THE LATEST "PROPHETIC WORD" TO BRITAIN BY DAVID NOAKES: CAN A TRUE PROPHET OF GOD BE ECUMENICAL?

Word of Prophecy Received by David Noakes 
In the aftermath of the Brexit vote 11th September 2016
http://prophecytoday.uk/comment/editorial/item/496-a-prophetic-word-to-britain.html

David Noakes is known in certain circles as a "prophetic voice" in the UK. His first person "Thus saith the Lord" prophecies are accepted by a number of Christians in the UK. Despite all outward appearances of sincerity and truth, the fly in the ointment is that Noakes has his fingers in many ecumenical pies. I recently demonstrated this in my previous article condemning Jacob Prasch's (Moriel Ministries) irresponsible endorsement of Noakes as a valid prophetic voice.{1} Prasch's dubious endorsement of Noakes, has, I believe, misled a number of Christians into receiving Noakes "ministry" and "words of prophecy" as genuine. I would argue that this is not at all the case for reasons which are very obvious.

About David Noakes

The significant factor in David Noakes "ministry" appears to be that he and Clifford Hill (Issachar Ministries) have been friends and close associates for more than 30 years. According to saltshakers.com{2} Noakes practised as a solicitor until 1975 when he claims that he was called into "full time ministry". From 1985 until 1991 he worked with Clifford Hill and became the leader of Prophetic Word Ministries (PWM) where he subsequently became a Trustee. Noakes was a visiting teacher for Ellel Ministries for a number of years. He is a Trustee, and was previously Chairman of the Board of Hatikvah Film Trust, whose stated objective is: ".....to foster an understanding in the Church of the Hebraic roots of the Christian faith as well as the place of the nation of Israel and the Jewish people, from both a Biblical and historical perspective, in the purposes of God. A related objective is to counter anti-Semitism.produce film documentaries designed to make known Biblical truth concerning the Jewish people and the Land of Israel."{3}

Issachar Ministries, Prophetic Word Ministries (PWM), CandM Ministries, the Centre for Contemporary Ministry (CMM) and Harvest Vision are quite a complex web of inter-connected organisations based at Moggerhanger Hall in Bedfordshire which is ecumenical. Noakes is an advisor to Issachar Ministries which previously operated under the umbrella of PWM and he was a director of Harvest Vision until 30th November 2000. Miguel Hayworth of UK Apologetics Library has exposed the ecumenical connections of Hill and Noakes in detail and he warns: " .....we need to bring this to light put into question the ministry of Clifford Hill and David Noakes and not accept at face value of CCM, ISSACHAR Ministries, Moggerhanger House, etc."{4}

Another of Clifford Hill's "friends" is former Archbishop and Druid, Rowan Williams.

Clifford Hill and his wife with former Archbishop and Druid Rowan Williams

The Confusion of Clifford Hill

Clifford Hill was the founding editor and is currently Editor in Chief of the Christian magazine Prophecy Today. In common with Noakes, Hill also claims to be a "prophetic voice" in the UK.{5}   

On the one hand Hill warns about the state of the nation etc. and on the other, he holds hands with apostates!  He seems to be quite adept at vacillating between two opinions and giving "yes and no" responses (James 1:8 cf. 1 Corinthians 14:8). He was originally wary of the so called "Toronto Blessing", and then for some inexplicable reason he attended the "Waves of the Spirit" conference held in the UK, 1996, and enthused over John Arnott (Toronto Airport Church). Of course, in doing so he put his seal of approval on the "Toronto Blessing" itself.  

Clifford Hill: "Bob Jones claims to have special powers of 'divination' which operate through his fingers and other senses...another occult experience.  He told Hill to stand and to raise both hands. Remarkably, Hill did as he was told! Jones then put his fingers against Hill's fingers, and told him that he would feel a 'transmission of energy'. Hill was then to tell Jones which finger was shaking.  Hill said 'I, meanwhile, was praying for the whole armour of God to protect me.'" {6} 

Excerpts from Breaking The Mould by Clifford Hill: Prophecy Today Nov/Dec 1997 can be found on the link below.{7}

Issachar Comments Papers
Expounding biblical concepts on the world scene today
SAVING THE CHURCH
Francis and Justin
"Great expectations surround the appointment of new leaders to the two largest Christian churches. A new Pope to lead the worldwide Roman Catholic Church and a new Archbishop of Canterbury to lead the worldwide Anglican Communion is giving hope to millions of Christians that this may be a turning point in history. For half a century the churches have been in decline throughout the Western nations, battling against the onslaught of secularism from outside and the growth of corrupting forces from inside." {8}

Clifford Hill is misguided and confused if he genuinely thinks that anything good can possibly come out of Roman Catholicism or the backslidden CofE. Rome teaches a different gospel based on sacraments and not on faith alone. (Galatians 1:6). God calls his people OUT of false churches and apostate situations. What communion hath light with darkness? (2 Corinthians 6:15-16; Revelation 18:4). Nothing good will come out of Rome or her harlot daughters (MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH). (Revelation 17:16).

Word of Prophecy Received by David Noakes September 2016
Clifford Hill and David Noakes jointly bring a message

Noakes' "prophecy" and Hill's associated message can be viewed on the link at the beginning of this post.

