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Saturday 7 December 2019

INTERCESSORS FOR BRITAIN: PUBLIC STATEMENT ~JACOB PRASCH'S GODLESS BEHAVIOUR

INTERCESSORS FOR BRITAIN
5th December 2019

Jacob Prasch of Moriel Ministries 

After over a year of direct private appeals to Jacob, appealing to others connected with his work, and waiting and hoping that others might act or there might be repentance, we now come to the sad moment where we must speak publicly. 

For over a year we have witnessed others being subjected to threats, abusive speech, slander, misrepresentation and malicious gossip; and we have also been on the receiving end of the same. Jacob has carried this out via emails and also using the pulpit to execute this ungodly behaviour.
Despite our best efforts to appeal for him to reconsider his actions and behaviour, he has continued and has again just recently used his pulpit to abuse a godly woman, who is also a member of IFB. She, along with a growing number of good fellow believers have been on the receiving end of some very unrighteousness behaviour. 

This is simply unacceptable. That this continues unabated and the untold damage that is being done to fellow saints has led us to make this public statement. 

Jacob has promised us he will produce another video attacking us if we dare to speak out against him. We will not make any further comments or responses to any such video. We will only respond further if Jacob denies the claims made in this statement, in which case we will simply post the evidence publicly for the body to judge. 

We take no pleasure in writing this and have put it off for a long time at the request of others. However, I will not stand silently by while good fellow workers are wickedly and publicly savaged. Jacob has sort to control many with fear, including me, however, the fear of man brings a snare. We will trust in the Lord.

But please, let none of this be a distraction (unfortunately the enemy has been using it as such for us, hence us drawing a line in the sand here); let us press on in prayer at this critical time.

Yours in Christ
Dave Borlase

Solely for our facebook post. Moriel has had people posting and attacking on their behalf, sometimes even using fake facebook profiles, (even of the opposite sex!). We will simply delete those comments. If anyone has concerns or would like to discuss the issue, you are welcome to message me privately and I will get back to you when I can.

https://www.facebook.com/intercessorsforbritain/


UPDATE: Upon receipt of certain information, I find that I cannot support Intercessors For Britian due to their compromise with ecumenism.  Please read the comment below. 

Thursday 5 December 2019

POWERPLAYPAUSE: THE JACOB PRASCH FILES ~ MORIEL PLACED ON AUSTRALIAN CULT INFORMATION SERVICE

The Jacob Prasch Files No.8: Australian Cult Information Service Places Moriel on List of Possible “Extremist Groups/Destructive and Manipulative Sects/Cults/High Pressure Groups.”
December 5, 2019 by powerplaypause

I have uncovered several rather eye-opening articles about Jacob Prasch from the late 1990s and early 2000s. This is the eighth in the collection:

Jacob Prasch’s group Moriel saw rapid expansion in Australia in the late 1990s, despite Prasch’s explosive behaviour, and his gurning about not receiving enough financial offerings, and being labelled by a Moriel Australia volunteer “a malevolent and breathtakingly ungrateful thug” for his idiot attacks on his own volunteers. Theologian David Pawson, in an arbitration report between Prasch and his target the Elim denomination in 1998, keenly noted this about Prasch’s group:

“Moriel is a smaller group of autonomous fellowships in loose association, but its publications are the virtual mouthpiece of one dominant personality, apparently operating without mutual accountability.”

And about Prasch specifically David Pawson wrote:

“He is a powerful personality with considerable intellectual ability and emotional capacity. He has a unique ministry in Bible teaching, especially in the area of Jewish interpretation and application of scripture. His unusual background, knowledge and experience have attracted many followers though, as with other persuasive communicators, some of his devotees regard his pronouncements as the last word on a subject or issue, an attitude he does not appear to discourage. The title of his newsletters (‘Moriel’ means ‘God is my teacher’) has more than a hint of a claim to special revelation, whether this is intended or not.”

A few years down the line in 2003 Prasch’s group Moriel was listed by The Cult Information Service in Brisbane, Australia, in their list of Extremist Groups – Destructive and Manipulative Sects – Cults – High Pressure Groups on their website. The group to this day watches out for fellow Australians, although no longer publishes publicly its list. Here is the 2003 list:

Extremist Groups – Destructive and Manipulative Sects – Cults – High Pressure Groups.


We carry an extensive collection of articles and books on a wide variety of groups about whom concern has been expressed.  The following list represents a small selection of those about whom we have information.  In addition we have access to reference libraries and various sources.  If the group is known or significant, we can usually find out what types of beliefs they hold.

The listing a group on this page does not imply it is a “cult”.   It simply implies that some observers have expressed concerns about the extremist practices or unhealthy group processes exhibited by the group, and that critiquing information about them is available in the public domain.  They may be healthy – you decide for yourself.

