WARREN MCGREW (IDOL KILLER): PENAL SUBSTITUTIONARY ATONEMENT (2)

Penal Substitution's First 3 Claims - Augustinian Anthropology (youtube.com)

This is the second of a series of seven videos in which Warren McGrew and Paul Vendredi refute the doctrine of Penal Substitutionary Atonement (PSA). They attribute PSA primarily to Augustine of Hippo (AD354-430), followed by Anselm of Canterbury (AD 1033-1109), and the 16th-century Reformers.    

The first three PSA claims devised by Augustine of Hippo: Original Sin, Total Depravity, and Infant Depravity.

1. Original sin: Augustine taught a virulent version of original sin. He claimed that every individual is personally guilty of Adam's sin in the garden due to his position as the federal head of the human race. A modern version of original sin is the false doctrine of Identificational Repentance in which people identify with, and are held responsible for, the historic sins of a group they identify with e.g. family, church or nation. 

Bible verses that refute Augustine's version of original sin:

The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. (Ezekiel 18:20).

But everyone shall die for his own iniquity. Each man who eats sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge. (Jeremiah 31:30).

Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin. (Deuteronomy 24:16).

The main bible verse that allegedly supports Augustine's version of original sin is Romans 5:12:

Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come. But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. And the free gift is not like the result of that one man’s sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification. For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ. Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous. Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 5:12-21).

This passage introduces a parallel between Jesus and Adam. Adam represents all people in the garden, and Jesus represents all people on the cross. There is no evidence in this passage to suggest that all people are personally guilty of Adam's sin. Paul specifically mentions "those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam" and "many trespasses". He asserts that many were made sinners as a result of Adam's sin i.e. everyone incurred the sentence of death in Adam. Augustine did not know the original languages, and tragically, his interpretation of Romans 5:12 in his book "On Merit" is based on the Latin Vulgate which mistranslates the Greek text ἐφ ᾧ (because). The resulting error that permeated the church is Jerome's rendering "in whom all sinned" which falsely suggests that all people sinned in Adam.1 

I am unable to accept Vendredi's view that Paul "became confused" when he wrote Romans 5:12-21. (2 Timothy 3:16). Paul's epistles contain some things that are "hard to understand" and prone to distortion. (2 Peter 3:16). When faced with these difficulties, it is all the more critical that we really do understand Paul's meaning. (2 Timothy 2:15).

2. Total Depravity. The unbiblical idea of total depravity is rooted in the Augustinian concept of original sin. It is the teaching that people are born totally corrupt and cannot receive God's grace by responding to the gospel message in repentance and faith. 

Psalm 51:5 is allegedly a proof text for the false doctrine of total depravity: 

Behold I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me. (Psalm 51:5).

There is no concept of original sin in the Old Testament. David wrote this psalm following his sin with Bathsheba when Nathan the prophet confronted him and he was overcome with guilt. (2 Samuel 12-13). Augustine's idea that we are conceived in lust and born in sin is unscriptural. Those who cite this verse as a proof text that David was personally guilty of Adam's sin exceed what is written. (1 Corinthians 4:6).  If anything, this verse points to the sin of David's mother, not to David himself. There is a possible extra-biblical explanation of this verse. The Talmud refers to some issues within Jesse's family resulting in an accusation of illegitimacy concerning David. This story cannot be verified, but it explains the reason for David's apparent problematic relationship with his family. Jesse overlooked and disregarded David as a possible candidate for "the Lord's anointed", and he was denigrated by his eldest brother Eliab when he spoke against Goliath. (1 Samuel 16:11 cf. 1 Samuel 17:28-29).2  

Romans 2 refutes the idea of total depravity since "the law of God", sometimes referred to as "natural law" is imprinted on our hearts. 

For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus. (Romans 2:1,12-16). 

The only instance where people are described as totally depraved en masse is Genesis 8:21. This unique situation appears to be due to circumstances related to the Nephilim. (Genesis 8:21 cf. Genesis 6:2). There is the possibility of having one's conscience seared by devoting oneself to the demonic. (1 Timothy 4:1-2). Furthermore, God can give individuals over to a reprobate mind as an act of judgement. (Romans 1:28 cf 2 Timothy 3:8). The above scriptures confirm that under certain circumstances, God can cause individuals to become totally depraved/reprobate. Jesus Christ warned of spiritual deception and "the multiplication of wickedness" at the end of the age. (Matthew 24:2,37).

