MORIEL'S CREATURES IDENTIFIED!

I have written something to the church, but Diotrephes, who likes to put himself first, does not acknowledge our authority. So if I come, I will bring up what he is doing, talking wicked nonsense against us. And not content with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers, and also stops those who want to and puts them out of the church. (3 John 1:9-10).

Jacob Prasch's Creatures Identified:

*Joshua Chavez (aka Servus Christi) likes to secretly record his victims in order to entrap them. Chavez is a man who always answers a question with a question. He has managed to alienate himself even from many within the Moriel camp!

*Amos Farrell (Genesis Christian Radio) is another dirty tricks merchant.

Farrell was a bit too dismissive when I questioned the true identity of John Cambridge on Bill Randles FB page. In my view The John Cambridge episode was a complete sham.

One comment on Bill Randles FB page was very insightful:

"I was re-reading Paul’s epistles recently. One detail that struck me was how important authentication was to Paul when writing to people. He would take a few verses introducing people like Timothy, Titus, Tychicus, etc. as legitimate ministers, etc. In particular in 2 Thessalonians it looks as if Paul had to write the letter to dispel false teaching, false teachers, and possibly even forged epistles, e.g. 2 Thessalonians 2:2 '..that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come,' and 2 Thessalonians 3:17 where he basically has to affirm that he’s writing the letter and what his handwriting looks like so they could tell a forgery. It’s interesting to see in the modern free church system how we’re still struggling with similar practical issues: Who’s legit and who isn’t, who really represents whom and who doesn’t, etc." {1}

Dave Borlase "That, for me creates two major issues. 1) Jacob hadn’t read in full or investigated the source before putting it out on the Moriel TV page and encouraging me to read it. It seems anything from anyone will do, as long as it fits the narrative he is presenting. 2) In his testimonial of these people, he gives them a glowing report, but as the blog post shows, he knows a lot more about them than he tells me. I can only consider that, at best misleading and could well be considered a deliberate attempt to deceive." {1}

*John Cambridge (aka Dusty Peterson/Neville John Rainier) is the dubious character who almost got in on the act. However, his sins soon found him out! (Numbers 32:23).

*John Haller The silence has been deafening for a long time. At last Haller has been persuaded to squeak up. 

*Ian Huxham "This is just about doctrine, it is not about David.." OK Ian.. if you say so!

*Bill Randles put up a token fight at first, but he turned out to be weak. Randles friendship with Prasch has taken precedence over any attempt he made at godly discipline. (James 3:17). I am still waiting for Bill Randles assessment of Prasch's intra-seal theory. Perhaps when he is not too busy being manipulated by Prasch, he will have time to give his attention to these false teachings.

Bill Randles FB

It appears that Bill Randles was pressured to take down his article entitled "The Menelaws Are My Friends". {1}

Moriel TV have opted to hide all comments and have blocked any discussion from taking place on their FB page. It seems that open discussion about these matters is not on Diotrephes' agenda!

It's been a very close run thing, but my vote for Prasch's number one creature goes to Joshua Chavez, with Amos Farrell coming up a very close second.. but perhaps you have another candidate in mind?

Creatures: "Shall we leave that victim alone now Jacob?"

Prasch: "What do you think you ignoramuses.. Get out there and get it back you morons ..grrr."

On a more serious note.. Prasch's creatures have compromised their integrity and tarnished their reputations as ministers of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Mikes comment on my previous post is priceless:

"Very sad that teachers such as John Haller and Bill Randles have tarnished their reputations and from henceforth their ministries by participating in a video which is nothing more than propaganda for a self-deluded Diotrephes who has disqualified himself as a minister of the gospel for many reasons. One more exposer of heretics has now been exposed as a heretic himself and possibly, a false convert. He appears to be devoid of the love of Christ and is an unrepentant accuser of the brethren. I am sure there is a defamation case (or cases) that can lawfully come forth from this sad situation which must be causing the wicked one to be rejoicing." {2}



{1} https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009370648530&epa=SEARCH_BOX
{2} https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2018/12/pastor-bill-randles-blog-menelaws-are.html
{3} https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2018/12/moriels-deaf-spin-doctors-spring-into.html?showComment=1545869153726#c3134389929853762729

TO THE DEAF, DUMB AND BLIND LEADERSHIP OF MORIEL... BY CLOSINGSTAGES

Below is a video where David Nathan address all the issues he is accused of by Jacob Prasch and his henchmen who are determined to discredit David Nathan and villainize him as a heretic. It serves as an example of what is known in a religious system as “the good boy network,” where a leader is placed on such a high pedestal that they themselves are beyond correction and criticism, who themselves are unaccountable to anyone for their actions and behavior. Where those who follow do so with complete blindness. Its a matter of conformation bias which is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one’s own beliefs or hypotheses, while giving disproportionately less consideration to alternative possibilities. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning. In attempting to debate supposed accusations the leadership of Moriel and its affiliates have made themselves look very foolish by stroking Jacob Prasch’s agenda against David Nathan and refusing to investigate the matter fully and address Prasch’s unbibical behavior and refusal to meet and resolve said issues.

Men such as John Haller, Bill Randles, Ian Huxham & Amos Farrell cozy up to Prasch and are enablers to his hot style, aggressive, unethical, and unbiblical behavior all while David Nathan has pleaded for reconciliation. Prasch on the other lies and manipulates the facts. In fact, he is guilty of far worse that what he has accused David Nathan of. He diminishes the role and ministry of the Holy Spirit in his faulty eschatology, reverses Pentecost without any biblical evidence and distorts Jesus’ teachings concerning the Holy Spirit role in the world. An article is soon coming. Watch the video below, examine the facts, and by all means do the right thing. Take a stand, its time people stand up to bullies such as Prasch, who abuse their power over others and ostracize without any real biblical grievances. Who himself is disobedient to our Lord’s teaching on church discipline as taught in the beatitude and outlined in Matthew 18.

https://closingstages.net/2018/12/25/to-the-deaf-dumb-and-blind-leadership-of-moriel/

MORIEL'S DEAF SPIN DOCTORS SPRING INTO ACTION. BY LOUIS ERASMUS

For pressing milk produces curds, pressing the nose produces blood, and pressing anger produces strife. (Proverbs 30:33).



