tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post4535493144136895861..comments2024-03-26T05:23:11.280-07:00Comments on WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: JACOB PRASCH & DAVID NOAKES MORIEL CONFERENCE 2018! ECUMENISM BY STEALTH? Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-39891250496569371282019-08-27T18:48:26.545-07:002019-08-27T18:48:26.545-07:00Unknown, the “restrainer” is the antichrist. If yo...Unknown, the “restrainer” is the antichrist. If you use a Westcott & Hort translation, it will be impossible to understand this fact. Read 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 in a KJV to understand.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06823046648525297422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-41148725281533093812019-07-27T15:36:17.665-07:002019-07-27T15:36:17.665-07:00I don't know who the restrainer is, the holy g...I don't know who the restrainer is, the holy ghost or the church but I do know that in revelation start at chapter 7:9-17 that was saved during the GREAT tribulation.A great multitude no man could number.also it says that they washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb they could not have saved themselves folksAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01075640304341374477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-90748746053213814972018-12-22T01:50:35.595-08:002018-12-22T01:50:35.595-08:00Further Evidence that the Sisterhood of Mary are e...Further Evidence that the Sisterhood of Mary are ecumenical:<br /><br />God is Always Greater (Ecumenical Sisterhood of Mary Darmstadt, 2)<br />Schlink, Mother Basilea<br />https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=9049362913&searchurl=sortby%3D20%26an%3Dmother%2Bbasilea%2Bschlink&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title5<br /><br />Book Review by IAGS: Mothering the Fatherland: A Protestant Sisterhood Repents for the Holocaust<br />"The immediate impetus for the formation of the Ecumenical Sisters of Mary, as the group was called.."<br />https://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.co.uk/&httpsredir=1&article=1394&context=gsp<br /><br />Basilea Schlink was a sister of Professor Edmund Schlink (3 March 1903 – 20 May 1984) who was a leading German Lutheran theologian in the modern ecumenical movement, especially in the World Council of Churches.<br /><br />"Schlink (1903-1984) published an ecumenical systematic theology (Őkumenische Dogmatik, Schlink 1983a) shortly before his death, which remains probably the only work of its kind until today.. In the book, forewords by the Roman Catholic Heinrich Fries and the Orthodox Nikos Nissiotis also welcome and praise the book in glowing terms." http://www.scielo.org.za/pdf/vee/v29n2/09.pdf Treena Gisbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-58598907687913594272018-12-21T11:41:28.672-08:002018-12-21T11:41:28.672-08:00Wikipedia was the only source I could find Amos. I...Wikipedia was the only source I could find Amos. I believe that it is a correct evaluation of the "Sisters".<br />I have not stooped so low as to pull a stunt like John Cambridge! <br />Please do not comment here again Amos Farrell - anything you write will not be published.Treena Gisbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-5634392820106552562018-12-21T11:16:57.969-08:002018-12-21T11:16:57.969-08:00Treena your hate for Jacob is an amazing thing to ...Treena your hate for Jacob is an amazing thing to behold, you even attack anyone in ministry associated with him. This whole article starts with your comment "David Noakes is involved with the ecumenical pro-Israel monastic order, the Sisterhood of Mary! There is very little specific information about the Sisterhood's precise beliefs on their website. However, Wikpedia gives the following information: "The Evangelical Sisterhood of Mary is an ecumenical, Lutheran based, religious order." {3} The ecumenical movement is the enemy of Jesus Christ! Israel does not need ecumenism, it needs the true gospel!" THERE IS VERY LITTLE SPECIFIC INFORMATION, so you keep writing nonsense anyway and quote from the encyclopedia of make it up as you go along Wikipedia, how reliable nd trustworthy is that to base a report or argument. 1 out of 10 must try harder next term.<br /> Amoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18050932958909280194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-17408698487111023782018-10-31T09:27:38.484-07:002018-10-31T09:27:38.484-07:00Heads are popping up out of the rabbit holes all o...Heads are popping up out of the rabbit holes all over the place<br /><br />The video's of this are online.past partnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10158578601833758805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-39657957537184553872018-10-30T10:32:31.529-07:002018-10-30T10:32:31.529-07:00I was very disappointed in Jack Hibbs when he deci...I was very disappointed in Jack Hibbs when he decided to stand with the pre-trib deceivers Ben, but I didn't know anything about