As with his previous "prophecies", this latest "word" from Noakes is innocuous. I would expect to hear something like this from a fortune teller who says what their client wants to hear. Suspiciously, the prophecy gives what I believe is false hope to Britain. Considering the backslidden state of the churches here in the UK, I do not believe that a positive message of hope is at all appropriate! Noakes also throws in the often repeated revival mantra for good measure.

Noakes: ".....You in Britain are like the good figs who were taken into exile before judgment fell (Jeremiah 24). 

There will be great darkness and upheaval in the European institution; but I have done this in your nation at this time in order to preserve you.

Therefore, look up and be greatly encouraged, because out of this time of turmoil and upheaval will come great opportunity. Those of you who are committed to me I will uphold, I will protect, and I will send upon you a new outpouring of My Spirit, that you may speak My word in Spirit and in Truth; and My Spirit will bear witness to it and it shall bring forth fruit.

I do not say that your whole nation will turn to Me, for that will not be the case; but beloved, I will bring multitudes into a valley of decision and many will turn to Me, for despite the apostasy which has gripped the nation, I have not failed to love the nation of Britain, and in My grace and mercy, I will continue to pour My love upon you, even though you have angered Me greatly.

Take heart, be encouraged and look up. I will walk with you through the time of turmoil and upheaval....."

Are "good figs" ecumenical? (Jeremiah 24:1-10). The churches in Britain are critically backslidden. Britain has no more reason than Europe to be specially "preserved" by the Lord.

They have healed the wound of my people lightly, saying, ‘Peace, peace,’ when there is no peace. (Jeremiah 8:11) The "wound of my people" is of course ecumenism - a festering sore that cannot be healed, except through repentance. Hill and Noakes, rather than warning about ecumenism, are at the very epicenter of it! There will be no revival unless the church turns to the teachings (doctrine) of Jesus Christ. The ecumenical movement operates through the spirit of Antichrist and is diametrically opposed to Jesus' teachings!

The false prophet Hananiah prophesied "peace" falsely. There are very dark days ahead for the whole world, including Britain and her ecumenical apostates.

Jeremiah the prophet:

Amen! May the Lord do so; may the Lord make the words that you have prophesied come true, and bring back to this place from Babylon the vessels of the house of the Lord, and all the exiles. Yet hear now this word that I speak in your hearing and in the hearing of all the people. The prophets who preceded you and me from ancient times prophesied war, famine, and pestilence against many countries and great kingdoms. As for the prophet who prophesies peace, when the word of that prophet comes to pass, then it will be known that the Lord has truly sent the prophet. (Jeremiah 28:6-9)

Perhaps the response to Noakes latest "prophetic word" should go pretty much along the same lines as Jeremiah's response to Hananiah:

Amen! May the Lord do so; may the Lord make the words that you have prophesied come true, 
{{and may the Lord send upon Britain a new outpouring of His Spirit and bring multitudes into a valley of decision - may many people turn to Him..... }}
The prophets who preceded you and me from ancient times prophesied war, famine, and pestilence against many countries and great kingdoms. As for the prophet who prophesies peace, when the word of that prophet comes to pass, then it will be known that the Lord has truly sent the prophet.

Being a false prophet is a risky business: 

Then the prophet Hananiah took the yoke-bars from the neck of Jeremiah the prophet and broke them. And Hananiah spoke in the presence of all the people, saying, “Thus says the Lord: Even so will I break the yoke of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon from the neck of all the nations within two years.” But Jeremiah the prophet went his way.

Sometime after the prophet Hananiah had broken the yoke-bars from off the neck of Jeremiah the prophet, the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah: “Go, tell Hananiah, ‘Thus says the Lord: You have broken wooden bars, but you have made in their place bars of iron. For thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: I have put upon the neck of all these nations an iron yoke to serve Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and they shall serve him, for I have given to him even the beasts of the field.’”And Jeremiah the prophet said to the prophet Hananiah, “Listen, Hananiah, the Lord has not sent you, and you have made this people trust in a lie. Therefore thus says the Lord: ‘Behold, I will remove you from the face of the earth. This year you shall die, because you have uttered rebellion against the Lord.’”

In that same year, in the seventh month, the prophet Hananiah died. (Jeremiah 28:10-17)

Nebuchadnezzar is of course a type of the Antichrist to come. What is presently taking place in the churches is a prelude to full blown apostasia (falling away). God's Word has been all but abandoned in favour of a false "unity" which embraces other religions. The churches are being set up for the disastrous strong delusion of the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:11). 

God's Condemnation of Lying Prophets: Jeremiah 23:10-32 

10For the land is full of adulterers; for because of swearing the land mourneth; the pleasant places of the wilderness are dried up, and their course is evil, and their force is not right.

11For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the LORD.

12Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery ways in the darkness: they shall be driven on, and fall therein: for I will bring evil upon them, even the year of their visitation, saith the LORD.

13And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err.

14I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.

15Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land.

16Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.

17They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.

18For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?

19Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.

20The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.

21I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.

22But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.

23Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?

24Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.