Louis responds to the latest video: John Haller, Bill Randles, Ian Huxham & Amos Farrell respond to David Nathan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPzfy83U5Y0

The accusation in this video is that David Nathan has still not cleared up the question of blood sacrifices during the millennium. This accusation is patently untrue as demonstrated by David Nathan's response to Bill Randles dated 15th October 2018:

"The statement which I should not have made but rather should have sought to express myself very differently and that folk have objected to is, “The Blood of Jesus will not profit anyone, anything in the Millennium.”  In using this phrase, which I regret, I was not stating that the Blood of Jesus does not cleanse in all ages as this would be a clear violation of scripture. His blood alone can take away sin and every sacrifice from Genesis 3:21, when the Lord clothed Adam and Eve in tunics of skin to the sacrifices of the Millennium all point to Jesus. In the teaching I kept using the word atone to describe the purpose of the millennial sacrifices in the sense that they do not remove sin but cover sin. I reiterate again that I do not teach nor believe that the sin of an animal or animals can ever remove sin. Not under the Old Testament, not now nor in the age to come. Only the Blood of Jesus can remove sin both now and forever, including the millennium. This is and has always been what I have believed though I did not express it succinctly in the series on Eschatology."  https://www.bolm.co.za/index_htm_files/Response%20to%20Bill%20Randles%20-%20Open%20Letter.pdf

Incredibly at the end of their accusatory video against David Nathan, Amos Farrell urges "brothers and sisters - Stop this -this is totally ?? it is not edifying the church or any individual.."  I think that many people are wondering why Moriel's stooges do not "stop this" in light of David Nathan's clear refutation back in October, and his further video Addressing BOLM in Regards to Jacob Prasch:
https://youtu.be/c2TnH52Rmu0

Amos Farrell has also recently questioned the validity of my claim that the Sisterhood of Mary are ecumenical in a previous post:
JACOB PRASCH & DAVID NOAKES MORIEL CONFERENCE 2018! ECUMENISM BY STEALTH?
https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2018/09/jacob-prasch-david-noakes-moriel.html#comments

Evidence that the Sisterhood of Mary are ecumenical:

Wikipedia gives the following information: "The Evangelical Sisterhood of Mary is an ecumenical, Lutheran based, religious order."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Sisterhood_of_Mary

God is Always Greater (Ecumenical Sisterhood of Mary Darmstadt, 2)
Schlink, Mother Basilea
https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=9049362913&searchurl=sortby%3D20%26an%3Dmother%2Bbasilea%2Bschlink&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title5

Book Review by IAGS: Mothering the Fatherland: A Protestant Sisterhood Repents for the Holocaust
"The immediate impetus for the formation of the Ecumenical Sisters of Mary, as the group was called.."
https://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.co.uk/&httpsredir=1&article=1394&context=gsp

Basilea Schlink was a sister of Professor Edmund Schlink (3 March 1903 – 20 May 1984) who was a leading German Lutheran theologian in the modern ecumenical movement, especially in the World Council of Churches.

"Schlink (1903-1984) published an ecumenical systematic theology (Őkumenische Dogmatik, Schlink 1983a) shortly before his death, which remains probably the only work of its kind until today.. In the book, forewords by the Roman Catholic Heinrich Fries and the Orthodox Nikos Nissiotis also welcome and praise the book in glowing terms." http://www.scielo.org.za/pdf/vee/v29n2/09.pdf

THE MADMAN UNDER INVESTIGATION, RIGHTLY SO.. BY M'KAYLA KELLY

Make sure that the light you think you have is not actually darkness. Luke 11:35

Recently, it was brought to my attention that Jacob Prasch of Moriel Ministries has been under somewhat of an investigation by an organization called Catalyst. Following is the video hosted by Mr. Graham Baldwin explaining the nature of the investigation involving Mr. Prash’s actions and behavior with an invite for others to come forward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut1nn_2PKCk&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR1Y4ZAqLySBwR5QvfJdzIEQpDHbqu6zgJlRry-q6XcHHSjArYhxXfhd3MM

Moriel Ministries, a 501(c)(3) non profit corporation in the USA is run by 3 trustees – James (Jacob) Prasch, David Lister and Marco Quintana. Moriel Missions – a UK registered charity is run by Prasch and Lister. Their media man calling himself Josh Chav has uploaded a number of defamatory videos to the Moriel YouTube channel on their behalf and has published Moriel messages on their Facebook – neither of which allows free comments or right of reply. Having made a number of false and extremely defamatory accusations against certain Christians and their ministries, Graham Baldwin of Catalyst Counselling (www.catalystcounselling.net) challenges Moriel and their supporters to examine the evidence for themselves.
                                          

                                                   _____________________

Following a copy of the e-mail I sent to Mr. Baldwin in response to his video. For those of you who are reading this and are unaware of previous experience with Moriel, you will find a link to a previous post in the body of the letter, along with the mention of others who were also involved at that time.

Dear Mr. Baldwin,
I am contacting you regarding the behavior and treatment that I and others have experienced at the hand of Jacob Prasch, a man upheld by many as a man of God. I am the blogger, M’Kayla Kelly at M’Kaylas Korner, and the unnamed friend mentioned to you in the letter from Mike and Pat Rogers. I will assure you the events that Mike brought to your attention during the summer of 2016 regarding our experiences with Moriel via Tim Wirth are correct.

After watching your video and discussing recent events with my friends, I cannot stay silent. I have a blog that exposes false teaching of the International Association of Healing Rooms, the false healing movement, and the false prophetic, of which the Lord delivered me in 2008. It was during my research that I came upon Moriel and Jacob where I received help with some of the things I needed to understand. I believed him to be true to scripture, and even purchased a couple of his books, which unfortunately I found to be not so helpful.

I had been on first named basis with Tim Wirth and considered him a brother in the Lord and friend by way of internet contact though we had never personally met. Through personal messages through Facebook I asked Tim the question regarding women teachers, specifically if Jacob is against women teaching then what is his stance on women who expose false teachers on a public blog such as mine. This began a very long diatribe between us and one that Tim would not settle as he continued a banter with me for a good amount of time. I should still have these conversations in my archive.

What did come out of it is just as Mike described to you, even after I posed my question directly to the Moriel website, it went unanswered, and instead, I and my friend were compared to the likes of Joyce Myers and called names. We were horrified, and yet now understand this behavior is normal to the way Jacob operates.

I went public on my blog to expose this work, and shortly thereafter was contacted by numerous people, one of which was Deborah Menelaws. I remember our communication went on for several hours that day well into the night and for sometime after that. I had also been contacted via e-mail by a woman who had serious experiences with Jacob many years ago, a description  of events so serious that she stated nearly destroyed her personally as well as her ministry.