this! It seems like they are all being exposed recently. God bless. Treena Gisbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-17619304246470734462018-10-30T10:06:40.025-07:002018-10-30T10:06:40.025-07:00Its also Interesting Jacob Prasch also promotes pa...Its also Interesting Jacob Prasch also promotes pastor Jack Hibbs Calvary Chapel <br /><br />Jack brings in Word Of Faith teacher/speaker David Barton - Oral Roberts University Graduate and is great friends with Kenneth Copeland<br /><br />Jack also had Jerry Boykin - Knights of Malta into his church to speak on March 2-4 2012<br /><br />Both Jerry and David appear as speaker guests on Kenneth Copelands BVOV T.V. broadcast Bennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-4501103901482754732018-10-14T05:26:20.975-07:002018-10-14T05:26:20.975-07:00Thank you -- it gets more and more interesting dow...Thank you -- it gets more and more interesting down this particular rabbit hole Anonymous. I will add it to the main body of the post. God bless you.Treena Gisbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-86745210347589143342018-10-14T05:04:25.353-07:002018-10-14T05:04:25.353-07:00Don't think my comment got through. David Noa...Don't think my comment got through. David Noakes who is connected to Clifford Hill and therefore to Issachar Ministries is also connected through Lynda Stalley to Maranatha Ministries which was formed in 1981 by a Methodist lay preacher and RC priest for the express purposes of UNITY! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-24276418875389971452018-10-10T05:54:08.684-07:002018-10-10T05:54:08.684-07:00JACOB PRASCH MORIEL MINISTRIES: THE GAGGING OF THE...JACOB PRASCH MORIEL MINISTRIES: THE GAGGING OF THE SISTERS! <br /><br />We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ..... (2 Corinthians 10:5)<br /><br />As before, I shall quote Jacob Prasch verbatim in order to avoid any accusation of quoting him out of context.<br /><br />Jacob Prasch: "Did God use Deborah to bring victory to Israel? Yes, He did. But her head was covered by Barak....." https://www.moriel.org/component/k2/item/1822-daughters-of-zion.html<br /><br />"Hebrews 11:32 names four judges, it does not name Deborah. The judge that was named in the New Testament was Barak." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHAiwIE5EVI<br /><br />"Women must have their head covered.... Can God use women without their head covered? No - things are going to go wrong. The serpent beguiled the woman and the serpent still beguiles the woman." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP6x2hhAzEI<br /><br />Things are not quite so clear cut as Jacob Prasch would have us believe. An unbalanced and distorted view of the scriptures is always very dangerous as I am sure he well knows. Pat Roberts aptly points out: "Too many heads, too many coverings, the murky teachings of Jacob Prasch." {1} <br /><br />Was Deborah's head "covered" by Barak?<br /><br />The Canaanites were defeated under the prophetic leadership of Deborah and the military leadership of Barak.. but make no mistake about it, Deborah was calling the shots. Deborah summoned Barak, the son of Abinoam, from his home at Kedesh in Naphtali, and ordered him, in the name of Yahweh, to take ten thousand men to Mount Tabor. He agreed, on condition that Deborah accompanied him (Judges 4:4-10).<br /><br />Deborah was judging Israel in her own right without any reference to a man.. the people of Israel came up to her for judgement (Judges 4:4-5). Barak was the next judge of Israel AFTER Deborah and he preceded Gideon. The scriptures make very clear that Barak would not get the honour for the victory over the Canaanites led by Sisera: .....the honor will not be yours, for the LORD will deliver Sisera into the hands of a woman." (Judges 4:9). In fact the honour did not go to Deborah either, it went to Jael (Judges 5:24). <br /><br />A few examples of judges, prophets and kings are given in Hebrews 11:32, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets— but we should not read more into this than we ought to. It is true that Barak achieved the military victory over the Canaanites, but this was before he actually became judge, and it was under the prophetic ministry of Deborah. However unpalatable JP finds it, Deborah was acting directly under God without a human male "covering". Technically of course Deborah's "head" should have been her husband and not Barak. It is very interesting that Deborah's role as "a prophetess" takes priority over her role as a wife!<br /><br />Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. (Judges 4:4)<br /><br />Deborah may have been an exception to the rule, but nevertheless, there she is, as large as life acting without a male "covering". How very inconvenient!