Name(s) of CultsLocation(s)Leader / CommentsYear FoundedNotes / Writings
Aum ShinrikyoTokyo JapanShoko Asahara1987Tokyo subway Nerve Gas attacks
Calvary CentreBrisbaneSharon & John Fawcett1988Small independent Christian Community
Children of God (see also the Family)USA Australia, variousArchbishop Amos Otest,
David Berg.
1976Free love, forced marriages, banned contraception, “Flirty Fishing”
Church Universal & TriumphantUSAElizabeth Clare Prophet1961Syncretism based on Christianity + ascended masters,  karma, re-incarnation.
Circle of LightUSARev Cassandra D Anaya1995?New Age psychic, channelling angels
Community Church
“The Community”
North East Kingdom Community
Canada, New Zealand 1972Orthodox Evangelical theology, excessive on “cutting off from the world” and some cases of abducting children in divorce disputes.
Elan Vital – Maharaj Ji – Divine Light Mission – PremieUSA 1973 
Family (see also Children of God)  Peter Amsterdam
HealersNumerousVarious Some Christian, some new age, other.
   
Heaven’s GateCaliforniaMarshall Applewhite 39 committed Suicide
Infinity – Forms of Yellow RememberSydney Australia  Sells expensive water in vials.  Extensive website.
Jehovah’s WitnessesWorldWideCharles Taze Russell1870Strong Milieu Control, Anti-trinitarian, Exclusivist
KenjaSydneyKen Dyers, Jan Hamilton1991?Self-awareness, some allegations of sexual misconduct.
Life Integration Programs (The Metaphysical Association)Brisbane UQNatasha Lakaev1993Excessive physical endurance courses
Local Church
 Witness Lee1940s,Zealous group, Modal Monarchianism and Exclusivist. Centralised authoritarian structure. All other churches are “Satanic”.
Magnificat Meal MovementHelidon QldDebra Geileskey…1993Catholic offshoot, Mary co-redemptrix,
MahikariJapan, AustraliaYoshikasu Okada,
Dr Andris Tebecis
1959True Light radiating from hands.  Sometime members Richard & Jo Court. (WA premier)
MooniesKorea, USASun Myung Moon1960Numerous front organisations “Family Federation for World Peace” etc
Moral RearmamentUSAFrank Buchman1921 
Moriel Jacob Prasch Appears theologically orthodox. mildly-charismatic evangelical.
MormonsUtah, worldwideJoseph Smith1830 
New Age Movements (see also “Cult Encounter” book by Rick & Helen Larson – Extra Terrestrial Earth Ministry)WorldwideMany and variedNew groups emerge continuallyCombination of occult practices, divining, witchcraft
One HumanityNear BrisbaneShaiah Raz-aelNinetiesSeeks to unite all religions
Paganism (See witchcraft)worldwidevariousancientRelated to new-age
People’s  TempleGuyanaJim Jones 913 committed suicide Guyana 1978
Potter’s HouseUSA, worldwideWayman Mitchell1970Orthodox Trinitarian Pentecostal.  Some have practiced “heavy shepherding”.
Promise KeepersWorldwideBarry Cutchie (Australia)1990Orthodox evangelical men’s movement. Some small concerns over USA right-wing influence.
Raelian – UFO cultUSA, France, worldwide,Calude Vorilhon (“Rael”)1973Alien embassy plans. Demonstrated against “Independence Day” movie as “racist towards Aliens”
ReikiJapan, USA
Various Healing with hands – energy
Essene New Life Church (see Reiki)    
Revival Centres InternationalWorldwideL.R. Longfield1958Pentecostal extremist, British Israelism
Sant Thakar Singh (see also Yoga)    
ScientologyUSA, worldwideL.Ron Hubbard1952?Cosmic alien religion.
Suma Ching Hai – the Quan Yin MethodVietnam, Taiwan, worldwideChing Hai “living buddha” Buddhist offshoot
Toronto BlessingToronto, worldwideJohn Arnott, Rodney Howard Browne,1994Pentecostal Orthodox theologically, extreme in manifestations.
Trennia – New Apostles of Divine MercyIreland + ?  Divine Mercy Novena.
Twelve TribesUSA  Christian Unorthodox
United Pentecostal Movement  1910Unitarian Pentecostals adhering to Modal Monarchianism.
WitchcraftWorldwide  Various types of different significance
World Peace Universal Church (Matson)Boondall, BrisbaneRoger Gregory Matson198? 
Yoga (see also Sant Thakar Singh)IndiaHindu OffshootancientKnowing God through body mastery. Bhagavad Gita.
This list is necessarily brief and indicative.  Call for more details
  
(c) Cult Information Service – Brisbane Australia (07) 3878 5212 – Call Anytime.
This website carries information of a general nature only and is no substitute for professional counselling. 