Since that time I have had numerous conversations with others regarding Jacob as many are either put off by his brash behavior and angry rants, or who tell similar stories of personal encounters with him. Despite the public exposure regarding my experiences I still see people endorse and follow him and have read comments from women who seem to fawn over him, nearly in a state of worship.

I am often accused of being the one who is in wrong, that I am interfering with the work of God in belittling my work in comparison to his, or that I should have done more to connect to Jacob on a personal level. No matter the excuse, people still refuse to see the truth.

My first article begins here – https://mkayla.wordpress.com/2016/07/13/an-encounter-with-a-madman-or-two/ and from there you will see the connection between myself, and my friends, Mike and Pat Rogers at https://closingstages.net/ and Treena Gisborn at bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/

I join with you all in agreement that Jacob needs to be held accountable for his crude and unkind behavior he so easily displays toward others, as to continue is to disparage not only brothers and  sisters in the Lord, but even more so, the work of the cross to which we are called to uphold in Christian love and truth. It is distressing that others who are considered leaders know of his behavior yet continue to work with him side by side as in acceptance and agreement with his inexcusable behavior.

And just as he is doing with David Nathan, as with others, he needs to be held accountable for his own false teaching that he is so quick to deliver including the videos posted to our blogs, edited by Tim Wirth.

I will be making a public address with this e-mail posted to my blog, again, in an attempt help others see truth and find healing, can have cc’d the Rogers and Treena in this e-mail as part of continued communication.

Please know that you are welcome to contact me. Thank you for your diligent work.
In Christ,
M’Kayla Kelly

I would like to remind my readers who may be in dissent. If James Jacob Prasch would stick to the word of God and actually obey the teachings regarding how believers are to talk to and treat each other, we would be in a much better place. We can disagree but we are called to do so in love and to bring scripture as proof. All of his arrogant ugliness does nothing but bring division, despair, and destroys the work of believers in bringing opportunities for salvation and discipling others.  It must stop and we all need to speak up.

WHO WILL DISCIPLINE JACOB PRASCH? BY LOUIS ERASMUS

Louis Erasmus speaks out about Jacob Prasch's scandalous lack of accountability. I am posting this in support of Louis, who is yet another example of a brother who has been badly maligned and abused by Prasch's infamous judgements upon others. My only reservation is that I cannot agree with Louis' assessment about the timing of the rapture and his hurtful remark about Joe Schimmel of Good Fight Ministries. I regard Joe Schimmel as an excellent teacher of God's Word.

FACT CHECKING JACOB PRASCH BY CLOSINGSTAGES

In 2016 Jacob Prasch endorsed Kay Arthur (1) whom by that time had already been deemed questionable, to say the least, due to her sharing the stage with many contemplative and emergent  leaders. (2)  All of which Jacob teaches against. Not to mention that Kay Arthur has joined with Beth Moore, not only sharing a platform (Deeper Still) (3) but even writing a book “Faithful, Abundant, True: Three Lives Going Deeper Still” (4). Now in 2018 he’s still endorsing her and in the same breath condemns Beth Moore and yet both of these women have been working together for sometime, sharing conferences and writing a book together!

In his “teaching” titled :Usurping Headship” (5) at the 52:13 mark:  Prasch states:

“you look at this, Joyce Meyer, Beth Moore, Cindy Jacobs, they’re all propagating false doctrine. All of them propagating false doctrine. Now there are women ministries that are valid, people like Kay Arthur, I have no problem with them. They teach women.”

How is it possible that Jacob can endorse someone who shares a platform and co-authors a book with a known false teacher “propagating false doctrine”, his own words? By the way the book was published in 2010 so it’s not like this was something that has happened recently and he just wasn’t aware. Does anyone, who allows him in their pulpits, fact check this man? Is he sending women off to contemplative prayer? The question then needs to be asked how can Jacob condemn Moore but endorse Arthur…isn’t it all leaven? How can two walk together unless they agree? (6) Who’s fact checking him?  Who’s protecting the sheep

This is a common trait of Prasch’s teachings once you start to really listen to him and check every thing he says, you start to see inconsistencies in facts and scriptures. More and more are finding the errors in his teachings and they spread much farther and deeper than just this example.

Double standards are most commonly seen as a decisive psychological tool used to defend one’s ego or subconscious from the shortcomings of one’s own set of values or contrasting principles.  Its similar to what Ephesians 4:14 teaches concerning “being tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine,” which shows the childish fickleness and the causes that lead to it.  In other words, Jacob Prasch “inwardly” is a very unstable man.

1. https://closingstages.net/2016/08/02/moriel-madness/
2. https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=11053
3. https://youtu.be/Wq6FvUU1DFg
4. https://www.goodreads.com/work/editions/13607305-faithful-abundant-true—bible-study-book-three-lives-going-deeper-still
5. https://youtu.be/mkyZa2iJZYs
6. Amos 3:3

CLOSINGSTAGES APPEALS TO THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SPIRITUALLY ABUSED BY MORIEL/JACOB PRASCH

https://closingstages.net/2018/12/19/we-too-have-contacted-catalyst-graham-baldwin-concerning-jacob-prasch-moriel/

We too have contacted Catalyst/Graham Baldwin concerning Jacob Prasch/Moriel

We are letting as many as we can know that we too have contacted Graham Baldwin. The spiritual abuse that has taken place over a long period of time and has gone unchecked has to be stopped. Many have suffered greatly and still are.

“If you have suffered in any way by your involvement with Jacob Prasch/Moriel Please contact our helpline in complete confidence.” 

catalysthelpline@gmail.com

We need to encourage, care and support each other. Praying for all who have suffered and are suffering, you’re not alone. If you have been or if you know of someone who has please share this information with them.

1 Corinthians 12:25-26

That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honored, all the members rejoice with it.

Ephesians 4:29
Let no unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building up the one in need and bringing grace to those who listen.

1Thessalonians 5:14-15

Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feeble-minded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.

See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.

Philippians 2:4

Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.

closingstages.net/2018/12/16/jacob-prasch-moriel-under-investigation-presented-by-graham-baldwin/

closingstages.net/2018/12/17/my-email-to-graham-baldwin-regarding-jacob-prasch-moriel-under-investigation-by-treena-gisborn/

MY EMAIL TO GRAHAM BALDWIN REGARDING JACOB PRASCH & MORIEL UNDER INVESTIGATION

Jacob Prasch & Moriel Under Investigation Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut1nn_2PKCk&t=12s

My email to Graham Baldwin of Catalyst Counselling:

Dear Graham

For the record, I would like to add my experience of Jacob Prasch to the information that you have submitted on YouTube. I do not feel that I need counselling or any other kind of help, but rather my aim is to expose this man as a false teacher and a reviler. (Ephesians 5:11; 1 Corinthians 5:11).

