, wife in tears, cut in half as you can well imagine! How I remained composed that day, God only knows!

      Certainly, she has struggled with her weight, as indeed many in the western world do, as testified by the billion £$ diet and fitness industry. However, there was zero grace in that man, even the elder present that day was taken aback. The pastor was heavily influenced by Derek Prince, and a real control freak. Needless to say we showed them a clean pair of heels-that was the end of Pentecostalism for us! but the emotional scars, loss of some friends...
      Even up to a few weeks after this episode they kept posting DPM materials to us!
      I think stories like this are not altogether that uncommon?

      I wonder if Mr Prasch and Randles have ever preached a sermon on "the spirit of gluttony"?!
      God bless.

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    7. I have had quite a nasty interaction with a woman who says she works for John Haller - Linda MacIntyre. She claims to be a retired nurse and she is disputing the medical information on Franks comments. I will put the links for the medical information up on my post. You might be interested in reading these comments, and also the conversation I had with Randles. He is not a man to be reasoned with!
      God bless.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p74A2vFyG-o&t=4s

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    8. Further to my last posting, I can only confirm that my wife's obesity was entirely due to over-eating, mainly what they call "snacking" and "comfort-eating" between main mails. At no time was there any medical issues involved. And I suspect this is mainly always the case! Having no trust whatsoever in the NHS/drugs/medical establishment-being a so-called anti-vaxxer!

      Obesity WILL bring on health and medical issues, which is generally ALWAYS the case. And obviously this was/is a matter of concern for us. At her peak, I suppose she was about seven stones overweight, now only approx 2-3 stones-going in the right direction, thankfully!
      God bless.

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    9. I witnessed Prasch's enormous meals during my trip to Israel in 2015 with Moriel. Prasch did not join us mere mortals at mealtimes. He came to the dining room when everyone had finished and sat on his own. The size of his meals was commented on by others in the group.
      ..and yes - Prasch made a 12 minute video in 2017.
      The Sin Of Gluttony.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sqeoS3AxvI
      God bless.

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  4. Mariani's statement only confirms the control that cults such as Moriel and BIG exercise over their flocks.
    They are not interested in the truth, only their version of it; and the books etc that they can sell...Gospel peddlers!

    God bless.

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  5. Hi Treena,
    The comnent by Sergio was interesting. Being disassociated by JP is actually a bonus for anybody, I would say. Hopefully there will not be anymore public YT statements by these men (I, like surely many, are past caring about their squabbles, egos, subterfuge etc). I pray that Bill does some prayerful reflecting and makes godly changes in his life, something we all need to do on a regular basis. "Examine yourselves to be sure ye are in the faith". My best, Mike

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    1. BIG suffered a massive split Mike.. and Mariani is the tip of the iceberg. It is good that this has come into the light. I do pray for the Randles - my personal view is that they should not be in the ministry.
      God bless.

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  6. Randles Open Letter To The Moriel Board.. https://billrandles.wordpress.com/

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  7. A couple of comments-Colin Arbys is a fast food Roast beef place. The really bad thing is that Arbrys is not real roast beef. It is processed meat. Usually a 25 percent fat and 75 percent beef parts blown in a bag to be formed into the shape of a roast. It is then cooked into an oven and sliced. I managed a Rax restaurant in Ohio for a short time. Same stuff. Jacob likes Arbys because he says its kosher.
    Now on to Sergio's statement. I have met Sergio and he is a nice guy. I met him when I spent time with the Randles at their church about 3 years ago. Sergio is a big, big supporter of Moriel and Jacob. He really was on me about getting him into Moriel because he wanted to possibly be a Moriel admin in Argentina . I simply referred him to David Lister and Jacob because I had nothing to do with anything concerning hiring admins in Moriel. Sergio I believe is a truthful Christian man and I have no doubt that his report was accurate.
    The thing that is disingenuous is not on Sergio but Moriel. Why was this statement that is an older statement used now? Plus I think Bill is maybe misleading posting that him and Serio are BFF's. If thats true lets see a follow up statement from Sergio. PS dont hold your breath on that one. Moriel puts things on hold that they can use on people at a later date when it suits their own evil purposes. They did this with Amir. How do I know this? Because Jacob wanted to do this expose on Amir back when it was fresh and I refused to do the film because Amir had already cleared things up quickly. So I talked Jacob out of that. But it was put in Jacob's holster to be used at a later date which it was. Both these ministries are a mess so I would say to avoid them. Since Jacob is teaching the Metatron and has made no effort to explain himself. I would guess people that call him out on the Metatron are all ignoramuses and not worth of a reply. Trust me God knows whats going on and will not be continually be mocked. Blessings-Tim

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  8. Hello to Treena and Tim. May I comment first that you both were a tremendous Christian blessing to me before I went of Facebook about 6 years ago. Treena, I too had a nasty interaction recently with this woman, Linda Macintyre recently. I was listening on YT to a JP teaching where he actually allowed comments. I noted in this 1 hour and 37 minute presentation that he repeated the same point over and over for the first 16 minutes. This Linda woman came back and asked "you timed him?" I replied yes and further commented on the length of the video and that JP seemed ill prepared. Well, things got really snippy on her end after that. Not long after that I was endeavoring to find out if she as an apparent admin on FBC's YT channel had blocked me or something. Also there seemed to be glitches with my postings/comments on the Pastor of FBC and John Haller. Well this Linda went berserk on me. She raged on and on about how she works for John Haller/FBC as well as JD Farag as admins for their YT channels. It is the last days and I need to get over myself and seemed to project this nasty attitude on me. She went on the live feed after I raised some issues in a biblical way and accused me of stalking and harassing her. Even reporting me to you tube and emailed me via youtube. I forwarded the whole mess of an email correspondence to the Pastor of FBC along with my comments and quoting scripture about how the true church are supposed to interact with one another. I got no response. Joel Gleason

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    1. Thank you for your comment Epaphras. I am sorry you had such a bad experience with this person. I personally have blocked her.
      God bless.

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  9. O blocked Linda as well because there is deeply something wrong with her. And there is deeply something wrong with John Haller and FBC for keeping her on. Pretty sure she does not work for JD Farag as well.
    Blessings
    Tim

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  10. Sorry, I am commenting on this issue that I forgot I already commented on. The memory banks aren't what they used to be. Joel Gleason

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  11. So recently after seeing Treena's comments here and with "out of the mouth of two or three witnesses.." in view, I sent that whole correspondence to John Haller along with your quote. He indicated he is out of the loop and suggested I block her which I already did. He did apologize to me in her behalf because in my original email I requested her husband call me and do that. Most importantly I need to simply and totally forgive her or I will not be forgiven by the LORD for my transgressions. Joel Gleason. (Sorry for the other posts-I hit enter when I was trying to backspace).

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