3. Infant Depravity

Vendredi sums up the false doctrine of infant depravity as follows: "Even infants, innocent of actual sin, are guilty of original sin and are therefore born totally depraved."  

Warren McGrew: "This time we hear from some of the leading Calvinist voices and their view of children. John MacArthur holds a gnostic view of sin wherein sin is a substance to be transferred and exchanged; thus he believes the greatest act of depravity is when a husband and wife become pregnant. RC Sproul takes issue with John Calvin's claim that children are as depraved as rats. In Sproul's opinion, this is far too insulting to the rat. Voddie Baucham calls an infants a "viper in a diaper". While Paul Washer claims infants are born evil, possessed of murderous intent and hating God."3  

Scriptures that refute infant depravity

Yet you are he who took me from the womb; you made me trust you at my mother’s breasts. On you was I cast from my birth, and from my mother’s womb you have been my God. (Psalm 22:9-10). 

For you, O Lord, are my hope, my trust, O LORD, from my youth. Upon you I have leaned from before my birth; you are he who took me from my mother’s womb. My praise is continually of you. (Psalm 71:5-6).

Behold, children are a heritage from the LORD, the fruit of the womb a reward. Like arrows in the hand of a warrior are the children of one’s youth. Blessed is the man who fills his quiver with them! He shall not be put to shame when he speaks with his enemies in the gate. (Psalm 127:3-5).

For You created my innermost parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb. I will give thanks to You, because I am awesomely and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well. (Psalm 139:13&14). 

But now he is dead. Why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me. (2 Samuel 12:23).

Augustine incorrectly taught that baptism was necessary for salvation regardless of age. He presupposed that infants, although not guilty of personal sin, still needed to be cleansed from original sin inherited from Adam. Augustine claimed that the sacrament of infant baptism removed the stain of original sin through "the laver of regeneration."4 Augustine introduced the concept of fides aliena (faith of others) i.e. the parents words of faith and penitence were attributed to infants during baptism.

Augustine seems to have adopted the practice of infant baptism based on Origen's defective view. Infant baptism appears to have come into favor among church leaders around AD235, although there may have been earlier instances of the practice.5 

Origen: “Every soul that is born into flesh is soiled by the filth of wickedness and sin. . . . In the Church, baptism is given for the remission of sins, and, according to the usage of the Church, baptism is given even to infants. If there were nothing in infants which required the remission of sins and nothing in them pertinent to forgiveness, the grace of baptism would seem superfluous” (Homilies on Leviticus 8:3 [A.D. 248])."

The Church received from the apostles the tradition of giving baptism even to infants. The apostles, to whom were committed the secrets of the divine sacraments, knew there are in everyone innate strains of [original] sin, which must be washed away through water and the Spirit” (Commentaries on Romans 5:9 [A.D. 248]

When Adam sinned, the human race lost an inheritance and forfeited access to the tree of life. (Genesis 3:24). As a result all humanity became subject to death (mortality) and suffered a relational separation from God. Immortality has been restored to us through the gospel of Jesus Christ, but many reject the light due to their love of darkness: And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. (John 3:19 cf. John 1:5; Genesis 4:7). 

Ellicott: "All have sinned and come short.—Strictly, all sinned; the Apostle looking back upon an act done in past time under the old legal dispensation, without immediate reference to the present: he then goes on to say that the result of that act (as distinct from the act itself) continues on into the present. The result is that mankind, in a body, as he now sees them, and before they come within the range of the new Christian system, fall short of, miss, or fail to obtain, the glory of God."6

I have no argument with McGrew and Vendredi's critique of Augustine's teachings. However, the concept of PSA, distinct from Augustine's distorted version, is present both in the scriptures and the writings of the Church Fathers. Augustine formulated a false concept of PSA based on his own presuppositions, scriptural ignorance, and errors introduced by Jerome and Origen.

To be continued..