I began to question Jacob Prasch’s intra-seal theory back in 2015. Things soon began to turn very nasty after I decided that it would not be in my interests to meet Prasch in London to discuss intra-seal with him as Moriel had suggested. I began writing posts on my blog refuting intra-seal, and then later I published a short book on Amazon. I plan to add more to this book in due course and to publish it in paperback. https://www.amazon.co.uk/INTRA-SEAL-RAPTURE-DECEPTION-EXPOSED-devised-ebook/dp/B06X6N2JJT

When I responded to Prasch’s misogynist teaching on women – this was part of his response:

“The doctrinal ignorance reflected on these feminist blogs is unmistakably evident as is the fact that their feminist rants are fuelled by emotionally charged outbursts reflecting the demonic Jezebel spirit where the husbands submit to their wives in an abrogation of God's order..”
https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2016/07/jacob-prasch-moriel-ministries-gagging.htm

I have also been accused of acting “without a covering” by Prasch’s henchman, Joshua Chavez on Moriel TV FB page. This particular insult has since been taken down. Prasch has also called me an “ignoramus” elsewhere. I responded to Prasch’s teaching on women because I believe he has done great damage in that area, not only to myself, but to other women who are called to ministry. Prasch clearly construes anyone who questions his distorted teaching on women as a “Jezebel” who wants to rule over men. This is simply not the case at all.

Prasch’s teaching on women is very unbalanced, as my friends Pat and Mike have pointed out a number of times on closingstages.net.
https://closingstages.net/2016/08/05/to-many-heads-to-many-coverings-the-murky-teachings-of-jacob-prasch/

One particular friend who I shall not name has been very hurt and has backed away from the whole Prasch situation. She wrote to me recently:

“Late last winter I got hammered between 2 men for two weeks regarding my (our) experiences with JP as tho I was the one who misunderstood, was wrong, should look for reconciliation,..blah, blah. That was the last of it for me..”

God bless you
Treena Gisborn

Jacob Prasch & Moriel Under Investigation

Moriel's Response:

Announcement


A staged video clip falsely claiming that Moriel & Jacob Prasch are 'Under Investigation' is of course completely without foundation. Such fabrications are as untrue as they are malicious. We are able to confirm that neither Moriel or Jacob Prasch are under any investigation of any kind by any civil, governmental, or police authority for anything in any country or in any jurisdiction.


Moriel TV has already ceased commenting on the David Nathan issue and we have ceased responding to his proponents and defenders such as Deborah and Stuart Menelaws though do stand by the factual accuracy of what had been reported. We reject as hyperbolic nonsense the hideous demands of Graham Baldwin and the Menelaws framed in language that may legally constitute blackmail.


Moriel TV transmissions are produced, operated and administrated in the USA under the ownership of Moriel USA, which is legally and financially separate from Moriel UK. Our attorneys assure us our content is protected under First Amendment and Fair Use laws. The legal home and tax home of Jacob Prasch is in the USA although he is in other countries for interim periods (including the UK). He has no UK home, property lease, permanent address, or personal assets in the UK. Jacob Prasch moreover is not even on Social Media and is therefore in no position to 'e-stalk' or harass anyone.

As the ROKU financial report of Moriel shows, no wages for Jacob Prasch appear in the audits of Moriel UK because Jacob does not receive any, and all of our recorded materials are freely available at no cost on the Internet. We invite anyone to download any material of Moriel or Jacob Prasch free of charge, only requesting it not be edited or commercially sold. Giving it away is encouraged.

Emails sent by us in response to vitriolic attacks against Moriel Ministries and Jacob Prasch claimed to be abusive by Mr. Baldwin and the Menelaws have notably not been produced by them, essentially because read in context as such do not exist. They are merely replies to hostile attacks upon us including libelous allegations of mental illness. We have however, decline to reply to more recent emails by David Nathan and Deborah Menelaws who seem pointlessly intent to keeping this monster alive. All that needs to be established doctrinally and otherwise has been stated and re-stated already and we do not intend to be participants of this Christ dishonoring religious charade triggered by heresy and those who defend it. For us it has been over for some time already.

A detailed point by point response to this poorly contrived 'investigation' nonsense may be made available upon request to those known to us, but we have ended any further TV commenting on this David Nathan & Menelaws issue weeks ago. Others wishing to drag it out, will continue to be ignored. We have meanwhile thanked Bill Randles for his apologetic removal of a blog critical of Jacob.


Sincerely,


Moriel Board

DEBATE CANCELLED: JACOB PRASCH REFUSES TO MEET DAVID NATHAN IN THE UK

So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. (1 Peter 2:1).

To his disgrace, Jacob Prasch has chosen to post yet more derogatory remarks about David Nathan on Moriel TV's Facebook page, this time concerning the proposed debate between them: "After accepting the invitation of Bill Randles to debate, David Nathan backs down and runs away again". {1} Moriel TV have published only a fragment of what was communicated between Moriel, David Nathan, Bill Randles and others, once again giving their readers half truths and a very biased view of the real situation. Just like his eschatology, Prasch's version of truth differs significantly from reality!

David Nathan has published ALL the emails that have passed between the various parties concerning the proposed debate. This gives us the full picture, instead of Moriel's continuing accusations and half truths.

THE TRUTH: Jacob Prasch has refused to meet with David Nathan in the UK where he knows he will get a fair hearing:

https://www.bolm.co.za/index_htm_files/Why%20a%20Meeting%20never%20took%20place.%20The%20truth..pdf

{1} https://www.facebook.com/MorielTV/

DAVID NATHAN TO ENGAGE WITH JACOB PRASCH NEXT YEAR

As David Nathan is not on Facebook, he has asked a number of people to share the good news that he looks forward to engaging with James Jacob Prasch next year on neutral ground in England.
He wrote the following to Bill Randles:
Dear Bill

Thank you for getting all parties to agree to meet and resolve the issues that have arisen over the last few months. This can only bring correction and repentance were needed and most importantly, healing to the Church as a whole, something that I have desired from the very outset which is evidenced in all my responses to Jacob and Moriel.

Having reflected overnight on the proposed meeting, which I am absolutely committed to, I would like to recommend that the following be taken into consideration as it is I who have to defend myself according to both Titus 3:10 and in a sense 1 Timothy 5:19 against numerous accusations.

