tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post3385572955625335862..comments2024-03-26T05:23:11.280-07:00Comments on WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: The Male-Dominated Pretrib RaptureĀ by Dave MacPhersonTreena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-47555264111974271972017-02-13T04:39:46.163-08:002017-02-13T04:39:46.163-08:00The PTRC, the Berean Call and the PWMI are at leas...The PTRC, the Berean Call and the PWMI are at least as dishonest, if not more dishonest than Darby in their promotion of pre-trib. It really is appalling that these false teachers are putting a stumbling block in the way of so many believers.<br /><br />"..the prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule at their direction; my people love to have it so, but what will you do when the end comes?" Jeremiah 5:31<br /> <br />"So then each of us will give an account of himself to God." Romans 14:12<br /><br />God bless Treena Gisbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-82985562678285929372017-02-12T04:01:38.321-08:002017-02-12T04:01:38.321-08:00When we say "The timing of the rapture is a c...When we say "The timing of the rapture is a critical subject", I think we mean that having the knowledge of the exact split second moment it happens is not so much of paramount importance as knowing and believing that this event CANNOT possibly ever happen before the great tribulation? Let alone seven years or more before the Second Advent of Christ!<br /><br />Not only does MacPherson's material prove Darby was dishonest, but Ice and Company have been passed the baton from him! Are they even more dishonest in their attempts at re-writing history?<br />God bless.colinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07132820921599851331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-32719188487051175092017-02-11T01:07:52.762-08:002017-02-11T01:07:52.762-08:00I agree Colin. The timing of the rapture is a crit...I agree Colin. The timing of the rapture is a critical subject, since (in my view) it is connected with the "falling away" of Matthew 24:10.<br />I think Dave MacPherson's material does prove that Darby was dishonest in that he had no original ideas of his own, but rather he stole them from the Irvingites, Margaret MacDonald being the catalyst as you say.<br />The pre-trib theory has its roots in spiritual deception which continues to this day, mostly due to the pseudo scholarship of Thomas Ice and his associates. <br />God bless Treena Gisbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-24614946633850097612017-02-10T18:08:30.343-08:002017-02-10T18:08:30.343-08:00Further to my last post, I should have clarified t...Further to my last post, I should have clarified that the Open Brethren leaders didn't dwell upon the Margaret MacDonald/Irving incident-they practically, to all intents and purposes ignored the wee Scottish lassie, relying solely upon Gods's word for their direction.<br /><br />I am sure that the MacDonald/Irving episode was the catalyst wherewith Darby became energized, and MacPherson's analysis is commendable, but to some that are anchored in God's word, it becomes something of a sideshow, as interesting as it may be. <br /><br />Some errantly think that the timing of the Lord's Second Advent is "not a salvation issue". To be deceived by such gross deception is to plainly deny God's written word. Daniel 8.25 shines much light upon this; the prophet is telling us in no uncertain terms that the beast "shall destroy many". The beast/Satan WILL "stand up against the Prince of princes.." No doubt Satan will destroy many through plain injunctions such as Hosea 4.6; "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge"? <br /><br />God bless.colinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07132820921599851331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-8921928557930374972017-02-10T07:18:37.829-08:002017-02-10T07:18:37.829-08:00This was before the suffragette movement, but anyw...This was before the suffragette movement, but anyway! (How things have deteriorated since?)<br /><br />However could Margaret MacDonald, J.N.Darby, and any one else for that matter, at THE time the pre-trib rapture WAS born, have known that this novel doctrine would not only grow to re-shape the world-wide Christian eschatological landscape, but would also bring a great many unbelievers into the dramatic Hollywood RAPTURE movie-world scene?<br /><br />I believe that Darby WAS genuinely deceived by this new doctrine, indeed, as it is borne out by his writings, the erroneous pre-trib rapture became a convenient theory for him to separate Israel from the New Testament Church. Having said this, any good theologian could have (and many did) reminded Darby & Co that Gentiles/heathen/strangers/Egyptians, call them what you will, were always saved even in the dim and distant Old Testament past by God's grace, alone; Exodus 12.48, Numbers 9.14 etc. They were all part of God's called out people from Adam to the great white throne, the ONE true Church of the ages.<br /><br />Darby became very enthusiastic in his endeavours to promote this new theory, and MacPherson's account of things are very interesting, and I believe there is much truth in them, but nevertheless, the Open Brethren leaders, Newton and Muller didn't make much of it, as they knew the pre-trib rapture was unbiblical. Muller put it best when he said;<br /><br />"...I came to see I must part company with John Darby, or my precious Bible, and I chose to cling to my Bible and part from Mr Darby."<br /><br />If only pre-trib believers today would heed Muller's words?<br /><br />God bless.<br />colinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07132820921599851331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-76617006582019516122017-02-09T08:39:38.861-08:002017-02-09T08:39:38.861-08:00Yes indeed Irv. This information is very helpful.
...Yes indeed Irv. This information is very helpful.<br />God blessTreena Gisbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-8005687275253999132017-02-09T07:46:44.607-08:002017-02-09T07:46:44.607-08:00Treena, how any person on earth, with an ounce of ...Treena, how any person on earth, with an ounce of intelligence, can continue to support or defend the Johnny-come-lately pretribulation rapture nonsense is an utter mystery to me. Teachers of such unbiblical garbage should be rounded up and imprisoned on a desert island somewhere!Irvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07634792243846422285noreply@blogger.com