25I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed. 26How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; 27Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal. 28The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD. 29Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? 30Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. 31Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. 32Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD. 


False prophet Clifford Hill prophesied "revival" in 2008 at the Excel Centre in London:  "There will be a move of God within four years, by the time the Olympics come to London."

{1} http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2016/09/jacob-prasch-moriel-ministries-further.html 
{2} http://saltshakers.com/main/kesherweb/david-noakes

{3} http://www.hatikvahfilms.com/
(4) http://ukapologeticslibrary.net/ecumenists-clifford-hill-david-noakes-moggerhanger-park/ 
{5} http://www.prophecytoday.uk/comment/editorial.html  
{6}  http://www.christiandoctrine.net/doctrine/articles/article_00093_the_kansas_city_prophets_web.htm 
{7}http://bibleman.fr.yuku.com/topic/112/Clifford-Hill-Update-Vinyard-issues#.V8Qfrq1y7IU  
{8} http://www.issacharministries.co.uk/images/april2013.pdf 

Further Links
http://prophecytoday.uk/study/prophetic-insights/item/380-a-prophecy-given-by-david-noakes,-november-2015.html 
http://www.banner.org.uk/news/old%20dox/noakes.html   
https://www.moriel.org/component/k2/item/2629-prophecy-from-david-noakes.html
David Noakes/CCM connection with ecumenical Hope Together: 
http://ukapologeticslibrary.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/ccmissicar-1.jpg
http://www.hopetogether.org.uk/Articles/269548/HOPE_appoints_Jesus.aspx 
http://www.hopetogether.org.uk/Articles/207937/Pastor_Yemi_Adedeji.aspx

King Nebuchadnezzar a "type" of Antichrist - to come:

http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=30619&forum=36
http://www.torchtrust.org/downloads/autoarchive/Christian%20Today%20Digest%20-%20Spring%202009.html
http://www.cte.org.uk/Groups/261700/Home/Resources/Pentecostal_and_Multicultural/Papers/Papers.aspx 
http://www.cte.org.uk/Groups/234775/Home/Contacts/Theological_Training/Theological_Training.aspx
http://www.moggerhangerpark.com/pg/the-story
https://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/2002291/princess-elizabeth-is-invested-as-honorary-ovate-of-the-gorsedd-of-the-bards-of 
http://www.druidry.org/druid-way/what-druidry/what-druidism/what-ovate
http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/gods-plan-of-salvation-through-jesus.html 
http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2016/09/a-new-outreach-connecting-outside-camp.html

TRINITY LIFE CHURCH LEICESTER AND OPEN HANDS: THE EMPTINESS OF WORLDLY ACCOLADES

You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. (James 4:4)

Open Hands Trust was established in 2006 by Trinity Life Church (TLC) in Highfields Leicester, an Assemblies of God Pentecostal denomination. In May 2009, Open Hands opened a Compassion Centre in a nearby converted garage.{1} Four years later, in 2013, they received a huge boost to their finances (£446,626), as part of the lottery's Reaching Communities project, Shelter Housing Aid and Research Leicester (Sharp).

Helping disadvantaged people is of course biblical. (Luke 12:33-34). However, in the past, I have questioned the WAY in which the leaders TLC have gone about their so called charitable deeds. With grants, gifts etc. there is little personal cost or risk to the leaders who run Open Hands more as a business than a charity. A few years ago, I expressed concerns about the problematic ethical implications of TLC's lottery grant being due to the proceeds of gambling. (2 Peter 2/2). Not least of course, a requirement of receiving lottery funding was that TLC must DEMONSTRABLY “believe and abide by” secular equality values. Such an undertaking was at complete variance with the scriptures!{2} Open Hands seem to have gone from strength to strength in worldly terms, and they have expanded dramatically since they received their thirty pieces of silver. (Zechariah 11:12; Matthew 26:15, 27:9).

Earlier this year, Open Hands Trust received the Queen's Award for Voluntary Service. It would be very interesting to know who actually nominated Open Hands for this award. I have in fact asked the question, but apparently this nformation cannot be released due to data protection laws!{3} The word "cronyism" is certainly not an alien concept to TLC, as graphically evidenced by David Hind, their pastor, and also their former director and trustee, Adam Simmonds, during his period as PCC of Northamptonshire!{4} Why are TCL wasting their time chasing after worldly gain and honours? (Philippians 3:19).

TLC's infamous 6 Degrees Coffee House also joined in with the award celebrations with their "Queen's award cake". This coffee house is yet another troubling TLC anomaly.  Is anyone else wondering about TLC's occult logo and the three sixes in plain sight on the front of their coffee house? (Revelation 13:18). {5} 6 Degrees has strong associations with Satanism and the Temple of Set - it is anything but Christian!

Let us be honest for a few minutes shall we?