Firstly and most importantly, I would like the meeting to take place in the UK, at a central venue that Jacob approves of. This is not negotiable for me and should be agreeable for Jacob who is resident in the UK. Some of the reasons for this are;
- Both parties have a strong support base in the UK whereas only one has one in the USA.
- I am able to easily call witnesses to testify in the UK as many are based there. The monies Believers in Grace would save in paying our airfares and accommodation could be used for you to travel to the UK where you are greatly loved and respected.
- All the council members of CMFI are resident in the UK and they too have strongly urged their members to avoid me. I have the right to be addressed by them and be able to make a defence.
- There are numerous highly respected Greek and Hebrew scholars if required, some whom are well known to Jacob.
- If Jacob’s claims that I am a heretic are correct and to be avoided, then it must be before those where I have ministered most often for the protection of their churches.
Due to the numerous accusations that have been levelled against me by Jacob and others, I request that the meeting deal with each of the doctrinal concerns that have been raised over the last 4 to 5 months and not be limited to the two you initially suggested.
The accusation that I call myself an apostle needs to be addressed and dealt with too.
Jacob has mentioned in numerous emails that I have been “blacklisted” from numerous churches both in the UK, USA, Australia and South Africa. I request a letter from each of the churches he refers to, from the senior pastor, stating the reason why they no longer want me in their churches as I have a right to defend myself against these accusations also. For example, a letter from Steve Mitchell from FBC in Columbus Ohio stating the reasons why he as the senior pastor will never have me back based on what I have taught at his church. The reason for this is that some churches will not have me back because I they are cessationists or I taught against OSAS or they are strongly pre-trip in regards the Rapture, or a combination of all three. The reality that those ministers outside of the UK will probably not be able to attend, necessitates that their letters reach me (copies to all on this mailing list is suggested) well before the date of the meeting that I have the opportunity to give a rebuttal to their letters and receive a further response.
Finally, that the manner and spirit in which this whole affair has been dealt with be addressed and where parties have acted in a manner contrary to Scripture, they are held accountable.
I trust that the above, which I believe to be fair in light of all that has transpired, is acceptable to you.

Sincerely,

David Nathan

MIKE ROGERS CLOSINGSTAGES EXPOSES JACOB PRASCH

Mike Rogers of closingstages.net/ exposes Jacob Prasch's flawed correction of John MacArthur and the dangerous situation that arises when one false teacher corrects another.

A recurring tactic of Jacob Prasch is that he frequently attacks a particular false teacher giving valid scriptural arguments for his position. In his "righteous anger" he is incensed and offended ..how dare he teach such a terrible thing etc. When he has won over his hearers, he administers a lethal injection of his own false teaching, after which he reverts back to the false teaching of the person he is attacking. This clever ruse seems to work on the undiscerning. For those of us who are wise to it however, we recognise it for what it is.. spiritual deception!

This was precisely the pattern Prasch employed when he corrected John MacArthur's false teaching about the mark of the beast some time ago.

Prasch begins by pointing out MacArthur's grievous error about the mark of the beast. He then proceeds to uphold MacArthur's pre-trib error that the Holy Spirit is the Restrainer of 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7. Critically the scriptures do not identify the Restrainer! Pretribulationists generally believe erroneously that the tribulation is a seven year period. Prasch frequently vacillates between seven years and three and a half years. {1} Prasch teaches elsewhere that the Holy Spirit will not convict the world of sin or righteous and judgement for the entire seven year period of Daniel's 70th week. Again, depending on his whim, Prasch vacillates between the entire seven year period and the three and a half year period i.e. the period following the revelation of the Antichrist. (2 Thessalonians 2:3). Significantly, the scriptures only indicate that no-one will repent during the period of God's wrath following the rapture. (Revelation 9:20-21). The implication appears to be that during the outpouring of God's wrath, people will be given over to a reprobate mind and will be immune to the conviction of the Holy Spirit. (Romans 1:28 cf.1 Timothy 4:2).

Prasch continues: "The Antichrist comes to power. The Holy Spirit will not restrain.. He will not operate the way Jesus predicted He would in John's gospel convicting the world of sin, of righteousness and judgement. (John 16:8) Evil will not be restrained any more. "

Mike Rogers: "So Jacob says that Jesus didn't know all the ways the Holy Spirit operates.. or since the Holy Spirit will not operate the way that Jesus predicted He would in John's gospel.. if Jesus being one Person of the Trinity, and the Holy Spirit being one Person of the Trinity, how is it that Jesus could have missed the mark on how the Holy Spirit would operate in the world at the end of the age? Where does the scripture say that the operation of the Holy Spirit changes or ceases at the end of the age?

Mike goes on to challenge Prasch's theory that John 16:8 and 2 Thessalonians 2:7 are synonymous.

Over to Mike..

ERROR SIDE BY SIDE WITH ERROR

{1} https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2018/07/jacob-prasch-make-up-your-mind-how-long.html

JACOB PRASCH MORIEL MINISTRIES: WHO IS JOHN CAMBRIDGE?

The documents submitted by Moriel Ministries concerning David Nathan are rather mysterious as to their origin. They have been posted on a new website by an individual going by the name of John Cambridge under a nom-de-plume with the sole purpose of discrediting the ministry of David Nathan.

Moriel TV: "More and more people are coming out with their own studies and research exposing the false doctrine of David Nathan. Here is such a document:

'A Solution to Your Confusion: An Open Letter to David Nathan'
https://docs.wixstatic.com/…/ae0d2a_ee65166dca98475f9169d78…

'Baby Steps: A Guide to David Nathan'
https://docs.wixstatic.com/…/ae0d2a_6a3999b598f84f65ab5c4a2…

Video Discussed in the Letter (the version David has on his youtube channel is edited)
https://drive.google.com/open…

This individuals blog can be found here:
https://cambrjohn.wixsite.com/nathan

DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in these documents are those of the author’s and do not necessarily reflect the official position or opinion of Moriel Ministries." {1}

Jacob Prasch: "I've created a webpage as a repository for all your false teachings --excluding those already covered in this letter. See cambrjohn.wixsite.com/nathan." {1} This statement gave me the impression that Prasch was the author of these documents. However, I have since been informed by Amos Farrell, founder of Genesis Christian Radio, that it is an "editorial error".

Have we discovered the author of these documents after all?