1. Latin Vulgate New Testament Bible - Epistle of Paul to the Romans 5
2. Nitzevet, Mother of David - The bold voice of silence - Chabad.org
3. Evil & Depraved - The Reformed View of Children (youtube.com)
4. Even the Children of the Regenerate Born in Sin. The Effect of Baptism. (biblehub.com)
5. Infant Baptism — Church Fathers
6. Romans 3 Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers (biblehub.com)

WARREN MCGREW (IDOL KILLER): PENAL SUBSTITUTIONARY ATONEMENT (1)

What is Penal Substitution? Reviewing PSA's 17 Claims (youtube.com)

In the above seven-part series, Warren McGrew (Idol Killer) reviews and attempts to debunk the seventeen claims of penal substitutionary atonement (PSA). McGrew is joined by former podcaster and radio producer Paul Vendredi who identifies as Eastern Orthodox. Vendredi is very well-informed and posted seventy-seven episodes on the atonement between 2011 and 2016 on his website.1 My goal is to work through all seven episodes and hopefully present a credible challenge to some of the views outlined in this series.

Idol Killer's self-description: "Idol Killer is committed to spreading the Gospel and making disciples of Christ. We are dedicated to promoting classic orthodox Christian doctrine (pre-Augustinian) and in doing so exposing extra-Biblical corrupt philosophies and presuppositions."

McGrew is a former Calvinist, and while I congratulate him for leaving that twisted system, I have a number of issues with the above critique of PSA. Aspects of PSA were developed, or should I say distorted, by Augustine of Hippo (AD354-430), Anselm of Canterbury (AD1033-1109), and finally by the 16th-century Reformers (Charles Hodge AD1797-1878?). In all, PSA boasts seventeen claims. However, some of those claims do not align with the source material i.e. the scriptures and the Church Fathers. Having viewed a number of McGrew's videos, I agree with much of what he says about total depravity, limited atonement, original sin, and infant damnation. Some have taken PSA to ugly extremes, and the repulsive rhetoric relished by some Calvinist (Reformed) teachers is unspeakably wicked and I make no apology for calling them out. For instance, Voddie Baucham: "Babies are vipers in diapers"; James White's affirmation of infant damnation, RC Sproul: "We will be glad to see our own mother in hell"; Paul Washer: "Babies are totally depraved"; Calvin: "Babies are as depraved as rats".2  

McGrew recounted that following his abandonment of Calvinism, he questioned many things, including the doctrine of PSA and the reason that Christ came and lived, died, and suffered. (22:00 mark) Worryingly, McGrew also subscribes to Open Theism aka Dynamic Omniscience. When I finally abandoned Pentecostalism, I began to reject all things charismatic and I questioned every aspect of their teaching. While I acknowledge that there are genuine believers within the charismatic movement, it is undeniable that a very high percentage of their teachers are dishonest and engage in fakery and lies as recently demonstrated by the exposures of Mike Bickle and Benny Hinn. I wonder whether McGrew has had a similar reaction following his departure from the Reformed camp?  If so, has his aversion to Calvinism gone too far and caused him to reject some core doctrines of the faith? 

 

PSA is ingrained within the Western Church and is regarded as a given. According to Mike Winger, to question PSA is to question the very foundation of Christianity itself: "(Penal substitutionary atonement) is the very meaning of the cross. It's how Jesus saves us.. It's a huge deal, it's the heart of Christianity."3 

Winger's definition of PSA: "The doctrine of penal substitution states that God gave Himself in the Person of His Son to suffer instead of us the death punishment and curse due to fallen humanity as the penalty for our sin."3 

Vendredi begins by defining two terms:     

atonement is reparation for a wrong or an injury.

propitiation is to take someone who is not well disposed toward you and make them well disposed towards you by means of atonement. 

While the above definitions are compatible with lexical definitions, the problem arises because Eastern Christianity does not view the death of Christ as an atonement, although confusingly it is referred to as such. Various non-western schools of thought refer to Christ's death in terms of restoration, cooperation (synergism), and "the restored icon model" which Vendredi goes on to explain. Essentially different groups use the same vocabulary but have a totally different understanding of the terms. The key to solving this dilemma is to understand what the scriptures mean by atonement and propitiation, and also how the Church Fathers understood the terms. The two occurrences of propitiation (ἱλασμός) in the New Testament are defined in Strong's Concordance as "a propitiation (of an angry god), atoning sacrifice. (1 John 2:2; 1 John 4:10).. 2434 hilasmós – properly, propitiation; an offering to appease (satisfy) an angry, offended party. 2434 (hilasmós) is only used twice (1 Jn 2:2, 4:10) – both times of Christ's atoning blood that appeases God's wrath, on all confessed sin. By the sacrifice of Himself, Jesus Christ provided the ultimate 2434 /hilasmós ('propitiation')."4  Two occurrences of propitiary (ἱλαστήριον) are found in Romans 3:25 and Hebrews 9:5: "(a) a sin offering, by which the wrath of the deity shall be appeased; a means of propitiation, (b) the covering of the ark, which was sprinkled with the atoning blood on the Day of Atonement."5  