Before we all get too excited, and when David Hind and TLC have finished fawning over "Her Majesty", perhaps we should remember that amongst other things, this is the woman who signed the Abortion Act in 1967 and the Equal Marriages Act in 2013. One might wonder about TLC's motives in flattering the Queen, when in the process they turn a blind eye to things which they should abhor: loving the praise of men more than the praise of God. (John 12:43; cf. Romans 16:18. With flattering lips and with a double heart they speak. May the LORD cut off all flattering lips, The tongue that speaks great things; (Psalm 12:2-3; cf. Psalm 5:9; Psalm 55:20-21; Psalm 62:4) 

I am reminded of King Baudouin of Belgium, who stated in 1990 that he could not sign into law a bill permitting abortion without violating his conscience. "In April 1990 Baudouin 'abdicated' for a day, rather than sign a government bill liberalising the law on abortion. 'Does freedom of conscience apply to everyone except the King?' Baudouin asked with uncharacteristic public emotion in a letter to parliament."{6}

"When the Queen signed the Royal Assent for the Equal Marriages Act, allowing gay people to marry for the first time, she put it down and said ‘Well, who’d have thought 62 years ago when I came to the throne, I’d be signing something like this? Isn’t it wonderful?’”{7}

There are many theories about the Royal Family and their various Luciferian associations on the Internet. I do not know, and I do not want to know, what these people do in secret. (Ephesians 5:12). However, it is a stretch too far, and we simply cannot swallow the lie that the Queen is a true Christian when we are in possession certain indisputable facts. For instance, antithetical to true faith in Jesus Christ, the Queen became initiated into the Druids in 1946. These are the kind of activities that anyone professing "biblical faith" should be ashamed. (Romans 6:21).

Other famous Druids include the Queen Mother, Prince Charles, former Archbishop Rowan Williams and Winston Churchill. It is hardly necessary to state the Druids affiliation with paganism.

  
"Princess Elizabeth (later Queen Elizabeth II) in a robe of green is led by an acolyte to Archdruid Crwys Williams, who will initiate her into the Mystic Circle of Bards at the national Eisteddfod, or festival, at Mountain Ash, Glamorgan, Wales, August 6, 1946."{8}

Albert and Elizabeth, the Duke and Duchess of York, in druidic robes at the National Eisteddfod of Wales in Swansea. They are the future King George VI and Queen Elizabeth of England.

Can we assume from their support of the Queen, that the leadership of TLC concur with the Abortion Act in 1967, the Equal Marriages Act in 2013.. and do TLC also concur with druidic beliefs, including witchcraft, reincarnation or worse? Those who do such things are an abomination to the Lord. (Deuteronomy 18:10-12; Leviticus 20:6; Galatians 5:19-21). The sin of guilt by association is repeatedly emphasised in the scriptures: ..what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? (2 Corinthians 6:14-17; Ephesians 5:6-7; Titus 3:10-11; Romans 16:17)

The Order of the Garter and its association with Freemasonry.. from the horses mouth: 

It is impossible to divorce the Order of the Garter from Freemasonry: ".....the Order includes the Queen, who is Sovereign of the Garter, several senior Members of the Royal Family, and twenty-four knights chosen in recognition of their work."{9}" The order of the Garter was formed as a royal order of knights of the highest degree of England in the 1300s. It was designed to infuse the Arthurian values into the 24 people closest to the monarch of England, as their very own round table. In England, there has traditionally be no higher honor."{10} This link shows that a large number of Grand Masters of English Freemasonry have also been Knights of the Garter. The Order of the Garter is said to be the parent organisation over Freemasonry. Worldwide, the garter is of course a symbol of witchcraft.{11} Not only is Queen Elizabeth II the Grand Patroness of Freemasonry, her husband, Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, became a Freemason in 1953, the same year as the coronation. He is a member of Navy Lodge No 2612 in London.{12}

Young Queen Elizabeth - Nazi Salute

Which "king" does the Queen actually serve?

The questionable book: "The Servant Queen and the King She Serves" produced by ecumenical Hope Together attempts to convince us that the Queen has "biblical faith". David Hind in fact re-tweeted the HOPE Twitter message congratulating the Queen on her 90th birthday in April: "Happy 90th Birthday Your Majesty! May God bless you for all your faithfulness to Him."{13} 

Hind clearly continues his attachment to the ecumenical camp/agenda following on from his pivotal role in Churches Together Men's Fellowship Breakfast in 2014.{14} Is biblical faith compatible with paganism and ecumenism? We should not forget that Satan masquerades as an "angel of light" appearing as one thing, but in reality quite another. (2 Corinthians 11:14). The Queen refers to "Jesus" as "an anchor in my life and a role-model."{15} She makes many innocuous references to "Jesus", and yet she has never declared His exclusivity as the only way to the Father. (John 14:6). There are too many contradictions in the Queen's associations and actions that belie her confession of biblical faith. The "Jesus" she serves is not compatible in any sense with biblical Christianity. (2 Corinthians 11:4). Similarly, the tragic demise of TLC's spiritual condition is evidenced by too many contradictions so as to belie their own claim to genuine biblical faith. Their nod towards ecumenism and their negligence in preaching the true gospel of Jesus Christ are obvious red flags. (1 Corinthians 9:16). Though they appear to be doing many "good works", if TLC are genuine, they let their "light shine under a bushel" very well.. (Matthew 5:14-16).

