tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post7292276104604031694..comments2024-03-26T05:23:11.280-07:00Comments on WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: MORIEL'S LETTER TO STUDIO SCOTLAND & GLOBAL VISION24/7Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-47518963576010888132019-12-13T11:33:43.203-08:002019-12-13T11:33:43.203-08:00David Nathan: "He (Jesus) is the creator. He ...David Nathan: "He (Jesus) is the creator. He is the one that created - but as we know from scripture, because God is a perfect unity they work as one - that Jesus did not act independently of the Father. Amen.." (12:00 mark). https://youtu.be/jGuCiRUvriM I have no argument with David Nathan's statement above from the link you have provided. I have no partiality towards David Nathan at all. In fact I do not agree with him about the millennium.<br />God bless.Treena Gisbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-84098984145591676032019-12-13T06:57:04.167-08:002019-12-13T06:57:04.167-08:00Firstly, I would do my homework& judge righteo...Firstly, I would do my homework& judge righteously. Anyone who loves the truth would not take partiality into account& judge with righteous judgement. I watched the videos when a hit piece was put out about Moriel& Jacob Prasch. I watched the unedited videos, because I want to know what truly happened. This has nothing to do with Jacob Prasch, rather David Nathan has plainly stated that the blood of Jesus would not benefit anyone at millennial reign, but the blood of animals would. That, my friend is heresy; plain& simple. I dont need to hear anything else because this is clearly against scripture. That's it. On behalf of the Father not creating anything; again I listened to David Nathan's actual teaching; that he uploaded& yes He absolutely did say that God the Father did not create anything. <br />This is a direct quote "But the Father did not do the creating, Jesus did by the will of the Father and as we saw in Genesis chapter1 the Holy Spirit being present possibly was a involved in the creation as well". I am not sure where your getting your information& I say that very sincerely. But I would advise everyone involved to be thorough before judging this situation. Also, please stop using emotion or partiality as discernment. This is ridiculous& everyone commenting without knowing what truly happened; is also accountable before the Lord for slandering& gossiping. The crazy thing is this David Nathan has kept up the teachings& there is actually concrete proof; which shows me one fact. He is deceptive and has erred from the Faith. He also is sowing in discord& acting in vengeance for being called out. <br />There is the link<br /><br />https://youtu.be/jGuCiRUvriMAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05777417068608778295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-82224457853776446712018-12-08T09:07:18.051-08:002018-12-08T09:07:18.051-08:00Having had some communication with Deborah Menelaw...Having had some communication with Deborah Menelaws about the concerns over Bill Randles comment at the end of the video, she has written the following: <br /><br />"Thank you for doing an explanation re the DN video clip. We categorically state that Jacob Prasch lied when he accused us of editing the video clip we showed. It was in the context of what David was being blamed for as it had changed from the millennium to him not believing at all that The Blood of Christ cleanses."<br /><br />"Bill made a statement and David agreed with it - before God as our witness, we are puzzled about the reaction as it was just one small point in the midst of the rest of what David had to say and there was NEVER any even an iota of an attempt to mislead anybody - that is not how we work - ever. That is why we were so shocked at this reaction.<br />I'll leave it there - but it is part of the defamation claim that Jacob says we lied, were disingenuous and that we edited it and all sorts which is completely and utterly false."Treena Gisbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-72150572142743016472018-11-27T05:41:33.007-08:002018-11-27T05:41:33.007-08:00I have tried to remain unbiased Thomas.
I have se...I have tried to remain unbiased Thomas. <br />I have seen the evidence David Nathan put up about the triune God in creation and I do believe him on this particular point. <br />As for the Holy Spirit/clothing problem - this was in fact an old teaching. However, I do wonder why David Nathan kept a false teaching like this up on YouTube. <br />I agree that David Nathan's theory about the blood of Jesus during the millennium was not right. However I understand that he now regrets teaching this theory assertively. If a brother repents then we should not keep bringing it up. <br />The way that this has been dealt with by Prasch has been brutal. <br />If God forgives us we have no right to judge others in such a harsh way. <br />I would agree that some serious mistakes have been made by BOLM.<br />I have no grudge against Jacob Prasch I can assure you. I would back him up to the hilt if I thought that he was a good teacher. However, I do have grave concerns about his eschatology.<br />God blessTreena Gisbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-10245256287419371912018-11-27T02:43:33.541-08:002018-11-27T02:43:33.541-08:00Brother Prasch played unedited video where David N...Brother Prasch played unedited video where David Nathan clearly said the things which caused <br /> the controversy. And Nathan's teaching about the praying into articles of clothing, and the inefficacy of Jesus blood and that God the Father created nothing were not taken out of context and they were not old teachings which were retracted. You Ms. Gisborn seem to have a a personal grudge against this brother who has a passion for God's truthThomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00224211839921969559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-59219780710914002472018-11-25T05:09:41.087-08:002018-11-25T05:09:41.087-08:00David Nathan has provided evidence that this is no...David Nathan has provided evidence that this is not what he has taught in the past. He has also made it clear since this accusation that he believes that the Father, and in fact all three members of the Godhead, were involved in creation. I don't know what more we can reasonably ask of him? <br />God bless.Treena Gisbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-22606210595942705432018-11-25T04:12:13.011-08:002018-11-25T04:12:13.011-08:00What other meaning does "God the Father creat...What other meaning does "God the Father created nothing" have?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-87497657461058784072018-11-25T03:40:39.096-08:002018-11-25T03:40:39.096-08:00He was taken out of context apparently.
