tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-41039259005693255482024-03-18T17:55:52.492-07:00WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYSBeware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.You will recognize them by their fruits (Matthew 7/15-16)
Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.comBlogger612125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-80848877572635825112024-03-16T03:59:00.000-07:002024-03-16T05:21:31.845-07:00CHRIS ROSEBROUGH: THE SINS OF MARTIN LUTHER DOWNPLAYED<p><i><b><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drQ82TQMD-U">The Sins of Martin Luther - Chris Rosebrough (youtube.com)</a></b></i></p><p>Chris Rosebrough has posted this video in response to the points made by Michael Brown regarding Martin Luther during a recent roundtable discussion between Brown & Storms vs. Peters & Osman: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd8b2ia66ms"><i>(1: 26) Roundtable: Brown & Storms vs. Peters & Osman - YouTube</i></a> Rosebrough's response massively downplays Luther's antisemitism: "<i>Luther lashed back in a way that went beyond what was necessary and crossed into the line of sinfulness.."</i></p><div>Although I regard Brown as a false prophet and someone who facilitates NAR false teachers and prophets, his observations about Martin Luther were far from irrelevant. The double standards or <i>"differing weights"</i> employed by Lutherans and Calvinists are nowhere more evident than their reverence of this wicked man. (Proverbs 20:10). </div><div><br /></div><div>In his earlier period, until about 1537, Luther sought to convert Jews to Protestant Christianity. However, when they failed to convert he became hostile towards them. In his 65,000-word antisemitic treatise <i>On the Jews and Their Lies </i>he referred to the Jews in the vilest terms imaginable and urged their persecution. His influence upon Hitler's Nazi Germany is beyond doubt.</div><div><br /></div>Rollins: <i>"Martin Luther and Adolf Hitler are inseparably linked with their extreme anti-Semitism and nationalism. It is impossible to assume that Luther did not have any influence on Hitler and his views, for it cannot be mere coincidence that Hitler’s anti-Jewish sentiment of the 1930s and 1940s mirrors that of Luther’s anti-Semitism of the 1500s."<span style="font-size: xx-small;">1</span></i> <div><br /></div><div><b><i>Excerpts from "On the Jews and Their Lies"</i></b><br /><br /><i><span style="color: #800180;">I had made up my mind to write no more either about the Jews or against them. But since I learned that these miserable and accursed people do not cease to lure to themselves even us, that is, the Christians, I have published this little book, so that I might be found among those who opposed such poisonous activities of the Jews who warned the Christians to be on their guard against them. I would not have believed that a Christian could be duped by the Jews into taking their exile and wretchedness upon himself. However, the devil is the god of the world, and wherever God’s word is absent he has an easy task, not only with the weak but also with the strong. May God help us. Amen..<br /><br />He did not call them Abraham’s children, but a “brood of vipers” <a href="https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/gospel-according-to-saint-matthew">[Matt. 3:7</a>]. Oh, that was too insulting for the noble blood and race of Israel, and they declared, “He has a demon’ [Matt 11:18]. Our Lord also calls them a “brood of vipers”; furthermore, in <a href="https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/gospel-according-to-saint-john">John 8</a> [:39,44] he states: “If you were Abraham’s children ye would do what Abraham did.... You are of your father the devil. It was intolerable to them to hear that they were not Abraham’s but the devil’s children, nor can they bear to hear this today..<br /><br />Therefore, the blind Jews are truly stupid fools...</span></i></div><i><span style="color: #800180;"><br />Now just behold these miserable, blind, and senseless people ... their blindness and arrogance are as solid as an iron mountain.<br /><br /></span></i><div><i><span style="color: #800180;">Learn from this, dear Christian, what you are doing if you permit the blind Jews to mislead you. Then the saying will truly apply, “When a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into the pit” [cf. <a href="https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/gospel-according-to-saint-luke">Luke 6:39</a>]. You cannot learn anything from them except how to misunderstand the divine commandments...<br /><br />Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever they have their <a href="https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-synagogue">synagogues</a>, nothing is found but a den of devils in which sheer self-glory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men are practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them.<br /><br />Moreover, they are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no morsel and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and pilfered from us by means of their accursed usury. Thus, they live from day to day, together with wife and child, by theft and robbery, as arch thieves and robbers, in the most impenitent security.<br /><br />However, they have not acquired a perfect mastery of the art of lying; they lie so clumsily and ineptly that anyone who is just a little observant can easily detect it. But for us Christians they stand as a terrifying example of God’s wrath.<br /><br />If I had to refute all the other articles of the Jewish faith, I should be obliged to write against them as much and for as long a time as they have used for inventing their lies that is, longer than two thousand years.<br /><br />...Christ and his word can hardly be recognized because of the great vermin of human ordinances. However, let this suffice for the time being on their lies against doctrine or faith.<br /><br />Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that God and all the angels dance when he farts?<br /><br />Alas, it cannot be anything but the terrible wrath of God which permits anyone to sink into such abysmal, devilish, hellish, insane baseness, envy, and arrogance. If I were to avenge myself on the devil himself I should be unable to wish him such evil and misfortune as God’s wrath inflicts on the Jews, compelling them to lie and to blaspheme so monstrously, in violation of their own conscience. Anyway, they have their reward for constantly giving God the lie.<br /><br /> No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants.<br /><br />...but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard, God’s anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!<br /><br />Over and above that we let them get rich on our sweat and blood, while we remain poor and they such the marrow from our bones.<br /><br />I brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your rule if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so that you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the Jews, lest we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy, the defamation, and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely and wantonly against the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear mother, all Christians, all authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them protection, safe-conduct, or communion with us.... With this faithful counsel and warning I wish to cleanse and exonerate my conscience.<br /><br />Let the government deal with them in this respect, as I have suggested. But whether the government acts or not, let everyone at least be guided by his own conscience and form for himself a definition or image of a Jew.<br /><br /> However, we must avoid confirming them in their wanton lying, slandering, cursing, and defaming. Nor dare we make ourselves partners in their devilish ranting and raving by shielding and protecting them, by giving them food, drink, and shelter, or by other neighborly<br /><br />Therefore, we Christians, in turn, are obliged not to tolerate their wanton and conscious blasphemy.<br /><br />Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death.<br /><br />What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct now that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do, we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blasphemy. Thus, we cannot extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophets speak, nor can we convert the Jews. With prayer and the fear of God we must practice a sharp mercy to see whether we might save at least a few from the glowing flames. We dare not avenge ourselves. Vengeance a thousand times worse than we could wish them already has them by the throat. I shall give you my sincere advice:<br /><br /> First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly and I myself was unaware of it will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.<br /><br />Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.<br /><br />Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them. (remainder omitted)<br /><br />Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. For they have justly forfeited the right to such an office by holding the poor Jews captive with the saying of Moses (<a href="https://www.sefaria.org/Deuteronomy.17?lang=he-en&utm_source=jewishvirtuallibrary.org&utm_medium=sefaria_linker">Deuteronomy 17</a> [:10 ff.]) in which he commands them to obey their teachers on penalty of death, although Moses clearly adds: “what they teach you in accord with the law of the Lord.” Those villains ignore that. They wantonly employ the poor people’s obedience contrary to the law of the Lord and infuse them with this poison, cursing, and blasphemy. In the same way the pope also held us captive with the declaration in Matthew 16 {:18], “You are Peter,” etc., inducing us to believe all the lies and deceptions that issued from his devilish mind. He did not teach in accord with the word of God, and therefore he forfeited the right to teach.<br /><br />Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside, since they are not lords, officials, tradesmen, or the like. Let they stay at home. (...remainder omitted).<br /><br />Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping. The reason for such a measure is that, as said above, they have no other means of earning a livelihood than usury, and by it they have stolen and robbed from us all they possess. Such money should now be used in no other way than the following: Whenever a Jew is sincerely converted, he should be handed one hundred, two hundred, or three hundred florins, as personal circumstances may suggest. With this he could set himself up in some occupation for the support of his poor wife and children, and the maintenance of the old or feeble. For such evil gains are cursed if they are not put to use with God’s blessing in a good and worthy cause.<br /><br />Seventh, I commend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow, as was imposed on the children of Adam (Gen 3[:19]}. For it is not fitting that they should let us accursed Goyim toil in the sweat of our faces while they, the holy people, idle away their time behind the stove, feasting and farting, and on top of all, boasting blasphemously of their lordship over the Christians by means of our sweat. No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants.<br /><br />But what will happen even if we do burn down the Jews’ synagogues and forbid them publicly to praise God, to pray, to teach, to utter God’s name? They will still keep doing it in secret. If we know that they are doing this in secret, it is the same as if they were doing it publicly. for our knowledge of their secret doings and our toleration of them implies that they are not secret after all and thus our conscience is encumbered with it before God.<br /><br />Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death. My advice, as I said earlier, is:<br /><br />First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are able toss in sulfur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also throw in some hellfire. That would demonstrate to God our serious resolve and be evidence to all the world that it was in ignorance that we tolerated such houses, in which the Jews have reviled God, our dear Creator and Father, and his Son most shamefully up till now but that we have now given them their due reward.<br /><br />I wish and I ask that our rulers who have Jewish subjects exercise a sharp mercy toward these wretched people, as suggested above, to see whether this might not help (though it is doubtful). They must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set in, proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance. Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them, as Moses did in the wilderness, slaying three thousand lest the whole people perish. They surely do not know what they are doing; moreover, as people possessed, they do not wish to know it, hear it, or learn it. There it would be wrong to be merciful and confirm them in their conduct. If this does not help, we must drive them out like mad dogs, so that we do not become partakers of their abominable blasphemy and all their other vices and thus merit God’s wrath and be damned with them. I have done my duty. Now let everyone see to his. I am exonerated.<br /> <br />My essay, I hope, will furnish a Christian (who in any case has no desire to become a Jew) with enough material not only to defend himself against the blind, venomous Jews, but also to become the foe of the Jews’ malice, lying, and cursing, and to understand not only that their belief is false but that they are surely possessed by all devils. May Christ, our dear Lord, convert them mercifully and preserve us steadfastly and immovably in the knowledge of him, which is eternal life. Amen.<span style="font-size: xx-small;">2</span> </span></i><i><span style="color: #800180;"><br /></span></i><div><br />Rosebrough: <i>"The Judaism of today and even the Judaism of the Medieval period is exactly the same false Judaism that the Pharisees had created, and was responsible primarily for the crucifixion of Christ. And so we recognize that unbelieving Jews today are not neutral as relates to Jesus Christ, instead, they are overt enemies of Christianity and the saving message that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, the promise of the Old Testament, that he is the promised son of David, the promised Prophet that Moses prophesied about in Deuteronomy 18, and that we must listen to Him and that salvation is only in Him. Modern-day Jews oppose this gospel vehemently. Modern-day Judaism is an enemy of Christ and must be countered with sound reasoning as well as with love and temperance and respect." </i>Neither Luther nor Rosebrough have understood Romans 11, Zechariah 12 and other passages regarding the final salvation of the Jews<i>.</i> If Luther had been theologically sound he would not have dared savage them in such wicked terms! (Romans 11:18). Luther's diatribe against the Jews was eschatologically ignorant and was injected with hatred and theological error. Its source can only have been demonic.</div><div><br /></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come from Zion; He will remove godlessness from Jacob. And this is My covenant with them when I take away their sins.”Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but regarding election, they are loved on account of the patriarchs. For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable. (Romans 11:25-29).</span></i></div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i><br /></i></span><div><div><b><i>Luther and the Peasants Revolt 1524-25</i></b><p>I have addressed this subject in a previous post: <a href="https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2023/02/steve-kozar-daniel-long-illegitimate.html"><i>WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: STEVE KOZAR + DANIEL LONG: ILLEGITIMATE BAPTISM (bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com)</i></a></p><p><i>Beginning in 1524 and ending in its suppression in 1525, the Peasants' Revolt began as a result of abuses cited by the peasants by the government and the church. Luther is often credited with the role of encouraging the Peasants' Revolt. However, he maintained allegiance to the German Princes against the violence of the rebels. Luther openly condemned the peasants and called for their brutal suppression, arguably inciting the demise of more than 100,000 peasants and facilitating further oppression of the lower classes."(German: Wider die Mordischen und Reubischen Rotten der Bawren) Against the Murderous, Thieving Hordes of Peasants typifies Luther's reaction to the Peasants' War, and alludes to Luther's concern that he might be seen to be responsible for their rebellion." <br /><br />Tract Against the Murderous and Thieving Hordes of Peasants</i>, published in May 1525<i> </i></p><p><i style="color: #800180;">Therefore, let everyone who can, smite, slay, and stab, secretly or openly, remembering that nothing can be more poisonous, hurtful, or devilish than a rebel. It is just as when one must kill a mad dog; if you do not strike him, he will strike you, and a whole land with you.</i></p><p><i><span style="color: #800180;">To kill a peasant is not murder; it is helping to extinguish the conflagration. Let there be no half measures! Crush them! Cut their throats! Transfix them. Leave no stone unturned! To kill a peasant is to destroy a mad dog! – If they say that I am very hard and merciless, mercy be damned. Let whoever can stab, strangle, and kill them like mad dogs”[Erlangen Vol 24"</span></i></p></div><div><i style="color: #800180;">I have killed all the farmers in their rebellion; all their blood is on my neck..</i><br /><br /><i>Luther was massively obese and weighed a hefty 150kg (23st 8lb) at his death in 1546 at the age of 63. Luther was a glutton and a drunkard, and by his own admission, he indulged himself to excess. Apparently, he drank up to two litres of fortified wine with every meal in addition to large quantities of beer.</i></div><div><br /></div><i>Luther's first German translation of the scriptures omitted 25 books (i.e., Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Esther, Job, Ecclesiastes, Jonah, Tobias, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach (i.e., Ecclesiasticus), Baruch, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Matthew, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation. Luther referred to the Epistle of James as <span style="color: #800180;">'straw not worthy to be burned in my oven as tinder'.</span> He referred to other books as <span style="color: #800180;">'Judaizing nonsense'. </span></i><div><span style="color: #800180;"><br /></span></div></div><div>If Rosebrough is unable<i> or unwilling </i>to see that Luther was a vile person who was theologically ignorant and unqualified as a leader and teacher then he is in spiritual darkness. (Matthew 7:5).</div><i><br /><span style="color: #2b00fe;">1. <a href="https://scholarship.rollins.edu/mls/20/">"Luther and Hitler: A Linear Connection between Martin Luther and Adolf" by Daphne M. Olsen (rollins.edu)</a><br />2. <a href="https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/martin-luther-quot-the-jews-and-their-lies-quot?utm_content=cmp-true">Martin Luther - "The Jews & Their Lies" (jewishvirtuallibrary.org)</a></span></i><div><br /></div><div><i><b>Further Links</b></i></div><i><br /><a href="https://archive.org/details/OnTheJewsAndTheirLiesMartinLuther1543/page/n3/mode/2up?q=synagogues">On The Jews and Their Lies : Martin Luther : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive</a><br /><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Peasants%27_War">German Peasants' War - Wikipedia</a><br /><a href="https://www.christiantoday.com/article/slay-the-mad-dogs-how-luther-betrayed-the-peasants-revolt-that-he-inspired/112430.htm">'Slay the mad dogs': How Luther betrayed the peasants' revolt that he inspired (christiantoday.com)</a><br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qay9pEzvJXM">Chris Rosebrough Calls Dr. Michael Brown - The Sins of Martin Luther (youtube.com)</a></i></div>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-31111975687386330512024-03-12T06:49:00.000-07:002024-03-12T11:58:02.974-07:00ONE CHURCH LEICESTER: CLOSURE OF SIX DEGREES COFFEE HOUSE<p>One Church is an Assemblies of God (AG) Church in Leicester which has tangible links to the false teachings of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) having close ties with false prophet Simon Braker and other <i>"prophetic"</i> influences.<i><span style="font-size: xx-small;">1</span></i> Like many NAR churches, their somewhat <i>"cool" </i>image conceals a much darker agenda.</p><div>The AG is the world's largest Pentecostal denomination representing 65 million people. The AG has published a number of papers <b><i>officially rejecting </i></b>several key NAR teachings. Despite this, many individual pastors and leaders, including the Hinds, regularly flout these guidelines and introduce all kinds of aberrant NAR doctrines into their churches.</div><div><br /></div><div>AG: <i>"The New Testament does not make provisions for establishing the prophet in a hierarchical governing structure of the church; in fact, the content of prophecy itself should always be tested by and responsible to the superior authority of Scripture. However, the church should long for authentic prophecy with a message, which is relevant to contemporary needs and subject to the authority of Scripture."</i><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>2 </i></span></div><p>ONE Church:<i> "After 8 wonderful years, we are announcing that 6 Degrees will be closing their doors this Easter. The shop was set up in 2016 as a social enterprise to bring profits to Open Hands & bless the community around Leicestershire through their compassion ministries. Throughout this journey, 6 degrees has fulfilled these aims and been a huge blessing on London Road. <b>Over this last season, 6 Degrees has continued to be a blessing but has faced challenges in turning a profit.</b> It’s now time to gracefully conclude this chapter and celebrate the wonderful journey it has been. Our heartfelt gratitude and prayers go out to our dedicated staff and volunteers as they transition to new opportunities.."<span style="font-size: xx-small;">3 </span> </i></p><div>Six Degrees Coffee House is one of the most macabre stories I have ever reported on! Six Degrees was opened in 2016 by Trinity Life Church Leicester (now ONE Church). The profits from Six Degrees apparently go to the work of Open Hands Trust which was founded on lottery money in 2006! Not only was TLC's application for lottery funding unbiblical, it also went specifically against Assemblies of God guidelines.<i><span style="font-size: xx-small;">4 </span></i>The most infamous thing about 6 Degrees was its ungodly signage which sported the number 666 for a considerable period of time.</div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg7gp5cva3usfXjnVhY2yYjr2VG_HYlNwMNvnW-yZ_hHc76__NSRMHTpqMWn4elMMbPsrcwYfUMjehEwFYxO4qZ0w1ttpWR7u0yLVciuS0mo4cpaxgeHm5vg1onp-QmlhDWfZgYz6NrrT5PA6rOiEZZOoFpJmFfp97jwG5rkw8lP3ZDdhiQiymA8uQirT4/s240/tlc%20666%20(3).jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="179" data-original-width="240" height="477" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg7gp5cva3usfXjnVhY2yYjr2VG_HYlNwMNvnW-yZ_hHc76__NSRMHTpqMWn4elMMbPsrcwYfUMjehEwFYxO4qZ0w1ttpWR7u0yLVciuS0mo4cpaxgeHm5vg1onp-QmlhDWfZgYz6NrrT5PA6rOiEZZOoFpJmFfp97jwG5rkw8lP3ZDdhiQiymA8uQirT4/w640-h477/tlc%20666%20(3).jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhNzrmueFYsn1dSM-gTjRjLNKCh9hiPW9Wd_MrRzpKtsgRA1yYXallXaPoSksabGJBBYFoH9jin6pbtV_J0t-V86zbZBUG7ybWTG-LHyArXosTqSSRsr8oFJHZLF1zYK65OJy5BQ0TrB37eG3ERYLjJqn1voPenSnM2tiksvUAfCXx8UwsoAoGsuy9082E/s400/six%20degrees%20coffee%20house.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="300" data-original-width="400" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhNzrmueFYsn1dSM-gTjRjLNKCh9hiPW9Wd_MrRzpKtsgRA1yYXallXaPoSksabGJBBYFoH9jin6pbtV_J0t-V86zbZBUG7ybWTG-LHyArXosTqSSRsr8oFJHZLF1zYK65OJy5BQ0TrB37eG3ERYLjJqn1voPenSnM2tiksvUAfCXx8UwsoAoGsuy9082E/w640-h480/six%20degrees%20coffee%20house.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div>The latest in a long line of bad decisions undertaken by the Hinds is their acceptance of an alleged prophecy to find "<i>a watchtower at a high place"</i> in order to hear from God! (Matthew 18:20). The location they chose for this heathenish act was Holyhead Mountain on Anglesey with its strong Druidic connections. Mark and avoid these false teachers/prophets. (Romans 16:17). <i><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;">their glory is in their shame.. (Philippians 3:19).</span></b></i></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /><b>But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men corrupted in mind and disqualified regarding the faith. But they will not get very far, for their folly will be plain to all, as was that of those two men. (2 Timothy 3:1-9).</b></span></i><div><br /></div><i>1. <a href="https://legacyministriesint.org/">Prophetic Apostolic ministry | Legacy Ministries International</a><br />2. <a href="https://ag.org/Beliefs/Position-Papers/Apostles-and-Prophets">Assemblies of God (USA) Official Web Site | Apostles and Prophets (Official A/G Position Paper) (ag.org)</a><br />3. <a href="https://www.facebook.com/OneChurchLeicester/">Facebook</a><br />4. <a href="https://ag.org/Beliefs/Position-Papers/A-Biblical-Perspective-on-Gambling">Assemblies of God (USA) Official Web Site | A Biblical Perspective on Gambling (ag.org)</a> <br /><br /></i><div><b><i>Further Links</i></b></div><div><i><br /></i></div><div><a href="https://ag.org/Beliefs/Position-Papers/Kingdom-of-God"><i>Assemblies of God (USA) Official Web Site | The Kingdom of God (ag.org)</i></a></div><div><a href="https://www.hollypivec.com/blog/2013/06/the-assemblies-of-god-and-the-nar/3246"><i>The Assemblies of God and the NAR — Holly Pivec</i></a></div><div><a href="https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/search/label/Trinity%20Life%20Church%20Leicester"><i>WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: Trinity Life Church Leicester (bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com)</i></a><br /></div>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-17412704924539829812024-03-06T10:56:00.000-08:002024-03-07T03:51:24.837-08:00MARK BILTZ: 2024 SOLAR ECLIPSE SORCERY<div>The total solar eclipse to cross North America on April 8, 2024 has given rise to negative speculations from various suspect bible teachers. According to NASA, "<i>The Monday, April 8, 2024, total solar eclipse will cross North America, passing over Mexico, the United States, and Canada. The total solar eclipse will begin over the South Pacific Ocean.."<span style="font-size: xx-small;">1 </span></i></div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhcJRTLTBDTdZZ1QTIP4UrML6OvO6jApPwgOlMSAF-ZLNv87_Cb-GgpPRPHWZOC6K_NBKOl6TbnErwcfaKRRBouD6FWGYB2qyhogFYONiUWr2ZGrgZh04oUcgTMUcV3QAvtEV4HYZlTtWuxvNPWHTyIjpX_bfCo9sxt_EIY7KGCjpoaR6Gm1oMjTDQn7gA/s474/2024%20eclipse.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="274" data-original-width="474" height="370" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhcJRTLTBDTdZZ1QTIP4UrML6OvO6jApPwgOlMSAF-ZLNv87_Cb-GgpPRPHWZOC6K_NBKOl6TbnErwcfaKRRBouD6FWGYB2qyhogFYONiUWr2ZGrgZh04oUcgTMUcV3QAvtEV4HYZlTtWuxvNPWHTyIjpX_bfCo9sxt_EIY7KGCjpoaR6Gm1oMjTDQn7gA/w640-h370/2024%20eclipse.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div><div>False teacher and date setter Mark Biltz of El Shaddai Ministries claims to be the first person to have discovered the blood moon phenomenon.<span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>2 </i></span>These baseless speculations were promoted primarily by Mark Biltz, John Hagee, and Jonathan Cahn in 2014 and 2015. These three false teachers continue to speculate about the end times regardless of their past failures. </div><div><br /></div>Wikipedia:<i> "The prophecies stated that a tetrad (a series of four consecutive lunar eclipses—all total and coinciding on Jewish holidays—with six full moons in between, and no intervening partial lunar eclipses) which began with the April 2014 lunar eclipse was the beginning of the end times as described in the Bible in the Book of Joel 2:32, Acts 2:20 and Revelation 6:12. The tetrad ended with the lunar eclipse on September 27-28 2015."<span style="font-size: xx-small;"> 3</span></i><div><br /></div><div><div>In his latest offering, Biltz refers to the 2024 total solar eclipse: "<i>The first of Nisan has a huge biblical meaning. It’s the beginning. And just like it’s the beginning of the inauguration of the Tabernacle, I believe it’s going to be the beginning of judgment upon America."<span style="font-size: xx-small;">4</span></i></div><div><br /></div><div>Paul Begley:<i> "It is truly a prophetic sign in the heavens, no doubt about that.. "<span style="font-size: xx-small;">5</span></i><i><br /></i><br /></div><div>Alton B Don Billingsley: "<i>In view of Prophetic Biblical teachings, connected with major disastrous events, now occurring, and projected to worsen on a national and international scale over the next few years, strongly implies Jesus Christ will be standing on this earth in the year-2029."<span style="font-size: xx-small;">6</span></i><div><br /></div><div><div><div>Genesis 1 describes the creation of the heavenly bodies and God's practical purpose in separating the day from the night and establishing time and seasons. </div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br />And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for<b> signs and for seasons,</b> and for days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day. (Genesis 1:14-19).</span></i></div><div><br /></div></div><div>Amplified Bible: <i>Then God said, “Let there be light-bearers (sun, moon, stars) in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be useful for signs (tokens) [of God’s provident care], and for marking seasons, days, and years;</i></div><div><div><i><br /></i>Brown-Driver-Briggs:<i> "8 signs, tokens of changes of weather & times <a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/1-14.htm">Genesis 1:14</a> (P; of heavenly luminaries) אוֺתוֺת הַשָּׁמַיִם <a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/jeremiah/10-2.htm">Jeremiah 10:2</a> (changes of the heavens as omens to frighten the nations) compare <a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/psalms/65-9.htm">Psalm 65:9</a>.<span style="font-size: xx-small;">7 </span></i></div><div><i><br /></i></div><div>Genesis 1:14-19 is a powerful witness of God's attributes and allows <i>no excuse for atheism:<span style="color: #2b00fe;"> For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. (Romans 1:20).</span></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /></span></i></div><div>A stern warning was given to the ancient Israelites regarding replicating the superstitions of "<i>the nations"</i> or "<i>the heathen"</i> and their practice of foretelling portents in the heavens. Jeremiah 10:2-3 is an allusion to the condemned Babylonian practice of astrology which corresponds to sorcery. (Isaiah 47:12-13).</div><div><br /></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Learn not the way of the nations, nor be dismayed at the signs of the heavens because the nations are dismayed at them, for the customs of the peoples are vanity. (Jeremiah 10:2). </span></i></div><div><span face="Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #001320; font-size: 16px; text-align: justify;"><br /></span></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Stand fast in your enchantments and your many sorceries, with which you have labored from your youth; perhaps you may be able to succeed; perhaps you may inspire terror. You are wearied with your many counsels; let them stand forth and save you, those who divide the heavens, who gaze at the stars, who at the new moons make known what shall come upon you. (Isaiah 47:12-13).</span></i><div><i><br /></i></div><div>I am no fan of John Calvin, but in this instance, he gives a good sense of Jeremiah 10:2 <i>"..certain inquisitive persons abuse this passages to give color to their frivolous predictions: I call those men Chaldeans and fanatics, who divine everything from the aspects of the stars. (69) Because Moses declares that the sun and moon were appointed for signs, they think themselves entitled to elicit from them anything they please. But confutation is easy: for they are called signs of certain things, not signs to denote whatever is according to our fancy. What indeed does Moses assert to be signified by them, except things belonging to the order of nature? For the same God who here ordains signs testifies by Isaiah that he ‘will dissipate the signs of the diviners,’ (<a href="https://www.studylight.org/study-desk.html?q1=isa+44:25&t1=eng_nas&sr=1">Isaiah 44:25</a>;) and forbids us to be ‘dismayed at the signs of heaven,’ (<a href="https://www.studylight.org/study-desk.html?q1=jer+10:2&t1=eng_nas&sr=1">Jeremiah 10:2</a>.) But since it is manifest that Moses does not depart from the ordinary custom of men, I desist from a longer discussion. The word מועדים (moadim,) which they translate ‘certain times’, is variously understood among the Hebrews: for it signifies both time and place, and also assemblies of persons. The Rabbis commonly explain the passage as referring to their festivals. But I extend it further to mean, in the first place, the opportunities of time, which in French are called saisons, (seasons;) and then all fairs and forensic assemblies. (70) Finally, Moses commemorates the unbounded goodness of God in causing the sun and moon not only to enlighten us, but to afford us various other advantages for the daily use of life. It remains that we, purely enjoying the multiplied bounties of God, should learn not to profane such excellent gifts by our preposterous abuse of them. In the meantime, let us admire this wonderful Artificer, who has so beautifully arranged all things above and beneath, that they may respond to each other in most harmonious concert."<span style="font-size: xx-small;">8 </span></i></div></div><div><br /></div><div><div><span style="text-align: justify;">Geneva Study Bible: <i>"God forbids his people to give credit or fear the constellations and conjunctions of stars and planets which have no power of themselves but are governed by him, and their secret motions and influences are not known to man and therefore there can be no certain judgment of it, De 18:9."<span style="font-size: xx-small;">9</span></i></span></div><div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br /></div><div>Clarke:<i> "Be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed - The Chaldeans and Egyptians were notoriously addicated to astrology; and the Israelites here are cautioned against it."<span style="font-size: xx-small;">10</span></i></div></div><div><br /></div><div>No astronomical signs are mentioned by Jesus concerning the end of the age until the sixth seal is broken. (Revelation 6:12-14). The signs that believers are specifically warned about in the Olivet Discourse are <i>spiritual deception, wars and rumours of wars, famines and earthquakes, persecution, apostasy, and the abomination of desolation. </i>(Matthew 24: 4-15).</div><div><i><b><br /></b></i></div><div><i><b>Extraordinary signs</b></i></div> <br />Extraordinary signs relating directly to Jesus Christ:</div><div><div><br /></div></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Where is he who has been born king of the Jews? For <b>we saw his star</b> when it rose and have come to worship him.” (Matthew 2:2).</span></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /></span></i></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land until the ninth hour. (Matthew 27:45).</span></i><div><br /></div><div>The scriptures give information about <i><b>specific </b></i>extraordinary astronomical signs linked to end-times events. In particular, the sixth seal cosmic disturbances will be seen and experienced globally - they indicate the rapture and the imminent return of Jesus Christ.</div></div><div><br /></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. <b>Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man</b>, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Matthew 24:29-31).</span></i><br /><div><br /></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">And when I saw the Lamb open the sixth seal, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black like sackcloth of goat hair, and the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind. The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place. (Revelation 6:12-14 cf. Joel 2:10,3:15; Isaiah 13:10,34:4). </span></i> </div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /></span></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple, from the throne, saying, “It is done!” And there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, and a great earthquake such as there had never been since man was on the earth, so great was that earthquake. The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell, and God remembered Babylon the great, to make her drain the cup of the wine of the fury of his wrath. And every island fled away, and no mountains were to be found. And great hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, fell from heaven on people; and they cursed God for the plague of the hail, because the plague was so severe. (Revelation 16:17-20).