The quest for the world's approval is nothing less than spiritual harlotry according to the scriptures. Those who seek worldly accolades have not understood that genuine faith in Jesus Christ is antithetical to, and involves a rejection of, worldly values and other faiths. In my early years as a Christian, TLC consisted of a small shabby building on a bomb site in a very poor area.. we were nothing and we had nothing at all in worldly terms, and yet we were rich (Revelation 2:9). I felt exceptionally blessed and unworthy to attend such an assembly at that time. Tragically, all the sacrifice, the giving and work that has gone into TLC over the years has resulted at best in nothing more than a successful worldly operation. At worst, TLC is a thinly disguised Luciferian operation being directed by the spirit of Antichrist. I would be ashamed to attend TLC now, and I am very thankful that the Lord opened my eyes and led me out of it. (Revelation 18:4).

It is very sad to see that Andrew Upton, the pastor of of Knighton Free Church, has publicly congratulated Open Hands on their Award. Open Hands is listed as a partner of KFC on their website and Upton regularly associates with TLC apostates. No relief from the falling away there either I am afraid. (2 Thessalonians 2:3).{16}



I warn my readers not to trust TLC and their friends. It is my firm conviction that they do not serve the Lord Jesus Christ in spirit and in truth.. (John 4:24) 

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:11-15)

{1}   http://www.openhandsleicester.org.uk/about-us.php
{2}   http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/trinity-life-church-leicester-downhill.html
{3}   https://www.gov.uk/queens-award-for-voluntary-service/overview
{4}   https://standfirminthelord.wordpress.com/category/deception-in-the-church/
{5}   http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/what-is-it-with-666-and-trinity-life.html
{6}   http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/obituary-king-baudouin-i-of-the-belgians-1458724.html
{7}   http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/03/queen-elizabeth-opposed-legalizing-same-sex-marriage/ 
{8}   https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/94786767133395270/
{9}   https://www.royal.uk/order-garter
{10} http://www.queenannemasoniclodge.com/order-of-the-garter/ 
{11} https://deathraywish.wordpress.com/2012/06/02/british-royalty-and-satanic-prime-ministers-the-druids-order-of-the-garter/
{12} https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Freemasons_(E%E2%80%93Z)
{13} https://twitter.com/davidhindtlc
{14} https://standfirminthelord.wordpress.com/2014/07/23/trinity-life-church-leicester-the-different-masks-of-david-hind/ 
{15} http://www.hopetogether.org.uk/Groups/271617/The_Book.aspx
{16} https://twitter.com/andyupton

Further Links:
http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/the-sinister-nature-of-halloween-exposed.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZYy9cFszRA 
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/03/queen-elizabeth-druid-high-priestess-and-human-sacrifices-3130420.html 
https://watch.pair.com/macarthur-11-british-druids.html
https://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/2002291/princess-elizabeth-is-invested-as-honorary-ovate-of-the-gorsedd-of-the-bards-of 
http://www.druidry.org/druid-way/what-druidry/what-druidism/what-ovate
http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/gods-plan-of-salvation-through-jesus.html 
http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2016/09/a-new-outreach-connecting-outside-camp.html
http://www.freemasonrytoday.com/ugle-sgc/ugle/prince-philip-duke-of-edinburgh-60-years-freemason 
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2012/James/freemasonry-queen.htm 

DR WATSON'S PRETRIB NON DISCOVERY By Dave MacPherson

     Dr. William Watson, history prof at Colorado Christian University, has penned a 55-page paper declaring that he has found examples of pretribulation rapture teaching considerably earlier than the claims that such teaching was "begun by Darby in the late nineteenth century." (Somehow he wrote "late" instead of "early.")

     Those interested in his paper can Google "Pretribulational Rapture in 17th and 18th Century England (pdf)." It features the highlights of his book "Dispensationalism Before Darby" (Lampion Press, 2015) which has been lauded by LaHaye, Ice, Reagan and other pretrib diehards.

     Right off the bat I noticed his misspelling of well-known prophecy writers. Lindsey became "Lindsay," Benware became "Benaware," Jeffrey became "Jeffery," and Scofield became "Schofield."

     I soon noticed, when going over Watson's attempt to prove the existence of pretrib rapture belief in his 17th and 18th century sources, that what he quoted was anything but pretribism. Many times those writers of yesteryear would merely be talking about "preservation" (or synonymous terms). Just before the quotes, Watson in short prefaces psyched up readers with a liberal usage of "Pretribulation" (or pretrib) and he seemed to use the word "rapture" endlessly (his way of putting "rapture" glasses on readers!). Oddly, I found only one mention of "dispensationalism" in one of the featured quotes even though it is in Watson's book title!

     What would be announced as pretrib rapture doctrine would be nothing more than a rapture before the final "conflagration," or before "Israel's resurrection," or before the final days of the Beast's power, or before Babylon's destruction, or before the "great destruction" at Armageddon, or before the Beast's zenith of "power," or before the Beast and false prophet are "cast into the lake of fire."

     Watson at times would say that some ancient writer taught two future comings, but upon checking it was found that the writer was merely talking about a coming before, and another coming after, a future millennium - certainly nothing about a pretrib coming! He admitted that a good number of the writers he researched were actually posttribulational in outlook, but by including them wasn't he undercutting his main purpose of claiming discovery of pretribulationism in writers centuries before Darby?