"77 'John Cambridge' is a nom-de-plume. I’m using it because some people might otherwise choose to reject the points I make in this letter (even though truth is independent of the person bringing it) because of my past failings discussed in an earlier endnote."  {2}

Interestingly, bayith.org is cited no less than five times in the endnotes of the document - A Solution to Your Confusion: An Open Letter to David Nathan' : 8, 22, 37 and 69. {2} Bayith Ministries is run by Elizabeth McDonald and Dusty Peterson aka Neville John Rainier, the man who defrauded a number of Christians into buying a retreat from the coming tribulation on the island of Gozo, near Malta. {3} In fact Jacob Prasch issued a warning about Dusty Peterson/Neville on the 4th of March 2011: "We regard Mr. Peterson's survivalist eschatology as theologically and doctrinally bogus. Whether he actually subscribes to this cultic lunacy or is merely using it as a vehicle to approach targets for money we are not certain. However we view his financial antics as unethical and predatory.." {4}

Perhaps Jacob Prasch would like to clarify how five endnotes citing Peterson's website could possibly be promoted by Moriel - the clear implication being that Peterson actually wrote these documents?

In 2012, someone contacted online lawyers, justanswer.com for advice:

"A well-known "Christian" writer has borrowed about 20,000 euros from each of his victims and left his rents unpaid. He himself is a UK citizen and his victims are all over the world. He gives promises and dates when he should pay, but it has not happened. He was due to pay finally all his loans for one year ago, but has not paid. He said first that he was out of money because he had bought a house in Malta. But it was a lie - he has not bought it even today. Recently he wrote to one of his victims that he has lost the house, because he couldn't pay it fully. Now he says he has lost our money - ?50,000 euros, his own inheritance from his mother and investments from some of his victims....
He went on to say: I live in Finland and have to wait the prime victim, who is a British citizen to go to the police again with all "the new information" the conman has sent. He is probably a psychpath so that he lies, lies and lies. He has no sense of right or erong and accuses his victims instead. His victims are believers and he asks them if they had prayed about lending money to him. If they answer yes, he says: OK, it's God's will then (that they do not get their money back) if they answer: No, he says it's the victims' fault that they lost their money.
His (Dusty Peterson aka Neville John Rainier) victims are his readers (books, articles etc.)
There are two warnings about him on the internet." {5}

A comment on lamblion.us in 2011:

"WARNING to Post-trib and Pre-Wrath Brethren about ‘DUSTY PETERSON’ who has defrauded frightened Christians into buying a retreat from the coming Tribulation on the island of Gozo, near Malta.

By Scripture twisting, he preys upon the fears and sympathy of the Christians he deceives. This man is a work shy, out and out conman. One example:

'…she paid two instalments of Rainier's rent (which he didn't pass on to the landlord!) on the CAMBRIDGE house where he overstayed his welcome by about two years. Here's what she did: 'I actually paid his rent on two occasions (2 x £630). .......he said that he'd be homeless if he couldn't meet the rent, and I felt it my Christian duty to help him. Of course, looking back, I can see that it was an unwise decision to lend him the money. I had no idea until now that there was so much trouble regarding the Landlords.....that he owes them over £11,000!'

The case against this fraudster is growing, so be cautioned against ‘lending’ him money for rent to prevent homelessness. He will make repeated promises to repay with a great deal of extra ‘luvly’ money as a ‘sweetener’. You will not see your money again. Many have felt pity for him to the tune of many thousands of £’s that he will not repay. His real name is: NEVILLE JOHN RAINER. A.k.a DUSTY PETERSON." {6}

It is important that these accusations against David Nathan are put forward by a person of integrity and of good standing in the Lord. I expressed my concern about the unknown author to Amos Farrell last night.

Farrell: "Why are you concerned about who he is and not what he says, 'Curious and curiouser' said Alice good night Treena you are focusing on the wrong thing." Farrell went on to accuse me of being "fixated". This conversation was quickly deleted from FB, although I have a record.

Mr Farrell may not be concerned about the integrity of the person who wrote these documents, but others, including myself, most certainly are concerned.

I also expressed to Amos Farrell my further concern that whilst various people are taking pains to tear David Nathan to shreds, no one is focusing on the false teaching of Jacob Prasch apart from myself. This is incredible considering the serious nature of Prasch's phony eschatology. Is the denial of the Holy Spirit during the 70th week of Daniel not a serious issue?

John Cambridge to Mike Rogers of closingstages.net/ (with permission)

Mike, thank you for your response to my letter. I am sorry you seem to have missed so much that was in it…
1) “What seems to be lacking, … is a sit down with David Nathan”. But surely the letter proves that David Nathan is a false brother? Why would anyone want to “settle the issues and reconcile” with a false brother?
2) “You assume and “guess” much about what Moriel/Prasch may or may not be thinking, which only slants your letter more that lends credibility to it.” The assumptions about Moriel in the letter are merely a tool with which to give the letter a thread or a ‘spine’. The point is, again, that David Nathan is a false brother (Prasch was the first person I’m aware of who went public with that information). And the fact that Nathan is a false brother explains a lot of the otherwise-very-unreasonable-looking behaviour by Moriel staff.
3) “you are quick to … paint him and many of his videos with the same brush as Prasch and Moriel”. This is simply not true. As the letter states, I tried to think the best of him for months. And I point people to plenty of reasons to question his teachings, methods and ‘repentance’. I fear it is you who are being quick to judge.
4) The phrase “spiritual DNA” was simply a way to add a little colour to the letter and to get across the fact that Nathan is inherently false and nothing he can do will ever change that. Are you not clutching at straws to make such a big thing of it?
Anyway, sincere thanks for your feedback. It is good to know that you were unable to actually fault anything in the meat of the letter, even though you would apparently have loved to have been able to.

Mike Rogers on December 5, 2018 at 5:22 pm

Here’s just a few bullets of quotes, comments and concerns:
• While the scriptural reproof of being “slain in the spirit”, “transferable” and the “control of the Spirit” is text book in its rebuke (although I do question a few things, now is not the time or topic). What seems to be lacking, again is a sit down with David Nathan and Jacob Prasch to settle the issues and reconcile. How is it that the drum keeps being beat on what David Nathan has said and taught in these videos? You are in essence just repeating the same thing that has been said over and over and over by many and in particular Jacob Prasch who REFUSES to meet with David. Any of us coming out of Charismaina/Word Faith know full well the error. Does anybody else see Jacob Prasch’s error in his refusal and at the what cost to the sheep?
• In the letter you state that “I believe the answers to these three questions will, together, provide the key to the mystery of why Moriel staff are now treating you the way they are.”