</span></i><div><div><br /></div><div>Speculation regarding the coming eclipse go specifically against God's command<b> <i>not to learn the way of the heathen</i></b> or to be dismayed by events in the heavens. Biltz and other fearmongers are nothing less than sorcerers and astrologers and should be avoided. (Romans 16:17).</div><div><br /></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>For the LORD spoke thus to me with his strong hand upon me, and warned me not to walk in the way of this people, saying: “Do not call conspiracy all that this people calls conspiracy, and do not fear what they fear, nor be in dread. But the LORD of hosts, him you shall honor as holy. Let him be your fear, and let him be your dread. (Isaiah 8:11-13).</b></span></i></div><i><br />1. <a href="https://science.nasa.gov/eclipses/future-eclipses/eclipse-2024/where-when/">2024 Total Eclipse: Where & When - NASA Science</a><br />2. <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/27/blood-moon-apocalypse-nasa-lunar-eclipse-supermoon">'Blood moon' brings prophecies of end times – but Nasa says not to worry | Religion | The Guardian</a> <br />3. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_moon_prophecy">Blood moon prophecy - Wikipedia</a><br />4. <a href="https://www.wnd.com/2024/02/biblical-expert-solar-eclipse-mark-beginning-judgment-upon-america/">https://www.wnd.com/2024/02/biblical-expert-solar-eclipse-mark-beginning-judgment-upon-america/</a><br />5.<a href=" Breaking "7 Planets In Line During Solar Eclipse" (youtube.com)"> Breaking "7 Planets In Line During Solar Eclipse" (youtube.com)</a><br />6. <a href="https://www.cogwriter.com/news/prophecy/biltz-judgment-of-usa-begins-with-solar-eclipse-april-8-2024-billinglesy-jesus-will-be-on-earth-in-2029/">Biltz: Judgment of USA begins with solar eclipse April 8, 2024; Billinglesy: Jesus will be on earth in 2029; COGwriter: Accept God’s criteria for a prophet - Church of God News</a><br />7. <a href="https://biblehub.com/hebrew/226.htm">Strong's Hebrew: 226. אוֹת (oth) -- a sign (biblehub.com</a><br />8. <a href="https://www.studylight.org/commentary/genesis/1-14.html">Genesis 1:14 - Verse-by-Verse Bible Commentary - StudyLight.org</a><br />9. <a href="https://biblehub.com/commentaries/jeremiah/10-2.htm">Jeremiah 10:2 Commentaries: Thus says the LORD, "Do not learn the way of the nations, And do not be terrified by the signs of the heavens Although the nations are terrified by them; (biblehub.com)</a><br />10. <a href="https://biblehub.com/commentaries/clarke/jeremiah/10.htm">Jeremiah 10 Clarke's Commentary (biblehub.com)</a><br /><br /></i><div><i><b>Further Links</b></i><div><br /></div><i><a href="#">False Teacher and Failed Date Setter Mark Biltz Makes a Most Dangerous Statement: 'We are safe and have another seven years' (alankurschner.com)</a><br /><a href="https://creationtoday.org/the-questionable-teachings-of-mark-biltz/">The Questionable Teachings of Mark Biltz | Creation Today</a></i></div></div></div></div>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-53558787864268280052024-02-27T02:59:00.000-08:002024-02-27T11:01:52.195-08:00CALEB CORNELOUP (iTHINKBIBLICALLY) VS FALSE TEACHER DR MICHAEL BROWN<i><b><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD9jxEtOgPU">My Full Discussion With Dr. Michael Brown On False Prophecy (youtube.com)</a><br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbDt1xxJPdc">Is NT Prophecy Fallible? Post Discussion Thoughts On Michael Brown (youtube.com)</a></b></i><p>Re: Caleb Corneloup's (<i>iThinkBiblically</i>) discussion with Dr Michael Brown streamed on the 21st of February and post-discussion thoughts streamed on the 24th of February. The discussion focused on the gift of prophecy and the danger of false prophecy. </p><p>Some viewers commented that Corneloup should not have debated Brown due to concerns that he has given him a platform or that he has compromised. I do not think that Corneloup has compromised, but Brown is not someone I would ever dialogue with. In my view, he is an extremely dangerous false teacher, a guileful twister of the scriptures, and a person to mark and avoid. (Romans 16:17). Brown wants to be friends with everyone and he supports the worst of the charismatic NAR false teachers. The danger this man poses to young or immature Christians is inestimable and I would not encourage anyone to listen to him. </p><p>Corneloup made the comparison between false prophecy, homosexuality, and adultery, all of which carried the death penalty in the Old Testament. (Deuteronomy 13:5,18:20). False prophecy is utterly condemned in the scriptures and is described as <i>detestable, idolatry. abomination, false visions, lying divinations, delusions of their own minds, destructive heresies </i>etc.<i> </i>The scriptures denounce false prophets as teaching <i>rebellion against the Lord</i>.. <i>by their own authority.</i> (Jeremiah 5:31,14:14 Ezekiel 22:28; Lamentations 2:14; 2 Peter 2:1). False prophets fill people with vain hopes and lead God's people astray. (Jeremiah 23:16; Ezekiel 13:9; Zechariah 10:2). The consequences for false prophets and those who listen to them are grave. (Jeremiah 27:15; Matthew 7:19-23; Revelation 21:8).</p><p>Corneloup evaluates Brown's discernment as <i>"off"</i> but surprisingly he thinks that he is a "<i>brother"</i>. A bible teacher who is "<i>off" </i>on such a critical issue as prophecy does not rightly handle the word of truth,<i> a critical qualification for bible teachers!</i> (2 Timothy 2:15; James 3:1). If Brown <i><b>is</b> </i>a believer, he should have realized many years ago that his NAR friends are false prophets, that he himself is a false prophet, and that he is a stumbling block and a bad influence on the church. No amount of obfuscation can excuse his behaviour. </p><p><i><b>Debunking Brown's "inner ear" eisegesis</b></i></p><p><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i>The Lord GOD has given me the tongue of those who are taught, that I may know how to sustain with a word him who is weary. Morning by morning he awakens; <b>he awakens my ear to hear as those who are taught.</b></i></span><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"> I offered My back to those who struck Me, and My cheeks to those who tore out My beard. I did not hide My face from scorn and spittle.(Isaiah 50:5-6). </span></i></p>Brown eisegetes verse 5 to apply to modern-day false prophets who claim to hear God through an <i>"inner voice". </i>This passage does not refer to the alleged<i> "inner ear"</i> of modern-day prophets. The context of Isaiah 50:5 concerns the Servant of the Lord, the Messiah. This is the third of the <i>"Servant Songs"</i> (Isaiah 42:1-9,49:1-12,50:4-9,52-53). The passage continues with the prophecy of Jesus' crucifixion fulfilled in Matthew 26:67,27:26; John 19:1. <div><br /></div><div><div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>My sheep hear my voice, and I know them</b>, and they follow me. (John 10:27 cf. 10:3-5).</span></i></div><br />This verse refers to <i>Jesus' voice </i>at the time of His preaching, and subsequently the preaching of the gospel. There is overwhelming evidence that modern-day false prophets deviate from the gospel and that their prophecies are unreliable. The antithesis to this verse is John 10:8, the hierarchical, especially Pharisaical, antagonists of Christ. Interestingly Jesus says to the false prophets <i><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;">I never knew you.. (Matthew 7:23).</span></b> </i>John 10:27 does not support extra-biblical <i>"inner ear" </i>revelations. </div><div><b><i><br /></i></b></div><div><b><i>Fallible prophecy debunked</i></b></div><div><span face="Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #001320; font-size: 16px; text-align: justify; text-indent: 25px;"><br /></span></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others <b>weigh (διακρινέτωσαν) </b>what is said. (1 Corinthians 14:29).</span></i></div><div><div><br /></div><div>According to Brown, this verse refers to the order of the church service and does not refer to the discernment of spirits. </div><div><br /></div><div>Corneloup submits the valid argument that the counterpart for prophecy is discernment of spirits. (1 Corinthians 12:10). All the major commentaries agree that this verse refers to discernment i.e. "<i>the others" </i>should judge whether the source of a prophecy is from the Holy Spirit. The Greek verb <i>διακρίνω </i>is<i> to distinguish, to judge.<span face="Cardo, GentiumAlt, Galilee Unicode Gk, Galatia SIL, Palatino Linotype, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="color: #001320;"><span style="background-color: white; font-size: 17px;"> </span></span></i></div><div><br /></div>Ellicott: <i>"Only two or three prophets are to speak in each assembly on each occasion; the others (not "other," as in English version) who had the gift are to sit by silent and judging, i.e., determining whether the utterances were from the Spirit of God. (See 1 Corinthians 12:3; 1 John 4:1)."<br /></i><br />Pulpit Commentary: <i>"St. Paul is not encouraging the Corinthians to the consoriousness of conceited and incompetent criticism, but only putting them on their guard against implicit acceptance of all they hear; which was a very necessary caution at a place where so many teachers sprang up."</i><div><br /></div><div>Meyer:<i> "Καὶ οἱ ἄλλοι διακρ.] and the other prophets, who do not take part in speaking, are to judge: whether, namely, what has been said proceeds really from the Spirit or not."</i></div><div><i><br /></i></div>Expositors Greek Testament:<i> “'The others' are the other prophets present, who were competent to speak (1 Corinthians 14:31); these silent prophets may employ themselves in the necessary 'discernment of spirits' (see 1 Corinthians 12:10) —διακρινέτωσαν, acting as critics of the revelations given through their brethren." </i></div><div><br /><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies, but test everything; hold fast what is good. <b>Abstain from every form of evil.</b> (1 Thessalonians 5:19-22).</span></i></div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i><br /></i></span></div><div>It is absurd to teach that we should dissect a prophecy into true parts and false parts. If <i>any part </i>of a prophecy is false, then it should be rejected as its source is <i>not</i> the Holy Spirit. False prophets introduce <i>a little leaven </i>and they put truth next to error. (Galatians 5:9). </div><div><br /></div><div><i>1. <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/1252.htm">Strong's Greek: 1252. διακρίνω (diakrinó) -- to distinguish, to judge (biblehub.com)</a></i></div></div><i>2. <a href="https://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_corinthians/14-29.htm">1 Corinthians 14:29 Commentaries: Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others pass judgment. (biblehub.com)</a></i>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-15136440153843693452024-02-20T04:19:00.000-08:002024-02-20T10:38:54.136-08:00NOT NEGLECTING TO MEET TOGETHER: THE ABUSE OF HEBREWS 10:25<i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">..<b>not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some</b>, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near. (Hebrews 10:25).</span></i><p>This post addresses the difficulty many believers experience in finding a sound church in these perilous times and the habit of false teachers to trot out Hebrews 10:25 out of context. </p><b><i>In context</i></b> verse 19 begins<i> "Therefore brothers.. </i>which is a continuation of the previous section which describes the sacrifice of Jesus Christ in contrast to the Mosaic Law. (2 Timothy 2:15).<div><br /></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus, by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful. And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near. (hebrews 10:19-25).</span></i><div><br /></div><div>It is interesting that Arthur W Pink made the distinction that<i> "not neglecting/forsaking"</i> refers to the<b> <i>total abandonment of the Christian faith.</i></b> The apostasy and severe deviations from the faith within the New Apostolic Reformation and other deviant groups more than justifies any true believer separating from such. Although I am not a Calvinist and I do not agree with Pink in many respects, his exposition of this passage may be helpful for those who have been made to feel guilty because they find it impossible to fellowship with professing Christians who follow false teachers..<b> <i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. (2 Timothy 3:5).</span></i></b><br /><p>AW Pink:<i> "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together." John Owen rightly pointed out that, "There is a synecdoche (a part put for the whole) in the word ‘assembling,’ and it is put for the whole worship of Christ, because worship was performed in their assemblies; and he that forsakes the assemblies, forsakes the worship of Christ, as some of them did when exposed to danger." What is here dehorted is the total relinquishment of Christianity. It is not "Cease not to attend the assembly," but "forsake not," abandon not the assembling of yourselves together. It is not the sin of sloth or of schism which is here considered, but that of apostasy. If a professing Christian forsook the Christian churches and became a Mohammedan he would disobey this verse; but for one who puts the honor of Christ before everything else, to turn his back upon the so-called churches where He is now so grievously dishonored, is not a failure to comply with its terms. <br /><br />The Greek word for 'Forsake not' is a very strong and emphatic one, being a double compound, and signifies 'to abandon in time of danger.' It is the word used by the agonizing Redeemer on the Cross, when He cried, "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?" It was used by Him again when He declared, "Thou wilt not leave My soul in hell, neither wilt Thou suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption" (<a href="https://www.studylight.org/study-desk.html?q1=ac+2:27&t1=eng_nas&sr=1">Acts 2:27</a> ). It is the word employed by Paul in <a href="https://www.studylight.org/study-desk.html?q1=2ti+4:10&t1=eng_nas&sr=1">2 Timothy 4:10</a> , 'Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world.' It is found in only one other place in this epistle, where it is in obvious antithesis from the verse now before us: 'He hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee' (<a href="https://www.studylight.org/study-desk.html?q1=heb+13:5&t1=eng_nas&sr=1">Hebrews 13:5</a> ). Thus it will appear that a total and final abandonment of the public profession of Christianity is what is here warned against.<br /><br />One may therefore discern how that verse 25 supplies a most appropriate link between verses 23, 24 and verse 26. Verse 25 prescribes another means to enable the wavering Hebrews to remain constant in the Christian faith. If they were to 'hold fast the confession of faith without wavering,' and if they were to 'consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works,' then they must not 'forsake the assembling' of themselves together. The word for 'assembling together' is a double compound, and occurs elsewhere in the New Testament only in <a href="https://www.studylight.org/study-desk.html?q1=2th+2:1&t1=eng_nas&sr=1">2 Thessalonians 2:1</a> : 'our gathering together unto Him,' that is unto Christ; this also shows that the 'assembling together' here is under one Head, and that the 'forsaking' is because He has been turned away from.<br /><br />To enforce the above caution, the apostle adds, 'as the manner of some is.' The Greek word for 'manner' signifies 'custom,' and is so translated in <a href="https://www.studylight.org/study-desk.html?q1=lu+2:42&t1=eng_nas&sr=1">Luke 2:42</a> . This supplies additional confirmation that the evil against which the Hebrews were dehorted was no mere occasionally absenting themselves from the Christian churches, but a deliberate, fixed and final departure from them. In <a href="https://www.studylight.org/study-desk.html?q1=joh+6:66&t1=eng_nas&sr=1">John 6:66</a> we read that 'From that time many of His disciples went back, and walked no more with Him'; John also wrote of those who 'went out from us, but they were not of us' (<a href="https://www.studylight.org/study-desk.html?q1=1jo+2:19&t1=eng_nas&sr=1">1 John 2:19</a> ); whilst at the close of his labors Paul had to say 'All they which are in Asia be turned away from me' (<a href="https://www.studylight.org/study-desk.html?q1=2ti+1:15&t1=eng_nas&sr=1">2 Timothy 1:15</a> ). So here, some who had made a profession of the Christian faith had now abandoned the same and gone back to Judaism. It was to warn the others against this fatal step that the apostle now wrote as he did compare <a href="https://www.studylight.org/study-desk.html?q1=1co+10:12&t1=eng_nas&sr=1">1 Corinthians 10:12</a> , <a href="https://www.studylight.org/study-desk.html?q1=ro+11:20&t1=eng_nas&sr=1">Romans 11:20</a>."</i></p></div><i>1. <a href="https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/awp/hebrews-10.html">Hebrews 10 - Pink's Commentary on John and Hebrews - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org</a></i>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-12999235163306781582024-02-15T04:31:00.000-08:002024-02-16T09:56:18.689-08:00EMMA STARK: SPURIOUS DISTINCTION BETWEEN "FALSE PROPHETS" AND "UNFAITHFUL PROPHETS"<p><i><b><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kqwo0I9OM0">Emma Stark Shares What May Be Coming in 2024... (youtube.com)</a></b></i></p><p>In this video self-proclaimed New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) "<i>prophets"</i> Emma Stark (<i>Global Prophetic Alliance</i>) and Alan <i>"bishop"</i> Didio (<i>Encounter Today cult</i>) defend their counterfeit version of the prophetic. </p><p>Didio: "<i>We have a baby in the bathwater mentality. People are very scared of false prophets, they are very scared of false prophecy.. How do we get past the mistakes of the past?"</i> </p><p>Although I am not a cessationist, I am not surprised that many believers have turned away from charismata given the monstrous deception of those who claim to be <i>"Apostles" </i>and<i> "prophets"</i> today. Emma Stark advocates <i>restoration </i>and <i>repentance </i>for the false prophets who have made what she refers to as <i>"mistakes"</i>. This is a gross <i>trivialization </i>of the destructive nature of false prophecy. Repentance is available to everyone of course, even presumptuous NAR false prophets. However, I have not noticed any of them either repenting or stepping down from their alleged ministries. It is critical to understand what a terrible sin false prophecy is. The only New Testament book that does not warn about false prophets is Philemon. Zechariah declares that false prophets have an<i> "unclean spirit"</i> (Zechariah 13:2). Ezekiel declares that false prophets practice <i>"divination".</i> (Ezekiel 13:23). Jeremiah declares that false prophets prophesy <i>"lies"</i> in God's name. (Jeremiah 14:14,23:25, 27:10,14-16,29:21,31 cf. Isaiah 30:10; Ezekiel 13:6,16 etc.) In the New Testament, false prophets are referred to as <i>"blots and blemishes reveling in their deception"</i> and <i>"ravenous wolves" </i>(2 Peter 2:13; Matthew 7:15). The very heart of false prophecy is the Antichrist spirit. (John 4:6; cf. Matthew 24:24). There is no evidence in either the Old or New Testament that prophets make <i>"mistakes" </i>or are<i> "false prophets by accident"</i>; rather false prophets are unregenerate deceivers who are disqualified and condemned without exception. (Romans 16:17). The Greek word for false prophets is <i>ψευδοπροφῆται,</i> transliteration <i>pseudoprophétés, </i>English <i>pseudo prophets.<span style="font-size: xx-small;">1</span> </i></p><p>Strongs: <i>"pseudēs: lying, false - Original Word: ψευδής - Transliteration: pseudēs Phonetic Spelling: (psyoo-dace') - Part of Speech: Adjective - Short Definition: lying, false - Meaning: lying, false. </i><i>Strong's Concordance false, lying - From pseudomai; untrue, i.e. Erroneous, deceitful, wicked -- false, liar."<span style="font-size: xx-small;">2</span> </i></p><p>The scriptures make a clear distinction between the<i> "dreams"</i> and "<i>imaginations" </i>of false prophets and God's authentic word.</p><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy lies in my name,</b> saying, ‘I have dreamed, I have dreamed!’ How long shall there be lies in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies, and who prophesy the deceit of their own heart, who think to make my people forget my name by their dreams that they tell one another, even as their fathers forgot my name for Baal? Let the prophet who has a dream tell the dream, but <b>let him who has my word speak my word faithfully.</b> What has straw in common with wheat? declares the LORD. Is not my word like fire, declares the LORD, and like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces? Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, declares the LORD, who steal my words from one another. <b>Behold, I am against the prophets, declares the LORD, who use their tongues and declare, ‘declares the LORD.’ Behold, I am against those who prophesy lying dreams, </b>declares the LORD, and who tell them and lead my people astray by their lies and their recklessness, when I did not send them or charge them. So they do not profit this people at all, declares the LORD. (Jeremiah 23:25-32 cf. Jeremiah 16:12). </span></i></div><div><br /></div><div>Poole:<i> "..but if any man hath dreamed an ordinary dream, let him tell it as a dream; let him not entitle God to it. <b>And he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully;</b> and let him to whom I have revealed my will publish and declare that in all truth and faithfulness, not adding his own fancies or dreams to it, <a href="https://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/2-17.htm">2 Corinthians 2:17</a> <a href="https://biblehub.com/1_peter/2-2.htm">1 Peter 2:2</a>, not corrupting my word."<span style="font-size: xx-small;">3</span> </i></div><div><i><br /></i></div><div>Zechariah describes the false prophets who survive<i> "the day of the Lord" </i>who barely escape with their lives.<i><br /></i><div><p><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">And on that day, declares the LORD of hosts, I will cut off the names of the idols from the land, so that they shall be remembered no more. <b>And also I will remove from the land the prophets and the spirit of uncleanness. </b>And if anyone again prophesies, his father and mother who bore him will say to him, ‘You shall not live, for you speak lies in the name of the LORD.’ And his father and mother who bore him shall pierce him through when he prophesies. “On that day every prophet will be ashamed of his vision when he prophesies. He will not put on a hairy cloak in order to deceive, but he will say, ‘I am no prophet, I am a worker of the soil, for a man sold me in my youth. (Zechariah 13:2-5 cf. Z</span></i><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">echariah 12:3-4,6,8-9,11).</span></i></p><p><b><i>Blackest darkness is reserved for false prophets </i></b></p><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain and abandoned themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam’s error and perished in Korah’s rebellion. These are hidden reefs at your love feasts, as they feast with you without fear, shepherds feeding themselves; waterless clouds, swept along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted; wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, <b>for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever.</b> (Jude 1:11-13 cf. 2 Peter 2:17).</span></i><br /><br />Emma Stark has decided to make a spurious distinction between<i> "false prophets"</i> and "<i>unfaithful prophets".</i> Emma Stark: <i>"False prophets are in bed with Jezebel out to destroy the church.. I don't think most of the prophets that you and I work with have that mind, that ugly ugly nonsense, you know heretical mindset of the destruction of the church, so let's push that to one side.." </i>The scriptures <i>never </i>make a distinction between "<i>false prophets" </i>and "<i>unfaithful prophets"</i>! Satan's devices are subtle and deceptive!</div><div><br /></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. (2 Corinthians 11:13-14).</span></i><div><p>False prophets who attempt to give themselves a pass for their alleged "<i>mistakes" </i>are in grave error and they should not continue as <i>"prophets".</i> Within the NAR almost everyone wants to be a <i>"prophet"</i> and they are even willing to pay for the title! Interestingly those <i>genuinely </i>called to the office in the Old Testament were often reluctant prophets e.g. Jeremiah 1:6; Amos 7:14; Exodus 4:10; Judges 6:17; Jonah 1:1-3. Emma Stark speaks in terms of <i>"prophets"</i> being 20, 40, 60, and 80-watt lightbulbs. In other words, within the deceptive NAR world, prophets will never prophesy anything that is error-free. Emma Stark makes a puny attempt to substantiate this by alluding to 1 Corinthians 13:9: <i>"we only see in part".</i> If Emma Stark's eisegesis is correct, then the Old Testament prophets and Jesus' apostles made<i> "mistakes"</i> but we know that the scriptures are inerrant. (2 Peter 1:21; 2 Timothy 3:16).</p><p><b><i>In context.</i>.</b> this passage does not give anyone carte blanche to claim that prophecy is inaccurate. </p><p><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass a</span></i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i>way.<b> For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial (mer'-os) will pass away. </b>When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up</i></span><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"> childish ways. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. <b>Now I know in part </b></span></i><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>(mer'-os)</b></span></i><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known. (1 Corinthians 13:8-12).</span></i><br /></p><p>The definition of the Greek word <i><b>mer'-os </b>=<b> </b></i><b style="font-style: italic;">a part, share, portion.</b><i><span style="font-size: xx-small;">4</span></i> A prophetic word cannot be <i>"imperfect"</i> or <i>"inaccurate"</i> since the very source of prophecy is God Himself whose words are flawless. (Proverbs 30:5; Psalm 12:6,18:30).</p><div>It is not for<i> "20-watt lightbulb prophets"</i>, or anyone else for that matter, to<i> "have a go"</i> or <i>"experiment"</i> with prophecy. Much less the scriptures do not give anyone the go-ahead to use their <i>"creativity"</i> and <i>"practice" </i>the gift of prophecy - God forbid! Jeremiah was an inexperienced youth when the Lord called Him. If the Lord had put <i><b>His words in the mouths </b></i>of NAR <i>"prophets"</i> they would by definition be accurate!</div><div><br /></div><div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>Then I said, “Ah, Lord GOD! Behold, I do not know how to speak, for I am only a youth.” But the LORD said to me, “Do not say, ‘I am only a youth’;</b> for to all to whom I send you, you shall go,</span></i></div><p><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">and whatever I command you, you shall speak. Do not be afraid of them, for I am with you to deliver you, declares the LORD.” Then the LORD put out his hand and touched my mouth. <b>And the LORD said to me, “Behold, I have put my words in your mouth. </b>See, I have set you this day over nations and over kingdoms, to pluck up and to break down, to destroy and to overthrow, to build and to plant.” (Jeremiah 1:6-10 cf. Isaiah 6:6-8).</span></i> </p><div>The New Testament is unequivocal, believers should <b><i>mark and avoid </i></b>false prophets. </div><div><br /><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the LORD has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22).</span></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /></span></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; <b>avoid them</b>. (Romans 16:17).</span></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /></span></i></div><div><div><b><i>Confusing prayer with prophecy? </i></b></div><br />The fact that false prophets do not know the difference between prayer and prophecy is further evidence that they are ignorant and unqualified. Emma Stark: <i>"..be diligent enough in care of peoples lives to not promise what God is not saying... These are lives.. How dare we ravage the sheep with thoughtless words because we didn't hold ourselves to a biblical standard.. I am going to stand before the judgement seat of God one day and He is going to say 'I never said that'.." </i>These "<i>fine words"</i> give Emma Stark the <i>appearance</i> of credibility. The passage she refers to makes it clear these charlatans will receive <b><i>much more than a rebuke </i>-</b> <b><i>eternity itself is at stake! </i></b></div><div><i style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /></i></div><div><b><i style="color: #2b00fe;">Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ (</i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Matthew 7:22- 23). </span></b></div><div><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div><div>Emma Stark: <i>"I think that the dominant atmosphere of the church is the atmosphere of Antichrist.. because our default setting/behaviour is accusation, betrayal, offense, heresy hunting, put on trial mindsets, inquisition, task forces under the guise of a misapplication of Matthew 18. Now that we all nod and smile is the standard protocol, that is not the standard protocol of Christ, whose love covers, who is slow to anger, who says in Corinthians 'and now regard no one from a worldly point of view'.. So you are layering these Christ scriptures, and we find that we make Church deeply unsafe because we are Antichrist in culture.." </i></div></div><div><i><br /></i></div>In other words, according the Emma Stark, those who practice the spiritual gift of "<i>distinguishing between spirits" </i>and warn against false prophets are "<i>Antichrist in culture"</i>. (1 Corinthians 12:10; 1 John 4:1). This distorted view of Christ promotes "<i>love"</i> without truth and disregards the repeated warnings about <i>false christs and false prophets</i> in the scriptures. (Matthew 24:24; 2 Peter 1:15 etc.). We must see evidence of genuine repentance before<i> "fervent charity"</i> can be extended towards false prophets. </div><div><br /></div><div>The remainder of this video is full of various aspects of NAR <i>"prophetic"</i> nonsense that I will not address in this post. </div><i><br />1. <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/5578.htm">Strong's Greek: 5578. ψευδοπροφήτης (pseudoprophétés) -- a false prophet (biblehub.com)</a><br />2. <a href="https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/strongs-number-G5571/#:~:text=STRONGS%20NT%205571%3A%20%CF%88%CE%B5%CF%85%CE%B4%CE%AE%CF%82%20%CF%88%CE%B5%CF%85%CE%B4%CE%AE%CF%82%2C%20%CF%88%CE%B5%CF%85%CE%B4%CE%AD%CF%82%20%28%CF%88%CE%B5%CF%8D%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B9%29%2C%20from,liars%29%2C%20Revelation%2021%3A8%20%28here%20Lachmann%20%CF%88%CE%B5%CF%8D%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82%2C%20which%20see%29.">STRONGS NUMBER G5571 (kingjamesbibleonline.org)</a><br />3. <a href="https://biblehub.com/commentaries/poole/jeremiah/23.htm">Jeremiah 23 Matthew Poole's Commentary (biblehub.com)</a></i><div><div>4. <a href="https://biblehub.com/lexicon/1_corinthians/13-12.htm"><i>1 Corinthians 13:12 Lexicon: For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. (biblehub.com)</i></a> </div></div></div>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com7tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-4009870598806747352024-02-09T06:35:00.000-08:002024-02-10T02:12:07.966-08:00ONE CHURCH LEICESTER: DEEP CONCERNS<div style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd_PMvDDo3U&t=67s">One Church Announcement (youtube.com)</a></div><div style="text-align: center;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: center;"><iframe allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/nd_PMvDDo3U?si=dmUEb9uIr20HSStI" title="YouTube video player" width="560"></iframe></div><p><i><b>Find a watchtower - really? </b></i></p><p>In November 2021, God allegedly spoke to David and Susan Hind through a <i>"prophecy"</i> to <i>'"Come up higher, find a watchtower, give everything to Him, and He would speak to us." </i>They relate that in January 2022 they found a small mountain with a watchtower at the top, climbed it, knelt down, and told Jesus we were available. According to the Hinds, God confirmed that it was time for Trinity Life Church (TLC ) and All Nations Church Leicester (ANCL) to join together. Problematically for the Hinds, the Lord would not have indicated that any true congregation join with NAR-infested ANCL. Only another similar apostate group would have considered such an ungodly association. In January 2023 the Hinds knelt down once again in the same watchtower, and they claim that God put his confirmation on the renovations for the One Centre. In January 2024 they climbed the mountain yet again, and they claim that God spoke to them for the third time at this location. There are some very serious issues with this story. Apart from anything else, it reveals that David and Susan Hind are the exclusive decision-makers concerning the future of One Church, and that no elders, or anyone else for that matter, are involved in the process. It seems that all they have to do is play the <i>"God spoke to me"</i> card. In a bona fide church, the proper thing to have done would be to gather together corporately with the elders and seek the Lord's guidance. </p><p>I find it highly questionable that the Lord would direct any believer to go to a particular place to pray, to seek Him, and to hear from Him. The New Testament informs us that the Holy Spirit dwells within believers. (1 Corinthians 6:19). Christians are free to pray anywhere and at any time. (Matthew 18:20). In the Old Testament legitimate sacrifice was limited exclusively to the Jerusalem Temple. However, the Israelites often worshipped illegitimately at <i><b>"high places" </b></i>which were situated on on elevated ground and were dedicated to idol worship. God condemned this practice repeatedly. (Deuteronomy 12:2; Numbers 33:52; Leviticus 26:30; 1 Kings 14:22-24; 2 Kings 12:3, 14:4,15:4,35,23:5 etc.) These sites were eventually destroyed during King Josiah's reforms. (2 Kings 23:1-20). Once again the Hinds cause great concern with their <i>"words from the Lord". </i>It is very ominous that they should act upon an alleged prophecy to find a watchtower at a <i><b>high place</b></i>! Even worse,<i> if that is possible,</i> of all the sites they could have chosen for this heathenish act, Holyhead Mountain on Anglesey with its strong Druidic connections, is no place to perform an ostensibly<i> "Christian ritual".</i> Mona (Anglesey) was the headquarters of the Druids between 100BC and 60AD.<i> Holyhead Mountain (Welsh Mynydd Twr, from mynydd 'mountain, unenclosed land' and twr 'a heap, pile') is the highest point on Anglesey.<span style="font-size: xx-small;">1 </span></i>Mynydd Twr was likely the Druids most <i>"holy"</i> site where they performed human sacrifices and other unspeakable atrocities.<span face="Amgueddfa Body, Arial, sans-serif" style="color: #555555;"><span style="font-size: 19.6px;"> </span></span>The use of a crystal ball to foretell the future is attributed to the Druids.<i><span style="font-size: xx-small;">2</span></i> The Druid presence on the Island of Anglesey even shocked and repulsed the barbaras Romans.</p><div>Ancient Origins: <i>"To the Romans, who first encountered these native holy men during Julius Caesar’s skirmish in 55 BC, the religion, gods, and practices, including human sacrifice, were abhorrent, yet it would take over a hundred years for them to crush the sacred Druidic home and bring an end to their wicked traditions during the conquest of Anglesey."<span style="font-size: xx-small;"> 3</span></i></div><div><i><br /></i>Museum.wales: <i>"A number of sources describe the druids as performing human sacrifice. Places of worship were described as isolated wooded groves and near sacred pools and lakes. According to one source, the druidic groves on Mona (Anglesey) had the blood of prisoners drenched upon their altars..