     On the first page of his paper, Watson mentioned a debate he had in 2007 with a fellow CCU prof who stated that dispensationalism and related ideas "began only 150 years ago in the mind of Darby."

     Watson revealed that the same debate was what inspired him to search for pretrib teaching in old books in British libraries. Since no posttrib or prewrath profs that I know would have an incentive to purposely look for pretribulationism before Darby's time, it's apparent to me that Watson, well versed on the current international "rapture" debate, had already been favoring the pretrib view which in recent years has seen pretrib merchandisers like Thomas Ice claiming evidence of pretrib in pre-1830 writers like Pseudo-Ephraem. In fact, Watson's paper cited Ice far more than any other prophecy writer of today!

     And when analyzing 18th century preacher Morgan Edwards, Watson echoed Ice and selectively quoted Edwards in the manner Ice had done! For an accurate assessment of Edwards, Google "Morgan Edwards' Rapture View" which shows that Edwards tied his "rapture" to the cosmic signs in Matt. 24! For more on Ice, pretribism's bulldog, Google "Pretrib Rapture Pride," "Walvoord Melts Ice," "Thomas Ice (Bloopers)," and "Be careful in polemics - Peripatetic Learning" (the latter written by a doctoral student in England).
     At the end of his paper Watson listed four of the writers he analyzed, said that none of them were pretrib but that they did mention "others who were" pretrib. I checked the quotes from all four (Thomas Collier, 1674; Praisegod Barebones (sic), 1675; Thomas Burnett, 1681; and Pierre Jurieu, 1687) - and none of the four mentioned anyone they knew of who was pretrib! And after all the pretrib "hype" in his title and throughout his prefaces before the quotes he offers, Watson has no category of "Pretribulation" in his chart at the back but has other categories showing what his authors saw in the way of "two comings," "resurrection," etc. and of course those who used "rapture" (but not after the word "pretrib")!

     Watson does mention Edward Irving on p. 32, and says that Irving and Darby "had begun teaching a pre-tribulation rapture" by "1831." My research shows that Irving and his Irvingites (who, BTW, credited a Miss Margaret Macdonald in Scotland as being the very first person to "discover" a pretrib rapture in the Bible) publicly taught pretrib in Sep. of 1830 in their journal "The Morning Watch." Darby, on the other hand, was still defending posttrib historicism in Dec. 1830 in the "Christian Herald," saw in 1837 the church "going in with Him to the marriage, to wit, with Jerusalem and the Jews," and didn't clearly teach pretrib until 1839 ("Notes on the Revelation"); his pretrib rapture was then based on the man child "caught up" in Rev. 12:5 (but Irving had used the same symbol for the same purpose back in 1831 and Darby, an avid reader of Irving's journal, "borrowed" Irving's thought without giving him credit!).

     If anyone before 1830 had taught a pretrib rapture, I'm sure that Darby would have heard about it. He was well read, knew several modern languages and even some ancient ones. The earliest pretrib teachers (in the 1830s) all stated that the pretrib rapture concept was a brand-new idea. In an 1834 letter Darby, while discussing the novel pretrib coming, wrote that "the thoughts are new," adding that "it would not be well to have it so clear, as it frightens people. We must pursue it steadily; it works like leaven...."

     Finally, I've long known that writers who bring up the origin of the pretrib view usually pad their books by quoting writers living centuries before and after the real originator and fail to use a microscope or magnifying glass like Sherlock Holmes and really focus on "who done it." It's almost as if certain writers are using a telescope to find the pretrib origin while looking out the window of an airplane circling the earth!

     I can imagine Dr. Watson contacting me and saying "Are you accusing me of using a telescope?"

     With apologies to Arthur Conan Doyle and P. G. Wodehouse, I could reply: "Elementary, my dear Watson, elementary!"

the dishonesty of geoffrey grider 'now the end begins': the lie that the post-tribulation rapture is anti-semitic

Geoffrey Grider, Author and Editor-in-Chief of "Now The End Begins".
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/teaching-church-will-go-tribulation-antisemitic-replacement-theology/ 

Grider's Shocking False Statements: 

"Christians who find the church within Daniel's 70th week have embraced replacement theology and a pernicious form of antisemitism."

"People who, in error, attempt to place the Church in the time of Jacob's trouble can only do it by putting the Church where Israel should be, and as such are guilty of teaching Replacement Theology. They are guilty of stealing promises made to the Jews and Israel alone, and God will have none of that."

"Christians are never 'God’s people' in the Bible, we are His redeemed through the work that Jesus did on the cross at Calvary."

Perhaps Mr Grider should read his Bible again! Christians are indisputably referred to as "God's people" in the New Testament: 

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. (1 Peter 2:9-10 cf. Romans 9:25-26)

Grider: "We are 'elect of God' but we are not 'the elect' as that is always a reference to the Jews."