Among those who oppose PSA are Brian Zahnd and Steve Chalke, both of whom I regard as false teachers and do not intend to critique here. McGrew and Vendredi's challenge is based on the study of PSA based on their interpretation of the scriptures and the Church Fathers.    

The view espoused by Vendredi (and presumably Mcgrew?) is Christus Victor (Latin for“Christ the Conqueror”). Briefly defined: God conquers evil and liberates humanity from the bondage of sin, death and the devil. Theopedia: "Christus Victor is a motif of divine rescue and liberation from the bondage of sin, death and the devil."6  

The term "Christus Victor" is taken from a groundbreaking book published by Lutheran theologian Gustaf Aulén in 1931. Rather than understanding the scriptures and the writings of the Church Fathers as a unified whole, Aulén deconstructed various aspects of the atonement of Christ into three primary interpretations in Christian history: Christus Victor, Satisfaction and Moral Influence. Aulén claimed that the Christus Victor model is the "classic idea of the atonement" articulated by the Church Fathers and the scriptures. The resulting disputations regarding the theology of the atonement rest primarily on Aulén's hypothesis. Aulén's critics describe his book as highly selective and unrepresentative of the source materials. Aulén's failure to appreciate the complimentary aspects of the crucifixion has resulted in the accusation that he created a false dichotomy with his either/or approach to the atonement.

Rekindle: "..his (Aulén's) handling of the Bible leaves much to be desired. It is selective to a fault, often overlooking key details that would broaden the atonement to include penal substitution (PSA). On the other hand, some of those passages that Aulén regularly cites make no mention of the devil (Romans 3; 1 Corinthians 15; 2 Corinthians 5). For example, Aulén appeals at length to 2 Corinthians 5, but he omits any reference to 5:21, “For our sake [God] made [Christ] to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God”.7 

The Church Fathers

Epistle to Diognetus (? AD130): He Himself took on Him the burden of our iniquities, He gave His own Son as a ransom for us, the holy One for transgressors, the blameless One for the wicked, the righteous One for the unrighteous, the incorruptible One for the corruptible, the immortal One for those who are mortal. For what other thing was capable of covering our sins than His righteousness? By what other one was it possible that we, the wicked and ungodly, could be justified, than by the only Son of God? O sweet exchange! O unsearchable operation! O benefits surpassing all expectation! That the wickedness of many should be hid in a single righteous One, and that the righteousness of One should justify many transgressors! (Epistle to Diognetus, 9.2–5).8 

Justin Martyr (AD150-165): "For the whole human race will be found to be under a curse. For it is written in the law of Moses. Cursed is every one that continues not in all things that are written in the book of the law to do them.' Deuteronomy 27:26 And no one has accurately done all, nor will you venture to deny this; but some more and some less than others have observed the ordinances enjoined. But if those who are under this law appear to be under a curse for not having observed all the requirements, how much more shall all the nations appear to be under a curse who practise idolatry, who seduce youths, and commit other crimes? If, then, the Father of all wished His Christ for the whole human family to take upon Him the curses of all, knowing that, after He had been crucified and was dead, He would raise Him up, why do you argue about Him, who submitted to suffer these things according to the Father's will, as if He were accursed, and do not rather bewail yourselves? For although His Father caused Him to suffer these things in behalf of the human family, yet you did not commit the deed as in obedience to the will of God." {Dialogue with Trypho Chapter 95}9  

Athanasius (AD300-375): "Thus, taking a body like our own, because all our bodies were liable to the corruption of death, He surrendered His body to death instead of all, and offered it to the Father. This He did out of sheer love for us, so that in His death all might die, and the law of death thereby be abolished because, having fulfilled in His body that for which it was appointed, it was thereafter voided of its power for men. This He did that He might turn again to incorruption men who had turned back to corruption, and make them alive through death by the appropriation of His body and by the grace of His resurrection. Thus He would make death to disappear from them as utterly as straw from fire.." (chapter 2)

He assumed a body capable of death, in order that it, through belonging to the Word Who is above all, might become in dying a sufficient exchange for all.. (chapter 2)
But beyond all this, there was a debt owing which must needs be paid; for, as I said before, all men were due to die. Here, then, is the second reason why the Word dwelt among us, namely that having proved His Godhead by His works, He might offer the sacrifice on behalf of all, surrendering His own temple to death in place of all, to settle man's account with death and free him from the primal transgression.. He died to ransom all... (chapter 4)10 

Gregory of Nazainzus (AD329-390): "For that which He has not assumed He has not healed; but that which is united to His Godhead is also saved." {Letters division 1)11 Vendredi links this sentence to what he refers to as "The Restored Icon Model" based Genesis 1:26 and The Wisdom of Solomon 2:23-24 in the Septuagint. This view affirms that man is an icon of God that has become damaged. To repair this damage, God Himself assumes human flesh, uniting the entirety of human nature to his divinity. The Greek word in question is εἰκών (eikón): an image, i.e. lit. statue, fig. representation.12 While I have no argument with this model as far as it goes, Gregory of Nazianzus had more to say about the atonement:  

"..as for my sake He was called a curse, Who destroyed my curse; and sin, who takes away the sin of the world; and became a new Adam to take the place of the old, just so He makes my disobedience His own as Head of the whole body. As long then as I am disobedient and rebellious, both by denial of God and by my passions, so long Christ also is called disobedient on my account. {Fourth Theological Oration (Oration 30)}13 

John Chrysostom (AD347-407): And what does He entreat? Be reconciled unto God. And he said not, 'Reconcile God to yourselves;' for it is not He that bears enmity, but you; for God never bears enmity. Urging moreover his cause, like an ambassador on his mission, he says, For Him who knew no sin He made to be sin on our account.
'I say nothing of what has gone before, that you have outraged Him, Him that had done you no wrong, Him that had done you good, that He exacted not justice, that He is first to beseech, though first outraged; let none of these things be set down at present. Ought ye not in justice to be reconciled for this one thing only that He has done to you now?' And what has He done? Him that knew no sin He made to be sin, for you. For had He achieved nothing but done only this, think how great a thing it were to give His Son for those that had outraged Him. But now He has both well achieved mighty things, and besides, has suffered Him that did no wrong to be punished for those who had done wrong. But he did not say this: but mentioned that which is far greater than this. What then is this? Him that knew no sin, he says, Him that was righteousness itself, He made sin, that is suffered as a sinner to be condemned, as one cursed to die. For cursed is he that hangs on a tree. Galatians 3:13 For to die thus was far greater than to die; and this he also elsewhere implying, says, Becoming obedient unto death, yea the death of the cross. Philippians 2:8 For this thing carried with it not only punishment, but also disgrace. Reflect therefore how great things He bestowed on you. For a great thing indeed it were for even a sinner to die for any one whatever; but when He who undergoes this both is righteous and dies for sinners; and not dies only, but even as one cursed; and not as cursed [dies] only, but thereby freely bestows upon us those great goods which we never looked for; (for he says, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him;) {Homily 11 on Second Corinthians}14 

In a separate video on Idol Killer, Vendredi latches onto John Chrysostom's claim that God never bears enmity as a sure-fire refutation of PSA.15  However, John Chrysostom continues to describe how the Corinthians first outraged God. I stand to be corrected, but I understand John Chrysostom to be saying that Paul is speaking into their repentant attitude following the problematic situation in 1 Corinthians 5:1-12 cf. 2 Corinthians 2:5-11. Alternatively, he may have been referring to their previous unbelieving state? One synonym for outrage is wrath. God's enmity towards them has subsided. In other words, God never continues to bear enmity (wrath) following repentance. 

Vendredi refers to John Chrysostom as a "blabbermouth" due to his voluminous writings. He continues: "I actually don't think that John Chrysostom's exegesis of 2 Corinthians 5:21 is all that bright." John Chrysostom's writings are wordy, voluminous and difficult to follow. Nevertheless, he does use unmistakable PSA language in this section of his writings. 