</i><div><i>The druids have long been associated with Anglesey in popular imagination. The historical evidence upon which this association is based is an account by the Roman author Tacitus, who wrote of the Roman conquest of Anglesey:</i></div><div><i><br /></i></div><div><i>'On the beach stood the adverse array [of Britons], a serried mass of arms and men, with women flitting between the ranks. In the style of Furies, in robes of deathly black and with disheveled hair, they brandished their torches; while a circle of Druids, lifting their hands to heaven and showering imprecations, struck the troops with such an awe at the extraordinary spectacle that, as though their limbs were paralysed, they exposed their bodies to wounds without an attempt at movement. Then, reassured by their general, and inciting each other never to flinch before a band of females and fanatics, they charged behind the standards, cut down all who met them, and enveloped the enemy in his own flames. The next step was to install a garrison among the conquered population, and to demolish the groves consecrated to their savage cults; for they considered it a pious duty to slake the altars with captive blood and to consult their deities by means of human entrails.' (Translated by John Jackson, published by William Heinemann, 1951).<span style="font-size: xx-small;">4</span> </i></div><div><i><br /></i><div><div><i><b>The site model or the Acts Model?</b></i></div><div><div><br /></div><div>The Apostle Paul set the blueprint that God has laid down for <i><b>every </b></i>church. The churches set up by the Apostle Paul were autonomous congregations where a plurality of elders were appointed. (Acts 6:3-6, 14:23; Titus 1:5). This was done for a reason! Autonomy helps to prevent abusive leadership and the spread of error. We have seen the results of various non-biblical models such as Willow Creek (Bill Hybels), Hillsong (Brian Houston), Mars Hill (Mark Driscoll), Jesus Army (Noel Stanton), IHOP (Mike Bickle) etc. Unhealthy and damaging consequences occur when churches are led by one man, <i>or in this case one couple, which in itself is unbiblical</i>. (1 Timothy 2:12). Those who claim that God has shown them differently are going explicitly against His blueprint. </div><div><br /></div>Bible Questions:<i>“These churches, whenever formed, became separate and independent bodies, competent to appoint their own officers and to administer their own government without reference to subordination to any central authority or foreign power. No fact connected with the history of these primitive churches is more fully established or more generally conceded, so that the discussion of it need not be renewed at this place” -Lyman Coleman, Ancient Christianity Exemplified, pg. 95)."</i><span style="font-size: xx-small;">5</span><i> </i><div><br /></div><div>Susan Hind: <i>"We felt Him tell us again that He is pleased with us.. His favour is with us.. and we were reminded that He will always lead us along the right path..<b> We also felt the Father bring us back to the original vision of sites which was a larger tent with many smaller tents surrounding it..</b>"</i></div></div><div><div><br /></div><div>The criteria for any prophecy is:<i><b> Does it align with the written word? </b></i>The scriptures <i><b>always</b></i> take precedence over any alleged verbal prophecy or <i>"word"</i> from the Lord. <span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i>Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. (1 Corinthians 14:29 cf. 1 John 4:1).</i></span></div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i><br /></i></span></div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b style="color: black;"><i>In their own name.. by their own authority!</i></b></span></div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b style="color: black;"><i><br /></i></b></span></div><div>The word that Susan and David Hind received regarding their church model <b><i>is not</i> </b>a prophecy from the Lord. I know firsthand that I am not the only person to have challenged them about this. However, they have chosen to ignore both the scriptures and the counsel of godly people. This false prophecy also invalidates Susan's further <i>"prophecies"</i> regarding an airplane and Isaiah 60:17-18 which forms part of a millennial passage that <i>does not </i>apply to the Church Age. In essence, the Hinds have decided how <b><i>they</i> </b>want to do things. (1 Samuel 15:20-22). This is a recipe for disaster! God's favour rests upon those who <i>obey </i>His Word. The Hinds are self-promoters and proven false prophets who blatantly flout the scriptures.</div><div><div><br /></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>..the prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule at their direction</b>; my people love to have it so, but what will you do when the end comes? (Jeremiah 5:31 cf. Jeremiah 14:14,29:24).</span></i><div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i><br /></i></span></div>I remain very concerned about the Hinds illicit ministry and the way that they lurch from one ungodly scheme to another. These two false prophets should be marked and avoided. (Romans 16:17; 2 Timothy 3:13).</div></div></div></div></div></div><div><br /></div><div><b><i>Eternity is at stake!</i></b></div><div><br /></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ (Matthew 7:21-23).<br /></b></span></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b><br /></b></span></i></div><i>1. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holyhead_Mountain#:~:text=At%20722%20feet%20%28220%20m%29%2C%20it%20is%20the,Caer%20y%20Twr%20%28%27the%20fort%20of%20the%20pile%2Fheap%27%29.">Holyhead Mountain - Wikipedia</a> <br />2. <a href="https://historicalarchivemagazine.com/index.php/2023/06/27/where-did-the-crystal-balls-come-from/">Where did the crystal balls come from? – Historical Archive (historicalarchivemagazine.com)</a> <br />3. <a href="https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-important-events/anglesey-druids-0016639">The Conquest of Anglesey and the Destruction of Druidism’s Last Stronghold | Ancient Origins (ancient-origins.net)</a><br />4. <a href="https://museum.wales/">https://museum.wales/</a><br />5. <a href="https://www.biblequestions.org/bqar915.html">The Local Church and its Autonomy (biblequestions.org)</a></i>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-15355127496462844272024-02-04T04:34:00.000-08:002024-02-04T11:44:14.787-08:00DR MICHAEL BROWN'S LETHAL DOUBLESPEAK: WITCH DOCTOR PROPHETS<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eYEEiMhR-g"><i><b>Enough Already with the Trump Prophecies! (youtube.com)</b></i></a></p><p>In the above video, Michael Brown voices his deep concern about the failed Trump prophecies of 2020 and he complains that many<i> "prophets"</i> have not recognized or admitted their failure or taken accountability. Even after Trump lost the election in November 2020, many self-appointed false prophets persisted in their folly. They claimed that the election result would be overturned - they were '<i>courageously holding onto truth against all the odds'</i>, and they urged their followers to do the same. In some cases, they issued threats to anyone who dared to question them. False prophets behave as though it is a given that they are <i>“God’s anointed” </i>and they misuse the verse "<i>touch not my anointed'"</i> (1 Chronicles 16:22 cf. 1 Samuel 26:9-11; Psalm 105:15). These threats often have the effect of instilling fear into the hearts of anyone who opposes them, since to question the authority of the prophets is tantamount to disobeying God Himself! This is wicked wicked behaviour! False prophets represent themselves as unaccountable and untouchable and they orchestrate things in such a way that they are at liberty to continue in their falsehood unrestrained and free from scrutiny. (1 John 4:1). The sheer number of false prophets and their unholy NAR network gives them the appearance of credibility. (John 7:24). There is nothing new under the sun. (Jeremiah 6:13). When their prophecies fail they simply adapt them. For instance, Kat Kerr predicted a<i> "landslide victory" </i>for Trump. Afterward, she blamed her audience for misunderstanding her meaning. These "<i>prophets</i>" refuse to be held to account, even when their <i>"prophecies"</i> utterly collapse! It is like nailing jelly to a wall. </p><div><div>Christianity Today:<i> "On the morning of November 4, as the country woke up to the news that Joe Biden was in the lead, Jeremiah Johnson sent out a 'prophetic warning' to his mailing list, saying he and a 'chorus of mature and tested prophets' were in agreement: Trump had won."</i><i><span style="font-size: xx-small;">1</span></i></div><div><br /><div><div>Jeremiah Johnson: <i>"I'm prophetically warning you: This is the hour to fast, pray, and stand in agreement with what the prophets have accurately prophesied: Donald J. Trump will win re-election."</i><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>2</i></span></div><div><br /></div><div>Jeremiah Johnson: "<i>They should not apologize. In fact, in the coming weeks many of them will be harassed and slandered. It will be nothing more than a Satanic attack to rattle them and challenge the faith of the people of God."<span style="font-size: xx-small;">2</span></i></div><div><i><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><br /></span></i></div><div>Subsequently, Johnson climbed down, admitted that he was wrong, publicly apologized, and brought his ministry to an end. However, his absence from<i> "ministry"</i> was short-lived! Two months later he founded another ministry called <i>The Ark Fellowship Church </i>and <i>The Ark Global Movement</i>. <span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>3</i></span><i> </i>Johnson continues to promote "<i>prophetic dreams" </i>and other such nonsense.<i><span style="font-size: xx-small;">4</span> </i></div><div><i><br /></i></div>Kris Vallotton (Senior Associate Leader of Bethel Church Redding):<i>“I was wrong. I take full responsibility for being wrong. There's no excuse for it. <b>I think it doesn't make me a false prophet, but it does actually create a credibility gap. </b>And a lot of people trust me, trust my ministry and I want to say I'm very sorry for everyone who put their trust in me,” </i>Paradoxically and absurdly, making a false prophecy doesn't make someone a false prophet according to Vallotton! Vallotton later removed his video and backtracked on his apology.<span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>5</i></span> </div><div><div><br /></div><div>Michael Brown:<i> "Either you are right or you are wrong. Either you are courageously holding on to truth when everything is against you, are courageous in your faith and it's going to pan out, and in January.. whatever the date of the inauguration when Trump is inaugurated, we are going to say 'Wow you held strong and we honor you'. I said if you're wrong we're not going to throw you under the bus you need to be humble.."</i></div><div><br /><div>Following the inauguration of Biden, Brown condemned the unholy antics of the false prophets who doubled down and continued to prophesy that Trump would take office:<i> "This is garbage, this is outrageous and drivel, this brings reproach to the name of Jesus it brings reproach to the things of the Spirit it makes all charismatics look bad and it taints Christians in general who voted for Trump because you all get blamed for this nonsense.. those putting it forth need to grow up </i><i>and wake up and repent and stop dishonoring the Holy Spirit and stop dishonoring the name of Jesus.. </i><i>there's egg on our face because of all the failed and false prophecies.."</i></div><div><i><br /></i></div><div><i><b>Brown's warning to the false prophets</b></i></div><div><br /></div><div>Brown: <i>"We are in a big crisis still. It was a big mess, there was a lot of presumption a lot of error, a lot of deception, a lot of sin, and very little accountability and very little repentance.. </i><i>Many Believers are experiencing a crisis of faith right now who'll be there to pick up the pieces? How could all the prophets be wrong to the extent that you urged your hearers to hold on to the very end. To that extent, you are responsible for bringing them to this point of crisis. Worse still, some of you issued prophetic threats to those who questioned your words, telling them they had to believe the prophets or else, and you did this while claiming to speak directly for God. The Lord does not take it lightly when his people are abused like this and He will hold you responsible for misrepresenting Him.. One woman who falsely claims to be a prophet said that God had been making a list noting who was listening to the prophets and who was not, and she gave this on a major prophetic network.. <b>Paul writes in 1 </b></i><i><b>Corinthians 14 that all believers, and he never rescinded this, this remains a command today that all of us should earnestly pursue the spiritual gifts especially prophecy that was never rescinded.. </b></i><i>I believe if the Spirit is saying anything about Trump and prophecy the word is 'stop with the Trump prophecies already we should have learned from the debacle in 2020.'"</i></div></div><div><br /></div><div>If the instruction that spiritual gifts (including the gift of prophecy) have not been rescinded (1 Corinthians 14:1), <i><b>then neither has the instruction to reject false prophets been rescinded!</b></i> Every single New Testament book, apart from Philemon, warns against, denounces, condemns, and rejects false prophets: Matthew 7:15-20,24:11,24; Luke 6:26; 1 Timothy 6:3-5; 2 Peter 2:1; 1 John 4:1; Jude 1:12-13 etc. </div><div><br /></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>These men are hidden reefs in your love feasts, shamelessly feasting with you but shepherding only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried along by the wind; fruitless trees in autumn, twice dead after being uprooted. They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever. (Jude 1:12-13).</b></span></i><div><div><br /><div><b><i>Michael Brown's doublespeak</i></b></div></div><div><br /></div><div>Following his stern rebuke, inexplicably Brown goes on to affirm these charlatans as authentic prophets despite their terrible track record of failed prophecies, despite the fact that they have taken the Lord's name in vain, despite damage to the body of Christ, and despite bringing the gospel into disrepute. Brown's distinction between Old Testament prophets and <i>"contemporary prophetic ministry" </i>is indefensible. Brown's appeal <i>"lets fix it together", </i>is not only unbiblical, it obviously has not worked since these wolves continue on their ungodly course unabated. </div><div><br /></div><div><div>Brown:<i> "..if you are one of those who say the Bible is my authority, well Paul explicitly says categorically, as an exhortation, as a command, to earnestly seek spiritual gifts, especially that you can prophesy. He says 'I would that you all prophesy' He says 'it's great to speak in tongues, but I would that you all prophesy' ..It's an exhortation, 'earnestly seek to prophesy and don't forbid tongues'. That's what Paul wrote, so that's a mandate to me. But then he says later in that same chapter, in chapter 14, 'two or three prophets should speak and the others should weigh carefully what is said'. In other words, in the New Testament, it's not a matter of the death penalty for say a prophet who is a national leader who speaks presumptuously, this is not even an innocent mistake. He speaks presumptuously and gives a word that God is not spoken, or he speaks in the name of other gods, it's not an innocent mistake. This is what Satan says 'oh I made a mistake I meant to say Jesus'. No this is not an innocent mistake this is presumption,<b> this is the sin of presumption. There was a death penalty for that. We're not talking about that now in the New Testament. We're not talking about a false prophet misleading the people that needs to be rebuked and excommunicated. </b>That would be the equivalent in the New Testament for the death penalty. For example, under the Old Testament Law, under the Sinai Covenant, if someone commits adultery they would be put to death. In the New Testament if it's a believer who commits adultery and they don't repent they're excommunicated, they're put out. <b>So we're not talking about some false prophet that we we recognize as false and say you're not even a true believer, or someone that refuses to repent of their false prophecies so we excommunicate them.. </b>In 1 Thessalonians 5, Paul says 'don't despise prophecies'. That means there's going to be something about prophecies that could be despised - sounds silly, these people are emotional, sometimes they get things wrong. Whatever it would be, Paul says don't despise them. Their language sounds strange, no don't despise prophecies, test everything hold fast to that which is good and don't put out the Spirit's fire. So its very plain, don't put out the Spirit's fire, don't quench what the Holy Spirit is doing, Don't do that, don't throw out the baby with the bath water - we got burned we're going to reject everything.. </i><span style="color: red;">None of this waffle is biblical!</span> </div></div><div><i><br /></i></div><div><i><b>The wrong question: Are they well-intended?</b></i></div></div></div><br /></div><div>Was Hananiah <i>"well-intended"</i> when he prophesied falsely in the house of the Lord? (Jeremiah 28:1-17). </div><div>Was Uzzah<i> "well-intended" </i>when he put forth his hand to the ark of God and took hold of it? (2 Samuel 6:6).</div><div><br /></div><div>Asking whether a <i>"prophet"</i> is "<i>well-intended"</i> is the wrong question. (Isaiah 55:8; Jeremiah 17:9; Hebrews 4:12). The right questions are: </div><div>What is the source of their prophecy?</div><div>Do their prophesies pass the test of scripture? (1 John 4:1). </div><div><br /></div><div><i><b>False prophets are witch doctors!</b></i></div><div><i><br /></i></div><div>Jeremiah describes false prophets using <b><i>divination</i></b>: Jeremiah 14:14, 27:9, 29:8; Ezekiel 13:6, 22:28; Revelation 19:20. </div><div><br /></div><div>The New Testament instructs believers to mark and avoid false prophets:</div><div><br /></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. (Romans 16:17 cf. 1 Timothy 6:3-4).</span></i><div><br /></div><div>Although Brown appears to be very <i>reasonable </i>in human terms, his words are worthless. During the last few minutes of this video, he reveals his utterly flawed view of the gift of prophecy.</div><div><br /><div>Brown: <b>"<i>We're not talking about someone who refuses to repent and so we excommunicate them, we're not talking about that." </i></b><span style="color: red;">We are precisely talking about that!</span></div><div><i><b>"..We're talking about believers who are trying to hear what the Spirit is saying, and one says this, and another says this, other says this. Now okay let's discern carefully what's the Lord saying in this, alright? </b> ..<b>these people are emotional sometimes they get things wrong whatever it would be, Paul says don't despise them."</b></i></div><div><br /></div><div>There is no distinction either in the Old Testament or the New Testament between those who <i>get a bit emotional</i>, <i>those who get carried away</i>, <i>those who make a genuine mistake, </i>and <i>those who speak presumptuously</i>. The Trump fiasco should have been a huge wake-up call for millions of Christians. Believers should reject everything that comes from the mouths of proven false prophets! While gullible people continue to support these wolves nothing will change. (Jeremiah 5:31).</div></div></div><div><br /></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>And the LORD said to me: “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I did not send them, nor did I command them or speak to them. They are prophesying to you a lying vision, worthless divination, and the deceit of their own minds. (Jeremiah 14:14).</b></span></i><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b><br /></b></span></i></div><i>1. <a href="https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/july-august/trump-prophets-election-jeremiah-johnson-reckoning-charisma.html">‘How Could All the Prophets Be Wrong About Trump?’ | Christianity Today</a><br />2. <a href="https://www.facebook.com/KingdomAwakeningMinistries/photos/a.570085986397661/4619215408151345/?type=3&source=48&paipv=0&eav=AfY0lsMhKNM3IQHfefeh-UzewOCsliSnSA_jeJtEXgtMribUUzFZIY1tM0B5tCAroOo&_rdr">Facebook</a> <br />3. <a href="https://www.christianpost.com/news/jeremiah-johnson-dumps-ministry-name-for-new-one.html">Jeremiah Johnson dumps ministry name for new one | Church & Ministries News (christianpost.com)</a> <br />4. <a href="https://www.jeremiahjohnson.tv/dreams/">Dreams - Jeremiah Johnson</a> <br />5. <a href="https://www.christianpost.com/news/bethels-kris-vallotton-says-apologized-too-soon-for-prediction.html">Bethel's Kris Vallotton says apologized too soon for prediction | Church & Ministries News (christianpost.com)</a></i> Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-77072868848673100572024-01-29T05:51:00.000-08:002024-01-30T03:16:38.076-08:00J JOHN @ ONE CHURCH LEICESTER: IS JESUS EVEN IN THE CAR?<div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZgaDtaV0MM&t=6748s"><i><b>ONE CHURCH TOGETHER, with J.John (28.01.24, 11.30am) (youtube.com)</b></i></a></div><i><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><div><i><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /></span></b></i></div> Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation— (1 Peter 2:2).</span></b></i><div><br /></div><div>J John is described by One Church as <i>"a world-renowned speaker, author and evangelist". </i>This event at One Church was comparable to the Billy Graham Crusades. It is estimated that Billy Graham preached to more than 200 million people during his crusades with a significant number of <i>"converts"</i>. However, when Billy Graham held his crusades, he had a pre-agreement with the Roman Catholic church and other false denominations to allow new converts to attend their churches for <i>"discipleship".</i> The RCC teaches the fatal compromise of faith <i><b>plus </b></i>tradition. In other words, <i>responders </i>or <i>converts </i>were sent straight into the hands of Satan. Without true understanding and a solid foundation, Satan will snatch away what has been sown in the heart. (Matthew 13:19, 7:24-27). There is much more to be said about Billy Graham's Satanic compromise. (see further links). </div><div><br /></div><div><b><i>J John has much in common with Billy Graham</i></b></div><div><div><i><br /></i></div><div>The critical thing that One Church failed to mention is J John's lethal compromise with the false gospel of Roman Catholicism. (2 Corinthians 11:4). The English Fundamentalist describes J John's betrayal of the gospel: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_cVSxEIGHs&t=141s"><i>J John Facing the Canon Exposed - False teacher of Church Apostasy (youtube.com)</i></a><i> </i></div><div><div><br /></div><div>J John is an Honorary Canon of The Order of St Leonard.<i><span style="font-size: xx-small;"> </span></i>Rob Thomas<i> (watchman4wales)</i> has carried out extensive eye-opening research on The Order of St Leonard: <a href="https://watchman4wales.blogspot.com/search/label/Order%20of%20St.%20Leonard"><i>APOSTASY, ERROR & DECEPTION IN WALES - the watchman4wales blog.: Order of St. Leonard</i></a></div><div><br /></div></div><div>J John:<i> "I would imagine, for many of us here.. He (Jesus) is already in the car of our lives. Ok, so He's in.. Where is He? Do you drive your car to church, unlock the boot, get Jesus out for religious happy hour? ..Some people have got Jesus on the back seat, a bit of a passenger. Some people have got Him in the front passenger seat.. a companion. Some people have got Jesus in the driving seat.. I have got one more question for you. Are you a backseat driver? ..How do we know He is in the driving seat?" </i></div><div><i> </i></div><div><i><b>If you are ecumenical Jesus Christ is not in the car!</b></i></div><div><br /></div><div>Biblically<i><b> anyone</b></i> who compromises with the false gospel of Roman Catholicism (ecumenism) and the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) stands in opposition to the gospel of Jesus Christ.</div><div><i><b><br /></b></i></div><div><b><i>Salvation is by grace through faith plus nothing! </i></b></div><div><br /></div><div><b><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9).</span></i></b></div><div><br /></div><div><div>My hope and prayer is that anyone who <i>genuinely</i> responded to J John's message will grow in the true faith <i>once for all delivered to the saints</i>. (Jude 1:3-4). </div><div><br /></div></div><div><b><i>Further Links</i></b></div><i><br /><a href="https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/search/label/Billy%20Graham">WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: Billy Graham (bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com)</a><br /><a href="http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/graham.html">More Bewildering Statements From Billy Graham (deceptioninthechurch.com)</a><br /><a href="https://www.apprising.org/2009/11/25/the-roman-catholic-church-preaches-a-different-gospel/">THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH PREACHES A DIFFERENT GOSPEL : Apprising Ministries</a></i></div>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-58919418566045517042024-01-27T06:30:00.000-08:002024-01-27T06:30:00.127-08:00DANIEL LONG THE WARTBURG CASTLE: WILLFULLY IGNORANT OR CATASTROPHICALLY CONFUSED?<p><i><b> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwhVjv-axy0">The Necessity of Grace (youtube.com)</a></b></i></p><i><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;">For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God.. (Ephesians 2:8).</span></b></i><div><br /></div><div>How tragic that Confessional Lutheran Daniel Long has missed the very essence of the gospel. Long continues in the heresy that<i> "other things"</i> are salvific apart from grace through faith. This heresy is just as lethal as the false doctrines he exposes on <i>LongforTruth1. </i>In this video, Long continues to promote this diabolical doctrine by quoting parts of Franz Pieper's <i>Christian Dogmatics.</i></div><div><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjtjhvXPK2IEy7211DEBntxdNCUbr0bST3V09kQ3Oqzq4cT_71YF3-mv_XczYug0OmLvVkYEoNsnk4-nM9QqdBrHQzF-rGzjAh6ZP3iZdmDvirm8RlK1-Dugc-IOLJ8w0baukIMFgfdGybDCi2LL9ePKFbzOv2T2__Fj5_Pho7-CfRFAkMlSogqdze_Ii0/s366/daniel%20long..%20quotation.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="243" data-original-width="366" height="424" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjtjhvXPK2IEy7211DEBntxdNCUbr0bST3V09kQ3Oqzq4cT_71YF3-mv_XczYug0OmLvVkYEoNsnk4-nM9QqdBrHQzF-rGzjAh6ZP3iZdmDvirm8RlK1-Dugc-IOLJ8w0baukIMFgfdGybDCi2LL9ePKFbzOv2T2__Fj5_Pho7-CfRFAkMlSogqdze_Ii0/w640-h424/daniel%20long..%20quotation.png" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: start;">Franz Pieper's </span><i style="text-align: start;">Christian Dogmatics.</i></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div>Pieper: <i>"When describing the way of salvation, Scripture indeed mentions<b> other things</b> besides the grace of God in Christ. It declares, for example, that the gospel <b>and </b>baptism save.." </i></div><div><i><br /></i></div><div>It is a grievous error to depend upon <i>"other things" </i>besides the grace of God in Christ for salvation. Any interpretation that <i>adds </i>water baptism, the Lord's Supper, or <i>"Holy Absolution" </i>as salvific has compromised the very gospel itself! </div><div><br /></div><div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.<b> Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience</b>, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him. (1 Peter 3:18-21).. </span></i></div><br />Baptism <i><b>corresponds to </b></i>i.e. it is an antitype of the flood waters which physically saved Noah and his family. Prior to the flood, Noah is described as<span style="color: #2b00fe;"> -<i> a righteous man, blameless in his generation. Noah walked with God.</i></span><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"> (Genesis 6:9). </span></i>Baptism is - <i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">an appeal to God for a good conscience. </span></i></div><div><br /></div><div>Long: <i>"We have to distinguish between <b>how </b>we receive God's grace, and <b>how</b> God delivers his grace to us, how He gets his grace to us. God delivers his grace to us through means. We always receive God's grace by faith.. <b>God has multiple ways</b>.. the main way is the preached word, <b>but baptism is also a way that God delivers his grace to us the Lord's Supper is another way God delivers his grace to us and Holy Absolution is another way God delivers his grace to us.. </b>16:30 mark..</i></div><div><div><i><br /></i></div></div><div>The New Testament clearly and repeatedly states that salvation comes <i><b>only</b> </i>through faith in Christ by God's grace. (Ephesians 2:8-9). The act of baptism is an expression of faith and obedience, it is <i><b>not</b></i> a means of salvation. There is no instance in the New Testament of an unbeliever receiving salvation through water baptism! Those who teach the lethal doctrine of baptismal regeneration violate the scriptures and are either woefully confused or willfully ignorant. (2 Timothy 2:15). The consequences for self-appointed teachers like Daniel Long and Steve Kozar, who mislead the body of Christ will be severe! ( 1 Timothy 4:1; James 3:1;).</div><div><br /></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. (Acts 10:47-48).</b></span></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br />One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. <b>The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul. And after she was baptized</b>, and her household as well.. (Acts 16:14-15).</span></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /></span></i></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Whoever<b> believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already,</b> because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. (John 3:18).</span></i><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i><br /></i></span></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">To him all the prophets bear witness that<b> everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.</b>” (Acts 10:43).</span></i></div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i><br /></i></span></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>..he will declare to you a message by which you will be saved, you and all your household. (Acts 11:14).</b></span></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b><br /></b></span></i></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">..having been buried with him in baptism, in which <b>you were also raised with him through faith </b>in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. (Colossians 2:12).</span></i><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i><b><br /></b></i></span></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God; (1 Peter 1:23).</b></span></i></div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i><b><br /></b></i></span></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">I write these things to you who <b>believe</b> in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life. (1 John 5:13).</span></i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i><b><br /></b></i></span><div><br /></div><div>See also Matthew 28:19-20; 18:42,24:47; Galatians 3:23-27; Romans 6:3-5,10:17 etc.</div><div><div><div><br /></div></div><div>Smith's Bible Commentary: <i>But if it has not happened in my heart, it cannot happen by the ritual. The ritual itself cannot save me. Now you may be baptized by sprinkling, by dunking, by full immersion, and still not be saved. You know, they could hold you down until you drown and it still won't save you. <b>The rite of baptism doesn't save.</b> I<b>t symbolizes that which has already transpired in my heart. If it hasn't transpired in my heart, then baptism is meaningless. In fact, it's worse than that; it is --it's almost condemning to me.</b></i></div><i>Such as communion is condemning to the person who doesn't believe. <b>The partaking of the bread and the cup, if you --if you don't believe in Jesus Christ, you're actually partaking your own damnation.</b> You're witnessing against yourself. And "he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to his own soul, not discerning the Lord's body" ( <a href="https://www.studylight.org/study-desk.html?q1=1co+11:29&t1=eng_nas&sr=1">1 Corinthians 11:29</a> ).<br />So the same if you go through the rite or the ritual of water baptism and it hasn't happened in your heart; it's only a witness against you.<b> It doesn't save you.</b> So I do not believe in what is called baptismal regeneration. I do not believe that if a person is not baptized, then they are not saved. I can't believe that; you're saved by believing in Jesus Christ. Now because I believe in Jesus Christ, I want to obey Him and thus I am baptized as a sign of what has transpired already within my heart. But should I never get around to being baptized by some unfortunate accident or circumstances of some kind, I will still be saved. I have every confidence of that. "It isn't the putting away of the filth of the flesh," but it's that work of the Spirit within my heart, "the good conscience toward God, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:" <span style="font-size: xx-small;">1</span> </i><b><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /><br />..if the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?” (Psalm 11:3).</span></i></b></div></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br />1. <a href="https://www.studylight.org/commentary/1-peter/3-21.html">1 Peter 3:21 - Verse-by-Verse Bible Commentary - StudyLight.org</a></span></i>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-83881817591603545592024-01-24T08:41:00.000-08:002024-01-25T06:08:05.751-08:00JOEL RICHARDSON: SABOTAGING PREWRATH!<p><i><b><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I_v60wD8UE">(210) The Pre-Wrath Rapture Strengths & Weaknesses THE RAPTURE & ENDURANCE OF THE SAINTS - YouTube</a></b></i></p><p>Given my misgivings regarding Joel Richardson's ministry, I have some skepticism about his motives and whether he <i>really</i> <i>does </i>have genuine questions about the prewrath rapture view, or whether this is an attempt at sabotage. Reading the comments below this video, Richardson appears to have succeeded in putting his listeners into a spin! In any event, I will attempt to refute what Richardson refers to as prewrath<i> "weaknesses" </i>below for the benefit of those he has thrown into confusion. </p><i><b>The day or the hour (Matthew 24:36)</b></i><p>According to Richardson, one of the common objections to the posttrib rapture view is that Jesus' return can be determined by calculating the time between the point at which the Antichrist takes his seat in the temple of God (2 Thessalonians 2:4) and Armageddon (Revelation 19:19). The period referred to in Revelation 11 and 12 is <i>1260 days, 42 months, a time, time and half a time </i>based on a 360-day prophetic year. Daniel also refers to 1,290, 1,335, and 2,300 days. (Daniel 8:14,12:11-12). The posttrib camp amalgamates the tribulation and the wrath of God, and according to this view, the period referred to is exactly 42 months or 3.5 prophetic years. If the posttrib camp were to calculate the precise day of Jesus' return, I believe they would base it on 1260 days. Richardson's speculations regarding the various time periods specified in Revelation and Daniel are rather muddled. </p><p><i><b>Two comings?</b></i></p><p>The information that Jesus will <i>appear in heaven/come on the clouds of heaven <b>immediately after the tribulation following the cosmic disturbances </b></i>is unequivocal and is recorded in all three synoptic gospels. As such there can be no doubt that this is precisely when the rapture will occur. </p><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Matthew 24:29-31 cf. Mark 13:24-27; Luke 21:25-27 cf. Revelation 7:14).<br /></b></span></i><p>Richardson:<i> "No matter how you slice it, the prewrath perspective has more than one coming of Jesus."</i></p><p>Richardson's misrepresentation of the prewrath view as <i>"two comings" </i>is a criticism often levelled against the pre-trib camp. Alan Kurschner and other prewrath scholars have demonstrated repeatedly that there is no disconnect between the rapture and the second coming (the Parousia). Rather the rapture initiates part of a unified complex event that begins following the cosmic disturbances.<i><span style="font-size: xx-small;">1 </span></i> When the prewrath view is understood correctly as a unified complex event, this alleged "<i>weakness" </i>is easily debunked. </p><p><b><i>Christ cannot return until all His enemies have been defeated?</i></b></p><p>Richardson argues that Jesus Christ cannot leave heaven until his enemies are defeated based on Psalm 110:1 and Matthew 22:44. The context of Psalm 110, particularly verse 5, reveals that this argument is deficient.</p><p><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">The LORD said to my Lord: <b>“Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”</b> The LORD extends Your mighty scepter from Zion: “Rule in the midst of Your enemies." Your people shall be willing on Your day of battle. Arrayed in holy splendor, from the womb of the dawn, to You belongs the dew of Your youth. The LORD has sworn and will not change His mind: “You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.” <b>The Lord is at Your right hand;</b> <b>He will crush kings in the day of His wrath.