<br /><br />Examples of "prophetess" as an identifier ahead of familial connections:<br /><br />Isaiah referred to his wife as "the prophetess": And I went to the prophetess, and she conceived and bore a son. Then the LORD said to me, “Call his name Maher-shalal-hash-baz; (Isaiah 8:3)<br /><br />Read more on the following link: https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2016/07/jacob-prasch-moriel-ministries-gagging.htmlTreena Gisbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-48274451816160171772018-10-10T05:38:54.021-07:002018-10-10T05:38:54.021-07:00Hi Anonymous. I am not married actually and I do n...Hi Anonymous. I am not married actually and I do not come under the "authority" of any man apart from Jesus Christ. I do not presume to teach men, but rather to inform and to use my spiritual gifts in the way I feel called to do. It is a sun hat - not a head covering. It sounds like you have come straight out of the "shepherding movement" or some other cultish organisation. I do believe I am perfectly free scripturally to express my concerns - although there are many false teachers who would love to shut me up. You would not be the first one to try. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2016/07/jacob-prasch-moriel-ministries-gagging.htmlTreena Gisbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-35392828493226984672018-10-10T05:28:12.855-07:002018-10-10T05:28:12.855-07:00Treena, I understand your concerns, and it may be ...Treena, I understand your concerns, and it may be Prasch and none of the ecumenical men/woman mentioned will be found in heaven. It is only fair to ask though, how the NT upholds you as a woman teaching and warning men, since no male covering is mentioned here or on your website? <br />I see you wear a head covering - does that depict a sign of obedience under to a male leader - eg, as a wife, daughter, or even a single woman under a church elder? a Priscilla under an Aquilla? <br /><br />The man's name should be public, (eg) as Philip was shown/named as the father & head of the prophesying virgin daughters in Acts. It is a fact, as Paul pointed out that it was Eve that was first deceived and why teachers/leaders of men should be male; all the Bible's books were written through men, of course. (unlikely my comment will be printed...?!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-74630476875201106592018-10-09T13:58:48.069-07:002018-10-09T13:58:48.069-07:00A very interesting discussion on Bill Randle's...A very interesting discussion on Bill Randle's blog:<br />https://billrandles.wordpress.com/2018/09/18/iron-sharpening-iron-david-n-and-jacob-p/Treena Gisbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-5559856102500830382018-09-10T12:24:56.336-07:002018-09-10T12:24:56.336-07:00Yes I was referring to Nathan. I’m terrible rememb...Yes I was referring to Nathan. I’m terrible remembering names. Monopodehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10577151700144464122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-3939272898413879232018-09-07T18:16:46.981-07:002018-09-07T18:16:46.981-07:00You are referring to David Nathan, not Noakes Mono...You are referring to David Nathan, not Noakes Monopode. Prasch has just fired him.. he used to be the Administrator for Moriel South Africa. God bless.Treena Gisbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-80779035025612445752018-09-07T13:21:57.792-07:002018-09-07T13:21:57.792-07:00I’ve read Prasch’s comments about Noakes. Nice to ...I’ve read Prasch’s comments about Noakes. Nice to see a more reasonable tone from Prasch instead of his usual railing. Noakes is an odd character by this account. He has strange ideas about the millennium I have to say. I find it even harder to believe that God would trust a false teacher with a prophecy to an entire nation. Why do it? Why state something is from God if you can’t prove it from scripture? I’m glad Moriel has separated from this man.Monopodehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10577151700144464122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-2963260293644216182018-09-06T10:25:00.419-07:002018-09-06T10:25:00.419-07:00There are developments between Prasch/Moriel and D...There are developments between Prasch/Moriel and David Nathan Monopode. Christians have put too much trust in Prasch and there is damage and confusion to the body of Christ. I thought something like this would eventually happen! Prasch is a destructive character!!! Read some of the comments on FB. God bless.<br />https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=moriel%20tvTreena Gisbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-1070135261602026172018-09-06T09:02:30.001-07:002018-09-06T09:02:30.001-07:00It’s all very worrying. I recall Noakes’ prophecy ...It’s all very worrying. I recall Noakes’ prophecy and didn’t think much of it at the time. It sounds too much like the stuff that’s published on the Elijah list site. Even more concerning is when we see we’ll respected teachers engage in ecumenism. It’s easy to spot Kenneth Copeland and his ilk and avoid them but Prasch is still highly regarded by men and women I consider sound. This makes him far more dangerous. I hope God corrects him as I trust he corrects me. Monopodehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10577151700144464122noreply@blogger.com