I could quote more of the Church Fathers, but the above selection demonstrates that their writings contain elements of Christ's substitutionary death using penal language. While they had no systemized formula for the atonement, their focus was multifaceted. Anyone can quote fragments of the Church Fathers selectively to suit their own interpretation, but it is vital to take account of the overall picture of their writings, and as far as I can discern, elements of PSA is very much part of that picture.  

To be continued.....

1. Paul Vendredi : The God that Answereth by Fire, Let Him Be God
2. Evil & Depraved - The Reformed View of Children (youtube.com)
3.The Real History of Penal Substitutionary Atonement (youtube.com)
4. Strong's Greek: 2434. ἱλασμός (hilasmos) -- propitiation (biblehub.com)
5. Strong's Greek: 2435. ἱλαστήριον (hilastérion) -- propitiatory (biblehub.com)
6. Gustaf Aulen | Theopedia
7. A Broad Critique of Christus Victor | Rekindle
8. CHURCH FATHERS: Epistle to Diognetus (Mathetes) (newadvent.org)
9. CHURCH FATHERS: Dialogue with Trypho, Chapters 89-108 (Justin Martyr) (newadvent.org)
10. Chapter 2: The Divine Dilemma and Its Solution in the Incarnation by Athanasius (blueletterbible.org)
11. CHURCH FATHERS: Letters, Division I (Gregory Nazianzen) (newadvent.org)
12. Strong's Greek: 1504. εἰκών (eikón) -- an image, i.e. lit. statue, fig. representation (biblehub.com)
13. CHURCH FATHERS: Fourth Theological Oration (Oration 30) (Gregory Nazianzen) (newadvent.org)
14. CHURCH FATHERS: Homily 11 on Second Corinthians (Chrysostom) (newadvent.org)
15. John Chrysostom & PSA - Answering Mike Winger E4 (youtube.com)

BENNY HINN: THE "WE PROPHESY IN PART" EXCUSE

Benny Hinn Speaks Out - EXCLUSIVE (youtube.com)

Above: Benny Hinn's interview with Steven Strang on the Strang Report: 

After fifty years of spiritual deception and abuse Hinn says that he has regrets.

Even in his "repentance" Hinn makes excuses and continues to teach false doctrine. 

Hinn: "I am a human being, I have made mistakes.. we all make mistakes. The two things I regret in ministry, I was not too wise a number of times with prophecy. Number one, I had guests come to other crusades that I think brought harm to not only people's lives, but also to my reputation because their prophesies were not really prophecy. They went outside the borders of redemption..  and then there were times when I thought that God had showed me something that he wasn't showing me and I spoke it out. But in 1 Corinthians 13 we see very clearly that we all prophesy in part. That means we don't see the full picture.. sadly there were some prophesies I gave that were not accurate or from the Lord.. For that of course I ask people to forgive me. I'm just human uh and made mistakes like that and I'll probably make him again I suppose down the road cuz I'm not perfect.. And then the other one is prosperity.. I was invited to go to praise-a-thons and I think that's when my troubles began.. I came to the conclusion in 2019 that I did not want to be part of the gimmickry of it.. but sadly I let pressure get to me.."      

Hinn's blame-shifting regarding his guests and his involvement in "praise-a-thons" is not credible. As a serial deceiver, Hinn is quite capable of being a false prophet all by himself without the help of other charlatans. (Romans 14:12). 

The "we prophesy in part" excuse

A common objection of false prophets is that "we prophesy in part".

Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known. (1 Corinthians 13:8-12).

In context, the partial is contrasted to the perfect (complete) in 1 Corinthians 13.1 The perfect brings an end to the partial i.e. the partial or incomplete gives way to the perfect. Does Paul mean to tell us that since we have not entered into the perfect at the present time that prophesies may be inaccurate? If that is correct, then why does he make a distinction between true and false prophets, why does he give such dire warnings about false teachers/prophets, and why does he condemn false prophets?  Why did he commend the Bereans for testing his words against the scriptures? (Acts 17:11 cf. Acts 20:27); and why are we admonished to test the spirits? (1 John 4:1). Biblically there is no latitude given to prophets regarding accuracy. (Jeremiah 23:16; Ezekiel 13:1-23).

 

I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them. Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to admonish every one with tears.. (Acts 20:29-31 cf. Matthew 7:15,24:11; 2 Peter 2:1; Jude 1:3-16).

Michael Brown's suggestion for Hinn to spend time with Mike Winger is based on the false premise that Hinn is an authentic Christian and not a wolf. Brown: "..lets clean house.. Why not spend a day with Mike Winger.. Spend a day together and say 'OK, I want you to know I want you to be able to talk to me plainly and raise your issues and questions' and just off the record the two of them behind the scenes 'I want to share my heart with you and I want you to understand who I am' and then whatever comes out of it comes out of it, but this is what we have to do, we have to have the private conversations and then we have to demonstrate public fruits of repentance.." 2 

Believers are commanded to mark and avoid false teachers. (Romans 16:17). 

When I see Hinn close down his so-called "ministry" and give his ill-gotten gains to the poor I will accept his repentance as credible!    

1. Strong's Greek: 5046. τέλειος (teleios) -- having reached its end, i.e. complete, by ext. perfect (biblehub.com)
2. Accountability, Repentance and Legacy: Dr. Michael Brown Discusses Pastor Benny Hinn @LFTV (youtube.com)

LEE BRAINARD DEMOLISHING THE PREWRATH RAPTURE - NOT!

 (348) Demolishing The Prewrath Rapture - YouTube

Lee Brainard: "Many folks today are rejecting the pretrib rapture and flocking to the prewrath rapture. The main argument for the prewrath rapture claims that the wrath of God and the tribulation are not the same, but rather that the wrath of God arrives during the tribulation, being heralded with the opening of the sixth seal and arriving with the first trumpet. Is this theory correct?"

The reason Lee Brainard keeps banging on about the pretribulation rapture is that his favourite false doctrine is failing and discerning Christians are rejecting it. (1 John 4:1). The pretrib rapture theory has troubled the church since the mid-19th century, and it presents a considerable threat to believers, especially those who will be alive during the 70th week of Daniel. There is no evidence that the early Fathers taught pretribulationism despite Brainard's best efforts to prove otherwise.1 I find increasingly that there is little to choose between NAR false prophets and pretrib "prophecy experts" who speculate and fail to rightly divide the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15). The pretrib camp are not doing the church any favours with their continual misapplication of Old Testament prophecies such as Psalm 83, Isaiah 17, Ezekiel 38 and Jeremiah 49. Although believers are instructed to "keep watch" (Matthew 24:42), some are cashing in on the current world situation by promoting questionable theories about end-time events. The speculators would not take such delight in anticipating the day of the Lord if they knew they would face the Antichrist! (Amos 5:18). False prophets make great boasts and wonderful promises, but ultimately their words lead to false hope and tragedy! (Jeremiah 23:16).     

Defining "the day of the Lord" in the scriptures.  

To clarify the prewrath position: The rapture and the day of the Lord are back-to-back events i.e. the day of the Lord begins on the same day as the rapture after the sixth seal is broken. Brainard's skewed perception of the prewrath view of "the day of the Lord" is incorrect. He claims, it is wrong to view the day of the Lord as "a static chunk of time" separated from the first five seals. Brainard: "It doesn't start small and get big it starts full-blown wrath and it ends full blown wrath." The day of the Lord is distinguished from the previous 70th-week catastrophes during the first four seals (i.e. war famine and death). After the seventh seal is broken there is a pause (Revelation 8:1), and God begins to pour out His wrath directly from heaven via the seven angels' trumpet and bowl judgements. There is a progression as each trumpet judgement unfolds. (Revelation 8:6-13; 9:1-20, 16:1-20).    

Brainard: "Okay we got a three-and-a-half-year tribulation and immediately at the end of that tribulation these signs in the heavens happen. If they happen after the tribulation, they can't happen during the tribulation. They're going to happen at the second coming. there's zero room here to squeeze in one day much less 6 months or a year. This tribulation comes to an end, the Lord descends from Heaven he takes the Antichrist the false prophet throws those foul beings into the Lake of Fire.. " (29:00 mark)

If we accept Brainard's pretrib view, it is impossible to reconcile Matthew 24:29 and Revelation 6:12-17. Furthermore, Brainard fails to take into account that the tribulation will be cut short. (Matthew 24:21-22). We must therefore conclude that the great tribulation ends immediately before, or coincides with, the sixth seal cosmic disturbances if we are to harmonize the scriptures. (2 Timothy 2:15).

Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. (Matthew 24:29).

When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slaved and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?” (Revelation 6:12-17).

For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. (Matthew 24:21-22).

The biblical pattern

The symbolism of the plagues of Egypt foreshadows "the day of the Lord". The day of the Lord is not a literal 24-hour day, it will be a period of unknown duration, lasting at least five months. (Revelation 9:5,10), when the Lord will bring ultimate judgement upon the world.

Alan Kurschner: "There is a biblical pattern where God supernaturally rescues his people just before he executes divine judgment upon the wicked. For example, this is memorably portrayed in the story of God’s plagues against Egypt, culminating in the deliverance of Israel from the hands of Pharaoh’s army that was ultimately destroyed in the Red Sea.. The day of the Lord is not a mere literal twenty-four day. It is the unified complex-whole of events starting with deliverance of the saints and followed by an undetermined period of judgment.2  

The locust plague in Joel 1:1-15 is viewed by the prophet as prefiguring the far worse calamity i.e. the day of the Lord. 

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown:"5. day of the Lord—(Joe 2:1, 11); that is, the day of His anger (Isa 13:9; Ob 15; Zep 1:7, 15). It will be a foretaste of the coming day of the Lord as Judge of all men, whence it receives the same name. Here the transition begins from the plague of locusts to the worse calamities (Joe 2:1-11) from invading armies about to come on Judea, of which the locusts were the prelude."3  

Who are the 24 elders?

Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and seated on the thrones were twenty-four elders, clothed in white garments, with golden crowns on their heads. (Revelation 4:4).

Brainard's attempt to place the rapture before the opening of the first seal and his argument that the twenty-four elders are representative of the church is based on a single verse of scripture. However, there is no mention of "a great multitude" in Revelation 4 and 5, whereas "a great multitude" (the redeemed) appears in Revelation 7. 

After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands.. Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?” I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. (Revelation 7:9,13-14).

Revelation 5:8-11 and different interpretations

And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying,“Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation, and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth.” (Revelation 5:8-11). 

The KJV differs from the majority of versions bible versions: ..And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. 

Alan Kurschner argues for the third person as the correct interpretation of the ransomed, as against the first person in Revelation 5: 8-11. Instead of "made us a kingdom" and "we shall reign on the earth", according to Kurschner, the best and oldest manuscripts use the third person "them" and "they".4  If this interpretation is correct, the twenty-four elders are not included in the ransomed people of God. 

Kurschner's argument is confirmed by various commentaries:

Pulpit Commentary: "And didst redeem unto God by thy blood out of every kindred, etc. Though the reading 'us' is supported by various manuscripts, and similarly the first person is used in ver. 10. yet, on the whole, it seems better to omit it, the phrase being taken in a partitve sense - 'Thou didst redeem unto God by thy blood some out of every kindred, etc., and hast made them, etc., and they shall reign.'"5

Cambridge Bible: "us] Should be omitted. The elders probably represent the whole multitude of the redeemed, but they are not here said to belong to their number, and the living creatures certainly do not. The true reading is, 'Thou wast slain, and hast purchased to God by Thy Blood out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nations, and hast made them unto our God a kingdom and priests, and they [shall] reign upon the earth.'”5   

Brainard's argument that the twenty-four elders represent the church fails on a number of levels. As demonstrated above, the majority of bible versions differentiate between the twenty-four elders and the church. Furthermore the KJV describes the four living creatures as "redeemed". However, the four living creatures are angelic beings who are not part of the redeemed church. 

And when I saw the Lamb open the sixth seal, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black like sackcloth of goat hair, and the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind. The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place. Then the kings of the earth, the nobles, the commanders, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and free man hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. And they said to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?” (Revelation 6:12-17).

Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, we ask you, brothers, not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has already come. Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4).

     

1. WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: Lee Brainard (bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com)
2. The Day of the Lord Begins with the Rapture | ESCHATOS MINISTRIES (alankurschner.com)
3. Joel 1 Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary (biblehub.com)
4. Twenty Four Elders Archives | ESCHATOS MINISTRIES (alankurschner.com)
5. Revelation 5:9 Commentaries: And they sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. (biblehub.com)