Moriel...He was taken out of context apparently.<br /><br />Moriel's Dispute With David Nathan - A Chronological Sequence of Events:<br />https://www.bolm.co.za/#xl_xr_page_moriel%20dispute<br /><br />God bless<br />Treena Gisbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-8791269128454052412018-11-25T02:34:13.559-08:002018-11-25T02:34:13.559-08:00Where do you get that it's a false accusation?...Where do you get that it's a false accusation? Audio exists where David Nathan clearly says “Jesus Christ was the Creator. God the Father created nothing”. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-36134025523394809022018-11-22T01:08:04.199-08:002018-11-22T01:08:04.199-08:00It has now come to light that Prasch's so call...It has now come to light that Prasch's so called "evidence" against David Nathan's teaching that God the Father did not create anything is a false accusation. We can now add "bearing false witness" to Prasch's many other problems! (Exodus 20:16).<br /><br />“You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness." (Exodus 23:1).<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eFrSFONh9Q<br /><br />On the above video Prasch also rejects David Nathan's teaching that a personal word from the Lord is co-equal with the written Word of God. How true this further accusation is difficult to say since Prasch's so called "evidence" is highly questionable. <br /><br />As mentioned in the main body of the text, David Noakes speaks in the first person of the Lord. Therefore, by definition it is the Lord Himself speaking through him, albeit that he is an "ecumenical prophet"!!! Perhaps Prasch would like to clarify whether Noakes' various "prophecies" are the Word of the Lord or not?<br /><br />Comments are closed on this video or I would ask the question. Treena Gisbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-85105135072712606222018-11-21T18:49:22.829-08:002018-11-21T18:49:22.829-08:00David Nathan has now issued a rebuttal on his FB p...David Nathan has now issued a rebuttal on his FB page. <br /><br />David Nathan: "An audio clip, out of context does not represent my beliefs. Without trying to appear defensive, there is a concerted effort being made by some to paint me as a heretic and they will stop at nothing to misrepresent what I actually believe and teach. I attach a link to an article that I was asked to contribute to the "Africa Journal of Pentecostal Studies" in 2007 that clearly shows that I do not believe that Jesus created independently of the Father"<br /><br />This circus has taken many twists and turns and is verging on the insane! Prasch has obviously decided to embark upon a witch hunt against David Nathan.. although the Menelaws have not helped. It is incredible how Prasch dares to accuse anyone of false teaching considering his own plank. (Matthew 7). The latest is his teaching about "counting the Omer". It appears that attack is the best form of defence. <br /><br />God bless. Treena Gisbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-5980377942043411242018-11-21T13:27:06.926-08:002018-11-21T13:27:06.926-08:00As you say we should not bear false witness. The v...As you say we should not bear false witness. The video with Stewart Menelaws is sickening to watch. I also think Menelaws should not have mentioned legal action which is something we cannot do to one another as believers as I’m sure he and Nathan are aware of. Nathan is a false teacher. End of story in my view. Monopodehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10577151700144464122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-51916992905879891932018-11-06T15:47:02.943-08:002018-11-06T15:47:02.943-08:00I have opposed Prasch for some time due to his fal...I have opposed Prasch for some time due to his false intra-seal theory and his association with known ecumenicals.<br />David Nathan did initially get my vote of sympathy, but he has been caught out twice now with half truths and misinformation. It is a very serious situation when a leader's testimony cannot be trusted! <br />In my view, both these ministries make a mockery of all the bible says about leaders being "examples to the flock". (1 Peter 5:3).<br />There is a higher standard required of teachers. (James 3:1). <br />God bless.Treena Gisbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-52385190078172711722018-11-06T13:55:37.023-08:002018-11-06T13:55:37.023-08:00The really sad thing about this situation is that ...The really sad thing about this situation is that it seems increasingly likely that ALL the parties involved have sown the seeds of their own destruction. But they are ALL too blind to see it. As they ALL hope to see the other side destroyed they ALL bit by bit destroy themselves, their reputations and their ministries. It would be bitterly laughable if it weren't a tragedy of epic Shakespearean proportions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-83040821650436873462018-11-05T03:10:14.310-08:002018-11-05T03:10:14.310-08:00The links on the end of the post give both the edi...The links on the end of the post give both the edited and unedited videos, and the statement by David Lister is also on the post. God bless. Treena Gisbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-80485058603683827582018-11-05T03:06:11.561-08:002018-11-05T03:06:11.561-08:00Please explain more fully what Studio Scotland hav...Please explain more fully what Studio Scotland have done that was factually incorrect or misleading, and please tell me where I can find that statement by David Lister. Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com