Grider makes a false distinction, making the definite article preceding "elect" exclusively applicable to Israel. The word “elect” simply means “chosen”. There are many references to both Israel and the church as God's elect/his elect/the elect.  "The elect" are those Gentiles and literal Jews/Israelites who have known, now know, or will know Jesus as Lord, Saviour, and Messiah.{1}

Further verses about the elect: Matthew 24:22-31; Mark 13:20-27; Luke 18:7; 2 John 1:1; Romans 8:33, Romans 11:7; 1 Peter 1:1; 1 Timothy 2:10; Titus 1:1). 

Jacob's Trouble

Despite being at odds with the multifarious errors of pretribulational doctrine, the post-tribulation view is in complete harmony with the pretribulationism concerning Israel and could never be described as being antisemitic! Post-tribulationists, in agreement with the Apostle Paul, believe that God has not rejected his people (Israel), and that there is a remnant chosen by grace (Romans 11:1-7). Post-tribulationists believe that all the Old Testament prophecies will yet be literally fulfilled in their minutiae; such as in Isaiah 11 and 65 for example. This new angle being pushed by some militant pre-tribulationists is totally dishonest and entirely misrepresents the post-tribulation view! Mr Grider's allegations are totally inappropriate and are very damaging to the Body of Christ. According to Grider, Spurgeon, Ryle, Muller, Newton, Tregelles, and a whole host of other historic pre-millenial believers are now anti-semitic! It was only the post-millennial believers that the charge of "antisemitism" could be directed, but apparently not any more!

Does Jeremiah 30:7 automatically preclude the church from the great tribulation? The faulty dispensational position that the church cannot be present for any of the 70th week of Daniel is a non sequitur fallacy. It is based on the false presupposition that God deals with Israel exclusively after the church (believing Jews and Gentiles) is raptured. However, the evidence that the 70th week is not limited to Israel alone is overwhelming, just as the destruction of the temple and the diaspora was not limited to the Jews (Israel) alone, but most certainly affected believers (Acts 8:1-4, 11:19; James 1:1; 1 Peter 1:1). Where there is a distinction, is that one third of unbelieving Israel will flee from the Antichrist into the wilderness (Petra?) and will be divinely protected for 1260 days/42 prophetic months (Revelation 12:1-6; Daniel 12:1,7,11,12; cf  Matthew 24:15-22). 

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. (Zechariah 12:10; )

Who are the remnant of Israel's seed?

Revelation 12:17 clearly shows that in his frustration at being thwarted in his pursuit of Israel, the dragon (Satan) will make war with "the remnant of her seed".  Who else keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ except Christians?

And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman (Israel) which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (Revelation 12:13-17) 

Grider: "The Bible never calls this time the ‘Great Tribulation’, that is a misquote from Matthew 24 where Jesus says there will be ‘great tribulation’ as an adjective, but not as a definitive noun."  

Nevertheless Jesus Christ does define this time as a period of ..great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. (Matthew 24:21 cf. Daniel 12:1). The term "great tribulation" is repeated in Revelation 7:14 as a noun phrase. This period is clearly defined twice as "great tribulation" affecting the whole world in the scriptures, so why does Grider split hairs about adjectives and nouns? 

The Pre-tribulation Rapture Deception

Pretribulationism has no scriptural support and actually throws up more problems than answers. Passages which contradict pretribulationism, such as 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8 and the book of Matthew, are either ignored altogether or ascribed to unsaved Israel. The absurdity of relegating the entire book of Matthew as having no application to the church, as some do, is dangerous nonsense, leaving believers unprepared for the last days and extremely vulnerable to deception.. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. (2 Timothy 3:16-17 cf. Matthew 28:20). As such, and given its history, we can accurately say that pretribulationism is human tradition which nullifies the word of God (Matthew 15:3). J.N. Darby appears to have appropriated the pre-tribulation rapture from the Irvingites and began teaching it circa 1830. It was subsequently popularised by C.I. Scofield via his "reference Bible".  Darbyism, so-called, spread like wild fire throughout the USA, giving rise to the Dallas Theological Seminary and all its off-shoots that we see today in the form of the "Left Behind" series and "Rapture Ready" website and many other such populist outlets. 

The Post-Tribulation Rapture

People can mean different things by the post-tribulation rapture. In my view, the most coherent position is the pre-wrath rapture i.e. the rapture occurs after the sixth seal is opened (Revelation 6:12). In contrast to pretribulationism, the pre-wrath position can be argued consistently from several passages of scripture, including the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Peter, 2 Peter, and the Book of Revelation. Paul Dorgan gives a good comprehensive teaching on the pre-wrath view on the link below. Unfortunately, pseudo theologian and chancer Jacob Prasch (Moriel Ministries) has corrupted the pre-wrath position and has muddied the waters in recent times with his intra-seal rapture nonsense (Ezekiel 34:18). Intra-seal is extremely problematic and brings nothing but confusion to the debate.{2}




Post-tribulationist Joe Schimmel of Good Fight Ministries (Left Behind or Led Astray){3}, has a different view to pre-wrath. As the link below shows, Schimmel is demonstrably not anti-semitic!



{1} http://www.tedmontgomery.com/bblovrvw/Revelation/elect.html 
{2} http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2016/04/jacob-prasch-rapture-holy-spirit-and.html
{3} http://www.leftbehindorledastray.com/featured/left-behind-or-led-astray/

Recommended Reading:
http://www.banash.org/blog/2014/02/13/Replacement-Theology-does-God-Mean-what-He-Says.aspx 

beware of charismania: the leicester outpouring in october with peter gammons!