Not sure how familiar you are with Moriel/Jacob Prasch ; but his treatment and behavior anytime he feels threatened or gets a “bee in his bonnet” for whatever reason has always been brutish, vicious and extreme. So much so that he appears many times to be in need of medication. This is NOT meant to be a slam, this is very serious, as he has gone unchecked for quite some time.
• You say, “My guess is that your errors caused someone at Moriel to become suspicious and to examine your video more closely to try to determine whether your misleading material is accidental or deliberate__i.e. to find out what is in your spiritual “DNA”.
. You assume and “guess” much about what Moriel/Prasch may or may not be thinking, which only slants your letter more that lends credibility to it.

• You say; “You will probably now claim to no longer believe the doctrines discussed above, even though you only approved this video a few weeks ago — as if you’ve never, over the whole of the last quarter of a *century*, come across sound teaching on this topic until today.73 But what about the ungodly *techniques* you use? This is hardly the only video of yours displaying these techniques. I admit I am relatively new to your ministry, but *all* of the videos I have watched of yours display this selfsame pattern of: abusing and undermining Scripture; encouraging irreverence towards God; demoting Christ; and stealthily pushing the core beliefs of the Word of Faith movement — apparently without the Lord EVER chastising you for ANY of it.”
You say David Nathan “will probably claim to no longer believe the doctrines discussed” and then you are quick to dismiss this probability and paint him and many of his videos with the same brush as Prasch and Moriel. YET you don’t afford the readers of this open letter the same advantage to yourself as you don’t use your correct name and make reference to some sin that you have apparently repented of but still feel the need to hide. And yet you want us to accept your acknowledgement and repentance of some “sin” ‘through ignorance”, blindly take your explanation on it with no way to test or try it and you don’t use your real name.
• Endnote:(40) Some years ago, largely through ignorance (Hos. 4:6a), I committed the sin of presumption. I foolishly believed I was capable of handling a certain practical, end-time project without recourse to the Lord. As a result, the Lord put me in a really tight spot — one I genuinely considered to be a life-or-death matter not just for me but for other folks too — and I saw no choice but to take some relatively extreme measures to rescue the situation. I have since repented humbly and very deeply of all this and, just as soon as the Lord enables it, I will make appropriate restitution to the four other people who unfortunately got caught up in my delusion. Due to my sin, I have been ostracized by many believers, but I do ask the saints to remember Galatians 6:1. I also ask them to consider King David. He too committed a serious sin (in his case, adultery) and as a result, the Lord put him in a really tight spot where he saw no choice but to take some extreme measures to rescue the situation (even including *murder*, which is certainly quite a lot more serious than anything I did). Yet we do not continue to reject him after he repented.
• Also, the buzz word on identifying David Nathan’s “spiritual DNA” is somewhat disconcerting would you please connect the scriptural dots for this?
• What is Spiritual DNA?
https://www.thebereancall.org/content/tbc-extra-0
• Quotes from the article: “In what appears to be a sincere effort to expound on the Scriptures, which declare “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new” (2 Cor:5:17), the writer introduces an authoritative, scientific-sounding concept that has no tangible or biblical basis. This error is serious! Just as do mind-science “experts” (such as those in The Secret), he attempts to take what is useful and understood as physical and apply it “scientifically” to the spiritual realm; but “spiritual DNA,” like “thought waves,” are only imagined. Would that all Christians test the spirits that bring such “new revelations” as this!

An article titled “DNA and God” by Bill Donahue reflects on a 2004 Time magazine in which the cover story, “The God Gene,” recounts a search by laboratories to find “spiritual receptors” in physical DNA. Intrigued by “the fact that change can be made to DNA through electricity,” and since “God is not a man” (Num:23:19
), and “God is light” (1 Jn:1:5
), Donahue (a researcher of “hidden ancient wisdom”) reasons that”
• “…we are created in the image and likeness of God suggesting that we too are light….DNA has two aspects to it. One is the physical DNA which the body we use is equipped with through the heredity of our parents. The other is what the Buddhists suggest is a spiritual DNA….That is why I have such strong feelings against executing people. Their spiritual DNA will go into a new body…and do the same evil again.”
• “Notice that both professing Christians and metaphysical spiritualists attempt to explain invisible, intangible spiritual processes with scientific research, supposedly backed up by Scripture. Today, this error is being perpetuated at an increasing rate by two “evangelical” movements, the neo-prophetic “New Apostolic Reformation” (NAR) and the Emerging Church. An NAR prophet, Bob Jones, (no relation to the University of that name) and Paul Keith Davis, who annually issue a “prophetic” proclamation called “The Shepherd’s Rod,” wrote in 2006:”ers to these three questions will, together, provide the key to the mystery of why Moriel staff are now treating you the way they are.”

Not sure how familiar you are with Moriel/Jacob Prasch ; but his treatment and behavior anytime he feels threatened or gets a “bee in his bonnet” for whatever reason has always been brutish, vicious and extreme. So much so that he appears many times to be in need of medication. This is NOT meant to be a slam, this is very serious, as he has gone unchecked for quite some time.
• You say, “My guess is that your errors caused someone at Moriel to become suspicious and to examine your video more closely to try to determine whether your misleading material is accidental or deliberate__i.e. to find out what is in your spiritual “DNA”.
. You assume and “guess” much about what Moriel/Prasch may or may not be thinking, which only slants your letter more that lends credibility to it.

• You say; “You will probably now claim to no longer believe the doctrines discussed above, even though you only approved this video a few weeks ago — as if you’ve never, over the whole of the last quarter of a *century*, come across sound teaching on this topic until today.73 But what about the ungodly *techniques* you use? This is hardly the only video of yours displaying these techniques. I admit I am relatively new to your ministry, but *all* of the videos I have watched of yours display this selfsame pattern of: abusing and undermining Scripture; encouraging irreverence towards God; demoting Christ; and stealthily pushing the core beliefs of the Word of Faith movement — apparently without the Lord EVER chastising you for ANY of it.”
You say David Nathan “will probably claim to no longer believe the doctrines discussed” and then you are quick to dismiss this probability and paint him and many of his videos with the same brush as Prasch and Moriel. YET you don’t afford the readers of this open letter the same advantage to yourself as you don’t use your correct name and make reference to some sin that you have apparently repented of but still feel the need to hide. And yet you want us to accept your acknowledgement and repentance of some “sin” ‘through ignorance”, blindly take your explanation on it with no way to test or try it and you don’t use your real name.
• Endnote:(40) Some years ago, largely through ignorance (Hos. 4:6a), I committed the sin of presumption. I foolishly believed I was capable of handling a certain practical, end-time project without recourse to the Lord. As a result, the Lord put me in a really tight spot — one I genuinely considered to be a life-or-death matter not just for me but for other folks too — and I saw no choice but to take some relatively extreme measures to rescue the situation. I have since repented humbly and very deeply of all this and, just as soon as the Lord enables it, I will make appropriate restitution to the four other people who unfortunately got caught up in my delusion. Due to my sin, I have been ostracized by many believers, but I do ask the saints to remember Galatians 6:1. I also ask them to consider King David. He too committed a serious sin (in his case, adultery) and as a result, the Lord put him in a really tight spot where he saw no choice but to take some extreme measures to rescue the situation (even including *murder*, which is certainly quite a lot more serious than anything I did). Yet we do not continue to reject him after he repented.
• Also, the buzz word on identifying David Nathan’s “spiritual DNA” is somewhat disconcerting would you please connect the scriptural dots for this?
• What is Spiritual DNA?
https://www.thebereancall.org/content/tbc-extra-0
• Quotes from the article: “In what appears to be a sincere effort to expound on the Scriptures, which declare “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new” (2 Cor:5:17), the writer introduces an authoritative, scientific-sounding concept that has no tangible or biblical basis. This error is serious! Just as do mind-science “experts” (such as those in The Secret), he attempts to take what is useful and understood as physical and apply it “scientifically” to the spiritual realm; but “spiritual DNA,” like “thought waves,” are only imagined. Would that all Christians test the spirits that bring such “new revelations” as this!