</b> He will judge the nations, heaping up the dead; He will crush the leaders far and wide. He will drink from the brook by the road; therefore He will lift up His head. (Psalm 110:1-7).</span></i></p><p>Following the great tribulation and the cosmic disturbances, the defeat of God's enemies is a foregone conclusion. (Revelation 6:16-17). Psalm 110:1 is an overview, whereas a more detailed description of what will occur follows. Before the rapture of the church, the mediatorial reign of Christ from heaven at the right hand of God is stated as His primary function. (Hebrews 7:25). Once the rapture has occurred there will be no more occasion for Christ's mediatorial reign. </p><div>Bengel's Gnomen:<i> <a href="https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/15-25.htm">1 Corinthians 15:25</a>. Δεῖ, He must) for it has been foretold.—αὐτὸν, He) Christ.—βασιλεύειν, reign) ררה, reign Thou in the midst of Thy enemies, <a href="https://biblehub.com/psalms/110-2.htm">Psalm 110:2</a>.—ἄχρις οὗ ἄν, until) There will be no further need of the mediatorial reign.—θῇ, He hath put) viz. the Father.—πάντας, all) Paul brings in this, to prepare for a transition to what follows.—τοὺς ἐχθροὺς, enemies) bodily and spiritual, supply His, from that expression, His feet, to wit, the Son’s: but it is now elegantly elliptical; since Christ has long ago destroyed these enemies, in so far as they were the enemies of Christ; He will destroy them [their destruction is still future], in so far as they are our enemies. The remaining part of His victory bears the same relation to His triumph already achieved, as any frontier or corner does to the whole extent of any human monarchy which has be</i><i>en subdued.<span style="font-size: xx-small;"> 2</span></i></div><div><i><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><br /></span></i></div>In Psalm 110:5 there is a major shift in the activity of the Godhead. Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father in Psalm 110:1. In verse 5, the Father (<i>Adonai</i>), is at the Messiah's right hand <i>in the day of His wrath</i>. This shift occurs at the onset of<i> the day of His wrath</i> i.e at the breaking seventh seal of Revelation. <i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /><br /></span></i><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">When the Lamb opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. Then I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them. And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer, and he was given much incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne, and the smoke of the incense, with <b>the prayers of the saints</b>, rose before God from the hand of the angel. Then the angel took the censer and filled it with fire from the altar and threw it on the earth, and there were peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning, and an earthquake. (Revelation 8:1-5). </span></i><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i><br /></i></span></div><div><div>Following a momentous silence in heaven for about half an hour, the seven angels who stand before God are given trumpets. Another angel offers much incense with "<i>the prayers of all the saints". </i>This indicates that the prayers of the saints are complete and confirms that the rapture has occurred. During the day of His wrath, Jesus directs the angels via the trumpet and bowl judgements from heaven. As such, Jesus no longer sits at the right hand of the Father following the prewrath rapture and during the Day of the Lord. </div><div><br /></div><div><div><div>Richardson's postrib "<i>hybrid" </i>view is problematic. When Jesus returns at Armageddon, His enemies are not literally under His feet until<i> </i>He has defeated them! The idea that Jesus <i>must </i>be seated next to the Father until His enemies are literally defeated is unsustainable.</div><div><br /></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><b><i>The Last Trumpet?</i></b></div><div><b><i><br /></i></b></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, <b>at the last trumpet</b>. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52).<br /><br />Then <b>the seventh angel blew his trumpet</b>, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.” (Revelation 11:15).</span></i></div><div><br /></div>The post-trib view makes the assumption that the church will be on the earth when the seventh trumpet of Revelation 11:15 is sounded. However, there are a number of reasons why this cannot be the case. Revelation 7:9-17 situates the resurrected saints between the sixth and seventh seal i.e.<i> a great multitude</i> suddenly appears in heaven prior to the breaking of the seventh seal. It is explicitly stated: <i>These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; (Revelation 7:14).</i> </div><div>It is not possible for the seventh trumpet to be sounded before the breaking of the seventh seal. </div><div><span style="box-sizing: border-box;">The seven trumpets in Revelation 11 signify <i>judgments</i>, they do not signify <i>gathering</i>.</span><i><span style="font-family: Lora, serif;"><span style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 18px;"> </span></span></i></div><div>The announcement of the third woe immediately precedes the seventh trumpet. (Revelation 11:14). </div><div>The narrative continues in Revelation 15-16 with the final seven plagues of God’s wrath poured out in the seven bowl judgments. (chapters 15–16). </div><div>Paul knew nothing about the Book of Revelation. 1 Corinthians was written around 55AD, whereas the book of Revelation was written around 90-95AD, approximately forty years later. As such, the final trumpets of God's wrath were not in Paul's mind when he wrote this epistle.</div><div>For further details please refer to Alan Kurschner's article below. </div><div><br /></div><div><b><i>The tribulation must last for three and a half years?</i></b></div><div><br /></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and <b>they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.</b> (Daniel 7:25). </span></i></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br />And if those days had not been <b>cut short</b>, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be<b> cut short.</b> (Matthew 24:22; Mark 13:20).).</span></i></div><div><br />A critical aspect of the prewrath view is that the great tribulation will be <i><b>cut short (koloboó). </b></i>Literally "<i>to mutilate (Polybius 1, 80, 13); hence in the N. T. of time (Vulg.brevio) to shorten, abridge, curtail: Matthew 24:22; Mark 13:20.."<span style="font-size: xx-small;">3</span></i><i> </i>Some describe this event as an <i>amputation</i>. i.e. the saints are physically amputated or snatched away at this time. The remainder of the seven-year period facilitates sufficient time for God to pour out His wrath. </div><div><div><br /></div><div><div>My concern is that Richardson's equivocations are likely to put a stumbling block in the way of those seeking answers to the rapture question. What is needed is a robust argument that stands up to <i>genuine</i> criticism, and in my view prewrath achieves this. </div><i><br />1. <a href="https://www.alankurschner.com/2019/08/28/will-jesus-come-for-his-church-at-the-rapture-but-with-his-church-at-the-second-coming-ep-145/">Will Jesus Come FOR HIS CHURCH at the Rapture, But WITH HIS CHURCH at the Second Coming? - Ep 145 | ESCHATOS MINISTRIES (alankurschner.com)</a><br />2. <a href="https://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_corinthians/15-25.htm">1 Corinthians 15:25 Commentaries: For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. (biblehub.com)</a><br />3. <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/2856.htm">Strong's Greek: 2856. κολοβόω (koloboó) -- to curtail (biblehub.com)</a></i></div><div><i> <br /></i><div><b><i>Further Links</i></b></div><div><br /></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><a href="https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/search/label/Joel%20Richardson">WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST </a><a href="#">DAYS: Joel Richardson (bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com)</a><br /><a href="https://www.alankurschner.com/2017/08/10/articles-for-posttribulationism-to-consider/">Articles for Posttribulationism to Consider | ESCHATOS MINISTRIES (alankurschner.com)</a><a href="https://www.alankurschner.com/2020/12/09/for-this-reason-the-last-trump-cannot-be-the-seventh-trumpet-ep-169/">For THIS Reason the 'Last Trump' Cannot Be the Seventh Trumpet - Ep. 169 | ESCHATOS MINISTRIES (alankurschner.com)</a><br /><a href="https://www.alankurschner.com/2012/11/20/a-response-to-joel-richardson/">A Response to Joel Richardson (alankurschner.com)</a><br /><a href="https://ukapologeticslibrary.net/2015/09/20/why-are-joe-schimmel-and-jacob-prasch-not-discerning-within-their-own-camps/">Why are Joe Schimmel and Jacob Prasch not discerning within their own camps? - UK Aplogetics Library (ukapologeticslibrary.net)</a><br /><a href="#">The Islamic Antichrist Theory Debunked - FULL 8 HOUR - AUDIO BOOK - Bible Prophecy (youtube.com)</a></span></i></div></div></div></div></div><div><a href="https://7pretribproblems.com/"><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">7 Pretrib Problems and the Prewrath Rapture</span></i></a></div>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-89979115809868829802024-01-19T12:20:00.000-08:002024-01-20T03:19:21.083-08:00ONE CHURCH LEICESTER: "UPGRADE" AND FALSE PEACE<p><b><i> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nPKcbs9ilA&t=5249s">(207) One Church Together | 31st December 2023, 10.30am - YouTube</a></i></b></p><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>They have healed the wound of my people lightly, saying, ‘Peace, peace,’ when there is no peace. (Jeremiah 6:14).</b></span><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><div><br /></div></span></b></i>David Hind's latest dose of snake oil began with his announcement of the resignations of Brian Niblock and Colin Jewitt as Trustees of One Church Leicester (formerly Trinity Life Church). Brian Niblock came to the red light district of Highfields in Leicester forty years ago to <i>"put on the green light".</i> He may now find the time to contemplate the tragic irony of his capitulation to the dark agenda of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and the false teaching and worldliness of the Hinds. (Romans 14:12).<div><i><b><br /></b></i></div><div><i><b>J John and ecumenism</b></i></div><div><br /></div><div>One Church Leicester is hosting two services on the 28th of January with guest speaker Anglican Canon J John who promotes ecumenism. J John's lethal compromise with the false gospel of Roman Catholicism is an offence to God! (2 Corinthians 11:4). The English Fundamentalist describes J John's betrayal of the gospel: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_cVSxEIGHs&t=141s"><i>J John Facing the Canon Exposed - False teacher of Church Apostasy (youtube.com)</i></a><i> </i></div><div><br /></div><div>J John is an Honorary Canon of The Order of St Leonard.<i><span style="font-size: xx-small;">1 </span></i>Rob Thomas<i> (watchman4wales)</i> has carried out extensive eye-opening research on The Order of St Leonard: <a href="https://watchman4wales.blogspot.com/search/label/Order%20of%20St.%20Leonard"><i>APOSTASY, ERROR & DECEPTION IN WALES - the watchman4wales blog.: Order of St. Leonard</i></a></div><div><br /></div><div><b><i>False prophets and empty oracles</i></b><div><div><div><br /></div><div>Every chapter in the New Testament with the exception of Philemon warns about false teachers and prophets. Those who misuse the scriptures take the Lord's name in vain and are committing grievous sin. (Exodus 20:7; Deuteronomy 5:11; Leviticus 19:12). It is typical of false prophets to abuse the scriptures and give <i>false hope</i> to their hearers. They prophesy <b><i>peace and prosperity</i> </b>when the reality is the reverse! Ultimately things will end very badly for One Church. I know this, not because I am a prophet, but because One Church perverts the scriptures and teaches a "<i>different gospel"</i>. (2 Corinthians 11:4). The ultimate end for false prophets is fearful judgement! (Jude 1:13)</div><div><br /></div><div>Susan Hind misapplies Isaiah 60 and claims that it is a prophecy for One Church. She also alleges that the Lord asked her <i>"Do you want an upgrade?" (</i>Jeremiah 23:16). Isaiah 60 is a <b><i>millennial passage</i> </b>that specifically refers to<i><b> Israel</b></i><b><i> and the future glory for Zion.</i></b> <i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Instead of bronze I will bring gold, and instead of iron I will bring silver; instead of wood, bronze, instead of stones, iron. I will make your overseers peace and your taskmasters righteousness. (Isaiah 60:17-18).</span></i></div><div><br /></div><div>It is a mystery how the Hinds circumvent the plain teaching of the scriptures regarding women pastors. (1 Timothy 2:12). Susan Hind is no <i>"helpmeet"</i> (Genesis 2:20). Rather she has elevated herself by assuming the prohibited status of a pastor, and in doing so she has raised herself to an unauthorized position. In the process, she has, no doubt, doubled the salary of the Hind household at the expense of the naive congregation of One Church.</div><div><br /></div><div>David Hind: <i>"..the very core of what God wants to do this year.. is from Acts 9: 31:<span style="color: #2b00fe;"> So the church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samaria had peace and was being built up. And walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, it multiplied. </span></i><i>This is the heart of the Father for One Church in 2024 an upgrade firstly of <b>peace</b>.. </i><i>I believe it's the Father's heart to see an upgrade of <b>peace.. </b>every time we meet in any context this year ahead let's expect the <b>Prince of Peace</b> to impact lives. People in contact with us to find <b>peace, </b>to experience <b>peace </b>to leave knowing <b>peace. </b>This will be a safe place and we will pray all year for people who are anxious and lost and afraid to be filled with <b>peace </b>people will gather in small groups in youth meetings in children's context in celebrations in twos and threes and the <b>Prince of Peace</b> will pour out his <b>peace</b> an upgrade a <b>peace </b>into our lives.." </i>He goes on to quote John 14:25-27. The promise of peace in John 14 <b><i>does not apply</i></b> to counterfeit churches.</div><div><br /></div>David Hind:<i> "We received a word recently in one of our encounter nights and I just want to read you just a few lines from this 'I'm here to prophesy that God is going to pour out on this house fresh oil from heaven that will not only come upon the leadership it will come upon everybody in this house and this church everything in your apostolic grace is about to be upgraded God is saying he's well pleased..'"</i></div><div><div><br /></div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-style: italic;"><b>Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, declares the LORD, who steal my words from one another. Behold, I am against the prophets, declares the LORD, who use their tongues and declare, ‘declares the LORD.’ Behold, I am against those who prophesy lying dreams, declares the LORD, and who tell them and lead my people astray by their lies and their recklessness, when I did not send them or charge them. So they do not profit this people at all, declares the LORD. (Jeremiah 23:30-32).</b></span></div><div><br /></div><div><div><i><b>The Numbers Game</b></i></div><div><br /></div><div><div>In 2022 Hind employed the infamous NAR mantra <i><b>"imminent revival"</b></i>. Needless to say, this<i> </i>false prophecy was not fulfilled. (Jeremiah 5:13). </div><div><br /></div><div><i style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Trebuchet, sans-serif;"><span style="color: #800180;"><span style="font-size: 13px;">* </span><b style="font-size: 13px;">David Hind (1st May 2022): "This is a fulfillment season, an outbreak season</b><b style="font-size: 13px;">.</b><span style="font-size: 13px;">" Over a year later, according to David Hind, we are still on the cusp of revival. This is the typical mantra of false prophets who constantly repeat that we are on the cusp of something enormous, but that "something" never happens - NAR buzzwords: revival, breakthrough, outbreak, awakening etc.</span><span style="font-size: xx-small;"> 2 </span></span></i></div></div><div><br /></div>Hind's failed prophecy of imminent revival/outbreak in 2022 has been revised and <b><i>downgraded</i></b> to 300+ people in 2024!</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgSt7xP1ojL27wI9-rSSbiXIyZD0_WGOepGyqqb2g9GiBWpDybcUPDYdlV-qCVhaN_WH1ICVad8vcy1oYyhp-TIUxZ8hTXBMN9ZEvQIgVEnHyanWHhAfeNnnpP0fOVLYFb2D2zaHQTwwxYOOhvCREtmuaL4sqKgXnW0RCk9e9Oz1nHl-AkIuIGtcsDUe3k/s275/downgrade.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="183" data-original-width="275" height="183" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgSt7xP1ojL27wI9-rSSbiXIyZD0_WGOepGyqqb2g9GiBWpDybcUPDYdlV-qCVhaN_WH1ICVad8vcy1oYyhp-TIUxZ8hTXBMN9ZEvQIgVEnHyanWHhAfeNnnpP0fOVLYFb2D2zaHQTwwxYOOhvCREtmuaL4sqKgXnW0RCk9e9Oz1nHl-AkIuIGtcsDUe3k/s1600/downgrade.jpg" width="275" /></a></div><br /><div>Hind: <i>"I believe he wants to give us an upgrade and I felt challenged to say this to you today. I'd love you to pray with me that in 2024 across all our ministries we'll see decisions and commitments and recommitment to Jesus this year ahead and that we'll see at least 150 people baptized in our church and that we'll see <b>300 or more new people being added to this house in 2024</b>."</i> (1:26 mark)</div><div><div><br />Speculating and praying for specific numbers of future converts is presumptuous. (2 Corinthians 10:17). The church is called to preach the gospel and make disciples without any speculation or concern about numbers. (Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:15). <b><i>God gives the increase. </i></b><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">I planted, Apollos watered, but <b>God gave the growth.</b> So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything,<b> but only God who gives the growth.</b></span></i> <i><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;">(</span></b></i><i><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;">1 Corinthians 3:6-7).</span></b></i> No talk about numbers of converts is ever mentioned in the New Testament <i><b>before </b></i>the fact! (Acts 2:47,6:7). We only have to remember King David's sin when he numbered Israel in pride.<span face="system-ui, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"" style="background-color: white; color: #081c2a; font-size: 16px;"> </span>(<a href="https://www.bibleref.com/1-Chronicles/21/1-Chronicles-21-1.html">1 Chronicles 21:1</a>). </div><div><br /></div><div><i><b>Tithing</b></i></div><div><p>Hind:<i> "Let's keep giving tithes and offerings.." (1:29 mark) </i></p><p>The New Testament encourages believers to be <i>cheerful givers </i>and to <i><b>give what has been decided in their hearts,</b> <b>not under compulsion</b>.</i> Giving in the New Testament was for the benefit of the poor (Acts 2:43-47,4:32-37) and to support those who preach the gospel. (Matthew 10:10; Luke 10:7; 1 Corinthians 9:6-14; 1 Timothy 5:17-18). Money was definitely <i><b>not </b></i>given to support the extravagant lifestyle of greedy pastors or for things like ostentatious building projects that never come to an end. Any pastor or minister who has a superior lifestyle to that of his congregation is a hireling and is unworthy to be in the ministry. (1 Timothy 6:8). There should be no pressure to tithe in any New Testament Church. Believers are no longer under the Mosaic Covenant. (Romans 6:14-15,7:5-6; Galatians 3:15-4:7; 2 Corinthians 3:4-18). </p><p><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. (2 Corinthians 9:7 cf. Psalm 37:21). </span></i></p><p>The Lord did not intend a large body of believers to be governed by a centralized leadership. In the New Testament congregations are described as local assemblies governed entirely by local elders. (Acts 14:22; Titus 1:5). The New Testament model eliminates the need for the popish <i>"megachurch"</i> model and the crippling expense of huge buildings and facilities. </p></div><div><b><i>The Holy Spirit</i></b></div><div><br /></div><div>Constantly asking for a<i> "fresh touch of the Holy Spirit", </i><i>"more of the Holy Spirit",</i> "<i>breathing in the Holy Spirit" </i>etc. is the wrong focus. In my view <i>breathing in the Holy Spirit</i> is a dangerous mystical practice. God promised the Holy Spirit to believers and He is present in any <i>authentic</i> assembly. (John 14:16; 1 Corinthians 6:19). There is no instance in the New Testament of believers <i>"inviting"</i> the Holy Spirit, <i><b>rather </b></i>the Holy Spirit is <i><b>sent. </b></i>(John 14:26, 15:15-25). A sure sign of being filled with the Holy Spirit is that truth is proclaimed and unrighteousness is challenged. (Acts 4:8-12,7:51-60,13:9-10).<i> </i>The Holy Spirit puts all the focus on Jesus Christ. (John 14:17,15:26). If the Hinds want the Holy Spirit so desperately, it would be a novel idea for them to do what the scriptures say and obey the Word. (James 1:22-25; Luke 6:46). God gives the Holy Spirit to those who obey Him! (Acts 5:32). </div><div><br /></div><div><b><i>A flimsy wall smeared with whitewash </i></b></div></div><br /><div><b><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Precisely because they have misled my people, saying, ‘Peace,’ when there is no peace, and because, when the people build a wall, these prophets smear it with whitewash, say to those who smear it with whitewash that it shall fall! (</span></i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i>Ezekiel 13:10-11). </i></span></b></div><div><div><br /></div></div></div></div></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1).</b></span></i><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b><br /></b></span></i></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">1. <a href="https://osluk.org/leadership">Leadership | The Order of St Leonard (osluk.org)</a> <br /></span><span style="color: #2b00fe;">2. </span><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><a href="https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/search/label/One%20Church%20Leicester">WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: One Church Leicester (bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com)</a></span></i><div><i><br /></i></div><div><i><b>Further Links</b></i></div><div><i><b><br /></b></i></div><div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmd3xKDciy8"><i>Ecumenical Unity Must Stop (youtube.com)</i></a></div><div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1xZTPY98Oc&t=11s"><i>Unbiblical stuff the Catholic Church teaches: Mary, Indulgences, Eucharist, Priests, 7 Sacraments (youtube.com)</i></a></div>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-17849517241151604512024-01-15T12:12:00.000-08:002024-01-16T11:03:37.911-08:00ONE CHURCH LEICESTER: J JOHN AN URGENT WARNING<p><b><i><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nPKcbs9ilA&t=5249s">One Church Together | 31st December 2023, 10.30am (youtube.com)</a></i></b></p><i><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;">I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them. (Acts 20:29-30).</span></b></i><div><span face="Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #001320; font-size: 16px; text-align: justify; text-indent: 25px;"><br /></span></div>One Church Leicester (formerly Trinity Life Church) is hosting two services on the 28th of January with guest speaker J John. <p>The critical thing to note about J John is that he is an Anglican and ecumenical to the core. This means that he does not follow the true gospel of Jesus Christ, but that he teaches a "<i>different gospel"</i>. (2 Corinthians 11:4).</p><div><div>The video below by <i>The English Fundamentalist </i>accurately sums up the "<i>ministry" </i>of J John. (2 Corinthians 11:13). </div><div><p><i style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><iframe allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/n_cVSxEIGHs?si=rykuMEVsTT_gLsRg" title="YouTube video player" width="560"></iframe></span></i></p><i>An assessment of the ministry of British evangelist J John - a ministry of grave danger and great deception, particularly with regard to the coming lying signs, wonders and miracles movement, and Roman Catholic seduction.</i></div><div><br /></div><div><i>Transcript:</i><p><i>"There is an evangelist today who I would equate to Billy Graham in his method, worldwide impact, amount of souls reached, preaching and Christian profession. But this is of course a bad thing. He goes by the name of J John, an anglicized form of his Greek-rooted Ioannes Ioannou, John son of John. And like Billy Graham, he is a friend of the devil's Roman Catholic religion. London-born J John has been in ministry as an evangelist for well over three decades now, preaching all over the world to large crowds at crusade-type events, often reminiscent of Billy Graham in his subtle work of deception. J John has been a significant figure in shaping today's perverse hybrid Christianity. Souls responding to his preaching responded in turn to his anti-Christian philosophy which has paved the way for the emerging Roman Catholic takeover and false signs and wonders movement. J John is a good example of today's corrupted UK evangelical Christianity and has played his part in bringing it to fruition. The sixty-two-year-old describes himself as an Anglican, as a Canon of Coventry Cathedral, honorary it seems, has authored a large number of books, and has spread the seeds of his hybrid Christianity all over the world to untold millions of people in receiving appraisal, even awards from two Archbishops of Canterbury, Justin Welby and George Carey. The alarm bells should sound very loudly for us regarding J John. Please listen to me my friends, this man is more dangerous than we can ever imagine as I shall show. He is a signs and wonders enthusiast who, and note this well, has declared that he seeks God's revival through the Catholic Church in a fresh move of the Spirit; not exclusively through that system, I grant that, but he is open wide to such an idea and is thus setting people up for the false Eucharistic or Marian miracles that may well be coming soon from the belly of the Roman Catholic harlot. J John loves the Roman Catholic Church. His attitude towards such epitomizes the general tone of UK evangelical Christianity. Yes, he has stated that he does not believe as Catholics do on certain issues such as transubstantiation, but he equally does not oppose it, he speaks not against it, he sees it as a legitimate expression of Christian truth. It's today's typical unity in diversity heresy. J John validates Roman Catholicism. He says we should respect and support this Roman Church. He intimates the deception that the Roman Catholic system stretches back in history 2,000 years to the days of the Apostles. He praises Rome's extraordinary richness of doctrine and traditions terming such a 'blessing'. He sees Catholics as genuine Christians, doing no favors to the deluded souls caught up in that wicked parody. He is open to speaking at Roman Catholic conferences, has claimed to have prayed with the Pope, rejoices in his month working with Mother Teresa and her Sisters of Charity Order, claiming that it was a life-transforming experience, inspiring by nature. J John allegorizes reprobate churches as 'differing flavors of the same product' all equally valid, and advocates each individual finding a flavor that suits them with such ?? <b>it's not about what's true it's about what flavor you like, and this of course </b></i><b><i>involves his legitimizing of Romanism </i><i>and sending persons into the clutches of </i></b><i><b>the harlot.</b> What wicked manner of </i><i>evangelism and pastoring is this? J </i><i>John's large evangelistic </i><i>events under the 'Just One' banner, also </i><i>described by the man himself as 'a </i><i>movement of church unity', and his </i><i>Emirates Stadium event had 223 churches </i><i>and charities partnering and working </i><i>together with him in his ecumenical </i><i>evangelism that, like Billy Graham, will </i><i>send supposed converts to the Church </i><i>of their choice or background rather </i><i>than steer them away from falsehood and </i><i>error. J J</i><i>ohn fellowships with a rogue's </i><i>gallery of prolific spiritual offenders, </i><i>heretics and reprobates; speaks on their </i><i>platforms, interviews them approvingly, </i><i>persons such as Matt Redman Nicky Gumbel, Guvna </i><i>B, John Sentamu, Carl Lentz, </i><i>Mike Pilavachi, Justin Welby, Philip </i><i>Yancey and so on; a</i><i>ssociates whose compromised sin and era </i><i>lead the way in the dark course of </i><i>reprobate evangelicalism. He has spoken </i><i>at habitations of devils, such as Holy </i><i>Trinity Brompton, Sole Survivor, </i><i>Hillsong London and Hillsong New York </i><i>City. And to the complete lack of </i><i>surprise to those acquainted with the </i><i>state of UK Christianity today, J John </i><i>has directed respondents at his rallies </i><i>to attend the Alpha Course, that wicked </i><i>imposture of the false prophet Nicky </i><i>Gumbel, the gateway course to end times </i><i>deception. J John's Christianity is a </i><i>hybrid Christianity, a mixture of truth and a lot of deadly error. He of course utilizes the music of the world, the all kinds of music of Nebuchadnezzar's worldwide Empire and religion, as all the false teachers do. It is a significant adhesive and accelerant of the Roman Catholic ecumenical movement designed to </i><b><i>destroy Christian truth and replace it </i><i>with Papal Authority and the Roman </i></b><i><b>Catholic system.</b> A token or badge </i><i>recognition was given to J John by the </i><i>Minister of Satan, Justin Welby, who spoke </i><i>well of J John in the recent past, s</i><i>aying of him that </i><i>he is 'one of the best </i><i>communicators of what it is to be a </i><i>Christian'. An appraisal from the </i><i>Archbishop of Canterbury signifies the </i><i>corrupt roots of the ministry receiving </i><i>it. J John, as I have mentioned, is a </i><i>signs and wonders man and undoubtedly </i><i>accepts the Roman Catholic system as a </i><i>Christian Church as valid as any other </i><i>denomination, and that its adherents are </i><i>Christians, and that it's Christ is the true </i><i>Jesus. Now if miracles signs and wonders </i><i>began to flow publicly and powerfully </i><i>from the heart of the Roman Catholic Church, J John will point people there with enthusiastic accreditation. He is a catastrophic deception waiting to happen, and many others with him. Let us recall, he will accept as authentic, a revival, </i><i>even if it came by the Roman Catholic </i><i>Church. That is his position, and those </i><i>souls tutored under his ministry, many </i><i>false converts as well as intrigued unbelievers will be led into great deception by this false teacher and false prophet, who for many years has received a stipend for preparing the way for satanic deception. And the way has been prepared, and deception is abundant now and is to come in manifested power. Whether J John himself, who has sown the seeds and helped build the necessary conditions for end times deception regarding lying signs and wonders, or one like him, such as Matt Redman, Nicky Gumbel or Mike Pilavachi, there shall </i><i>be charismatic popular attractive personalities eagerly pointing to Rome as the source of God's revival and move of the Holy Spirit. J John's ministry has been accompanied by miracles, and people follow the miracles in unrighteousness instead of receiving a love of the truth. For Satan can work miracles. False christs and false prophets work great signs and wonders to deceive. We must test the spirits by the </i><i>word of God. J John's initials remind me of Jannes and Jambres in 2nd Timothy chapter three (2 Timothy 3:8), those wicked persons who withstood Moses and resist the truth, referring I believe to those magicians of Egypt in Exodus who through their enchantments, were allowed of God to mimic the work of God to their own shame and folly by false signs and wonders, a feature of the end times church led by individuals very </i><i>much akin to the false prophet J John." </i></p><p><i><b>Money money money!</b></i></p><div><p>Hind:<i> "Let's keep giving tithes and offerings.." (1:29 mark) </i></p><p>The New Testament encourages believers to be <i>cheerful givers </i>and to <i><b>give what has been decided in their hearts,</b> <b>not under compulsion</b>.</i> Giving in the New Testament was for the benefit of the poor (Acts 2:43-47,4:32-37) and to support those who preach the gospel. (Matthew 10:10; Luke 10:7; 1 Corinthians 9:6-14; 1 Timothy 5:17-18). Money was definitely <i><b>not </b></i>given to support the extravagant lifestyle of greedy pastors or for things like ostentatious building projects that never come to an end. Any pastor or minister who has a superior lifestyle to that of his congregation is a hireling and is unworthy to be in the ministry. (1 Timothy 6:8). There should be no pressure to tithe in any New Testament Church. Believers are no longer under the Mosaic Covenant. (Romans 6:14-15,7:5-6; Galatians 3:15-4:7; 2 Corinthians 3:4-18). I have added a link on this subject at the end of this post. </p><p><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. (2 Corinthians 9:7 cf. Psalm 37:21). </span></i></p><p>The Lord did not intend a large body of believers to be governed by a centralized leadership. In the New Testament congregations are described as local assemblies governed entirely by local elders. (Acts 14:22; Titus 1:5) The New Testament model eliminates the need for the popish <i>"megachurch"</i> model and the crippling expense of huge buildings and facilities. <span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i><br /></i><br /><b><i>Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues; (Revelation 18:4).</i></b></span></p><p><b><i>Further Links</i></b></p></div></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><a href="https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/7-reasons-christians-not-required-to-tithe/">7 Reasons Christians Are Not Required to Tithe (thegospelcoalition.org)</a><br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqQ1ztbQqGA">Dave Hunt - The false “unity” of ECUMENISM [YT] (youtube.com)</a><br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skc34vECPrc">Billy Graham Exposed by Dave Hunt (youtube.com)</a><br /><a href="https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/search/label/Billy%20Graham">WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: Billy Graham (bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com)</a></span></i><a href="#"></a><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /><a href="https://watchman4wales.blogspot.com/search/label/Order%20of%20St.%20Leonard">APOSTASY, ERROR & DECEPTION IN WALES - the watchman4wales blog.: Order of St. Leonard</a></span></i></div>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-57157450613665074032024-01-12T10:57:00.000-08:002024-01-13T04:52:00.662-08:00JOEL RICHARDSON MUDDYING THE WATERS: PREWRATH VS POSTTRIB RAPTURE <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUjL22PLwuI"><i><b>The Pre-Wrath Versus the Post-Tribulational Rapture THE RAPTURE & ENDURANCE OF THE SAINTS (youtube.com)</b></i></a><p>Joel Richardson has a very neat way of coming on board and then muddying the waters by undermining the very teaching he claims to support. He has employed this technique against the prewrath rapture view previously. </p><p>Richardson describes his own view regarding the timing of the rapture as a <i>"kind of hybrid" </i>between prewrath and posttrib. His <i>"initial introduction"</i> makes this topic more confusing than it already is. The following summary is sufficient to introduce the subject minus Richardson's various nuances.</p><b><i>The pretrib rapture view</i></b> ~ The rapture occurs at an indeterminate point before the 70th week of Daniel.<br /><b><i>The prewrath rapture view</i></b> ~ The rapture occurs after the tribulation following the cosmic disturbances in between the sixth and seventh seal in the book of Revelation.<br /><b><i>The posttrib rapture view</i></b> ~ The rapture occurs at Armageddon i.e. at the end of the 70th week of Daniel.<div><br /></div><div>Richardson describes the prewrath view as "<i>a relatively newer position".</i> His poor research into this subject is obvious and he is inaccurate on many points. It is reasonable to say that the prewrath interpretation is <i><b>not </b></i>a new position, rather it has been defined this way in recent history. Many of the early Church Fathers have been described as "<i>posttrib"</i> erroneously since they taught significant aspects of the prewrath view. It therefore appears that the early Fathers were generally prewrath without applying the "<i>prewrath" </i>label. </div><div><br /></div><div>Richardson:<i> "..there was no one that held to prewrath in the more specific limited sense, for example the form of prewrath that would be articulated by Alan Kurschsner. There's no one throughout church history that's going to hold to that view right, they're going to largely hold more to a posttribulation perspective." </i>Alan Kurschner argues that many early Church Fathers were, in fact, prewrath without using the<i> "prewrath"</i> label.<i><span style="font-size: xx-small;">1</span> </i></div><br />Robert Van Kampen was the primary mover in developing the prewrath view during the 1970s and 80s.<i><span style="font-size: xx-small;">2</span> </i>Marvin Rosenthal was formerly a staunch pretribulationalist and it took some time for him to be persuaded by Van Kampen. Rosenthal began to adopt the prewrath view in 1986 much to the ire of the pre-trib camp. In 1990 Rosenthal's book <i>The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church </i>popularized the prewrath view. Rosenthal was one of those rare pre-trib teachers who had the courage of his convictions. He was removed from his position as Executive Director of The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry in 1989 due to his prewrath stance.<span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>3</i></span><div><p>Richardson points out the massive ramifications to the church if pre-trib teachers are wrong. The pretrib rapture view could indeed ruin a large portion of the church. Sadly many staunch pre-trib teachers appear to be blinded to the devastating implications of this dangerous error. Nevertheless, I pray that many believers will re-think this question and will consider the prewrath position. </p></div><div>Richardson: "..<i>prewrath vs posttrib.. I don't care about arguing. </i><i>I personally wholeheartedly believe that prewathers and posttribers need to unite and essentially work together and expose the deception the dangerous deception of pretribulationism."</i> thinks arguments between prewrath and posttrib are<i> "the dumbest thing to fight about" </i>because both camps agree on the important distinction that believers will face the persecution of the Antichrist. I may have agreed with this perspective at one time, but having thought about it more deeply, I see that it is necessary to present an accurate and credible argument to pretrib believers. (1 John 4:1). The posttrib view has some serious flaws that any thoughtful pretribber will easily pick up. A flawed argument that integrates the prewrath/posttrib views is likely to lead pretrib believers to reject <i>any </i>argument that believers will face the Antichrist. For clarity, we need to present a sound theological argument, and the prewrath view achieves that criterion. Richardson claims to have found "<i>some problems"</i> with the prewrath rapture view which he says he will articulate in a later video. Richardson:<i> "In reality I don't know, I don't have absolute confidence, and I don't care.. who cares?" </i> This is perverse. If he doesn't know, if he hasn't got confidence, and if he doesn't care, then it begs the question: Why does he feel that he is qualified to critique the prewrath rapture view or make recommendations? Richardson's narrative demonstrates his negligent attitude toward sound teaching: "..<i>it's not worth dividing over, we do need to unite.."</i> I would not reject a posttrib teacher/believer or regard them as unsaved. However, having studied Joe Schimmel's posttrib view, I have come to the inevitable conclusion that he has mistaught the book of Revelation for years. (Revelation 22:18-19).<i><span style="font-size: xx-small;">4</span></i> Schimmel refuses to even acknowledge or address the questions that I have put to his ministry. The same applies to Sam Adams of Independance Baptist Church.<i><span style="font-size: xx-small;"> 5</span></i> When posttrib teachers will not even acknowledge identifiable problems associated with their view then it is difficult to have any respect for them.</div><div><div><div><p><b><i>Joel Richardson's "interesting" history and his strange friends</i></b></p>Richardson's history and questionable associations demonstrate that he does not care about sound teaching. </div><div><br /></div><div>Richardson: <i>"I got saved in the Assemblies of God. It's is a denomination that I greatly esteem, it's one of the most rock-solid missions-focused, most globally influential denominations in the world. I mean you know in terms of out there throughout the Middle East on the ground the Assemblies of God is a great denomination." </i>I profoundly disagree with Richardson about the Assemblies of God (AOG). I attended the AOG myself in Leicester some years ago and I am horrified by their unbiblical teachings. Many AOG churches promote the New Apostolic Reformation and are lethal places to attend. It is perverse that the AOG officially rejects NAR teaching and yet their practice in many instances is the very opposite. Holly Pivec:<i> "..many churches that remain part of the Assemblies of God actively promote NAR teachings--even inviting NAR apostles and prophets into their churches."</i><span style="font-size: xx-small;">6</span><i> </i></div><div><br /></div><div>In previous posts, I have catalogued a number of serious problems associated with Joel Richardson's "<i>ministry"</i>. (summarized below).</div><div><br /></div>Richardson's <i>"prophetic endorsement"</i> by <i>"Latter Rain"</i> false prophet Paul Cain who he claims was the catalyst that kick-started his<i> "ministry".</i></div>Richardson's previous associate and co-author false teacher Walid Shoebat and their case for an Islamic Antichrist. <div>Richardson's association with false teacher Dalton Thomas who was recently ejected from Frontier Alliance International Studios (FAI).<i><span style="font-size: xx-small;">7</span></i><i></i></div><div>Richardson's false teaching regarding Identificational Repentance. </div><div><div>Richardsons Metatron heresy.</div><div>Richardson's false teaching that the Antichrist will be killed and not thrown<i> "alive"</i> into the lake of fire. (Revelation 19:20).</div><div>Richardson's attempt to shoehorn the Antichrist into Ezekiel 38 and 39.</div><div>Richarson's recent association with false teacher and <i>"deliverance"</i> guru Vlad Savchuk.<span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>9</i></span> </div><div>Richardson describes himself as a <i>"friend" </i>of false teacher Chris Reed, the new head of apostate Morningstar Ministries, formerly led by false teacher Rick Joyner who is a member of the Ecumenical Knights of Malta. Reed claims to have had a vivid dream <i>allegedly</i> from God revealing that John the Apostle has been living in a cave in Turkey for the last 2000 years! John the Apostle is supposedly going to come out of hiding and reveal how to interpret the book of Revelation (NOT)!<i><span style="font-size: xx-small;"> </span></i>You really can't make this stuff up!<span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>10</i></span> </div><div><br /></div><div>For more information please refer to: <span style="color: #0000ee; font-style: italic; text-decoration-line: underline;">WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: Joel Richardson (bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com)</span></div><div><br /></div><div>UK Apologetics Library: "<i><span style="border-color: initial; border-image: initial; border-style: initial; box-sizing: border-box;">Not only has Joel Richardson gone along with Mormon (Glenn Beck) but also other notable names of false teachers and organizations that are promoted, this includes Jim Bakker, Sid Roth, Mike Bickle, Walid Schoebat, Paul Wilbur, TBN, Pat Robertson 700 Club, CBN News, Joel Rosenberg (listed 2009), IHOP (International House of Prayer), Jonathan Cahn, Mark Biltz, Chuck Missler, Daystar TV. Joel Richardson is a frequent Speaker at Billy Humphrey's IHOP Atlanta".</span></i><span style="border-color: initial; border-image: initial; border-style: initial; box-sizing: border-box;"><span face="Segoe UI, Arial, sans-serif" style="color: #333333;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>11</i></span></span></span></span></div><div><br />Given the plethora of information that identifies Richardson as a false teacher, it t is very concerning that he is endorsed by <i>Zion's Hope </i>and is a speaker at their conferences.<span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>12</i></span> </div><div><br /></div><i><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;">I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. (Romans 16:17 cf. 1 Timothy 6:3-5).</span></b></i><div><br /><div><iframe allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/xwXoMNpOhos?si=zVaDJ371azD315SQ" title="YouTube video player" width="560"></iframe> </div><div><br /></div><div><i><br /></i></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">1. <a href="https://www.alankurschner.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Prewrath-Early-Church-Fathers-Kurschner.pdf">Microsoft Word - Prewrath - Early Church Fathers.docx (alankurschner.com)</a><br />2. <a href="https://www.raptureready.com/robert-van-kampen/">Robert Van Kampen - Rapture Ready</a> <br />3. <a href="https://lionandlambapologetics.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Another-Look-at-Rosenthals-Pre-Wrath-Rapture-McLean-1.pdf#:~:text=Marvin%20Rosenthal%E2%80%99s%20book%2C%20The%20Pre-Wrath%20Rapture%20of%20the,the%20rapture%20will%20occur%20before%20the%20seven-year%20tribulation.">https://lionandlambapologetics.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Another-Look-at-Rosenthals-Pre-Wrath-Rapture-McLean-1.pdf</a><br />4. <a href="https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/search/label/Joe%20Schimmel%20Blessed%20Hope%20Chapel">WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: Joe Schimmel Blessed Hope Chapel (bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com)</a> <br />5. <a href="https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/search/label/Sam%20Adams%20Independence%20Baptist%20Church">WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: Sam Adams Independence Baptist Church (bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com)</a> <br />6. <a href="https://www.hollypivec.com/blog/2013/06/the-assemblies-of-god-and-the-nar/3246">The Assemblies of God and the NAR — Holly Pivec</a><br />7. <a href="Founder of Missions Group FAI Resigns Over Sexual Infidelity (julieroys.com)">Founder of Missions Group FAI Resigns Over Sexual Infidelity (julieroys.com)</a><br />8. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5T259mERYU">Is the Disciple John Alive? - Chris Reed on the Elijah List (youtube.com)</a> <br />9. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J4XYYxYxdM">20231020 LIPS YT VSL ExplainerUGC 03 JW NoGH (youtube.com)</a><br />10. <a href="https://www.facebook.com/Joel7Richardson/posts/826877802704991/">(3) Joel Richardson - An Important Update: Many of you who have been... | Facebo</a><br />11. <a href="https://ukapologeticslibrary.net/2015/09/20/why-are-joe-schimmel-and-jacob-prasch-not-discerning-within-their-own-camps/">Why are Joe Schimmel and Jacob Prasch not discerning within their own camps? - UK Aplogetics Libra</a> <a href="https://ukapologeticslibrary.net/2015/09/20/why-are-joe-schimmel-and-jacob-prasch-not-discerning-within-their-own-camps/">ry (ukapologeticslibrary.net)</a> <br />12. <a href="https://www.zionshope.org/">Zion's Hope (zionshope.org)</a></span></i></div><div><div><br /></div><div><i><b>Further Link</b></i></div><div><i><br /></i></div><div><i><b><a href="https://www.alankurschner.com/2017/08/10/articles-for-posttribulationism-to-consider/">Articles for Posttribulationism to Consider | ESCHATOS MINISTRIES (alankurschner.com)</a></b></i></div></div></div></div>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-71015355169085393362024-01-09T04:57:00.000-08:002024-01-10T04:37:01.808-08:00JUSTIN PETERS: SEXUAL SIN IS NEVER FULLY BLOTTED OUT - REALLY?<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78pFM2dK-Sc"><b><i>Justin Peters - Dangerous Doctrines: Session 3 (youtube.com)</i></b></a></p><p>Justin Peters:<i> "<b>My bible says that sexual sin leaves a wound and the reproach will never be fully blotted out. </b>My bible says that sexual sin is sin that is committed inside the body, not outside the body. There is something especially pernicious and especially injurious about sexual sin that is not true of other sin..</i> <i>Just because we have been forgiven judicially, does not automatically remove the ugly consequences of that sin, and there is something unique about <b>sexual sin that leaves a wound, it leaves a scar</b> because it is sin that is committed inside the body, not outside the body. The Bible does not 'whisper' about sexual sin.."</i> (51:00 mark) </p><p>The passage Justin Peters refers to is 1 Corinthians 6 below:</p><p><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i>"All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be dominated by anything. “Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food”—and God will destroy both one and the other. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. And God raised the Lord and will also raise us up by his power. Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never! Or do you not know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, “The two will become one flesh.” But he who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him. </i><b style="font-style: italic;">Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. </b><i>Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price.</i></span><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-style: italic;"> So glorify God in your body. (1 Corinthians 6:12-20). But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. (1 Corinthians 6:12-21).</span></p><div>Although I agree with much of what Justin Peters says in this video, and I certainly have nothing but contempt for JD Greear and Ed Litton, it would be tragic if those who have been cleansed from their sin by the blood of Jesus were to believe that their previous sexual sin was not fully blotted out! Where does it say this in the Bible? Justin Peters' sweeping statement applies to a great many believers and it would be tragic if <i>any </i>believer, let alone a great number of believers, were to swallow the lie that their sexual sin was <i>not fully blotted out.</i> Paul referred to himself as "<i>the worst of sinners" ~ </i>he was a murderer and <i>all</i> his sins were blotted out. (1 Timothy 1:16). Ironically Justin Peters' <i>opinion </i>runs counterproductive to his aim of exposing false teachers. His false supposition has the potential to ruin the peace of many believers and is injurious to the very gospel itself! (Proverbs 30:6). Isn't this precisely how false doctrine gains a foothold? </div><p>The Bible teaches that when someone repents of their sin and believes the gospel, <b>ALL</b> their sins are blotted out, <i>including</i> sexual sin. Sexual sin does differ from other sins in that it occurs inside the body. However, it is critical to note that Jesus has blotted out ALL our sins completely.</p> <i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.. (Acts 3:19 cf. Isaiah 43:25</b></span><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;">,44:22; <a href="http://biblehub.com/psalms/51-1.htm">Psalm 51:1</a>,9).</span></b></i><div><i><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /></span></b></i><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>..how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God. (Hebrews 9:14).</b></span></i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b><i><br /></i></b></span><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b><i><br /></i></b></span></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all (every) sin. </b></span></i> </div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-weight: 400;"><br /></span></span></span></span>Barnes: <i>"The general meaning is plain, that<b> in regard to any and every sin of which we may be conscious</b>, there is efficacy in that blood to remove it, and to make us wholly pure. <b>There is no stain made by sin so deep that the blood of Christ cannot take it entirely away from the soul.</b>"</i></div><div><br /></div>Clarke:<i> "The blood of Jesus Christ — The meritorious efficacy of his passion and death has purged our consciences from dead works, and cleanseth us, καθαριζειημας, continues to cleanse us, i.e., to keep clean what it has made clean, (for it requires the same merit and energy to preserve holiness in the soul of man, as to produce it,) or, as several MSS. and some versions read, καθαριει and καθαρισει, will cleanse; speaking of those who are already justified, and are expecting full redemption in his blood.<br />And being cleansed from all sin is what every believer should look for, what he has a right to expect, and what he must have in this life, in order to be prepared to meet his God. Christ is not a partial Saviour, he saves to the uttermost, and he cleanses from ALL sin." </i><div><i><br /></i></div><div><i>Woods: "Moreover, it cleanses from sin, not merely solely the conscience, but sin (amartias), all sin, whether of thought, word, or deed, rash sins, sins of ignorance, of malice, of omission or commission, sins of the flesh, sins of the disposition, sins of pleasure or of pain, sins of every type and kind committed at any time or place." </i><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>1 </i></span></div><div><br />1. <i><a href="https://www.studylight.org/commentary/1-john/1-7.html">1 John 1:7 - Verse-by-Verse Bible Commentary - StudyLight.org</a></i></div></div></div>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-54348426715963672932024-01-07T05:32:00.000-08:002024-01-08T04:50:07.927-08:00WHO IS MATT CANDLER? IHOP NEST OF VIPERS!<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsWEwB634ic"><b><i>Sunday Worship Service - Guest Matt Candler (youtube.com)</i></b></a></p><p>The murky depths of IHOP are thankfully being exposed and Matt Candler has replaced David Sliker as the President of IHOP University. Candler helped to set up IHOPKC in 1999.<i><span style="font-size: xx-small;">1</span></i> In other words, Candler lived under the Bickle's false prophesies and spiritual deception for many years, apparently without raising any concerns! (2 Timothy 3:13).</p><p>Two years ago Candler was a guest at <i>Legacy Church </i>in Washington which has all the hallmarks of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). Candler's false teaching begins at around the 1:20 mark.</p><p>Candler: <i>"..this is a title I feel like the Lord gave me..</i> <i>I want to talk about unbelief, friendship and the power of a preferred future." </i>This is not a good start! We should treat with caution people who claim '<i>the Lord gave me a word'</i><i>.</i> If anyone claims or implies that the Lord has given them a prophetic word in an unworthy manner they have committed a grievous sin. (1 John 4:1; 1 Corinthians 14:29; Deuteronomy 18:20-22; Jeremiah 28:9). </p><div>NAR buzzwords in bold:</div><div><i><br /></i></div><div>Candler: "<i>We are on the <b>precipice </b>of a <b>great outpouring</b> of the Holy Spirit we can't imagine.. bringing <b>transformation</b>... <b>unprecedented notable miracles</b> are going to <b>break out.</b>. <b>miracles </b>will be so commonplace but unbelief will also be rampant.."</i><div><i><br /></i></div><b><i>Imminent revival or apostasy? </i></b></div><div><b><i><br /></i></b>The "<i>imminent revival" </i>mantra is characteristic of false prophets and has no biblical foundation. (Ezekiel 13:10). No prophecy of an end-time revival exists in the New Testament. The scriptures prophesy rampant spiritual deception, apostasy, false prophets, lying signs and wonders, birth pains.. and ultimately worldwide spiritual deception under the Antichrist. (Acts 20:29; Revelation 13:14). We should reject those who prophesy that we are on the<i> "precipice of revival"</i> or <i>"awakening"</i>. False prophets tickle itching ears and tell us what we want to hear, not what we need to hear. (2 Timothy 4:3).</div><div><br />Candler's "<i>sermon" </i>is deeply flawed and incoherent. He teaches the false doctrine that believers should base their faith on<i> "notable miracles".</i> (Matthew 24:24; 2 Thessalonians 2:9).</div><div><br /></div>Candler: <i>"..when I think about unbelief you know I think about like seeing a miracle and being like unbelievable but I saw it and I'm like I see the works of God I read about the great works of God and outpouring of the spirit and i and I and there are people that they just think that they even see it they have a front row seat and they don't believe it and I'm thinking you just believe and I and there's a lot of talk especially in context of revival when the spirit is poured out and that the church is invited to ? church and outside the church and even in the bible to wrestle with. Do you believe this is true or is this not true in the book of Acts that was called a notable miracle and there's this issue of belief or unbelief but what I want to highlight is how can a person an individual us? included stand before something that was clearly notable and say I don't believe that because when we think of unbelief thinking all I need is enough evidence and then I'll be like I'll believe and the lord knows the depths of the human heart in a way and sees the roots of unbelief.." </i><div><i><b><br /></b></i></div><div><b><i>The difference between the works of Jesus and lying signs and wonders.</i></b></div><div><br /></div><div>I have seen many alleged signs and wonders by those who falsely claim God's authority. A few examples are Todd White's leg-lengthening trick; Kathryn Krick's false deliverances using actors; various false <i>"outpourings" (Toronto Pensacola etc.);</i> Benny Hinn's false prophecies; Mike Bickle's false prophecies; Kenneth Copeland and Rodney Howard-Browne's fake tongues; unverified <i>"healings",</i> Morris Cerullo's False Miracles, Shawn Bolz' smart phone<i> "cold readings" ~ </i>on and on and on! Why would I trust <i>"prophecies"</i> of <i>"notable miracles" </i>and "<i>imminent revival" </i>given the track record of these wolves? (Matthew 7:22-23). Not only are we faced with fake signs, but Jesus Christ Himself warned us of powerful demonic signs. (Revelation 13:13). </div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br />If anyone’s will is to do God’s will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority. (John 7:17).</span></i><div><br /></div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i>If I alone bear witness about myself, my testimony is not true. There is another who bears witness about me, and I know that the testimony that he bears about me is true. You sent to John, and he has borne witness to the truth. Not that the testimony that I receive is from man, but I say these things so that you may be saved. He was a burning and shining lamp, and you were willing to rejoice for a while in his light. But the testimony that I have is greater than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to accomplish, <b>the very works that I am doing, bear witness about me that the Father has sent me.</b> .. <b>You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. </b></i></span><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">(John 5:31-36, </span></i><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">39-40).</span></i></div><div><br /></div><div><div>Candler:<i> "They (the Pharisees) had the law, they had the scriptures.. they had their life, their reputation related to the scriptures.. the actual phrase is <b>'you don't want me though you love the scriptures'</b>".</i> This is absolutely false! Jesus condemned the Pharisees because they<b><i> did not love or follow the scriptures</i></b>, they followed the Oral law i.e. their traditions!<div><br /></div><div><i><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;">There is one who accuses you: Moses, on whom you have set your hope. For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?” (John 5:45-47).</span></b></i></div><br /><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Then Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat.”<b> He answered them, “And why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?</b> For God commanded, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’ But you say, ‘If anyone tells his father or his mother, “What you would have gained from me is given to God,” he need not honor his father.’ <b>So for the sake of your tradition you have made void the word of God. You hypocrites! </b>Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: “‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, <b>teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.</b>’” (Matthew 15:1-90.</span></i><div><br /></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">And he said to them,“<b>You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition</b>! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’ But you say, ‘If a man tells his father or his mother, “Whatever you would have gained from me is Corban”’ (that is, given to God)— then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother, <b>thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.</b>” (Mark 7:9-13).</span></i></div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i><br /></i></span></div><div><div>My advice to anyone still attending IHOP - <b>LEAVE!</b> IHOP is a nest of vipers and is saturated with false doctrine! (Matthew 12:34; Proverbs 1:7). </div></div><div><br /></div><i>1. <a href="https://www.ihopkc.org/resources/blog/my-ihopkc-experience-matt-dana-story/">My IHOPKC Experience: Matt & Dana's Story - IHOPKC BLOG</a></i> <div><b><i><br /></i></b></div></div><div><b><i>Further Links</i></b></div><div><br /></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn9-bQuYU2I">Disgraced Televangelists (youtube.com)</a><br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_PcIo0VfSo">Kenneth Copeland & Rodney Howard Browne Mighty Tongues Mighty Anointing (youtube.com)</a><br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiYvWBiEm8Y&t=84s">EcoWell UK V1 (youtube.com)</a><br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK8voEgK1SM&t=238s">30 Sec CS2589 CS Cont Rewired refresh (youtube.com)</a></span></i>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-10348938209428865022024-01-04T05:02:00.000-08:002024-01-05T03:47:42.017-08:00SPENCER SMITH'S INAPPROPRIATE JESTING AKA FOOLISH TALK <p><i><b> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oODaVzpIyPA">What is Jesting? (youtube.com)</a></b></i></p><p>In answer to Spencer Smith's charge that anyone who does not approve of his <i>foolish talk</i> has a <i>humourless sour disposition</i> and is <i>miserable</i>. We find our joy in the Lord Jesus Christ, not in Smith's version of humour, which apparently a number of people do not appreciate. </p><p>Smith:<i> "Smite that like button and all your dreams will come true." </i>This is fairly typical of Smith's idea of a joke. The underlying motive is of course that he wants to get as many hits on his channel as possible in order to generate income<i>. </i>Smith spends an inordinate amount of time merchandising, touting for subscriptions and donations, offering rewards for watching his videos, competitions, giveaways etc. He repeatedly tells his viewers to "<i>smite thine like button". </i>Smith's self-serving worldly behaviour is unseemly for a man of God.</p><p>Smith: "<i>There are a breed of people that think that anything like that is unspiritual..<span face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 19.2px;"> </span></span>I mean I don't want to be this prude where I'm just, you know, like some hermit in a monastery somewhere and I never smile. I don't think that's scriptural either.. and I did some studying in the Bible and I found out several things. <b>I found out that God laughs, I find out that merry heart doeth good like a medicine, </b>and I just don't think this humourless sour disposition is becoming of a Christian."</i></p>Smith's two absurd examples:<div><br /><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">But you, O LORD,<b> laugh at them</b>; you hold all the nations in derision. (Psalm 59:8 cf. Psalm 2:4; 37:13; Proverbs 1:26).</span></i> This expression<b> <i>does</i> </b><i><b>not</b> </i>concern God's humour, rather it expresses his contempt and derision. </div><br /><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">A <b>glad heart</b> makes a cheerful face, but by sorrow of heart the spirit is crushed. (Proverbs 15:13).</span></i> Smith quotes half the verse which continues with the opposite of <i>glad </i>i.e. <i>sorrow</i>.<i> The definition of glad </i>(<i>sameach</i>) is <i>glad, cheerful, merry. </i>This verse does not concern jesting!<div><br /><div>Benson:<i> "Hebrew, of a good heart, that is, composed, quiet, and contented, conscious of intending God’s glory in all things, and of being devoted to his service in love and obedience; hath a continual feast — Hath constant satisfaction and delight in all conditions, yea, even in affliction." <span style="font-size: xx-small;">1 </span></i><i><br /></i><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"> </span></i></div><div><div>Like many poor teachers, Smith doubles down on his ungodly behavior and attempts to justify it with the scriptures. Some have challenged Smith with Ephesians 5:3 regarding his inappropriate<i> foolish talk</i> or <i>jesting. </i>Smith proceeds to totally distort this verse to suit his own agenda. Ephesians 5:3 does, of course, refer to crude sexual jokes, but it <i><b>also</b></i> refers to<i> "<b>any</b> </i><i><b>kind of impurity or greed</b>".</i> In verse 4, Paul identifies idolatry as <b><i>immorality impurity and </i></b><i><b>greed</b></i>. This passage is clearly not limited to crude sexual jokes! Several <b><i>real</i> </b>theologians disagree with Smith's eisegesis of Ephesians 5:3.</div><div><p><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">But among you, as is proper among the saints, there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of <b>any kind of impurity, or of greed. </b>Nor should there be obscenity, <b>foolish talk</b>, or crude joking, which are out of character, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No <b>immoral, impure, or greedy</b> person (that is, an <b>idolater</b>), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. (Ephesiains 5:3-4)</span></i><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">.</span></i></p></div><div>Barnes:<i> "<b>Nor foolish talking </b>- This word - μωρολογία mōrologia - does not occur elsewhere in the New Testament. It means that kind of talk which is insipid, senseless, stupid, foolish; which is not suited to instruct, edify, profit - the idle 'chitchat' which is so common in the world. The meaning is, that Christians should aim to have their conversation sensible, serious, sincere - remembering the words of the Lord Jesus, "that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment;" <a href="https://biblehub.com/matthew/12-36.htm">Matthew 12:36</a>."</i></div><div><div><br />Ellicott:<i> "But rather giving of thanks.—The opposition is striking. 'The foolish talking and jesting' aim at mirth and play of mind; St. Paul will not austerely condemn, such light-heartedness, but he finds a wholesome and spiritual vent for it in the habitual expression of thankfulness to God, which proceeds from a natural and childlike cheerfulness. Exactly in the same spirit below (<a href="https://biblehub.com/context/ephesians/5-18.htm">Ephesians 5:18-20</a>) he contrasts the excitement of drunkenness with the being 'filled with the Spirit . . . giving thanks always for all things.'”</i><br /><br />Meyer: <i>"μωρολογία] is the carrying on of insipid, foolish talk. Antig. de Mirab. 126: μωρολωγίας καὶ ἀδολεσχίας, Arist. H. A. i. 11; Plut. Mor. 504 A.<br />εὐτραπελία] signifies properly ready versatility (from τρέπω and εὖ), urbanity; then specially a witty, jesting manner; and in a bad sense, as here, the witticism of frivolity, scurrilitas. See in general, Wetstein ad loc.; Dissen, ad Pind. p. 180; Krüger on Thuc. ii. 41. 1."</i></div></div><div><i><br /></i></div><div><i>Isaac Barrow: "All profane jesting, all speaking loosely and wantonly about holy things (things nearly related to God and religion), making such things the matters of sport and mockery, playing and trifling with them, is certainly prohibited, as an intolerably vain and wicked practice. It is an infallible sign of a vain and light spirit, which considereth little, and cannot distinguish things, to talk slightly concerning persons of high dignity, to whom especial respect is due; or about matters of great importance, which deserve very serious consideration.." <span style="font-size: xx-small;">2 </span></i><span face="Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #001320; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: xx-small;"> </span></span></div></div><div><span face="Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #001320; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><br /></span></span></div><i><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;">But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness.. (2 Timothy 2:16).</span></b></i><div><br /></div><div>I<i> do not</i> recommend Spencer Smith as a bible expositor for obvious reasons! I guess I will continue to be "<i>miserable" </i>and find my joy in the Lord! (Psalm 19:8).</div></div></div></div><div><br /></div><i>1. <a href="https://biblehub.com/commentaries/proverbs/15-13.htm">Proverbs 15:13 Commentaries: A joyful heart makes a cheerful face, But when the heart is sad, the spirit is broken. (biblehub.com)</a><br />2. <a href="https://biblehub.com/library/barrow/sermons_on_evil-speaking_by_isaac_barrow/against_foolish_talking_and_jesting.htm">Against Foolish Talking and Jesting. (biblehub.com)</a></i><div><i><br /></i></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: Spencer Smith (bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com)</span></i></div></span></i>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-35781431578150586102024-01-03T04:57:00.000-08:002024-01-14T07:36:37.115-08:00SAM ADAMS INDEPENDENCE BAPTIST CHURCH: DERANGED ANTI-SEMITIC RHETORIC <div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3dPAHW2fBE"><i><b>(177) Scofield's Hyper-Zionists: The Useful Idiots of Talmudic Judaism - YouTube</b></i></a><p><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside.. (1 Corinthians 5:12-13).</b></span></i></p><p>They say that in war, truth is the first casualty. In other words, facts are often distorted or suppressed during a conflict. It is virtually impossible to understand <i>exactly </i>what is happening between Israel and her enemies, and how much the deep state is involved. We are largely at the mercy of the media and self-appointed <i>"experts"</i> engaging in newspaper eisegesis. The scriptures are the <i><b>only </b></i>reliable source for Christians to somehow make sense of world events. </p><p>Tragically, many dispensational pre-trib believers have been taken in by leaders promoting the false teaching of cult leader John Nelson Darby and the corrupt Scofield Reference Bible which was widely circulated during the 20th century. It is a tragedy that many have been deceived by these charlatans, and the fallout from their deception continues to damage the body of Christ. Pre-trib dispensational teachers are the worst culprits who constantly speculate about the timing of the rapture and the <i>"tribulation"</i> which they wrongly define as a seven-year period.<i><span style="font-size: xx-small;">1 </span></i>Those <i>"prophecy experts"</i> who incessantly churn out end-time speculations about an imminent rapture should know better. The false hope of a pre-trib rapture is a critical issue that has divided the body of Christ. I fear this dangerous nonsense will end badly for many unless there is urgent repentance. (Proverbs 13:12; Matthew 24:10). </p><p>There are some critical points in Sam Adams' deranged<i> "sermon"</i> regarding Jewish Israelis and the land of Israel that are important to reject. </p><p>Adams' reaction to what he describes as the <i>"hyper-Zionist manifesto" </i>is an <b><i>opinion</i> </b>that is difficult to corroborate! He describes the Jews as highly aggressive warmongers..</p><p>Adams:<i> "As a result of their rightful claim to the land, Israel has a right, just as they did in the days of Joshua, to wage wars of aggression to drive out the Canaanites, now known as the 'Palestinians' to occupy and take over their land and their homes. That is basically what these people believe.<b> No one I know will actually come out and say this is their position, but the fact is, this is their position.."</b></i> Adam's views are based on pure speculation since no such thing has been stated. (1 John 4:1). (54:00 mark)</p><p>Adams further speculates: <i>"Point 5 of the hyper-Zionist manifesto: 'Those who claim to be Palestinians should move to Jordan or to some other location, and if they refuse to move then they must actually surrender their civil liberties or convert to Judaism.' Again, <b>most hyper-Zionists will not say this is their position..</b>"</i> (56:00 mark)</p><p>Adams: <i>"..today Israeli Jews have not even come near to the place where they will receive the Lord Jesus as their Messiah and until they come to that place which I do not believe will happen until the end of the tribulation when Christ returns in power and Glory.<b> Until that time we can presume that their house is left unto them desolate and they have no claim to all that land. That's right and all we can also presume that Jerusalem will be trod to the Gentiles until that wonderful day comes when Jesus does return in power and glory..</b></i> (52:00 mark) And yet the Jews are beloved! <i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. (Romans 11:28).</span></i></p><p>In a previous video, Adams claims:<i> "The Jews have no claim to that land.. not one verse in the bible that shows that the Jews will be restored to <b>all </b>the land before the end of the tribulation.." <span style="font-size: xx-small;">2</span></i><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b> </b></span></i>Adams' narrative is very dangerous! No one that I am aware of is arguing that the Jews have a right to <i><b>all </b></i>the land of <i>"Palestine"</i> at the present time. As such this is a moot point. The land allocated to Israel in 1948 doubled after the six-day war in 1967. Whether the land taken during the six-day war was warranted is highly debatable - there are <b><i>strong opinions </i></b>on both sides. This is a very complex situation that is not helped by speculative inflammatory judgements. (2 Corinthians 13:1). Why does Adams bring this up if not to fuel Antisemitism? Are Christians to make judgments about those outside the church? (1 Corinthians 5:12-13; Luke 12:2).</p></div><div>The other side of the argument is that Israel's very survival depends upon her ability to defend herself against her enemies. It seems certain that Israel would be obliterated if they did not defend themselves! The slogan <i>"Free Palestine from the river to the sea" </i> implicitly advocates the dismantling of Israel, and is a call for the removal or extermination of the Jewish population of the region.<i><span style="font-size: xx-small;">3</span></i></div><div><p>Israel's existence was determined by the United Nations following the horrors of the Holocaust. The Jews <i>did not </i>make an arbitrary decision to occupy the land as their <i>"right".</i> As many have pointed out, the land of Israel is a tiny speck compared with the vast lands of the surrounding Muslim nations in the Middle East. Before Israel’s Declaration of Independence on the 14th of May 1948, the land of Israel was sparsely populated and no one was interested in it. (Deuteronomy 28:63). This is borne out by many sources, including Mark Twain's travel book <i>The Innocents Abroad</i> following his trip to Israel in 1867. Twain described "<i>a desolate country – devoid of both vegetation and human population". </i></p>Twain: <i>“..A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds… a silent mournful expanse…. a desolation…. we never saw a human being on the whole route…. hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.”</i><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>4</i></span> <i><br /></i><p>It is clearly God's will for the Jews to return to their ancestral land at this time. God's unconditional promises to the true descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are irrevocable. <i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">I will give as an <b>everlasting possession </b>to you and your descendants after you.</span></i> (Genesis 15:18,26:3-4; Exodus 6:8 etc.).<i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"> </span></i>The presumption in the New Testament is that the Jews <i>will occupy</i> the land of Israel before Jesus' return. Ezekiel 37 describes the Jews returning to the land in an unregenerate state. Christians cannot possibly object to the Jewish occupation of the land, but inevitably their presence is objectionable to the enemies of Jesus Christ, <i>as well as </i>a significant number of professing Christians. </p><p>Is Adams' hostile rhetoric about the Jews helpful to <i><b>anyone </b></i>at this critical time, or has he gone beyond his remit?</p><p><a href="https://wordoftruthjohn1717.blogspot.com/2008/03/spurgeon-on-rapture.html"><iframe allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/OMmZIBI7k1k?si=Dl4Gmm0HwNpmPFA4" title="YouTube video player" width="560"></iframe></a></p><p><b><i>Adams ignorance of the scriptures</i></b></p><p>Another assumption by Adams is that Charles Spurgeon was<i> "post-trib".</i> I am not sure why Adams should seek confirmation from the writings of Calvinist Charles Spurgeon whose eschatology was unclear.</p>The Master's Seminary Journal: <i>"Lewis A. Drummond states, "Spurgeon confessed to be a pre-millennialist."1 Peter Masters, current 1 Lewis A. Drummond, Spurgeon: Prince of Preachers (Grand Rapids: Kregel, 1993) 650. 184 pastor of Spurgeon's church, The Metropolitan Tabernacle in London, stated, "Spurgeon . . . would have stood much closer to amillennialism than to either of the other scenarios recognized today"2 Erroll Hulse firmly declared Spurgeon to be postmillennial.3 2Peter Masters, 'Spurgeon's Eschatology,' The Sword and Trowel (December 1989):39. 3Erroll Hulse, The Restoration of Israel (London: Henry E. Walter Ltd., 1968) 154. Some in the 'Theonomist' movement (which holds postmillennialism as a cornerstone of its system) in their writings have implied that Spurgeon was postmil lennial. See Gary DeMar and Peter Leithart, The Reduction of Christianity (Tyler, Texas: Dominion, 1988) 41. Spurgeon could not have held all these positions. However, in which, if any, did he fit? The issue is an important one, as Spurgeon continues to be one of the most popular Christian authors in print, even a century after his death. Men of different positions seek to marshal support for their prophetic interpretations by appealing to Spurgeon." </i><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>5 </i></span><p>Spurgeon <i>appeared</i> to believe that believers would go through the tribulation. However, we cannot assume that he was post-trib as he might just as easily have been prewrath. </p><p>Adams seems ignorant of the fact that the tribulation <i>ends </i>with the cosmic disturbances <i><b>before </b></i>the wrath of God is poured out on the ungodly (the Day of the Lord). The rapture of the church becomes imminent after the cosmic disturbances and occurs before the seventh seal is opened as the scriptures indicate. </p><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>Immediately after the tribulation of those days</b> the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn,<b> and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.</b> (Mathew 24:29-31).</span></i></div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i><br /></i></span></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave<a href="https://biblehub.com/esv/revelation/6.htm#footnotes">d</a> and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb,<b> for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”</b> (Revelation 6:12-17).</span></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /></span></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">1. <a href="https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2017/11/the-seven-year-tribulation-fallacy.html">WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: THE SEVEN YEAR TRIBULATION FALLACY (bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com)</a> <br />2. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOSL_exDXqk">Israel vs Palestine -- "Anti Semitic" vs. Anti-TRUTH (youtube.com)</a> <br />3. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea">From the river to the sea - Wikipedia</a><br />4. <a href="https://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Books/Story844.html">The Innocents Abroad</a>, p. 361-362)<br />5. <a href="https://tms.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/tmsj7g.pdf">TMSJ 7/2 (Fall 1996) 183-212</a><br /> <br /></span></i><div><i><b>Further Links</b></i></div><div><i><b><br /></b></i></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIz7fhzY-BM">Israel and the Church - Dave Hunt (youtube.com)</a><br /><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-54116567">Israel's borders explained in maps - BBC News</a><br /><a href="https://www.britannica.com/event/Six-Day-War">Six-Day War | Definition, Causes, History, Summary, Outcomes, & Facts | Britana</a><br /><a href="https://www.alankurschner.com/2017/08/10/articles-for-posttribulationism-to-consider/">Articles for Posttribulationism to Consider | ESCHATOS MINISTRIES (alankurschner.com)</a><br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwXoMNpOhos&t=36s">7 Pretrib Problems and the Prewrath Rapture (Full Movie) (youtube.com)</a></span></i></div>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-75141227108217616672023-12-27T05:35:00.000-08:002023-12-28T03:35:02.833-08:00FALSE "APOSTLE" KATHRYN KRICK: THE DELIVERANCE RACKET<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hheoV8wG2-w"><b><i>Apostle Kathryn Krick 6 demon exorcism on 2 girls $$$ 4 deliverance (youtube.com)</i></b></a><br /><p>The claims of modern "<i>Apostle"</i> Kathryn Krick and other deliverance teachers are in large part the fruit of Derek Prince's false ministry. Prince is arguably the most significant teacher in the last 50 years to promote the controversial view that Christians can be <i>"demonized"</i>. Prince skewed the definition of <i>"demonized"</i> and promoted various unreliable ideas associated with demonization, deliverance, ancestral spirits, the alleged demonic implications of self-curses, generational curses and<i> "soulish prayers".</i></p><div>In the New Testament, the Greek verb <i>daimonizomai</i> <i>(demonized) </i>describes a person who is <i><b>indwelt </b></i>or <i><b>possessed </b></i>by a demon. </div><div><br /></div>Strongs: <i>daimonizomai: to be possessed by a demon<br />Original Word: δαιμονίζομαι<br />Part of Speech: Verb<br />Transliteration: daimonizomai<br />Phonetic Spelling: (dahee-mon-id'-zom-ahee)<br />Definition: to be possessed by a demon<br />Usage: I am possessed, am under the power of an evil-spirit or demon. <br />Greek daimonizomai (demonized); elsewhere rendered oppressed by demons<br /><br />Thayer's Greek Lexicon STRONGS NT 1139: δαιμονίζομαι<br /><br />δαιμονίζομαι; 1 aorist passive participle δαιμονισθείς; (δαίμων); to be under the power of a demon: ἄλλος κατ' ἄλλην δαιμονίζεται τυχην, <a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/philemon/1.htm">Philemon 1</a> in Stobaeus, ecl. phys. 1, p. 196; of the insane, Plutarch, symp. 7, 5, 4, and in other later authors. In the N. T. δαιμονιζόμενοι are persons afflicted with especially severe diseases, either bodily or mental (such as paralysis, blindness, deafness, loss of speech, epilepsy, melancholy, insanity, etc.), whose bodies in the opinion of the Jews demons (see δαιμόνιον) had entered, and so held possession of them as not only to afflict them with ills, but also to dethrone the reason and take its place themselves; accordingly, the possessed were accustomed to express the mind and consciousness of the demons dwelling in them; and their cure was thought to require the expulsion of the demon — (but on this subject see B. D. American edition under the word Demoniacs and references there; Weiss, Leben Jesu, book iii., chapter 6): <a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/4-24.htm">Matthew 4:24</a>; <a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/8-16.htm">Matthew 8:16, 28, 33</a>; <a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/9-32.htm">Matthew 9:32</a>; <a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/12-22.htm">Matthew 12:22</a>; <a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/15-22.htm">Matthew 15:22</a>; <a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/mark/1-32.htm">Mark 1:32</a>; <a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/mark/5-15.htm">Mark 5:15</a>; <a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/10-21.htm">John 10:21</a>; δαιμονισθείς, that had been possessed by a demon (demons), <a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/mark/5-18.htm">Mark 5:18</a>; <a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/8-36.htm">Luke 8:36</a>. They are said also to be ὀχλούμενοι ὑπό or ἀπό πνευμάτων ἀκαθάρτων, <a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/6-18.htm">Luke 6:18</a> (T Tr WH ἐνοχλούμενοι); <a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/acts/5-16.htm">Acts 5:16</a>; καταδυναστευόμενοι ὑπό τοῦ διαβόλου, i. e. by his ministers, the demons, <a href="https://biblehub.com/interlinear/acts/10-38.htm">Acts 10:38</a>. <span style="font-size: xx-small;">1</span></i><div><i><br /></i><div><div></div></div><div><div></div></div><div><div><i><b>Reasons why believers cannot be demon-possessed </b></i></div><div><br /></div><div>The deliverance racket is lethal to the body of Christ for many reasons.</div><div><br /></div><div>There is no explicit text in the New Testament demonstrating that believers<i> </i>can be possessed or indwelt by demons. Those who promote deliverance argue that there is nothing in the scriptures that precludes believers from being demonized. However, teachings based on silence are unreliable and cannot be tested. (1 John 4:1). Deliverance teachers are forced to abandon hermeneutics and enter the realm of speculation and eisegesis. The result is that many believers are left with an <i>open question</i> rather than assurance and clarity, and many are left in doubt and confusion. This teaching undermines numerous assertions found in the epistles regarding the freedom believers have in Jesus Christ. Deliverance is linked to the retrograde doctrines taught by false apostles who seek to make disciples after themselves (2 Corinthians 11:13; Acts 20:30), and who seek to put believers under the curse of the law. (Galatians 3:10-13; Deuteronomy 5:9,28:16; Exodus 34:7).</div><div><br /></div><div><div><div>* There is no instance of a <i>believer</i> being indwelt by demons and delivered in the New Testament.</div><div>* The epistles give no instructions regarding delivering believers from demons. </div><div>* Deliverance is never referred to as an integral part of any Christian meeting in the New Testament. </div><div>* When believers assemble together, all things should be done in an orderly manner. (1 Corinthians 14:26-33). The purpose of the Christian assembly is to glorify Jesus Christ and to encourage one another in the faith. (Hebrews 10:24). These disruptive pantomimes detract from true worship and do not glorify God.</div><div>* People who were possessed by demons in the New Testament were <i><b>known</b> </i>to be possessed due to their <i>extreme involuntary behaviour</i> affecting not only themselves but their families and the wider community. (Luke 8:27; Mark 9:18). The New Testament gives no indication of involuntary demonic behaviour amongst believers <i>after</i> their conversion.</div><div>* We see the same people (actors) being repeatedly <i>"delivered"</i> by Krick. Those repeatedly<i> "exorcised"</i> by Krick and other deliverance "<i>ministers"</i> simulate demonic possession. <i><span style="font-size: xx-small;">2</span> </i></div><div>* Krick states that people need to sow (money) for deliverance. (14:46 mark). She promotes the wicked lie that money spent on psychics needs to be surpassed by the person allegedly <i>"possessed"</i> due to some alleged <i>"spiritual law - to unlock the keys of deliverance".</i> </div><div>* Believers are <i>delivered from </i>darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God. (Acts 26:18).</div><div>* The instructions given to believers regarding <i>external</i> spiritual attacks:</div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"> Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. (Ephesians 6:10-18)</span></i><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. (James 4:7).</span></i></div><div>* The deliverance racket is a distraction from Paul's exhortation to direct our thoughts towards pure and praiseworthy things. (Philippians 4:8).</div><div>* Believers are temples of the living God. (2 Corinthians 6:16; John 14:23).<i></i></div><div>* Believers are sealed by the Holy Spirit. (Ephesians 4:30).</div><div>* Paul exhorts believers not to grieve the Holy Spirit. (Ephesians 4:1,30).</div><div>* Deliverance detracts attention away from Jesus Christ onto the alleged demons.</div><div>* Deliverance compromises the scriptures and puts believers into bondage. </div><div>* The deliverance racket denies the blood of Jesus. (John 8:36). </div><div>* People often come back for deliverance repeatedly - this demonstrates that it is not successful. When Jesus expelled demons it resulted in <i>complete deliverance</i>. (Mark 5:15; Mark 16:9). </div><div>* Deliverance involves mind control and subjective experience.</div><div><i>*</i> Jesus' exorcisms were not long drawn-out affairs ~ they were brief and decisive. (Matthew 8:16, 32,17:18). </div><div><i>* </i>Jesus did not initiate dialogue with demons or ask them to identify themselves. Jesus knew exactly what they were e.g. the case of the <i>"deaf and mute spirit".</i> (Mark 9:25).</div><div>* Deliverance adds to the word of God. (Proverbs 30:6). </div><div>*Those who practice deliverance inevitably promote other false teachings that are harmful to the body of Christ. </div><div><br /></div><i><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. (2 Corinthians 5:17).<br />Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. (2 Corinthians 3:17).<br />So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. (John 8:36).</span></b></i></div><div><i><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. (Ephesians 1:3).</span></b></i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b><i><br /></i></b></span><div><br /></div><div>If a <b><i>true</i> <i>Christian</i></b> is in the throes of a severe spiritual attack, it is sheer folly to put oneself at the mercy of false deliverance teachers. In my view, this kind of <i>"ministry"</i> is very dangerous due to the suspect character and the sheer fakery practiced by those involved in it. Ironically those who dabble in spiritual things without God's authority are likely to <i>attract</i> demons. (Acts 19:13-16). Deliverance "<i>ministers" </i>encourage believers to abdicate personal responsibility and reduce personal problems and sin to the level of demonic possession and/or curses; they fail to appreciate more complex issues such as personal responsibility, self-control and endurance. (1 Peter 1:6; Ephesians 4:25-32,6:13). Sometimes people can be sick for unknown reasons. (John 9:2-3). Sometimes, sin (i.e. bad lifestyle choices) is responsible for sickness. (John 5:5,14). Furthermore, we should not think it is unusual to face trials and difficulties of various kinds. (James 1:2; 1 Peter 1:6-7,4:12). The answer to a spiritual attack is to throw oneself onto God Himself and seek Him for the solution rather than rely on the blasphemous profanities of false teachers and their cheap dramas.</div><div><div><br /></div><div>Kathryn Krick's recent <i>"Prophetic Warning for the Body of Christ"</i> is an unsanctioned attempt to foist the NAR and its false <i>"Apostles"</i> and <i>"Prophets"</i> onto the church. Faithful Christians should reject this <i>"warning" </i>and anything else that comes out of the NAR. </div><div><div><br /></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>And you, son of man, be not afraid of them, nor be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns are with you and you sit on scorpions. Be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, for they are a rebellious house. And you shall speak my words to them, whether they hear or refuse to hear, for they are a rebellious house. (Ezekiel 2:6-7).</b></span></i><div><div><div><div><br /></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiCfAigJiuH371UomlK3dtLK-DAoQTpj62mJMIctCk_U2omXD5HNjSM-qfF_42XQ_xcqS3As2F4BEQr2fx_ObPAT9zUCv0TUL2Ay3pcSV-IUKkhY6r3BbaTeDxDyTAWKfWlXbTtwz6GOBPPOH6MhPDXewjkC22W83XJut4o4Q3prxusq1JPuz7cow8Wvn8/s717/krick%20.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="409" data-original-width="717" height="366" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiCfAigJiuH371UomlK3dtLK-DAoQTpj62mJMIctCk_U2omXD5HNjSM-qfF_42XQ_xcqS3As2F4BEQr2fx_ObPAT9zUCv0TUL2Ay3pcSV-IUKkhY6r3BbaTeDxDyTAWKfWlXbTtwz6GOBPPOH6MhPDXewjkC22W83XJut4o4Q3prxusq1JPuz7cow8Wvn8/w640-h366/krick%20.png" width="640" /></a></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b><br /></b></span></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>..and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them. (Acts 20:30).</b></span></i></div></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /></span></i></div><div><i><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;">For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. (2 Corinthians 11:13).</span></b></i></div><div><i><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /></span></b></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. (Matthew 24:4-5).</b></span></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b><br /></b></span></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false. (Revelation 2:2).</b></span></i></div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b><i><br /></i></b></span><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. (1 Timothy 2:12).</b></span></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b><br /></b></span></i></div><div><i>1. </i><a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/1139.htm"><i>Strong's Greek: 1139. δαιμονίζομαι (daimonizomai) -- to be possessed by a demon (biblehub.com)</i></a></div><div>2. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COwD-KyFYRI"><i>Paid actors flopping like dead fish at cult leader Kathryn Krick’s Holland shady cult gathering. (youtube.com)</i></a></div><div><br /></div><b><i>Further Links</i></b><i><br /><br /><a href="https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/search/label/Derek%20Prince">WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: Derek Prince (bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com)</a><br /><a href="https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/themelios/article/deliverance-the-evolution-of-a-doctrine/">Deliverance: The Evolution of a Doctrine - The Gospel Coalition</a><br /><a href="https://africa.thegospelcoalition.org/article/why-deliverance-ministries-fail-to-deliver/">Why Deliverance Ministries Fail to Deliver - TGC Africa (thegospelcoalition.org)</a></i></div></div></div>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-31503596321274346722023-12-11T04:48:00.000-08:002024-01-19T13:03:28.308-08:00ONE CHURCH LEICESTER: VISION SUNDAY 12 NOVEMBER 2023 AND MORE ABOUT OPEN HANDS<i><b>ONE CHURCH VISION SUNDAY 12 NOVEMBER 2023 "We build through our encounter of faith".... <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUVuxRJ-W1Q">(143) One Church Together - VISION SUNDAY | 12th November 2023, 11.15am - YouTube</a></b></i><br /><br />The visiting speaker at the above meeting was "<i>Reverend"</i> Dominic Yeo from Singapore. Yeo was introduced by David Hind as <i>The General Superintendent of The Assemblies of God of Singapore, and the Secretary of the World Assemblies of God Fellowship.</i> Yeo is also the Chairman of the Asia Pacific Assemblies of God Fellowship and an Executive Committee Member of the Pentecostal World Fellowship.<span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i> 1</i> </span> These titles and positions sound very impressive, but they are irrelevant to God. (Luke 14:11; 2 Corinthians 10:17; Acts 10:34).<div><br /><div>The alleged <i>"vision"</i> of ONE Church for 2023/4 is <i>"strengthening", </i>although it appears to me that it majors on even more requirements to give money from their already berated congregation. <span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>2</i></span><i> </i>In typical NAR style, Yeo announced a <i>"watershed moment - a moment that will literally change your life.."</i> Yeo's unbalanced message was experience-based and anti-biblical. Yeo:<i> "The only way to build is through a divine encounter with Him.. Bible study does not increase our knowledge, it increases only an academic knowledge but not an existential knowledge, do you understand? It's not an experience, but in the experience of God you know something more about God.." </i> (1:21 mark) This wicked teaching is in direct contradiction to the scriptures. (1 John 4:1; Hebrews 4:12; Psalm 119:15-16, 47-48,105; Proverbs 3:1-2; Romans 15:4; 2 Timothy 3:14-17; Matthew 22:29 etc.) The antidote to false doctrine is the scriptures! Many NAR leaders actively discourage their followers from studying the scriptures because it suits their purposes to keep their followers biblically ignorant so that they do not have the know-how or discernment to test the spirits. False prophecy is a particular feature of the end times, and unless we test the spirits<b> <i>as the scriptures command</i></b>, we will be deceived. The scriptures emphasize the primary responsibility of pastors/elders to protect their congregation from false teaching and other harmful influences. Those leaders who fail in this respect and propagate false doctrines will reap destruction! (2 Peter 2:1-3; Jude 1:3-16).</div><div><br /></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>Keep watch over yourselves and the entire flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which He purchased with His own blood. I know that after my departure, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number, men will rise up and distort the truth to draw away disciples after them. Therefore be alert and remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears. (Acts 20:28-31).</b></span></i><div><br /></div><div><div>Yeo: <i>"Pastor David is one of the most infectious people I've known in my life he's extremely excited and he's jumping all the time yeah.</i><i>."</i> (1:11:50 mark) </div><div><br />I have previously commented that David Hind's bizarre behaviour borders on the manic. Someone who jumps around all the time in an agitated manner and uses exaggerated hand movements should generate questions about their stability. (1 Timothy 3:1-3; 2 Timothy 1:7; Galatians 5:22-23).</div><div><br /><b><i>David Hind false prophet!</i></b></div><div><br /></div><div>About eighteen months ago Hind employed the infamous NAR mantra <i><b>"imminent revival"</b></i>. Needless to say this<i> "prophecy"</i> was not fulfilled. (Jeremiah 5:13). Susan Hind also claims to be <i>"prophetic", </i>and ONE Church has resident NAR "<i>prophet"</i> Simon Braker within their ranks. This makes ONE Church a lethal place to attend! </div><div><br /></div><div><div style="background-color: white; font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Trebuchet, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><i><span style="color: #800180;">* <b>David Hind (1st May 2022): "This is a fulfillment season, an outbreak season</b><b>.</b>" Over a year later, according to David Hind, we are still on the cusp of revival. This is the typical mantra of false prophets who constantly repeat that we are on the cusp of something enormous, but that "something" never happens - NAR buzzwords: revival, breakthrough, outbreak, awakening etc.</span></i></div><div style="background-color: white; font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Trebuchet, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><i><span style="color: #800180;"><br /></span></i></div><div style="background-color: white; font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Trebuchet, sans-serif;"><span style="color: #800180;"><b style="font-size: 13px; font-style: italic;">* End-time revival or apostasy? </b><i style="font-size: 13px;">The revival mantra of the false prophets has no biblical foundation whatsoever. No prophecy of an end-time revival exists in the New Testament. The New Testament prophesies rampant spiritual deception, apostasy, false prophets, lying signs and wonders, birth pains.. and ultimately worldwide spiritual deception under the Antichrist. (</i><a class="rtBibleRef" data-purpose="bible-reference" data-reference="Rev 13.14" data-version="esv" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Rev%2013.14" rel="noopener" style="font-size: 13px; font-style: italic; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank">Revelation 13:14</a><i style="font-size: 13px;">). We should be very wary of those who consistently prophesy "revival" or "awakening". False prophets tickle itching ears and tell us what we want to hear, not what we </i><b style="font-size: 13px; font-style: italic;">need</b><i style="font-size: 13px;"> to hear. (</i><a class="rtBibleRef" data-purpose="bible-reference" data-reference="2 Tim 4.3" data-version="esv" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/2%20Tim%204.3" rel="noopener" style="font-size: 13px; font-style: italic; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank">2 Timothy 4:3</a><i style="font-size: 13px;">). </i><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>3</i></span></span></div></div></div><div style="background-color: white; font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Trebuchet, sans-serif;"><span style="color: #800180;"><i style="font-size: 13px;"><br /></i></span></div><div><div><b><i>Yeo's typical NAR narrative complete with buzzwords</i></b></div><div><br /><i>"..it is very important as your church is at a <b>threshold, </b>and I sense this. I'm going to say this prophetically. You and Leicester church is <b>standing on a threshold,</b> and depending on how this scale of eternity flip, you either<b> step into your destiny,</b> or you fall off your <b>destiny,</b> and that is going to be through an <b>encounter</b> with Christ that will enlarge, that will deepen your faith in Him.. that will build <b>through revelation</b>.. out of conviction comes <b>manifestation</b>.."</i> (1:22 mark) </div><div><br /></div><div><b><i>Do we need a divine encounter?</i></b></div><div><b><i><br /></i></b></div><div>Yeo:<b><i> </i></b><i>"..the only way to build together is number one you must build through the <b>encounter</b> of faith you can only build the king you see the kingdom of God cannot be built by our hands but it must be built through the <b>encounter</b> of faith and that's why Jesus turns to the disciples and ask them this question - 'Who do people 1say that I am?' You see because when he started off 'Who do people say I am', and they gave all the different answers, and then he turns around and say 'Who do you', see it's always </i><i>a place of <b>encounter.</b> God does not want you to know him in your past and not to know him in the present. A lot of people will tell you 'I'm a Christian' and then when you dig more about their relationship with Jesus you find that they have none at all. They had a one-time experience and then for the rest of their life they never had a <b>daily</b> <b>Encounter</b> With Jesus.." </i>(1:17 mark). Yeo's command of the English language is terrible. His listeners have the double challenge of incoherent theology delivered in very poor English. </div><div><br /></div><div>Seeking a dramatic life-changing <i>"encounter" </i>with God on a daily basis will end in disappointment. Christians are not promised daily earth-shattering <i>"encounters". </i>True Christians can be assured of God's presence as we put our trust in Him, as we pray, as we study His word and as we walk in obedience. There may be times when we are more conscious of His presence than others, but we rely on truth not on experience! God has told us through His Word: <i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">I will always be with us to the end of the age. (Matthew 28:20; Matthew 18:20).</span></i> Yeo is <i><b>actually</b> </i>suggesting that those who hear this message should put their faith in this particular<i> "vision" </i>contrived by Hind and the leaders of ONE Church. Our faith is not in a contrived <i>"vision",</i> our faith is in Jesus Christ! (2 Corinthians 5:7). There is much more I could say about Yeo's "<i>sermon"</i>, but hopefully I have made my point. </div><div><br /></div><div><b><i>Open Hands</i></b></div><div><br /></div><div><div>ONE Church's biblical illiteracy is graphically demonstrated on their Open Hands website. They quote Matthew 25:35-36 <i><b>out of context</b></i> in an attempt to justify the existence of Open Hands at the expense of the gospel.<span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i> 4</i></span></div><div><i><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><br /></span></i></div><div><i><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjRLA2vXwKiH7Y9wC03bw2eaMrnmJZL05v715LGuvEjMDSD1VywCSJsu8Ym7ZIK1aLIuzZEAA1RzqQqUQLz1_Sb_z23DE0tinMQkpv3npaw3QGQGjbkMWPcvdy5EZB7xDdbu4s9KyfoIoLByKC7azVo4NVldi_FWKMpAUeD7WjLXOp0b2b2YHndHCLdGus/s1473/open%20hands%20.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="877" data-original-width="1473" height="382" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjRLA2vXwKiH7Y9wC03bw2eaMrnmJZL05v715LGuvEjMDSD1VywCSJsu8Ym7ZIK1aLIuzZEAA1RzqQqUQLz1_Sb_z23DE0tinMQkpv3npaw3QGQGjbkMWPcvdy5EZB7xDdbu4s9KyfoIoLByKC7azVo4NVldi_FWKMpAUeD7WjLXOp0b2b2YHndHCLdGus/w640-h382/open%20hands%20.png" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div></i>The above verses apply to needy <b><i>believers</i></b>, not to unbelievers. If they had bothered to read beyond verse 36 to verse 40 the context is obvious:</div><div><i><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /></span></b></i></div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i>For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.</i></span><i><span style="font-size: xx-small;"> 4 </span></i><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ And the King will answer them, <b>‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’</b> (Matthew 25:35-40).</span></i><br /><br />Bengel's Gnomen: <i>"<a href="https://biblehub.com/matthew/25-35.htm">Matthew 25:35</a>. Ἐδώκατέ, κ.τ.λ., ye have given, etc.[1100]) Of all good and bad actions, those will be especially mentioned which have been performed to the saints, which presuppose faith and love towards Jesus Christ and His brethren, and involve confession of His name, which are most frequent, and remarkable, and conspicuous; and then, from the manifest glory of the Lord, the dignity of His brethren, and the character of good and evil actions towards them, will be manifest; cf. ch. <a href="https://biblehub.com/context/matthew/10-40.htm">Matthew 10:40-41</a>."</i><br /><br />Gill:<i> "..for this was done by them, not as the effect of mere humanity to the poor in general, but as an instance of affection to Christ's poor; and was done for his sake, and because they belonged to him, were preachers of his Gospel, and professors of his name; and therefore was considered as if done to himself personally:" </i><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>5</i></span></div><i><b><br />Open Hands has shifted from lottery funding to government grants</b></i><div><br /></div>The scandal of TLC's leadership (now ONE Church Leicester) and their godless application for lottery funding in 2013 has been documented by me in previous posts. TLC had no qualms about throwing Jesus Christ under the bus for filthy lucre! (1 Timothy 3:3). I have addressed the ethical implications of TLC's lottery funding in a previous post.<i><span style="font-size: xx-small;"> 6 </span></i> At that time, David Hind and his cohorts pursued their greedy agenda under the unholy influence of TLC's former Director and Trustee, Adam Simmonds, who was Northamptonshire PCC from 2012-2016. I have often wondered whether TLC's application for lottery funding would have been successful if Simmonds had not been Director of TLC at that time!</div><div><br /></div><div>Big Lottery Fund: <i>“Lottery distributors' rules make a distinction between religious activities and the community projects churches run. They say: "The project outcomes are key, rather than the non-project activities and ethos of the organization. <b>Crucially, the activities undertaken with lottery money cannot promote religion or belief.</b>" <span style="font-size: xx-small;">7</span></i></div><div><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i><br /></i></span></div><div>Open Hands received £34.50k income from government grants at the end of December 2022: <i>"Income from government grants N/A £33.64k N/A N/A £34.50k" <span style="font-size: xx-small;"> 8 </span></i><br /><br />It appears that very similar, if not identical, constraints regarding the promotion of religious activities apply to faith-based bodies receiving government grants. Gov.uk: <i>"There is no law against funding faith-based bodies, nor is there any Government policy discouraging this. Whilst it should be transparent that in most cases <b>funds will not primarily be used to promote the specifically religious activities of the funded body</b>, there is a difference between solely religious activity and wider faith based work for the common good. Often faith-based bodies are best placed to deliver services."<span style="font-size: xx-small;"> 9</span></i> </div><div><br /></div><div>The above stipulation should be enough to dissuade any <i>bona fide</i> church from applying for government grants. Entering into ungodly contracts with secular government departments and agreeing to their conditions is to yoke oneself to them. (2 Corinthians 6:14). By agreeing to abide by the stipulation <i><b>not to promote specific religious activities</b></i> runs counter to the scriptures which <b><i>prioritize</i></b> sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ. <i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel! (1 Corinthians 9:16). </b></span></i></div><div><br /></div><div><div>I do not have to be a prophet to say that there will be consequences for these actions.</div><div><br /></div><div><i><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age. (Matthew 28:19-20).</span></b></i></div><div><br /></div><div><div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">And Saul said to Samuel, “I have obeyed the voice of the LORD. I have gone on the mission on which the LORD sent me. (1 Samuel 15:20).</span></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br />Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. (Matthew 7:21; cf. Ephesians 5:7).</span></i></div></div><div><br /></div></div></div></div><div><div>Paul and his companions were ready to suffer hardship, poverty, and ill-treatment for the sake of the gospel. This is a very far cry from ONE Church's obsession with money and their false NAR gospel, the contrast is woefully obvious. </div><div><br /><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i><b>And now, behold, I am going to Jerusalem, constrained by the Spirit, not knowing what will happen to me there, except that the Holy Spirit testifies to me in every city that imprisonment and afflictions await me. But I do not account my life of any value nor as precious to myself, if only I may finish my course and the ministry that I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God. And now, behold, I know that none of you among whom I have gone about proclaiming the kingdom will see my face again. Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all, for I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God. Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them. (Acts 20:22-30).</b></i></span><br /><b><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br />And now, Lord, look upon their threats and grant to your servants to continue to speak your word with all boldness, while you stretch out your hand to heal, and signs and wonders are performed through the name of your holy servant Jesus.” And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness. (Acts 4:29-31).</span></i></b><br /><br /><b><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money. (Matthew 6:24).<br /><br />Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? (2 Corinthians 6:14).</span></i></b></div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjnkb8x_8Sc0Bw0s5EtwV9cGHoIGHrAq_EUqsASQXrLQj_dIV9XzrFr1ZraoWx39JMJCsTZv3a4y5tP2QVcIn7rjdgqcql84EHMeYfWyVJUfCqB29GbUf_6a7bRmfwzvPOpc_XHxWo3FYuDfLfmxAzqSE7f_OC2UoY2NI8SQlL0WnU0Y5Jxl_ONfzbuD3c/s701/NAR%20WARNING.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="657" data-original-width="701" height="600" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjnkb8x_8Sc0Bw0s5EtwV9cGHoIGHrAq_EUqsASQXrLQj_dIV9XzrFr1ZraoWx39JMJCsTZv3a4y5tP2QVcIn7rjdgqcql84EHMeYfWyVJUfCqB29GbUf_6a7bRmfwzvPOpc_XHxWo3FYuDfLfmxAzqSE7f_OC2UoY2NI8SQlL0WnU0Y5Jxl_ONfzbuD3c/w640-h600/NAR%20WARNING.png" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div>Holly Pivec: <i>"NAR teachings and practices have divided families, split churches, stunted the spiritual growth of believers, and left countless Christians disillusioned by promises of healing and miraculous power that haven’t panned out. They’ve also damaged the church’s witness to a watching world." <span style="font-size: xx-small;">10 </span></i></div><br /></div></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">1. <a href="https://www.ag.org.sg/profile/reverend-dominic-yeo/">Reverend Dominic Yeo – Assemblies of God Singapore (ag.org.sg)</a> <br />2. <a href="https://www.onechurch.org.uk/vision">Vision | One Church Leicester</a><br />3. <a href="https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/search/label/One%20Church%20Leicester">WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: One Church Leicester (bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co</a><a href="https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/search/label/One%20Church%20Leicester">m)</a><br />4. <a href="https://www.openhandsleicester.org.uk/church-support/">Church banner – Open Hands (openhandsleicester.org.uk)</a><br />5. <a href="https://biblehub.com/commentaries/matthew/25-35.htm">Matthew 25:35 Commentaries: For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; (biblehub.com)</a><br />6. <a href="https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/search/label/Trinity%20Life%20Church%20Leicester?updated-max=2020-03-08T04:42:00-07:00&max-results=20&start=8&by-date=false">WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: Trinity Life Church Leicester (bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com)</a><br />7. <a href="http://www.biglotteryfund.org.uk/">http://www.biglotteryfund.org.uk/</a><br />8. <a href="https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/sector-data/top-10-charities/-/charity-details/4033608/full-print">Charity overview, OPEN HANDS TRUST (LEICESTER) - 1121334, Register of Charities - The Charity Commission</a><br />9. <a href="https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/7617/15073411.pdf">15073411.pdf (publishing.service.gov.uk)</a><br />10. <a href="https://www.hollypivec.com/about">About 1 — Holly Pivec</a></span></i><div></div>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com5tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-19387462502326054042023-11-30T05:38:00.000-08:002023-12-02T04:27:39.947-08:00KEITH FOSKEY ~THE IRREVERENT "KING OF THE AMILLENNIALSTS"<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg2KVanM_fk_8Cg12mIubFp30jblL0pFxZNW4EJEkdo-RydEQPWrnVKpVKc8IBtTi0CpQYQTNRLMdkTE0ph3XBvWIkNGipHKpCnlFd2vfva2W2gcTLe9NKeR4JHr5TMfEnctBtAMYwlxBQyAwHnU6gjUxAykTuU-Y4cOTUWjw0OTNYZrPt8hXF73eXIbkg/s447/foskey%20king%20of%20the%20amils.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="351" data-original-width="447" height="502" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg2KVanM_fk_8Cg12mIubFp30jblL0pFxZNW4EJEkdo-RydEQPWrnVKpVKc8IBtTi0CpQYQTNRLMdkTE0ph3XBvWIkNGipHKpCnlFd2vfva2W2gcTLe9NKeR4JHr5TMfEnctBtAMYwlxBQyAwHnU6gjUxAykTuU-Y4cOTUWjw0OTNYZrPt8hXF73eXIbkg/w640-h502/foskey%20king%20of%20the%20amils.png" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div><div>Keith Foskey is the "<i>pastor"</i> of Sovereign Grace Family Church in Jacksonville Florida, and is the host of <i>Conversations with a Calvinist</i>. I wonder how any serious bible believer can accept an obese <i>"pastor" </i>who glorifies himself as the <i>"King of Amillennialists", </i>wears a crown, turns our precious faith into a circus, and teaches faulty doctrines. (2 Peter 1:1). Foskey's lack of humility and trivialization of the scriptures is just as scandalous as any NAR false teacher. By biblical standards, Foskey does not meet the criteria of a true pastor. (Titus 1:7-16; James 5:5; Proverbs 23:2; Ezekiel 16:49). </div><div><br />At a charity event for <i>Set Free ministry</i> in Jacksonville On November 4th, Foskey was introduced as<i> "The Right Reverend and High Holiness". <span style="font-size: xx-small;">1</span> </i>Is it legitimate to reduce the ministry of those called to serve God as elders and pastors to irreverent babble and comedy? (2 Timothy 2:16). We do not find the apostles joking about their calling in this way! Foskey justifies his ungodly behaviour by quoting Proverbs 15:13 ~ <i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">A merry (שָׂמֵחַ) heart maketh a cheerful countenance (KJV). </span></i>The adjective<i> שָׂמֵחַ (sameach)</i> does not refer to cheap jokes, it indicates <i>glad joyful merry.</i>.<i> <span style="font-size: xx-small;">2</span></i><span style="font-size: xx-small;"> </span></div><div><br /></div><div>John Gill: "<i>A merry heart maketh a cheerful countenance,.... Or, a "joyful heart" (c); that is joyful in the God of its salvation; that rejoices in Christ Jesus; is filled with joy and peace through believing in him, in his person, blood, righteousness, and sacrifice; that has a comfortable view of his justification by his righteousness, of peace and pardon by his blood, of the atonement of his sins by his sacrifice; to whom he has said, "be of good cheer, thy sins are forgiven thee", <a href="https://biblehub.com/matthew/9-2.htm">Matthew 9:2</a>; who has peace in him, though tribulation in the world: as such a man's heart must be made glad, this will make his countenance cheerful, or cause him to lift up his head with joy; as it is in natural things, so it is in spiritual ones;" <span style="font-size: xx-small;">3 </span> </i></div><div><i><br /></i></div>Those who go along with Foskey in this foolishness, including Spencer Smith, should repent and have nothing to do with his unseemly behaviour and false doctrines. <span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>4</i></span> <div><br /></div><div><div>Foskey delights in issuing "<i>kingly"</i> decrees:</div><div><br /><i>"..pre-millennialists and dispensational pre-millennialists must choose a representative to joust on the bow of Ken Ham's Ark every seven years between now and the time that Jesus returns." <span style="font-size: xx-small;">5</span> </i><div><br /></div><div><div>Amillennialism is the incorrect view that the <i>“thousand years”</i> of Christ’s reign in Revelation 20:1-6 should be interpreted symbolically rather than as a literal period of one thousand years. Amillennialists allegorize and reinterpret the book of Revelation and various Old Testament passages that describe the millennium as a physical kingdom. The doctrine of premillennialism was the consensus of the majority of the early Church Fathers ~ although it is important to note that the early Fathers were <i>not</i> pretribulational. Amillennialism was originally introduced in the fourth century by Augustine of Hippo and Origen. </div></div></div><div><span style="background-color: white; font-family: Poppins; font-size: 16px;"><br /></span></div><div>In Foskey's own words: <i>"We do not believe that the millennium is a literal thousand-year period, but what that thousand years represents is the time between Christ's first coming and His second coming or his final coming, and we call that the inter-advent period the period between his two advents he came once and he will come again and the time between his first and second coming is known as the millennial age that's where we are.." <span style="font-size: xx-small;">6</span> </i></div><div><br /></div>Foskey:<i> "How can we conclude that Satan is bound right now?"</i><div><i><br /></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">..how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first <b>bind</b> the strong man? (Matthew 12:29).</span></i> Jesus' parabolic question is probably based on Isaiah 49:24-25. The scriptures indicate that at the beginning of the millennium,<i> "the strong man"</i> i.e. Satan, is <b style="font-style: italic;">bound</b> for a thousand years. (Revelation 20:1-2). The amillennial view that Satan was bound at the cross is neither practical or realistic for a number of reasons outlined below. </div><div><br /></div><div><b style="font-style: italic;">Various deficiencies in the Amillennial view </b><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>7</i> </span></div></div><div><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><br /></span></div><div><div><div>Revelation 19 and 20 are sequential events stemming from the return of Christ in chapter 19. Amillennialists limit their eisegesis to an isolated view of Revelation 20. </div><div>The reign of Christ with His saints is contingent upon a literal resurrection of the dead, <i><b>not</b></i> as amillennialists assert, from an unregenerate life of sin to the point of conversion or regeneration. (Revelation 20:4-5).</div><div>In Revelation 20:3 Satan is bound in order to to prevent him from deceiving the nations. </div><div>In Revelation 12:9 Satan is described as<i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"> the deceiver of the whole world.</span></i><br /></div><div>In Revelation 12:12-13 the dragon (Satan) is thrown down to the earth. </div><div>In Revelation 20:1-2 Satan is banished from the earth and is thrown into the Abyss. This event coincides with the beginning of the future millennial reign of Christ. Satan cannot be confined to the earth and imprisoned in the Abyss simultaneously. </div><div>Satan is active and powerful in the present evil age. (Galatians 1:4 1 John 5:19; 2 Corinthians 4:4; 1 Peter 5:18 etc.) </div><div>During the millennial age described in Revelation 20, there is a total cessation of Satan's activity until he is released from the Abyss after the thousand years are complete. (Revelation 20:7).</div><div>Following the thousand years, Satan is cast into the lake of fire following his final attempt to wage war on the saints. (Revelation 20:7-10). </div><div>A period of one thousand years separates the fate of the beast and the false prophet and Satan who is thrown into the lake of fire a little over a thousand years later. </div><div>To assert that the thousand years began at the crucifixion (<i>or</i> <i>as some would argue</i> on the conversion of individual believers) leaves us questioning the reason why the beast and the false prophet are thrown alive into the lake of fire prior to the thousand-year period. (Revelation 19:20). </div><div>Amillennialists argue that the premillennial position regarding the present freedom of Satan contradicts the effects of the crucifixion. However, by their own warped reasoning, their admission that Satan must be released for a brief period of time at the end of the millennium also contradicts the effects of the crucifixion. (Revelation 20:3). </div><div>Biblically, Satan <i>has </i>already been defeated. However, his sentence becomes effectual when his authority as <span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i>the god of this age</i> </span>is terminated by his imprisonment in the Abyss, and then finally a thousand years or so later when he is thrown into the lake of fire. (2 Corinthians 4:4). </div><div>We cannot possibly be living in the millennial period where Satan cannot deceive the nations any longer. (Revelation 20:3). Jesus Christ strikes the nations precisely because they have been deceived into attempting to wage war against Jesus Christ at Armageddon. (Revelation 19:19-20). </div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i>The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. (Revelation 20:5,12).</i></span> Amillennialists deny that the first resurrection is a literal resurrection. </div><div><br /></div>Revelation Commentary:<i> "The premillennialists would argue that 'the rest of the dead' refers to unbelievers. The saints of the ages who died before the sixth seal are resurrected between seals six and seven and those beheaded after the Rapture are resurrected near/on the beginning of the 1000-year period. The general resurrection of the wicked occurs at the end of the 1000-year kingdom. The amillennialists must argue that 'the rest of the dead' refers to the wicked and perhaps some righteous. However, this causes a major problem. If 'come to life' is spiritual in Revelation 20:4, then it must be spiritual in Revelation 20:5. Problem: how do the wicked come to life in a spiritual sense? If 'come to life' is spiritual in Revelation 20:4, how can the same verb refer to physical life in Revelation 20:5 without any textual clues to help the reader understand this change? Such 'doings' are unnatural to the text!" <span style="font-size: xx-small;">8 </span></i></div><div><i><br /></i><div>Henry Alford: <i>"..I cannot consent to distort words from their plain sense and chronological place in the prophecy, on account of any considerations of difficulty, or any risk of abuses which the doctrine of the millennium may bring with it. Those who lived next to the Apostles, and the whole Church for 300 years, understood them in the plain literal sense: and it is a strange sight in these days to see expositors who are among the first in reverence of antiquity, complacently casting aside the most cogent instance of consensus which primitive antiquity presents. As regards the text itself, no legitimate treatment of it will extort what is known as the spiritual interpretation now in fashion. If, in a passage where two resurrections are mentioned, where certain ψυχαὶ ἔζησαν at the first, and the rest of the νεκροὶ ἔζησαν only at the end of a specified period after that first, if in such a passage the first resurrection may be understood to mean spiritual rising with Christ, while the second means literal rising from the grave; then there is an end of all significance in language, and Scripture is wiped out as a definite testimony to any thing. If the first resurrection is spiritual, then so is the second, which I suppose none will be hardy enough to maintain: but if the second is literal, then so is the first, which in common with the whole primitive Church and many of the best modern expositors, I do maintain, and receive as an article of faith and hope). <b>Blessed</b> (see ch. <a href="https://www.studylight.org/study-desk.html?q1=re+14:13&t1=eng_nas&sr=1">Revelation 14:13</a> , Rev 19:9 ) <b>and holy is he that hath part in</b> (ref., the expression is peculiar to St. John) <b>the first resurrection: over such persons the second death </b>(see reff.: and bear in mind what is said of our Lord Himself, Rom 6:9 )<b> hath not power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and they [ shall ] reign with Him </b>(Christ) <b>a</b> (or,<b> the ) thousand years."</b> <span style="font-size: xx-small;">9</span></i></div><div><i> </i></div><div>George Eldon Ladd: <i>"The first anti-millenarians disparaged the natural interpretation of Revelation 20, not for exegetical reasons, because they thought the book did not teach a millennium, but because they did not like millennial doctrine."<span style="font-size: xx-small;"> 10</span></i> </div><div><br /></div><div>The souls of those <i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">who had been beheaded</span></i> and<span style="color: #2b00fe;"> <i>came to life</i> </span>refers without doubt to their physical resurrection. (see below).</div></div><div><br /></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the Abyss, holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, <b>and bound him for a thousand years.</b> And he threw him into the Abyss, shut it, and sealed it over him, so that he could not deceive the nations until the thousand years were complete. After that, he must be released for a brief period of time. Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. <b>And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God,</b> and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. <b>And they came to life (ἔζησαν) and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. </b>The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years. (Revelation 20:1-6).</span></i></div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i><br /></i></span></div><div>Alan Kurschner has shared an excellent post on this subject on his website: <a href="https://www.alankurschner.com/2023/06/21/send-this-article-to-your-amillennial-and-postmillennial-friends/"><i>Send This Article To Your Amillennial and Postmillennial Friends | ESCHATOS MINISTRIES (alankurschner.com)</i></a></div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><span style="color: black;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><span style="color: black;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg74vlx8jltlwshD7zTyMmG-5JIt_lGOxLMrifYn15m4LiNcfPHemHLaCdsWz5kE0KO3-LB3Yt2Xscfybk09tKJTfXe95uM2xbdMLkssfeZDK560nifcsQZtUIe-zrqNthC7bqUCX6cyR6T1f_Qa7T8x6x6OKDiW-WhtRbM7zu5AL2nXsOFhawcIfvAbIA/s759/kurschner%20ammillennialism%20refuted.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="458" data-original-width="759" height="386" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg74vlx8jltlwshD7zTyMmG-5JIt_lGOxLMrifYn15m4LiNcfPHemHLaCdsWz5kE0KO3-LB3Yt2Xscfybk09tKJTfXe95uM2xbdMLkssfeZDK560nifcsQZtUIe-zrqNthC7bqUCX6cyR6T1f_Qa7T8x6x6OKDiW-WhtRbM7zu5AL2nXsOFhawcIfvAbIA/w640-h386/kurschner%20ammillennialism%20refuted.png" width="640" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div></span></div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgABUsmAci6aRSTpEbKGWhlSDRG5KEbJJRmVcngAfGVbJVHihsoBtG55g0Iu5LqT6PnkzchHQ6U7dCv5Vmon3sCMWb9NsW66F-pRcL7WYK4gJ88zCzC_yxjDy3noYywQvpJZcion88f7LZMWGMFYiCEPC8T4hV1t1RIc-7ebluOjMFzMAOXhnmSJWYQUec/s834/kurschner%20ammillenialism.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="547" data-original-width="834" height="420" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgABUsmAci6aRSTpEbKGWhlSDRG5KEbJJRmVcngAfGVbJVHihsoBtG55g0Iu5LqT6PnkzchHQ6U7dCv5Vmon3sCMWb9NsW66F-pRcL7WYK4gJ88zCzC_yxjDy3noYywQvpJZcion88f7LZMWGMFYiCEPC8T4hV1t1RIc-7ebluOjMFzMAOXhnmSJWYQUec/w640-h420/kurschner%20ammillenialism.png" width="640" /></a></div><div><br /></div></span><br /><i><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;">I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.(Revelation 22:18-19 cf. Deuteronomy 4:2,12:32; Proverbs 30:6).</span></b></i></div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b><i><br /></i></b></span></div><i>1. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLKvPiDvMS0">(121) Comedy is Therapy (Keith Foskey's Standup Routine) - YouTube</a> <br />2. <a href="https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8056.htm">Strong's Hebrew: 8056. שָׂמֵ֫חַ (sameach) -- glad, joyful, merry (biblehub.com)</a><br />3. <a href="https://biblehub.com/commentaries/proverbs/15-13.htm">Proverbs 15:13 Commentaries: A joyful heart makes a cheerful face, But when the heart is sad, the spirit is broken. (biblehub.com)</a><br />4. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRoSnpzbIdc">(121) Keith Got a Rapture Debate Challenge from Spencer Smith! - YouTube</a><br />5. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkucp4RkKok">(118) BREAKING! Doug Wilson challenged to a debate by Keith Foskey, King of the Amillennialists! - YouTube</a><br />6. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6rE5ZHr2w">(124) Optimistic Amillenialism - YouTube</a><br />7. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC2l9LUTC20">(124) Ten reasons why Amillennialism is wrong! - YouTube</a><br />8. <a href="https://www.revelationcommentary.org/20_chapter.html">Revelation Commentary : Chapter Twenty</a><br />9. <a href="https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/hac/revelation-20.html">Revelation 20 - Alford's Greek Testament Critical Exegetical Commentary - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org</a></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">10. Ladd, Crucial Questions about the Kingdom of God, Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1952, p149</span></i></div>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-41066618355132356312023-11-24T05:33:00.000-08:002023-11-25T02:06:38.185-08:00DOES SPENCER SMITH THINK THAT THE RAPTURE DEBATE IS A JOKE?<iframe allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/TJzB6OmUjII?si=gbsuam2AbPJGDwyG" title="YouTube video player" width="560"></iframe>
<p>Spencer Smith seems oblivious to the seriousness of the rapture debate. Smith is in serious error regarding the alleged pre-trib rapture, and his challenge to false Calvinist amillenial teacher Keith Foskey is in the worst possible taste. God's word is <i><b>not</b></i> a joke nor something to make jokes about. Neither of these false teachers has bothered to study the scriptures in any depth to ascertain whether their eschatological beliefs are viable. (1 John 4:1). Those who change the scriptures are in rebellion to God! (Revelation 22:18-19; Deuteronomy 4:2, 12:32; Proverbs 30:6). While these two bozos are playing at being tough guys the body of Christ is being led astray into catastrophic error!</p><p><iframe allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/xwXoMNpOhos?si=r4BbJTvXX3vW4KAE" title="YouTube video player" width="560"></iframe></p>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-19814749051269958942023-11-21T04:01:00.000-08:002023-11-21T04:01:45.889-08:00MIKE BICKLE IHOP HISTORIC SPIRITUAL ABUSE: A SUMMARY OF A COLLECTION OF GRIEVANCES AND CONCERNS <div class="card-header" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: 0px 0px; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border-bottom-color: rgb(239, 241, 245); border-bottom-style: solid; 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font-variant-east-asian: inherit; font-variant-numeric: inherit; font-variant-position: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; line-height: 30px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px 15px; vertical-align: baseline;"><ul style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font: inherit; list-style: none; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><li style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">A Summary of A Collection Of Grievances And Concerns</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Regarding IHOP-KC</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">by</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Kendall Beachey, Tyler Dunstan, Nathan Otten, Richard Liantonio, and</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Gary Wallin.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">In an April 1st, 2014 meeting mediated by Midwest Ministers Fellowship between IHOP-KC Leadership (Mike Bickle, etc.) and Kendall Beachey, Tyler Dunstan, Nathan Otten, Richard Liantonio, and Gary Wallin (henceforth we), we presented a collection of grievances and concerns focused on the spiritual culture and leadership practices of IHOP-KC. This presentation was divided into six distinct sections, each presented by a different individual. It must be stressed from the outset that these concerns are not over individual infractions or isolated incidents. Rather, any single event is only highlighted as means of illuminating the larger systemic issues within the leadership culture, structural dimensions, spiritual environment, and community of IHOP-KC that allow for, encourage, and justify these, and similar, infractions. These grievances are aimed at the systemic issues at work in perpetuating, by grave negligence or purposeful intent, these mistreatments. The Meta-Narrative The meta-narrative of IHOP-KC can be summarized as Pre-millennial Eschatology + Prophetic History = IHOP-KCs meta-narrative. These two elements function together powerfully to create the driving impetus behind all that happens at IHOP-KC. This narrative can best be captured in the predominate symbol within the IHOP-KC community: the word forerunner. The name forerunner is ubiquitous and is a shorthand way of telling the IHOP-KC meta-narrative each time it is said. It both encapsulates IHOP-KCs place on the timeline (shortly before Christs return) and role (carrying a special message the rest of the Church must hear in order to be prepared for that return). For a person in leadership or on staff at IHOP-KC to deny Christ is returning within this generation or shortly thereafter deconstructs and undermines the narrative substructure of the school and missions base (which is labeled Forerunner School of Ministry and Forerunner Christian Fellowship). IHOP-KC depends on the belief in the soon return of Christ to sustain its unique identity in the context of every other Bible school or seminary and every other Christian community.</p></li><li style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">A Summary of A Collection Of Grievances And Concerns Regarding IHOP-KC 2</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Kendall Beachey, Tyler Dunstan, Nathan Otten, Richard Liantonio, and Gary Wallin.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">While every culture and community operates with some level of meta-narrative, our analysis reveals at least four troubling results of the unique dynamics caused by meta-narrative found at IHOP-KC. 1) Psychological and emotional trauma The meta-narrative on IHOP-KC encourages a narcissistic environment where individuals focus on the temporal short-term (next six months to a year) as being the most significant rather than long-term life planning. The atmosphere focuses on the importance of the state of his or her individual heart, fostering an unhealthy introspection. There is a soteriological significance to being a part of the community, which comes into focus when an individual is faced with the choice to separate himself or herself from it. Fear of falling away and deep shame accompany many who find their personal vocation or beliefs no longer in line with those of IHOP-KC. For many, leaving is a traumatic process that can take years to recover from. This difficulty in leaving is not because the leadership forbids him or her leaving, but because of the power of the stories and the worldview the leadership create. Leaders do not need to explicitly say, You cannot leave. They dont have to, because the meta-narrative does this for them. Many, who have given their late teens and twenties to IHOP-KC, find themselves in their mid-to-late twenties with no college education, no work skills, and a resume that only includes a controversial ministry or a degree from an unaccredited university. There is despair about not being able to go anywhere else or having to start over at 25 or 30 years old. Mike Bickle exasperates this traumatic experience when he makes statements such as those from IHOP-KCs August 2013 Staff Meeting:</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">When God does this...When God gives signs in the heavens [1983 comet] to back up words that have to do with a global purpose and he invites you to it, you are now accountable for it and you will talk to him about it at the Judgment seat of Christ. Every one of you in this room, and every one that has been in this room over the 14 years, they will talk to the Lord about this purpose.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Despite Mr. Bickles attempts to justify or qualify these statements, it is impossible to escape the psychologically powerful way in which statements such as this, which insist those who draw back fro IHOP-KCs purpose will have to answer for it at the Judgment seat, pressure individuals to remain a part of the movement and suppress their doubts and fears due to terror of finding themselves on the wrong side of Christs judgment.</p></li><li style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">A Summary of A Collection Of Grievances And Concerns Regarding IHOP-KC 3</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Kendall Beachey, Tyler Dunstan, Nathan Otten, Richard Liantonio, and Gary Wallin.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">2) Creates a negative view of the rest of the church or sectarian elitism The mandate to Change the understanding and expression of Christianity in one generation is often heard in the context of IHOP-KC having the driving role in such a change. The symbolic word Forerunner points to this idea. Many in the global church are seen as out of step or irrelevant. The predominate idea (although not stated directly) is that all the existing structures will crumble during the coming crisis and Mr. Bickle and others will be the leaders of the true Christians after the falling away leading the 35 apostles in the Blue Ridge procession in a city of refuge. It is in the context of this larger narrative that all qualifiers about the rest of church being necessary and good are heard. When Allen Hood states at the May 2013 staff meeting that Mr. Bickles message about 10,000 John the Baptists, forerunners,</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">changed his worldview and</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">My life would look very different without this ministry, I would be a United Methodist pastor somewhere else you [IHOP-KC staff] just helped the rest of the world to not enter into Church as usual,</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">there is an implicit, and at times explicit, degradation of traditional churches. Mr. Bickles statements from the May 2005 staff meeting that,</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Every assignment in Scripture is subordinate to the call to the solemn assembly. Wherever one has grace for this, then lay aside other assignments no matter how noble, for they are enriched, strengthened and multiplied by the solemn assembly</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">or Corey Russell on IHOP-KC promo videos</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Shut it all down! in reference to traditional church expressions, all function together to promote an image that IHOP-KC holds an exalted role within the Church. The significance of these quotes is not the individual statements; it is the cumulative effect on young adults (and older adults) as they sit through meeting after meeting where these types of statements are made. 3) Creates an environment where the ministry is not questioned or, if questions are raised, are not heard There are ready-made categories for individuals who question IHOP-KCs direction, methods, or theology. The Prophetic History uses the image of rabid dogs to describe</p></li><li style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">A Summary of A Collection Of Grievances And Concerns Regarding IHOP-KC 4</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Kendall Beachey, Tyler Dunstan, Nathan Otten, Richard Liantonio, and Gary Wallin.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">those whose criticisms would attempt to derail the movement and presents a picture of those who would try to steal the message from Mikes heart. Numerous times throughout the past 10 years, IHOP-KC has emphasized that great controversy is always right around the corner. These stories and prophecies provide ready-made interpretive categories by which to dismiss all controversy as unfounded and actually provide a sense of rejoicing when controversy comes because it validates the narrative IHOP-KC lives by. It is all too easy to place any dissenting voice into these categories of opposition and to fail to hear the genuine criticisms that those who have been a part of the community express. 4) Prophetic History determines doctrine A reoccurring question when doubts are raised concerning IHOP-KCs beliefs about eschatology is what about the prophetic history? This question has been repeatedly used to end conversations over Biblical disagreement and to pressure compliance from staff and students raising questions. While Mr. Bickle and other senior leaders claim IHOP-KC does not base its theology on the Prophetic History, we have a hard time believing that the Prophetic History does not influence IHOP-KCs main teachings, but they rather simply emerged from reading and studying Scripture. Every exegete, no matter their conclusions, has a lens that they look through, and no one is truly objective. While this is okay, responsible teaching insists these lenses be acknowledged publicly. If the Prophetic History has shaped Mr. Bickle or other teachers lens through which they read Scripture, it should be acknowledged. We would have serious reservations about engaging in a theological dialogue with IHOP-KC teachers and leaders because there is something standing behind their convictions that is not open to public debate and discussion the Prophetic History. More than just providing the overarching meta-narrative fueling IHOP-KC, the Prophetic History is the lens through which Scripture is read within IHOP-KC and is in the background of all theological discussions, arbitrating what questions or conclusions are off limits. Discipleship of Assimilation We see a central issue running through IHOP-KC: a program of assimilation. As individuals join IHOPU or IHOP-KC staff, they find themselves under tremendous pressure to conform to the culture of IHOP-KC. This pressure to say, act, and believe like those who are platformed causes increasingly problematic results as individuals attempt to express their own preferences, differing opinions and beliefs, and individual preferences. The Prophetic History (Forerunner message etc.) and narrow eschatology serves as the controlling meta-narrative of IHOP-KC. Like any other groups controlling narrative, the Prophetic History is not merely something to look at, but the lens through</p></li><li style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">A Summary of A Collection Of Grievances And Concerns Regarding IHOP-KC 5</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Kendall Beachey, Tyler Dunstan, Nathan Otten, Richard Liantonio, and Gary Wallin.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">which members negotiate the past, the future, and the current world around them. This Prophetic History furnishes individuals at IHOP-KC with:</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">A drama to be invested in</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Roles and identities to live out of</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Corresponding practices and activities. These pressures applied by IHOP-KCs meta-narrative creates a highly polarizing view of the world that demands absolute allegiance to a narrow eschatology, ecclesiology, and Christian vocation. Our fear is that because so much dignity, nurturing, and defense is reserved for the meta-narrative, it is at odds with the dignity, nurturing, and defense Christian ministers normally reserve for the people below them. More specifically, when forced to choose between the dignity of the Prophetic History and that of the individual, IHOP-KC and IHOPU have opted to create a safe place for their ministry agenda, rather than for individuals. We put forward the following question: Does IHOP-KC exist for people or do people exist to further IHOP-KCs agenda? The following three issues demonstrate in our assessment the latter answer to be the regrettable reality.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">1) When valid Christian vocations are chosen that differ from that which the meta-narrative demands;</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">2) When different ecclesial voices or practices are listened to or</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">undertaken; 3) And when questions that are perceived as damaging to the validity of the</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">meta-narrative are asked (concerning theology, eschatology, or the Prophetic History),</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">measures are taken to silence, correct, warn, or label. In our personal experiences and the experiences of others who have shared their stories, we have observed that when individuals within IHOP-KC consider vocations outside of IHOP-KC, consider Church expressions different that those practiced in the Prayer Room and Forerunner Christian Fellowship, or adopt theology, primarily related to eschatology, that differs from that taught by Mr. Bickle and other senior leaders, these individuals are counseled against these choices, warned of impending peril, and labeled a threat to IHOP-KC and those around them.</p></li><li style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">A Summary of A Collection Of Grievances And Concerns Regarding IHOP-KC 6</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Kendall Beachey, Tyler Dunstan, Nathan Otten, Richard Liantonio, and Gary Wallin.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">These stories do not merely implicate individual leaders for isolated instances of inappropriate action, but are meant to show symptoms that point to the larger issue of how the meta-narrative functions within the community. We do not see these stories as scattered, isolated instances that need individual attention. In our mind, that would be treating the symptoms of a disease rather than the disease itself. Rather, we see in these stories, considered together, the systemic nature of these destructive beliefs. We are not suggesting IHOP-KC simply tweak the way they speak about differing vocations, churches, and doctrines. We find that the pressure placed upon IHOP-KC by the meta-narrative demands these drastic conclusions whether officially or unofficially. In most every sphere there seems to be an elitism that places IHOP-KC and its meta-narrative over and against what is happening in other spheres of the body of Christ vocationally, ecclesiologically, and theologically. Handling of Disagreement Repeatedly, the stories we have received from those who experienced mistreatment or hardship at IHOP-KC feature inappropriate behavior by leaders who have disagreements with members (staff, students, interns, etc.). This behavior is particularly evident in stories of private meetings with individuals found in disagreement with IHOP-KC. While we lack the space to tell all the details of these encounters, it will suffice here to summarize those behaviors that seem most problematic.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">1) Interpretation of Motives: Leadership of IHOP-KC is ungenerously skeptical of the intentions, motivations, and aims of those with whom they are in disagreement with. Negative motives are assigned without foreknowledge and upheld despite the individuals protests or attempts to explain.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">2) Listing Credentials: Leaders attempt to establish their position over the</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">individual by categorizing the ways in which they are superior to them age, years in ministry, level of education, etc. in an attempt to silence questions.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">3) Conversation Domination: IHOP-KC leaders often fail to give individuals</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">adequate time to explain their position or make a case for their behavior. Leaders take up much of the time talking, deciding the direction of the conversation, and fail to demonstrate interest in understanding the individuals position.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">4) Authoritarianism: Often, leaders focus on the need for individuals to submit to</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">authority. Individuals were told you just need to submit, or a student is not above their teacher, or a student is not smart enough to know what is best for them. Leaders responded harshly when students questioned their methods of leadership or the means by which they attempted to lead.</p></li><li style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">A Summary of A Collection Of Grievances And Concerns Regarding IHOP-KC 7</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Kendall Beachey, Tyler Dunstan, Nathan Otten, Richard Liantonio, and Gary Wallin.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">5) Context for Challenging: Repeatedly, individuals were told that the only context</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">for disagreeing with a leaders teachings was in a private one-on-one meeting with the leader with whom they had a disagreement. Individuals were told they should have known that a classroom was not the context to express disagreement with the teacher or ask questions that might undermine what was being taught.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">6) Victim Blaming: A major red flag we identified was that of blaming the</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">individual who raised a concern for the very problem they were attempting to address. Individuals went into conversations with IHOP-KC leaders to raise concerns and would, with varying degrees of force, be told the problem really was not the leader or something they had actually done wrong, but was rather the problem of the individual bringing the concern; the individual was not humble enough or had some other spiritual malady that impaired their judgment.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">7) Shouting and Shaming: Leaders often exhibited inappropriate behavior such as</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">yelling at students and individualsin one instance yelling at a student don't you dare question how I train my soldierrevealing the type of militant authoritarianism present.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">8) Intimidation: In other instances, leaders towered over members who were</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">physically smaller while pressuring them to engage in conversations and answer questions they did not wish to. When an individual cornered by a leader responded, Im feeling really uncomfortable right now, the leader replied, Frankly, that means nothing to me.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">While this is no way an exhaustive list, it gives a window into the types of authoritarianism and troubling behavior that has been exhibited by leadership at IHOP-KC. It is these dealings with individuals in private that is the most troubling. While the perception of leaders on the stage may be positive, these private dealings reveal the troubling reality about the way they treat individuals. While, due to privacy concerns, we cannot include many of the details from the stories we have received, we feel confident in saying that the behavior exhibited in the information shared in the April 1st meeting is shocking and exhibits behavior that is abusive and absolutely unacceptable for any leader. Accusation Without Investigation The issue of accusation without investigation has been significant in understanding various individuals negative experiences at IHOP-KC. Repeatedly, stories we have heard, including our own, involve leaders bringing disciplinary action against individuals on the basis of rumors, false accusations, and hearsay, without adequately</p></li><li style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">A Summary of A Collection Of Grievances And Concerns Regarding IHOP-KC 8</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Kendall Beachey, Tyler Dunstan, Nathan Otten, Richard Liantonio, and Gary Wallin.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">investigating and determining the facts involved. In some cases, this has involved disciplinary action such as censorship, probation periods, reeducation, forced sabbaticals, loss of employment or position, and private meetings with leaders to correct what was deemed as troubling behavior. Individuals have been accused of spreading lies, teaching false information, engaging in sexually promiscuous behavior, or being part of theological discussions deemed inappropriate by the leadership, all without adequate investigation and information about what took place or giving individuals an opportunity to give explanation to their behavior. When individuals have attempted to set the record straight or defend their behavior as appropriate, IHOP-KC leadership has often refused to listen to their explanations or consider their position. Leaders presumed to know things about individuals, sometimes claiming the information came by the Spirit of God, but were not allowed to challenge. Leaders were unwilling to enter into the type of extensive dialogue that would be required in order to further elucidate the situation. This reveals a deeply disturbing trend within the leadership of IHOP-KC and shows the extent to which leaders are not willing to deal honestly with individuals who seem to present challenges to the existing system or meta-narrative. Control in Domestic Spheres In an environment where a dramatic, all-embracing eschatological meta-narrative supplies the foundational source of an all-consuming spiritual culture marked by intensity, pressure, and urgency, a context is fostered where boundary lines become less clear and normal boundary lines are transgressed. Within the strength of the meta-narrative, a subtle "ends-justifies-the-means" mindset emerges in leaders and followers, making it easier for leaders to justify their actions and followers to ignore questions of propriety. Within the isolation of the community, actions and situations become seen as normal or only slightly abnormal, that in outside ecclesial and professional environments are considered grossly abnormal. IHOP-KCs leadership has crossed into the domain of domestic control in instances where individuals were told they needed to stop being friends with one another. These instructions to end friendships were sometimes accompanied by unsubstantiated claims to knowledge of sexual impropriety provided by the spirit of God. In another instance, at least a dozen individuals were told they were to no longer help or associate with a sick member of the community with no explanation or reasoning even when asked. When one of these individuals questioned this, leadership lied to this individual and claimed the sick friend had never been a part of the IHOP-KC community. When confronted about this lie, leaders both acknowledged the lie and</p></li><li style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">A Summary of A Collection Of Grievances And Concerns Regarding IHOP-KC 9</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Kendall Beachey, Tyler Dunstan, Nathan Otten, Richard Liantonio, and Gary Wallin.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">justified it, saying, The situation is complicated. The attempts to end this friendship nearly resulted in the significant disruption of the individuals family unit as family members were pressured by high-level leaders to take sides for or against IHOP-KC leaderships position. In another instance, when a low-level leader said in a meeting that IHOP-KC leadership was pressuring them to come to a mandatory meeting on their only day off felt like manipulation, this individual was met with one-on-one, told never to use the word manipulation again, not to oppose leadership, and to name the other individuals who had expressed appreciation to this individual for expressing dissatisfaction with the mandatory meeting. Subsequently, this individual was not invited back to their leadership position again with no explanation. Many other individuals were kept from having a weekly day off. Worship leaders were told they were not allowed to travel on the weekends to raise financial support in order to pay their bills and remain on staff. Individuals were routinely pressured into accepting that they did not need a day off, being told that for most of IHOP-KCs history individuals did not take a day off, and that most Christians out there in the world would love to be able to come to the prayer room on their day off and you are upset that you have to come in for a [two-hour worship/music] set on your Sabbath. On numerous occasions, leaders in IHOPU stated that their educational philosophy was eliminate any flexibility or free time from their students schedules, saying "Our goal is to keep the students so busy they don't have time to sin." One IHOPU faculty member was forced to take what was originally a six-month (but without additional explanation grew to be indefinite) sabbatical from teaching due to the alleged bad fruit he was producing. The bad fruit referenced was that two of his students were asking difficult questions and disagreeing with teachers in their other IHOPU classes. As a part of this forced sabbatical, this faculty member was no longer allowed to</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">1) teach in any context (including informal Greek classes in his own home or extended conversations in the prayer room hallway)</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">2) hold small group liturgical prayer meetings in his home, 3) lead home groups and prayer room teams, and 4) invite individuals to his church (since he was opening things up to</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">students that IHOPU was not opening up to them).</p></li><li style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">A Summary of A Collection Of Grievances And Concerns Regarding IHOP-KC 10</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Kendall Beachey, Tyler Dunstan, Nathan Otten, Richard Liantonio, and Gary Wallin.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">When his students were informed of this sabbatical, which they were told was voluntary, they were instructed not even to ask this faculty member about the sabbatical. Control in domestic spheres is one of the most troubling aspects of the stories we have heard from individuals who have been involved with IHOP-KC. Telling individuals who to associate with, what they can do in their own homes, what conversations they can have, and how they can spend their free time is deeply troubling. This control represents a fundamental inappropriateness on the part of senior IHOP-KC leaders in crossing of boundaries. This type of behavior is a significant red flag in diagnosing the state of IHOP-KCs leadership culture and the extent to which they are able to distinguish between right and wrong. Disregard for the Mental Health of People in their Pastoral Care If what we have said thus far serves as any indication of how we perceive IHOP-KCs dealings with the overall well-being of its students and staff, this section should come as no surprise. Time and time again, as we have mentioned, various leaders have opted to support IHOP-KCs meta-narrative, often at the expense of students and staff. In these instances, IHOP-KC does not exist for people; rather, real live individuals exist to further IHOP-KCs agenda and become a means to advance IHOP-KCs ends. Looking at many stories we received, it would take little more than a casual glance to recognize the potentiality for serious psychological harm and emotional dysfunction to develop among those who have spent time at IHOP-KC. During our time at IHOP-KC, it has been our experience and observation that IHOP-KC has not been willing to accept responsibility for the mental well-being of those who have come to IHOP-KC as staff, students, interns, or members of the community. There is an assumption at IHOP-KC that the ministry is bringing in mostly mature Christians who merely need to be equipped with the end times message and sent out for ministry. The reality is that IHOP-KC attracts many broken individuals who need to be provided a basic foundation of Christian theology and praxis and professional psychological help. For IHOP-KC to be appropriately responsible, it needs both to identify the ways in which its culture attracts and exasperates issues of mental health and to provide care for these individuals as a primary concern and use of its resources. All of these stories we have received are painful. They involve dysfunction, mistreatment and traumatic instances. Many involve the loss of friends, support structures, jobs, dreams, and ambitions. Many of these stories include events that call for serious pastoral care and professional psychological help. They are the type of life-defining events that need openness, honesty, and vulnerability to heal. In many cases, IHOP-KC has not only been the perpetrator of such harm, but has also not sought to meet the true</p></li><li style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">A Summary of A Collection Of Grievances And Concerns Regarding IHOP-KC 11</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Kendall Beachey, Tyler Dunstan, Nathan Otten, Richard Liantonio, and Gary Wallin.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">demand of pastoral care that the fractured state of its people demand. As of yet, IHOP-KC has not taken responsibility for the mental well-being of those individuals who come, either those who are fractured upon arrival or those whom IHOP-KC takes an active role in fracturing. The weight of these stories and the repeated lack of concern over the well-being of students, staff, and interns raise serious concerns about the safety of IHOP-KC as an organization and the drastic response that would be required for it to right this area of gross neglect. Conclusion Our entire presentation attempts to illustrate the long-term, systemically unhealthy leadership culture that is present in IHOP-KC. We recognize that our knowledge is limited. While we are only able to present some of the stores we are aware of, it is likely that there are many more stories that we have not yet heard. The consistency with which individuals in very high positions of leadership go on to abuse their power is both disturbing and alarming. The degree to which Mike Bickle deeply trusted these individuals and the abuses that took place under his watch is also frightening. What we are dealing with is not one or two isolated instances of weakness, but rather a pattern demonstrating that a number of the senior leaders have a warped sense of what is right and wrong, what is appropriate and inappropriate. This also brings to light the marked contrast between what Mike Bickle say from the platform and what is executed by the leaders directly underneath him. While speaking with an individual who was heavily involved with IHOP-KC as a prophetic singer from its early days and for many years, they commented,</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">everyone hears one thing on the platform, but several leaders directly under Mike enforce a radically different policy that has to be the most common/recurring theme Ive heard countless times over the past 11+ years.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">For example:</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">- Critical Thinking - (A) Mr. Bickle says, We must all test each teaching that we hear in the light of Scripture. Do not receive a teaching that you cannot see with your eyes in your Bible. Do not quickly accept new ideas before examining them. Loyalty to a ministry involves humbly challenging it when needed. Do not say, Our leaders say..., but, The Bible says... (b) However, people are routinely punished, rebuked, and/or humiliated by senior leaders for questioning Mr. Bickle and other leaders teaching. The phrase, Mike said</p></li><li style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">A Summary of A Collection Of Grievances And Concerns Regarding IHOP-KC 12</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Kendall Beachey, Tyler Dunstan, Nathan Otten, Richard Liantonio, and Gary Wallin.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">is one of the most commonly heard phrases at IHOP-KC. The caveat to challenge in a right spirit is used as an excuse to shut down anything that doesnt pass a subjectively nebulous bar of in the right spirit.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">- The Scriptures - (A) Mr. Bickle says, The Bereans only accepted Pauls teaching when they saw it in the Scriptures (B) However, leaders have on multiple occasions defined Bereans as accepting the teaching first and then confirming in the scripture. A plethora of stories show that it was not even arriving at inappropriate conclusions which could exclude a person from ministry, but even asking the questions was enough to label individuals unfit to lead or participate on even low levels.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">- Isolation and Rejection - (A) Mr. Bickle says, A leaders concern is to help people succeed in doing Gods will for their own lives, regardless of whether it means joining another ministry. The foundational value is that God owns the people, not the leader of a ministry. (B) However, people are at times humiliated and given explicit and implicit (eschatology/Prophetic History) pressure when they want to go to college, pursue another career, or even think about their life outside of IHOP-KC.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">- Inappropriate Loyalty- (A) Mr. Bickle says, Our first loyalty and connection is to Jesus (Col. 2:19). Faithfulness is defined as loyalty to Jesus and obeying His Word and will. (B) However, behind the scenes, senior leaders promote Mr. Bickle as an apostle, often insist that Bible studies only be led from Mr. Bickle's teaching notes, continually appeal to Mr. Bickle's experience, authority, and prophetic experiences; operate in an authoritarian manner, and root out anything that would challenge this authority.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">- Biblical Boundaries- (A) Mr. Bickle says, healthy organizations do not cross biblical boundaries of behavior. (B) However, senior leaders believe it is their prerogative to tell people what they can and cannot do in their own home; who they can be friends with, who they can talk to, and where, and about what; whether or not they can have a day off; how to schedule their time beyond their requirements, etc.</p></li><li style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">A Summary of A Collection Of Grievances And Concerns Regarding IHOP-KC 13</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Kendall Beachey, Tyler Dunstan, Nathan Otten, Richard Liantonio, and Gary Wallin.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">- The Church -</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">(A) Mr. Bickle says, We love Jesus by loving the whole Church that is so dear to Him. We cultivate a culture of honor by loving the whole Church. (B) However, senior leaders promote an elitism that disparages other churches, denominations, and movements; demonizes various orthodox and evangelical theologies, villianizes people for engaging in practices of other orthodox Christian traditions, seeks to prevent students from engaging with other churches and traditions.</p><p style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: inherit; font-feature-settings: inherit; font-kerning: inherit; font-optical-sizing: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-variation-settings: inherit; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 26px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">- Special Revelation- (A) Mr. Bickle says, healthy ministries do not, emphasize the special revelations of their leader that contradict Scripture. (B) However, senior and junior leaders regularly appeal to the Prophetic History to shape the ministry, motivate people, and guide, limit, and even determine the biblical interpretation. From our perspective, we can only see two possible explanations as to Mr. Bickles personal involvement with this unhealthy leadership culture. (1) Individuals who abuse their power are put into place because they are the type of leaders that Mr. Bickle wants in his organization. The contrast between what is said on the platform and what they execute is because they execute what Mr. Bickle actually wants. (2) Abuses have perpetuated in many different areas of Mr. Bickle's organization, by many senior and junior leaders without Mr. Bickle's full knowledge, but not without an extreme level of negligence on Mr. Bickle's part. If this is true, Mr. Bickle must take full responsibility for the level of negligence that was required for this type of situation to grow and perpetuate.</p></li></ul><div><a href="https://vdocuments.mx/download/summary-of-grivances-and-concerns-regarding-ihop-kc.html"><i>Summary of Grivances and Concerns Regarding IHOP-KC - [Download PDF] (vdocuments.mx)</i></a></div></div>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-54656862860927835032023-11-19T02:20:00.000-08:002023-11-19T04:44:16.033-08:00DAVID SLIKER IHOP EXECUTIVE EXPLETIVES!<p>This is David Sliker's way of denying that he knew about the allegations against Bickle!</p><p><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>From the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks (Matthew 12:34 cf. Ephesians 4:29).</b></span></i></p><p><iframe allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/4eBCDo-hmKo?si=MNejk7QM_fzGr5Dk" title="YouTube video player" width="560"></iframe></p><p><br /></p>
<iframe allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/dcTnozFlcK8?si=WhF2ZFUXBDf8jHHQ" title="YouTube video player" width="560"></iframe><div><br /></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>Now there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow in their depravity, and because of them the way of truth will be defamed. In their greed, these false teachers will exploit you with deceptive words. The longstanding verdict against them remains in force, and their destruction does not sleep. (2 Peter 2:1-3).</b></span></i>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4103925900569325548.post-68735746485074697302023-11-15T08:01:00.000-08:002023-11-17T04:46:12.898-08:00MIKE BICKLE (IHOP) IS IN OPEN REBELLION TO GOD!<p>Any pastor or leader who claims to have had a <i>"revelation" </i>that trumps the word of God is a false teacher. (Luke 6:46; Romans 13:2; Proverbs 17:11, 30:6).</p><p>The procedure for dealing with accusations within the church is clearly laid down in the New Testament.</p><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Do not admit a charge against an elder <b>except</b> on the evidence of two or three witnesses. (1 Timothy 5:19).</span></i></div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i><br /></i></span></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">If your brother sins against you, go and confront him privately. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, regard him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. (Matthew 18:15-17 cf. Deuteronomy 19:15-19).</span></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /></span></i></div><div>Bickle's refusal to submit to church discipline is causing all kinds of problems and is no doubt prolonging and exacerbating the pain for all concerned i.e. the alleged victims, the IHOP congregation, and his own family. This blatant rebellion reveals that Bickle is unfit to be a minister of the gospel.</div><div><br /></div><div>Bickle's practice of refusing to defend himself against accusations based on 1 Samuel 24:5 is in clear rebellion to New Testament directives on how to deal with charges within the church. <span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>1</i></span><i> </i>Bickles' claim that David refused to defend himself against Saul is false. David refused to physically harm Saul or to take revenge, <i><b>but</b></i> he did defend himself verbally against Saul's accusations. (1 Samuel 24:9-15). The apostle Paul defended himself against the accusations of the Jews (Acts 26:2), and he gave a sustained defense of his apostleship in 2 Corinthians 11:1–12:13. Paul did not take the passive attitude <i>"God will defend me" </i>by refusing to answer the various accusations against him. </div><p>Bickle is fond of quoting 1 Samuel 24 and 26, calling attention to his alleged conversation with Michael the Archangel and the <i>"black horse of accusation" </i>to protect his own position and to pre-empt allegations. By using dishonest scripture-twisting methods, he demonizes his alleged victims and causes untold damage to the body of Christ. </p><p>Bickle: <i>"Satan’s most effective weapon in the end times is accusation and he turns whispered innuendoes into hostile accusations that destroy lives and relationships.. the church is approaching the most glorious and challenging hour in history with the dragon (black horse) breathing on many to accuse and betray each other.” </i><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>3</i></span></p><p>Bickle teaches about "<i>David's anointing"</i>. He has frequently referred to the <i>"End-Time David generation"</i> and the <i>"Tabernacle of David"</i>. Ironically, Bickle's deviation from the explicit Word of God regarding Matthew 18:15-17 is more akin to Saul's rebellion. There is an interesting parallel in 1 Samuel 24. Saul deviated from the clear word given to him by Samuel and attempted to blame others. (1 Samuel 15:3,13-15). Saul's deviation from the word of God resulted in his rejection as king. </p><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">And Samuel said, “Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to listen than the fat of rams.<b> For rebellion is as the sin of divination, and presumption is as </b></span></i><i style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>iniquity and idolatry. </b>Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, he has also rejected you from being king.” (1 Samuel 15:22-23).</i><div><i style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /></i><b><i>Independent investigations?</i></b><p>The Roys Report: <i>"Jesi Stanley, an attorney and former member of IHOPKC, wrote that Stinson is <a href="https://twitter.com/nate_musson/status/1721374066693521600">not a 'neutral 3rd party.</a>' '(IHOPKC) literally retained one of the most prestigious, aggressive, and expensive defense law firms in Kansas City, and nationwide,' she said. '. . . These victims are going to be completely railroaded.'” <span style="font-size: xx-small;">4 </span> </i></p>The Roys Report:<i> "Third-party investigations have become increasingly common as churches and Christian institutions continue to be rocked by scandal. But how can you tell if an investigation is truly independent—or just another attempt to cover up?" <span style="font-size: xx-small;">5</span> </i><div><br /></div><div>IHOP has refused to name the attorney they have hired in place of Stinson LLP to investigate this matter. This secrecy is highly unusual and suggests a lack of transparency on the part of the IHOP leadership. Ben Anderson, a former IHOP staff member, recently posted the name of the attorney he believes IHOP has hired on Facebook. Apparently, the attorney he named is friends with IHOP executive leaders and it is claimed that she does in fact attend IHOP's Forerunner Church. Shortly after Anderson posted this information the attorney in question deleted her Facebook account. If this information is correct, the investigation is critically compromised with IHOP leaders holding all the cards! In other words, it is not a third-party unbiased investigation. It has been observed that <i>any </i>attorney hired by IHOP would have a fiduciary duty to the client, and as such the investigation cannot be neutral due to a pre-set bias. </div><div><br /></div><div>Michael Brown's assurances of fair play are not to be trusted, and his advice to those involved not to post on social media and further suggestions from others not to even look on social media are disgusting. <i><b>Isn't this what cults do?</b></i><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i> 6 </i></span> </div><div><br /></div><div>This whole fiasco is a shame and a disgrace. Bickle and his wolf pack have dishonoured the name of God. (Romans 2:24; 2 Peter 2:2).</div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /></span></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin. (James 4:17).</span></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /></span></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Now Eli was very old, and he kept hearing all that his sons were doing to all Israel, and<b> how they lay with the women who were serving at the entrance to the tent of meeting</b>. And he said to them, “Why do you do such things? For I hear of your evil dealings from all these people. No, my sons; it is no good report that I hear the people of the LORD spreading abroad. If someone sins against a man, God will mediate for him, but if someone sins against the LORD, who can intercede for him?”<b> But they would not listen to the voice of their father</b>, for it was the will of the LORD to put them to death. (1 Samuel 2:22-25).</span></i></div><div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><br /></span></i></div><i><span style="color: #2b00fe;">And the word of the LORD came to me: “Son of man, say to her, You are a land that is not cleansed or rained upon in the day of indignation. The conspiracy of her prophets in her midst is like a roaring lion tearing the prey; they have devoured human lives; they have taken treasure and precious things; they have made many widows in her midst. Her priests have done violence to my law and have profaned my holy things. They have made no distinction between the holy and the common, neither have they taught the difference between the unclean and the clean, and they have disregarded my Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them. Her princes in her midst are like wolves tearing the prey, shedding blood, destroying lives to get dishonest gain. And her prophets have smeared whitewash for them, seeing false visions and divining lies for them, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD,’ when the LORD has not spoken. The people of the land have practiced extortion and committed robbery. They have oppressed the poor and needy, and have extorted from the sojourner without justice. And I sought for a man among them who should build up the wall and stand in the breach before me for the land, that I should not destroy it, but I found none. Therefore I have poured out my indignation upon them. I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath. I have returned their way upon their heads, declares the Lord GOD.” (Ezekiel 22:23-31).<br /><br />1. <a href="https://mikebickle.org/resource/king-david-how-to-respond-to-mistreatment-i-sam-24-26/">King David: How to Respond to Mistreatment (I Sam. 24 & 26) – mikebickle.org</a> <br />2. <a href="https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn%3Aaaid%3Ascds%3AUS%3Ac00353ee-75d2-3961-9887-0a0329382cf8">Notes Bickle Sermon.pdf(Review) - Adobe cloud storage</a><br />3. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostolic-Prophetic_Movement">Apostolic-Prophetic Movement - Wikipedia</a><br />4. <a href="https://julieroys.com/international-house-of-prayer-hires-unnamed-law-firm-investigate-alleged-abuse/">IHOP-KC Hires New, Unnamed Law Firm to Investigate Alleged Abuse (julieroys.com)</a><br />5. <a href="https://julieroys.com/podcast/how-to-judge-independent-investigations/?mc_cid=2497b82aea&mc_eid=0559cf8aa5">How to Judge 'Independent' Investigations | The Roys Report (julieroys.com)</a><br />6. <a href="https://churchwatchcentral.com/2023/11/08/timeline-of-events-and-resources-on-mike-bickle-scandal-and-the-evangelical-leadership-culture-of-cover-up/">Timeline of events and resources on Mike Bickle scandal and the evangelical leadership culture of ‘cover-up’. (churchwatchcentral.com)</a></span></i></div><div><i><br /></i></div><div><i><b>Update</b></i></div><div><i><b><br /></b></i></div><i><a href="https://julieroys.com/ihopkc-report-discounts-mike-bickle-abuse-allegations-whistleblower-fires-back/?mc_cid=9c2db33d0c&mc_eid=0559cf8aa5">IHOPKC Report Discounts Bickle Abuse Allegations; Whistleblower Fires Back (julieroys.com)</a></i>Treena Gisbornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16783721039030779975noreply@blogger.com0