“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognise them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.Thus you will recognise them by their fruits..... (Matthew 7:15-20)

Peter Gammons is the Host/Organiser of Midlands Outpouring Leicester Weekend which is being held at  the University of Leicester, Stamford Court, Manor Road, Oadby, Leicester on the 7th and 8th of October.
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/midlands-outpouring-leicester-weekend-tickets-27536901614

Gammons is the founder of Peter Gammons Ministries International (PGMI). Apparently the event in Leicester is being supported by local churches which is very concerning.

Gammons makes great boasts of miracles, healings and supernatural experiences etc. Huge numbers attend his meetings internationally where thousands are supposedly healed. He is also a prolific writer; his twelve book series "Power in Your Pocket" which cost £30 or $40 includes: 200 Secrets of Financial Blessing and Twenty Keys To Your Financial Breakthrough.{1} Gammons theology is all about what we can get from God, aka the prosperity gospel, the health and wealth gospel, or the gospel of success. In other words Gammons "gospel" flies in the face of the true teachings of Jesus Christ (Matthew 10:38; 2 Corinthians 2:17, 4:2). Clearly Gammons "ministry" is very lucrative, for him at least!

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ (Matthew 7:21-23)

I put Gammons on a similar level to Benny Hinn who also visited Leicester in 2014 with the "blessing" of Trinity Life Church (AOG). Hinn cannot prove any of his miracles, and I believe his ministry to be a huge scam.{2} Whether Gammon's miracles are fake I am not entirely sure, but even if they are "real", they are satanic, because he does not teach the true gospel of Jesus Christ. Signs and wonders are definitely not proof of genuine Christianity.. in fact false signs and wonders will play a major role in the satanic deception coming upon the earth during the final few years of history:

The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12)

In 2003 Archbishop Paulk and Bishop Kirby Clemments ordained Gammons as Bishop of the International Communion of Charismatic Churches (ICCC), an organisation representing over 6000 ministries and over 10 million of members worldwide, including many of the world’s largest Mega-churches, with some congregations alone having in excess of 50,000 members.{3}

The ICCC is partners with the Roman Catholic Church. This is all part of the Counter-Reformation which is rapidly taking shape before our eyes. Partnership with the Roman Catholic Church is to accept another gospel (Galatians 1:6). For instance, the declarations of the Council of Trent (1545-1563) which are still in force, formally condemn the biblical doctrine of faith alone and grace alone:

“If anyone says that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in divine mercy, which remits sins for Christ's sake, or that it is this confidence alone that justifies us, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Sixth Session, Canons Concerning Justification, Canon 12).

“If anyone says that the justice received is not preserved and also not increased before God through good works, but that those works are merely the fruits and signs of justification obtained, but not the cause of its increase, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Sixth Session, Canons Concerning Justification, Canon 24).

The Roman Catholic Church teaches baptismal regeneration and sacramentalism i.e. justifying grace is "infused" upon baptism and is maintained via the sacraments:

Catechism 1212 "The sacraments of Christian initiation - Baptism, Confirmation, and the Eucharist - lay the foundations of every Christian life. "The sharing in the divine nature given to men through the grace of Christ bears a certain likeness to the origin, development, and nourishing of natural life. The faithful are born anew by Baptism, strengthened by the sacrament of Confirmation, and receive in the Eucharist the food of eternal life. By means of these sacraments of Christian initiation, they thus receive in increasing measure the treasures of the divine life and advance toward the perfection of charity." {4}

The Pentecostal and charismatic churches are now well on their way to Rome, as we have observed with the treachery of Kenneth Copeland, James Robison, John Arnott and other false teachers. In direct contradiction to the Bible, Pope Francis, states that all, regardless of their religious profession, are children of God.

.....for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptised into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.  (Galatians 3:26-28)

"Vatican City, Rome. Jan 7, 2016 / 04:40 am –  'Many think differently, feel differently, seeking God or meeting God in different ways. In this crowd, in this range of religions, there is only one certainty that we have for all: we are all children of God,' Pope Francis said in his message, released Jan. 6, the feast of the Epiphany." {5} 

“Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.”And when Jesus finished these sayings, the crowds were astonished at his teaching, for he was teaching them as one who had authority, and not as their scribes. (Matthew 7:24-29) 

Anyone who becomes involved in the ecumenical movement is putting themselves at great risk of spiritual deception.  

Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues....." (Revelation 18:4)

{1} http://www.pgmi.org/
{2} http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/the-circus-comes-to-town-false-prophet.html  
{3} http://www.pgmi.org/home/world-miracle-church/
{4} http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c1.htm
{5} http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pope-francis-releases-one-world-religion-prayer-video-says-all-faiths-the-same/

Further Links:

http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/gods-plan-of-salvation-through-jesus.html 
http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2016/09/a-new-outreach-connecting-outside-camp.html
http://www.donotbesurprised.com/2014/03/pentecostal-megachurch-pastor-says.html