An article titled “DNA and God” by Bill Donahue reflects on a 2004 Time magazine in which the cover story, “The God Gene,” recounts a search by laboratories to find “spiritual receptors” in physical DNA. Intrigued by “the fact that change can be made to DNA through electricity,” and since “God is not a man” (Num:23:19
), and “God is light” (1 Jn:1:5
), Donahue (a researcher of “hidden ancient wisdom”) reasons that”
• “…we are created in the image and likeness of God suggesting that we too are light….DNA has two aspects to it. One is the physical DNA which the body we use is equipped with through the heredity of our parents. The other is what the Buddhists suggest is a spiritual DNA….That is why I have such strong feelings against executing people. Their spiritual DNA will go into a new body…and do the same evil again.”

• “Notice that both professing Christians and metaphysical spiritualists attempt to explain invisible, intangible spiritual processes with scientific research, supposedly backed up by Scripture. Today, this error is being perpetuated at an increasing rate by two “evangelical” movements, the neo-prophetic “New Apostolic Reformation” (NAR) and the Emerging Church. An NAR prophet, Bob Jones, (no relation to the University of that name) and Paul Keith Davis, who annually issue a “prophetic” proclamation called “The Shepherd’s Rod,” wrote in 2006:”

John Cambridge aka Dusty Peterson/Neville John Rainier

David Nathan: Addressing BOLM in Regards to Jacob Prasch's Videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2TnH52Rmu0&feature=youtu.be

{1} https://www.moriel.org/articles-and-news/7143-a-solution-to-your-confusion-an-open-letter-to-david-nathan-dec-6,-2018.html?fbclid=IwAR3CVOPigGXdKMC7_Lb_w2PT3ma3HsYlCPxiqYMYzyIVBiUxSFgMplbiB-0

{2}https://www.moriel.org/articles-and-news/7143-a-solution-to-your-confusion-an-open-letter-to-david-nathan-dec-6,-2018.html
{3} http://prophecyupdate.blogspot.com/2011/07/in-news_18.html
{4} https://www.moriel.org/component/k2/item/1454-warning-to-our-readers.html?ml=1
{5} https://www.justanswer.com/uk-law/6rmt2-well-known-christian-writer-borrowed-20-000-euros.html
{6} http://www.lamblion.us/2011/07/twelve-signs-of-end-times-apostasy.html

DAVID NATHAN: ADDRESSING BOLM IN REGARDS TO JACOB PRASCH

Bill Randles.. To My Dear Friend...
https://billrandles.wordpress.com/2018/12/07/to-my-dear-friend/

BILL RANDLES BLOG - THE MENELAWS ARE MY FRIENDS

Posted by Bill Randles on December 1, 2018

by billrandles

"As my readers know, I have been involved in the ongoing debate concerning certain statements made by David Nathan which I and many others consider to be heretical. I have tried to help clear up any misunderstandings wherever I felt I could, as well as attempting to be fair and give the benefit of the doubt wherever possible.

Contrary to the opinions of a good many I have always maintained that I do not agree with the way people are being spoken of and treated in this debate by Jacob and certain Moriel reps. I have just tried to avoid going there, seeing the doctrinal issues of primary concern. Everyone knows that public relations aren’t Moriel’s strong point, but this goes too far.

However As this debate has shifted into a discussion of the Motives and actions of Stewart and Debbie Menelaws, I am forced to have to distance myself. I cannot stand by as they are portrayed as greedy, self serving, and even heretical, 

I have always maintained that Stewart’s interview with David was inadequate, failing to ask the specific questions that would have either allowed David to clear up the concerns raised or would have forced him to be specific in what he believes.

But I have attributed to Stewart the best of motives in it knowing him to be a peace loving brother trying to help a bad situation.

Even when Stewart posted the small excerpt from the Q/A at my church, but didn’t include the previous segment of teaching by David which we all objected to, I didn’t and do not attribute dishonesty to Stewart in that. God alone knows the secrets of men’s hearts.

This has been a painful situation to the body of Christ, a tragedy!

I simply have to draw the line when the Menelaws are portrayed by a cheap shot cut and paste of a picture surrounded by hundred dollar bills. I am all for debate and discussion, but not character assassination. I know the Menelaws, and have been a guest in their house, they live simply, and seek to promote the gospel. 

Furthermore it is unconscionable to post pictures equating the Menelaws with Jim and Tammy and the Crouch’s, they just aren’t in that category.

Many have sought to pressure me to take a side in this debate and have taunted me and challenged me to be even in my input, as if I am some kind of a referee at a prizefight. I am not taking sides, my side is with the Body of Christ, and the cause of truth,  I am not a partisan for any other side. My concern has been doctrinal, others can discuss politeness or the lack thereof, God didn’t call me to be the umpire.

But I don’t think the Menelaws merit being represented this way, I think I know them,  they, like the rest of us are trying to process this mess in the best way they can and need lots of prayer, as does the body of Christ.

In Jesus name, pas bill randles."

https://billrandles.wordpress.com/2018/12/01/the-menelaws-are-my-friends/

The original Moriel video depicting the Menelaws as money grabbers by surrounding them with dollar bills has been taken down, edited and replaced with no explanation. As always, it is very necessary to expose the evidence of Prasch's duplicity. I have obtained a screenshot of the original from Google Images: