The skeletons in Bethel's closet are now going to speak
The above is a detailed video lasting for almost six hours exposing false prophet Shawn Bolz. We might hail Winger as the hero of the day for exposing false teachers. However, I have reservations about Winger's ministry for reasons that I will summarise below.
> He seeks to restore false prophets to ministry.
> At the beginning of this video, Winger says that he is "hoping to bring positive reform into the charismatic church." (3:23 mark).
> His attendance at the Charlie Kirk memorial and his endorsement of ecumenism and TPUSA.
> His announcement that he was "changing" and was considering involvement in the gospel, combined with political activism.
> His endorsement of NAR heretics in the recent past, and his previous affirmation of Todd White as "sincere" and a "brother in Christ". When Winger finally did call out Todd White last year, his evidence consisted of anonymous whistleblowers rather than named witnesses. ( 2 Corinthians 13:1).
> He has called for the death of Muslims in Nigeria.
For full details see my previous posts.*
In Winger’s latest video, the issue of anonymous whistleblowers doesn’t arise; he cites a number of named witnesses. Bolz has already been exposed by several ministries, but Winger introduces additional, previously unheard information, and it is useful to have it consolidated in one place. His platform is sizable, and despite my reservations, there is at least the possibility that this video will jolt sincere believers entangled in the NAR to their senses.
NAR false prophets/teachers Bill Johnson, Kris Vallotton, Ché Ahn, Patricia King, Heidi Baker, etc., are a pack of wolves. It is well documented that Bethel Redding manufactures fake glory clouds, fake gold dust, fake angel feathers, fake fire tunnels, as well as practising grave sucking and all manner of lying signs. Given their previous history, why is Winger "shocked" that Vallotton lied and is part of the deception and cover-up culture?
Winger: "This desire Bethel has to restore fallen leaders is itself a good desire; it doesn't play out without cover-up culture. That's the problem." (03:20 mark)
Winger's conclusion:
"My call for extreme action from Charismatic leaders." (5:39 mark).
"My call to Charismatic leaders is that you have to call them (false prophets) all out.. The one thing that is going to cleanse the world in the Charismatic world is the truth.. I hope there is real change. I hope there is real reform. I do believe it can happen, but it would take such a change of the structure that you guys would be calling out your own foundations as false. That's what it is going to take, and I will champion you if you do that."
Winger misses the obvious: he is dealing with savage wolves, not wayward colleagues. His critique assumes that false prophet Kris Vallotton and other leaders at Bethel ought to have acted responsibly—exposing Bolz and safeguarding the wider church. But wolves do what wolves do; they are predatory, not protective. Expecting integrity from them, or appealing to a conscience already cauterised (1 Timothy 4:2), is futile. Scripture warns that such figures prioritise their own image over the truth. They cloak themselves in piety and claim divine authority, yet their words mislead, and their influence draws the undiscerning off course. It is not biblical to call for reform in this extreme situation; anyone who is truly saved needs to come out of this demonic environment. Biblically, the only action to take against false prophets and their enablers is to mark and avoid them. (Romans 16:17-18). In the Old Testament, false prophets were put to death. (Deuteronomy 18:20). In the New Testament, believers are commanded to mark and avoid (ἐκκλίνετε) false prophets/teachers. This is not optional; ἐκκλίνετε is a present imperative active verb.
I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them. Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to admonish every one with tears. (Acts 20:29-31).
Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. (Matthew 7:15-20).
See also 2 Peter 2:1; 1 John 4:1; 2 Corinthians 11:13-15; 1 Timothy 4:1-2; 2 Timothy 3:5; Jeremiah 23:16; Ezekiel 22:28).
The popularity of NAR prophets is itself a warning sign. Jeremiah faced the same dynamic with the
"court prophets"—men who delivered only the pleasant messages people preferred to hear. The NAR figures who cluster around Donald Trump illustrate the pattern clearly: they tell their audience exactly what it wants to hear. As Paul warned, some will always gravitate toward teachers who cater to itching ears. (2 Timothy 4:3).
Michael Grant argues that the solution is to simply abandon the charismatic gifts altogether—essentially, a full embrace of cessationism.1 The difficulty with that claim is that scripture affirms the ongoing reality of prophecy and other spiritual gifts, while also providing safeguards for their use. The biblical emphasis is not on shutting the gifts down, but on exercising discernment.
Hi Treena, good article and straight to the point.
ReplyDeleteAs you say Mike Winger has his own questionable teachings and alliances.
I was in the charasmatic movement for about 15 years and got caught up in Pensicola and Toronto. I had to do much repenting of my own when the Lord showed me the truth. You cannot reform these movements, no more than you can the Catholic Church, the root is bad that Is why the fruit is bad. The only solution is run, get out as quick as you can. I know it can take years to work through the abuse and lies and manipulation. I don't need to watch six hours to know what was going on, it is just history repeating itself.
I am not a cessaisionist and agree the gifts are still at work but not in the whacky world of charismatic.
God bless
John
Thank you John. I was also in the charismatic church for a long time, although I was never comfortable and often questioned their teachings. It takes a long time to deconstruct as you say. God bless.
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