The Jacob Prasch Files:

No.1: David Pawson’s 1998 Report on Prasch’s Behaviour
No.2: Prasch Damns His Chosen Arbiter David Pawson!
No.3: Prasch the “Malevolent and Breathtakingly Ungrateful Thug”
No.4: Moriel Australia Inc. & Prasch’s “List of Imaginary JW Supporters and Heretics”
No.5: “Head-kicking” Benny Hinn, and “Culling” Moriel’s “Aunt Maybel” Subscribers
No.6: Prasch: Pastor or Predator?
No.7: Prasch: “Women Are Vulnerable to Spiritual Seduction More Than Men Are”

Tuesday 19 November 2019

BILL RANDLES IRRATIONAL BEHAVIOUR

CLOSINGSTAGES: PUBLIC APOLOGY
CLOSINGSTAGES: BILL RANDLES RESOLUTION
https://closingstages.net/2019/11/18/randles-resolution/

Following Mike and Pat Rogers' public apology to Bill Randles, I have to say that Randles irrational behaviour is quite something to behold! Unsurprisingly, his illogical suggestion that they follow the Matthew 18 process in order to resolve their differences has resulted in further issues.

The Matthew 18:15-17 Process:

Stage 1: If your brother sins against you, go and confront him privately. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. (v15)
Stage 2: But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses. (v 16)
Stage 3: If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. (v 17a)
Stage 4: And if he refuses to listen even to the church, regard him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. (v17b)

Some thoughts: All this has taken place in the public domain. As such it is not an issue that can realistically be settled privately by the Matthew 18 process. Nevertheless Mike and Pat did listen to Bill Randles and took appropriate action (stage 1). However, Bill does not listen to their grievances, which necessitates the involvement of one or two others (stage 2). If Bill will not listen to one or two others, and as they are not in a church setting, Mike and Pat cannot “tell it to the church”. As such stage 3 does not apply. At stage 2 if there is no resolution, I think they would need to decide whether to regard Bill as a “pagan or a tax collector”. In a church setting that would necessitate that Bill's company is to be shunned. (Stage 4).
In any event, Bill invalidated the whole process when he vilified Mike and Pat publicly after Matthew 18 was initiated and after he had agreed to await their response. 
[William Randles Tim Wirth it is not true what they posted about how”vile” Kris and I, and these hypocrites repost from Jacobs website when it serves their interest in sliming my name, such as when they posted Sergio’s lying rant ... none of it is”hard truth”].  
A further violation of the process occurred when Bill copied another person into his email responses to Mike and Pat erratically without consulting them and without their permission.
Bill continues to flout the Matthew 18 process by adding to his list of original grievances.

In my view, resolution with such an unstable person will be very difficult indeed!

Further Problems
Both Bill and Kristin have broken the scriptures by making ad hominem remarks and accusations they are not prepared to back up with specific examples and facts. (2 Corinthians 13:1).
In my own case, Bill has accused me of being a "feminist", as well as making other false accusations against me.* However he failed to produce any evidence to substantiate those lies. He subsequently followed up by calling me a an "abusive reviler”. Despite being challenged by me, Bill completely ignores me and refuses to acknowledge my grievances against him. Is that scriptural?

* UPDATE 22/11/2019:  I have accepted Bill's recent apology on a previous obscure post of mine for calling me a "feminist".


Partiality

When I asked Bill Randles to read my intra-seal critique on Prasch, he agreed, but he did not keep his word. His partiality was obvious when he asked: "What are the implications of Jacob not getting the counting of the Omer exactly right?" {1}

Concerning David Nathan:

Bill Randles: "In my view, the original issue which triggered all of this boils down to two statements of David Nathan’s; 
'The blood of Jesus will not profit anyone anything in the Millennium' and the twin statement in which Nathan strongly asserts that the blood sacrifices offered in the Millennium are in no way memorial. In other words, they do not point back to the cross of Jesus, as the Lord’s Supper does.

"God the Father did not Create anything”
{2}
Can Bill Randles clarify why precisely he will not “forgive” David Nathan? If it concerns the millennium question, then it is not for Bill Randles to “forgive” a doctrinal error.. only the Lord can do that. We forgive one another our sins against each other, not doctrinal error. (Colossians 3:13). We “expose” false teaching – that is all. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. Ephesians 5:1.
Bill Randles: "So what is my problem? WHY HAVEN'T I 'FORGIVEN' HIM?"
I have all kinds of problems with these two issues, but DON'T ASSUME I HAVEN'T FORGIVEN or don’t love David Nathan because it isn’t true..

DOCTRINAL ISSUES ARE NOT PRIMARILY A MATTER OF FORGIVENESS … they are matters of the determination of truth.."
This particular example of Bill's double speak had the effect of muddying the waters, and it prolonged an already unpleasant episode. In my view, it was a deliberate attempt to further damage David Nathan's reputation.

Further evidence of Bill Randles duplicity: 
"We don’t have to get personal. If we could just be objective people, take a look at Scripture, put aside personalities put aside people being rude, this or that or the other. Do you really want to promote a man, who says the Father didn’t create anything? Or that the blood of Christ has no profit AT ANY DISPENSATION.. People have to remember where their true loyalty lies, it lies with the Word." https://youtu.be/fPzfy83U5Y0 (1:17 mark).
To state that David Nathan was referring to ANY DISPENSATION is a complete fabrication! The original question concerned the MILLENIUM, and in that respect David Nathan has clarified his position.
David Nathan: "The statement which I should not have made but rather should have sought to express myself very differently and that folk have objected to is, 'The Blood of Jesus will not profit anyone, anything in the Millennium.' In using this phrase, which I regret, I was not stating that the Blood of Jesus does not cleanse in all ages as this would be a clear violation of scripture. His blood alone can take away sin and every sacrifice from Genesis 3:21, when the Lord clothed Adam and Eve in tunics of skin to the sacrifices of the Millennium all point to Jesus. In the teaching I kept using the word atone to describe the purpose of the millennial sacrifices in the sense that they do not remove sin but cover sin. I reiterate again that I do not teach nor believe that the sin of an animal or animals can ever remove sin. Not under the Old Testament, not now nor in the age to come. Only the Blood of Jesus can remove sin both now and forever, including the millennium. This is and has always been what I have believed though I did not express it succinctly in the series on Eschatology.
I only offer the above as an explanation of why I used the phrase and not as an excuse for trying to justify using it. I was wrong to use it as it does not, nor ever did convey what I actually believe regarding the eternal cleansing power of the Blood of Jesus which alone removes sin for all ages."  {3}
David Nathan: "The bible is absolutely clear that God is the creator. The Father ordained creation. Jesus was the creator in perfect unity with the Father.. not that God the Father was not involved in creation.." {4}
Kristin Randles has said all kinds of wicked things against David Nathan, as recorded on my previous post {5} .
Critically, Bill seems oblivious to the fact that Jacob Prasch thoroughly agreed with David Nathan’s millennial views. Bill has never acknowledged that fact – and that was his main bone of contention!


All these are the actions of a "pastor" who boasts of 40 years in the ministry! 

Saturday 16 November 2019

JACOB PRASCH CONTINUES TO PUT THE BOOT IN!



Jacob Prasch: "One of the most vicious Jezebels with a Jezebel Spirit I have ever encountered in my life is in Fife Scotland.. What would you say of a woman who promotes somebody who says 'God the Father is not the creator..' that 'the gospel is not eternal..' and defends and promotes the priests of Baal.. 'you can pray into a jacket or a tie or a piece of cloth and knock people over with it..' and then when she is opposed she goes on the warpath (??). That's a Jezebel. She is a vicious, vicious woman, she is demonised.." (1:33-1:36).

These accusations against Deborah Menelaws are very serious! Indeed Prasch's habit of slandering women is not limited to Deborah Menelaws. The "Jezebel" slur is one of his favourite accusations against any woman who stands against him.

Why does Prasch continue to rake up issues that David Nathan publicly repented of some time ago? (Acts 3:19; Colossians 2:14; Isaiah 43:25).

As far as I am concerned David Nathan's name is cleared on all counts, with one exception - I still have reservations about his teaching on the millennium. However we must not forget that Jacob Prasch was in full agreement with David Nathan on this subject. After reading BW Newton, I now understand more fully the negative ramifications associated with salvation by grace ending upon Christ's return. {2}

Deborah's response:





Above - Jacob Prasch, David Nathan and Marco Quintana are all in agreement, i.e. after the rapture of the church, the age of grace comes to an end:

Jacob Prasch: "Once the harpazo transpires, the Lord will refocus His primary intentions on the salvation of Israel, although not salvation in the sense that we understand it, not by grace, it will ?? revert back to the Old Testament way of dealing with man and the nations."

David Nathan re-emphasises Prasch's point: "After the rapture, the age of dispensation of grace as we know it, the church age is over. From that moment until the end of the millennium, everything reverts back under law. There is no salvation in the sense of being adopted, being part of the family of God. The Jews and those in the millennium will become the people of God and not the family of God. Everything reverts back under old covenant. So when Jesus comes, that's it, salvation, as we understand it, by grace is over. That is why the parables of the marriage feast in Matthew 22 and in 25 says that when the door is shut, no one else can come in. If you don't have a wedding garment on, in other words, garments made of white by the blood of the Lamb ?? any other garment, you are going to get kicked out. So when the Lord returns, He comes for his bride, there are not two weddings. There is one wedding for one bride at one time in history. You are either in it or you are not. After that, everything goes back under Law."

Jacob Prasch nods at various points and is in full agreement with everything David Nathan says.

Jacob Prasch: "The wedding is the same as the door being shut in Noah's ark."

The statement that millennial Jews and Gentiles will not be saved under grace because the marriage feast is over is extremely problematic. Are not Israel regarded corporately as God's wife during the millennium? (Isaiah 54:5; 62:5; Hosea 2:16). {1}

Fake Jew Jacob Prasch is a proven false teacher whose deluded claim to have "the ministry of Elijah" is utterly absurd.

1. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/04/jacob-prasch-david-nathan-marco.html
2. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/05/jacob-prasch-millennial-views-tainted.html

Tuesday 5 November 2019

Fellowship Bible Chapel Fall Prophecy Conference Session 3 - Charles Cooper


2019 10 12 FBC Fall Prophecy Conference Session Three - Charles Cooper

The following observations on Session 3 are a follow up to my previous post regarding the final Session 5 Q&A, in which I took issue with a number of Cooper's assertions, including:

* The application of 1 Kings 17:14-16 to believers during the great tribulation.
* The apostasy of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 refers specifically to Israel.
* The cleansing of the church will occur before the great tribulation.
* The Antichrist will take his seat in "a holy place".
* Jesus' return with the armies of heaven (Revelation 19:14-15) will not include the resurrected saints.

My refutation of Cooper's skewed assertions can be found on: https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/10/fellowship-bible-chapel-fall-prophecy.html

At the beginning of Session 3, Cooper expressed some sympathy with his audience for "enduring" the length of his sessions (an hour and a half as against Alan Kurschner's one hour sessions). Indeed Cooper's habit of wandering off into all kinds of extraneous subjects and side issues does call for endurance!

Session 3 is described as "An an-depth look at the significance of the Seals and Bowls in relationship to the rapture, resurrection, and Day of the Lord."

During this session Cooper confirmed my previous suspicion that his "tradition" is probably Charismatic. Cooper: "In my tradition people stand up, clap, run round, they do things .."

Cooper: "Keep the main thing to the main thing. Don't get distracted into arguments that have nothing to do with the core values and beliefs of the (prewrath) position. This.. has hurt the pre-trib position... because you try to argue too many things that don't have a solid textual basis. It is unnecessary - it makes your position weak because you are arguing something that is tendential. It is the old theological noise.. 'how many angels can sit on the head of a pin'. What does that have to do with the timing of the Lord's return?" (3:00) Perhaps Cooper has not considered the possibility that the weakness of the pre-trib position necessitates frequent digressions into all kinds of unnecessary speculations. In other words, their recurrent deviations may be a deliberate ploy to distract attention away from "the main thing".

Ironically Cooper condemns pre-trib "novices" who do not articulate their position well. (5:30) We should remember that God created all of us with free will and that we in the west are privileged to live in a society that upholds freedom of expression. The abuse of freedom of expression does have some unpleasant consequences, but the alternative is dictatorship. At the present time we are obliged to endure "novices" who make uninformed judgements, though we may refute them. (Titus 1:9). Those who twist the scriptures will face eventual judgement. (2 Peter 2:3). In some sense we are all "novices". (1 Corinthians 13:12). The state of apostasy generally prevailing in the professing church necessitates a challenge, and that challenge falls upon faithful Christians outside the apostate denominations to make informed judgements on various dubious teachings. God is accessible to all the faithful, and every Christian has equal potential to minister for God. The doctrine of the "priesthood of believers" stands in opposition to the concept of a spiritual aristocracy or hierarchy within Christianity. All Christians are exhorted to "test the spirits". (1 John 4:1). 

Cooper claims that Jesus Christ is not going to ask you "What was your eschatology?" In saying this, he immediately relegates eschatology to a non essential subject. I would argue that understanding the timing of the return of Jesus Christ is essential in many key respects if Christians are to avoid being deceived as we approach the 70th week of Daniel. (Matthew 24:4,5,10). Jesus' rebuke to the Pharisees and Sadducees: "..you cannot interpret the signs of the times." (Matthew 16:3 cf. 1 Thessalonians 5:4).

Cooper states that eschatology will not ultimately matter. "What will have mattered is how you treated me as a fellow believer in Christ. The fact that we both believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, died and rose from the dead and is returning.. but you chose not to fellowship with me because of a theological difference on a point, that I think concerns God."

Cooper bemoans the animosity exhibited by the pre-trib camp against anyone who does not hold their view of the rapture. By calling it calling it "one little theological difference" (!!), Cooper grossly underestimates and de-emphasises the gravity of the pre-trib error. If it were such a small matter, then people like Alan Kurschner, Joe Schimmel etc. would not waste their time refuting it. I hold the same core beliefs about Jesus Christ as many pre-tribbers, and yet I believe that their error is lethal  i.e. lethal to the extent that it will lead many of its adherents to eventual apostasy! (Matthew 24:10). I could not attend a church that teaches pre-trib because in many cases their error frames the whole of their theology. A case in point is JD Farag, who made the insane accusation that anyone who attacks the pre-trib rapture is "satanic". {1} This is a classic case of calling good evil and evil good. (Isaiah 5:20). The scriptures tell us that divisions are unavoidable: for there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized. (1 Corinthians 11:19). At its source pre-trib is a satanic deception with not one verse of scripture to verify it. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? (2 Corinthians 6:14; 1 John 4:1). Although I would not deliberately subject or expose myself to the pre-trib error, I do have some sympathy for genuine believers who have been sucked into this deception. The "main thing" is not to put fellowship above truth as Cooper would have it; the "main thing" is to maintain sound doctrine. Those who persistently err in significant areas are to be avoided. (Romans 16:17). 

Pretrib Pastor J. D. Farag talking with Jan Markell and Amir Tsarfati said, 'This is not hyperbole. If it were not for the blessed hope of the soon return of Jesus Christ in the [imminent, pretrib] rapture…I would go literally insane. I would lose my mind. [Amir Tsarfati interjects and says, 'I wouldn’t live.'] I would not be able to handle what my eyes see – the evil and the darkness is such that the likes of which we have never seen in human history'" {2}

Referring to the hostility between pre-trib and prewrath believers, Cooper stated: "There is going to come a day when we are going to need one another." (7:50) When might that day be? If he is referring to persecution during great tribulation, I assume that he does not attribute the apostasy of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 to pre-trib believers (amongst others). Indeed, during Session 5, he made the unaccountable assertion that he attributes the apostasy to Israel.

And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. (Matthew 24:10-13).

Cooper's paraphrase of Revelation 6:10: "God when are you going to get down there and start kicking butt for what they did to us?" (14:00).

Revelation 6:10: They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”

These kind of cheap remarks devalue the terrifying events of Revelation. Teachers especially need to show a proper respect for God's Holy Word. (1 Peter 5:3).

I have great difficulty with Cooper's assertion that the Antichrist will take his seat in "a holy place". (1:24) My understanding is that the unveiling of the Man Of Lawlessness will be in the rebuilt third Jewish Temple on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem at the midpoint of the 70th week of Daniel (2 Thessalonians 2:3,4). As far as I am aware, the third temple will be an ecumenical centre and will be located near or actually on the plot presently occupied by the Dome of the Rock. As such, I cannot see how the temple where the Antichrist takes his seat can possibly be holy.. although no doubt it will be known as "holy".

..who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. (2 Thessalonians 2:4).

ναὸν τοῦ Θεοῦ = temple of God or temple of a god.

“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (ἐν τόπῳ ἁγίῳ) (Matthew 24:15).

According to Cooper, the Antichrist will not take his seat at the location of the temple of old i.e. the site of Solomon's temple, but "in the only holy place in existence right now - Mount Zion." 

I stand to be corrected, but I am not at all convinced that physical Mount Zion is a holy place at the present time?

In the book of Revelation, Jerusalem is described symbolically as Sodom and Egypt. (Revelation 11:8).

For Christians, a physical place of worship is not a necessary requirement. In the book of Hebrews, Zion is considered as a type of the church.(Hebrews 12:18). 

But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, (Hebrews 12:22). 

But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation). (Hebrews 9:11).

When Jesus returns, He will rule over the entire earth during the millennial kingdom from Zion. (Joel 3:17-21; Zechariah 14:8-9, 20-21; Revelation 20:4-6).

As Christians we anticipate the heavenly Jerusalem that descends from heaven.." a new heaven and a new earth."

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. (Revelation 21:1-2).



Sunday 27 October 2019

FELLOWSHIP BIBLE CHAPEL FALL PROPHECY CONFERENCE Q&A: CHARLES COOPER CONCERNS

2019 10 12 FBC Prophecy Session Five - Cooper, Kurschner, Haller and Clapham
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXJKrPqYIUc


As a prewrath proponent, I had very high hopes of this conference at Fellowship Bible Chapel in Ohio. The speakers were Alan Kurschner, Charles Cooper, Mike Clapham and John Haller. Alan Kurschner is something of a prewrath expert and the go-to person on this subject. I have only recently heard of Charles Cooper and Mike Clapham. Charles Cooper is described as ".. an author, lecturer and church consultant, and is also the founder and director of the Prewrath Resource Institute of Orlando, FL" {1}

I am concentrating this post on Session Five, i.e. the Q&A session at the end of the Prophecy Conference. Sadly, the session was rather badly managed with Cooper dominating the panel discussion with questionable eisegeses and various lapses into extraneous anecdotes. It would have been better to have had more input from the other speakers.

Cooper answered the first question (paraphrased for clarity): "What physical preparations should Christians make for the great tribulation?" Cooper on provisions: "If you only have one cupful of meal in a barrel, God will refill that cup every day.. While " ..nothing will be impossible with God (Luke 1:37), there is no indication in the scriptures that the word of Elijah the prophet for a specific situation in the OT will be applicable to Christians during the great tribulation. (1 Kings 17:14-16; Romans 8:35). Cooper: "The only thing you are going to need is a bible." Cooper went on to say that Christians would need a bible made of a material such as leather or plastic that would not easily be destroyed by water or heat. I do not know that such an item exists. These irrational remarks set the tone for Cooper's further questionable responses during the session.

Cooper completely dismissed the question about the identity of the Restrainer (2 Thessalonians 2:4). (7:45). I do not think that the identity of the Restrainer should be a point of contention, with one proviso. When various teachers insist that the Restrainer is the Holy Spirit, there are ramifications. This view forms an important part of the pre-trib argument and it has also been utilised by Jacob Prasch to form part of his flawed intra-seal theory.

Cooper identified the apostasy of 2 Thessalonians 2:3, not to the professing church, but specifically to Israel. (14:00). Cooper: "Professing people cannot commit apostasy." This sounds like the 'once saved always saved' error. Apostate Israel does not make sense within the context of Matthew 24:9-12. In context Jesus spoke about the persecution and martyrdom of his followers. Matthew 24:10. And then (at that time) many will fall away.. Matthew 24:12: ".. the love of most will grow cold. But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved." (Matthew 13:21, 57). Revelation 12:13-14 tells us that the dragon (Satan) will persecute the woman (Israel), that a remnant will flee and will be nourished and protected for 3.5 years in the wilderness i.e. the period of the great tribulation. Zechariah 13:8-9: In the whole land, declares the LORD, two thirds shall be cut off and perish, and one third shall be left alive. (cf. Jeremiah 30:7). If one third of the Jews are protected in the wilderness (Petra?), and two thirds perish, then who amongst the Jews are left to apostatize? In any event, how can unconverted Jews apostatize from something they have never believed in?

Cooper stated that the cleansing of the church will occur before the great tribulation! (22:00). When Cooper refers to "the church", he includes the apostate church, which he claims will be drastically reduced prior to the tribulation. However, the scriptures state that apostasy will increase in the last days. (Matthew 24:12; 1 Timothy 4:1-3; 2 Timothy 4:3-4; Revelation 3:14-22).

Regarding the third temple: I agree with the literal interpretation of the third temple. (2 Thessalonians 2:4; Matthew 24:15). Cooper: "If Antichrist takes his seat in a place and desecrates it, it has to be holy because God makes it holy.. When Antichrist takes his seat, he is going to take a seat in a holy place, and the only way it can be holy is that God makes it so."
(33:00).  My problem with this view is that since the third temple is not divinely sanctified, then how can it be holy prior to the point when the Antichrist takes his seat there? From what I gather, the third temple will be ecumenical.. is this not a desecration, and is not the Dome of the Rock a desecration of the Temple Mount? The glory of the LORD came on Solomon's temple. (2 Chronicles 5:13-14 cf. Exodus 40:35; Zechariah 8:3). A principal theme in the book of Ezekiel is the departure and eventual return of God's glory to Jerusalem. Stephen proclaimed the truth that God no longer dwells in temples made with hands (Acts 7:48). Coopers statements are very confusing on this subject.

Regarding Jesus' return with the armies of heaven (Revelation 19:14-15) Cooper: "I am not convinced at all that the bride accompanies Him at that event.. I think the bride comes down in the New Jerusalem.. I don't think she descends with Him coming to do battle.." Cooper does not recognise the relevance of the "bride to armies" metaphors. (46:00).

There are problems with this view:

After the rapture, the glorified saints will always be with the Lord:

Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. (1 Thessalonians 4:17).

And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. (Revelation 19:14). This verse follows the description of the Bride in Revelation 19:8: ..it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure— for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints. 

Cambridge Bible: "fine linen, white and clean] The dress of Angels in St Matthew 28:3 and parallels, Acts 1:10; but of Saints in this Book, Revelation 3:4, Revelation 7:9, and probably Revelation 4:4 : compare the almost exactly similar words of Revelation 19:8." {2}

The "bride to armies" metaphors are not inexplicable actually - the bride is often referred to in terms of an army as per the following examples:

Ephesians 6:10-17 - ..put on the full armour of God..
Romans 13:12 - So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armour of light.
2 Corinthians 10:4 - For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds.

1 Timothy 6:12 - Fight the good fight of the faith..  

I won't go into Cooper's opinions about the mark of the beast. (48:30). However, Mike Clapham made an interesting observation earlier on in the session about the apostasy of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (10:30) i.e. that kai (and) links the man of lawlessness with the apostasy: For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.. I agree that there is a connection between the apostasy and the man of lawlessness, but unless I am mistaken, the scriptures indicate that the mark of the beast occurs later than the mid point of the 70th week. The message of the third angel of Revelation 14:6-9 warns people of the consequences of worshipping the beast and its image and receiving the mark. This indicates that the mark is not yet compulsory? The time line indicates that prior to the third angels warning, the false prophet deceives those who dwell on the earth by performing great signs. After the people are deceived by the signs, the false prophet instructs them to make an image for the beast. The third element, the mark i.e. the name of the beast or the number of its name, appears to coincide with the image of the beast. It is unlikely that the angels proclamation of the gospel worldwide, and the third angels dire warnings about worshipping the beast and its image, and taking the mark are made ex post facto. I have gone into this scenario more thoroughly elsewhere and I have inserted two links at the end of this post.

During the prayer at the end of the session, Cooper decided to rebuke cancer in a woman's liver (I gather that it was a woman attending the conference). He went on to rebuke Satan himself and commanded the cancer to withdraw. (1:22). I do not doubt that the Lord heals, but I have seen too much of this sort of thing in the Pentecostal/Charismatic churches and I have become jaded by all the drama. (Jude 1:9).

I am rather troubled by the sloppy interpretations of Charles Cooper. I associate faulty eisegeses on this level with charismania. My concern is that others will also pick up on these problems and that the prewrath position will be impeded. Prewrath has hitherto been blessed with careful exegeses from Robert Van Kampen, Marvin Rosenthal, Alan Kurschner and others.

1. https://www.alankurschner.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Prewrath-Conference-2019.pdf
2. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/revelation/19-14.htm

The Mark Of The Beast:
https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-mark-of-beast.html
https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/02/the-mark-of-beast-two-witnesses.html

Thursday 24 October 2019

JACOB PRASCH: SMOKE AND MIRRORS!



Prasch: "..the angel of the Lord is the Metatron, and we know that's the Messiah, we know that's Jesus".



Whether fake Jew Jacob Prasch's problems as a serial liar are due to mental illness or demonic activity I cannot say. In any event, Prasch does need to be exposed as a very dangerous false teacher.. and now that this Metatron lie has surfaced, I hope and pray that his remaining followers will take heed at long last.

Prasch’s teaching in September on the Metatron was recorded at Community Church of Devore. How many Orthodox Jews need converting there? It is a stretch to say that this teaching was for evangelistic purposes.. it was delivered to a western non-Messianic congregation.

I can verify Frank Rogers' findings that the phrase "middle of the throne" is not found in the Old Testament book of Isaiah at all! Prasch's claim that this phrase is found in Isaiah 5:6 is completely false:
I will make it a waste;
it shall not be pruned or hoed,
and briers and thorns shall grow up;
I will also command the clouds

that they rain no rain upon it.
(Isaiah 5:6)

The context of Isaiah 5:1-7 is The Song of the Vineyard (cf. Luke 13:6-9).
Israel is the Lord's vineyard. 
Isaiah 5:2 refers to "the middle of the vineyard".  

" I built a watchtower in the MIDDLE.." = μέσῳ (mesō) (Isaiah 5:2)

Prasch accuses his critics of ignorance, and he claims that mesō (μέσῳ) is a synonym for meta (μετά).

The preposition μετά = with, among, after or beyond.. {1}  
The adjective/neuter noun μέσῳ = middle, in the midst (every occurrence). {2} 

Revelation 4:5 has neither μετά or μέσῳ, rather the Greek text says θρόνου ενωπιον = "before the throne."

From the throne came flashes of lightning, and rumblings and peals of thunder, and before the throne were burning seven torches of fire, which are the seven spirits of God, (Revelation 4:5).


Revelation 4:6 refers to four living creatures in the middle (μέσῳ) of the throne:


https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/4-6.htm

The only verses in Revelation that refer to μέσῳ/μέσον τοῦ θρόνου in relation to Jesus Christ are Revelation 5:6 (μέσῳ) and Revelation 7:17 (μέσον). {3} The adjective μέσος, η, ον denotes location. Jesus Christ is literally located in the middle of the throne. The adjective μέσῳ is not a synonym for the preposition μετά.

And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. (Revelation 5:6).

Pulpit Commentary: "The repetition of 'in the midst' is a Hebraism (cf. Genesis 1:4, 6, 7, LXX.)." {4}

THE CONTEXT!

Wesley's Notes: "5:6 And I saw - First, Christ in or on the midst of the throne; secondly, the four living creatures making the inner circle round him; and, thirdly, the four and twenty elders making a larger circle round him and them.." {5} 

1. https://biblehub.com/greek/3326.htm
2. https://biblehub.com/greek/meso__3319.htm
3. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/5-6.htm
4. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/pulpit/revelation/5.htm
5. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/wes/revelation/5.htm

FURTHER INFORMATION:

The Appeal and danger of Moriel - Michael Rogers from Closingstages.net
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaTqaYtHz5M&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3Eesd2xhgB0abQiNhCRjoyzeOK6l0NBvnkY6Me1nr6STgpfpaZ-C4ag1c