MORIEL TV: BILL RANDLES & CHRIS ROSEBOROUGH - July 2020
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Blessings
It has been Moriel's policy to ignore the diatribes of Bill Randles, an unsuccessful pastor & author, as we have stated all we needed to and choose to deny him the attention he seems to crave since pulpit as a pastor and platform as an author no longer accord him the recognition he once had, but largely no longer does.
It appears that unable to amplify his erroneous teaching and criticisms of myself & Moriel, Bill Randles has sought to jump onto to bandwagon of another in an attempt to regain the voice he no longer can command on his own. Specifically, he has joined forces with Ultra-Lutheran sacramentalist and A-millennial/ Post Millenial Great Tribulation denier Chris Roseborough in a rather theologically ridiculous effort to misrepresent and distort my own beliefs.
Bill Randles, (like Mr. Rogers - the follower of David Nathan and devotee of Michael Brown) of course speaks in gross doctrinal ignorance concerning both the subject of the Metatron and my evangelistic use of it in witnessing to Orthodox Jews which has been my only interest in it or reference to it. It is a necessity in Messianic Apologetics for Jewish Evangelism to religious Jews to be able to address their distorted cabalistic view of the One in Old Testament scripture called "The Angel Of The Lord', known to Christians as a Christophany (Old Testament appearance of Christ), but called The Metatron by Orthodox and Chassidic Jews who later reframed the scriptural figure with mysticism in the Zohar and the Babylonian Talmud.
This 20-year-old teaching on the Metatron was part of a training series to assist Christians to share their faith evangelistically with Orthodox Jews and educate them in what they believe, much the same as the evangelistic training for Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Moslems, Roman Catholics, New Agers, etc. Like Paul in Athens, one must know what others believe to enter into evangelistic dialogue with them. In the teaching, I did specifically issue caveats warning against the occult nature and Babylonian Gnosticism in Kaballah. Now, 20 years later a former Nazarene turned manic fundamentalist Lutheran takes something out of the evangelistic context it was presented in to falsely attack me ascribing nonsensical beliefs to me that I have not only never held, but examined in context, actually warned against.
To grasp this idiocy, Bill Randles, of course, supported the Menelaws in their promotion of David Nathan while even admitting that he knew David Nathan to be a heretic (denial of God The Father as Creator, belief in animal blood being able to remove sin, and praying God's power into a tie or jacket to knock people over for healing). As a result of Bill Randles' actions, Moriel ceased our marketing and promotion of his books that almost no one reads. Consequently, he is embittered.
Without reference to myself or Moriel, for reasons unrelated to us, Bill Randles, as a result of his actions, has lost nearly all of his church in Iowa. He has since had false teachers in his church (among them, one who teaches that the 2 witnesses of Revelation 11 are God The Father & The Holy Spirit who must come in human form and die in Jerusalem as Jesus did, and Craig White from the unmitigated lunatic fringe). Thus, we are not completely surprised that Bill Randles now aligns himself with Chris Roseborough, a notorious proponent of sacramental & Post Milleniel hyper-Lutheranism. Bill Randles also now teaches that the Gospel is 'not a Message of Love'. Bill Randles is disturbed that we consider him to have become a proven false teacher and angry because we can no longer carry or promote his books in good conscience. The scandals that surrounded the mass exodus from his church were indeed very ugly, to say the least, but were wholly unrelated to us. Now however we understand why.
Most of Bill Randles' itinerate ministry as an author whose books do not sell, and who is no longer welcome to most churches that once invited him, is likewise over and not going to be resuscitated. Though we had absolutely nothing to do with his decimated church where all of his elders, his secretary of more than 25 years, and whole families that had been with him walked out in utter disgust, for doctrinal & ethical reasons, we are in sympathy with those who left. Bill Randles labeled the pastor of the local Calvary Chapel to where many of his former congregants went as refugees as a "Psychopath", thus we are not surprised at his attacks on us. These refugees included the majority of young adults who had grown up from early childhood in the nursery and Sunday School of what little is left of his church. Again, Moriel & myself had no involvement in this, but we are forced to recognize that those who joined the exodus from his church had little ethical & doctrinal option.
Regarding 'The Metatron' we will of course be issuing a refutation to the bogus theology of the extremist Lutheran Chris Roseborough, who teaches forgiveness for sins come from telling one's sins to him as 'pastor' and to receive 'absolution'. Roseborough also teaches such things as that the Millennial reign of Christ began 2,000 years ago with the Ascension of Christ when Satan was supposedly bound, and that there is no such thing as a literal 666, etc. Having lost most of his church and most of his ministry, this proponent of sacramental salvation is the new partnership Bill Randles has chosen because most of those who once stood with him can no longer trust or respect him, nor sanction his supposed ministry. One can almost sarcastically imagine Bill Randles 'going to confession' and kneeling before the statue of Christ in Roseborough's church and telling Roseborough his sins to get remission. Why would a Pentecostal parakeet for Roseborough?
Chris Roseborough is the worst kind of Lutheran - propounding a hybrid of Roman Catholicism and Lutheranism, complete with graven images, altars, candles, icons, crucifixes, and a belief in ritualistic ex opera operato baptismal regeneration. He also believes in an actual literal presence of Jesus in the physical communion wine and bread (without the elements being transubstantiated) that is the vehicle to remove sin. This is a very strange ally for a Pentecostal as Bill Randles professes to be. Embittered & desperate people however do desperate things. Oddly, Bill Randles has often written and spoken of the End of The Age, but he is now in bed with someone who denies and teaches against a literal 7 final years, a denial of an actual mark of the beast and 666, and who rejects the prophetic significance of contemporary world events.
For those unfamiliar with Chris Roseborough, he is somewhat renowned for his excretory vulgarity and fecal profanity complete with cartoon graphics of an explicitly excretory and fecal nature which he deems to be funny to demean Christians who disagree with his twisted doctrinal theology. He dismisses Christians who take the Olivet Discourse & Matthew 24 and End Time Prophecy literally as a "Doomsday Cult". He has currently gone into promoting the Doreen Virtue and her claimed 'vision' (and now a painting) of her 3 Dimensional Jesus with curly brown hair, but no nail marks showing everyone his sacred heart extruding from his chest. Roseborough is also an ardent defender of John Mac Arthur's teaching that there will be people who accept the Mark of the Beast, and still get saved and go to heaven (even though Roseborough teaches it is not a literal mark). The question is: 'Why would Bill Randles now go into league with such a nefarious person'? The answer is unfortunately obvious. The reason is resentment and desperation.
Bill Randles gave the Judas kiss only to discover that his filthy lucre was a devalued currency. In the end, almost inevitably, Judas hangs himself.
Studio Scotland & GV 24/7 who promoted David Nathan and whom Bill Randles defended are locked in a dilemma. They have been unable to produce another film with the merit and impact of 'The Daniel Project' despite hiring a famous Hollywood talent for a supposed sequel. Their other films come to no real notoriety. Yet their crowning achievement,'The Daniel Project' is built around the narration of someone they now detest - specifically Jacob Prasch. They are permanently saddled with the dilemma that their signature production features me and they must, therefore, promote my ministry while simultaneously hating and cursing it at the same time. This hideous quagmire is a comical fiasco that most certainly reflects the humorous judgment of God. They can only present their premier film by giving accolades to their chosen nemesis. This is God's Hand. How can I not laugh? Meanwhile, their GV 24/7 is a pointless joke that hardly anyone watches in terms of viewership. This is whom Bill Randles defends.
Yet Bill Randles himself has likewise has become a failed pastor whose church he caused to disintegrate and a failed author whose itinerate ministry he has largely caused to collapse, with a repertoire of books he cannot persuade many Christians to purchase and read. Joining forces with an extremist Lutheran sacramentalist who teaches that Satan has been bound for the last 2,000 years - in order to attack me & Moriel with falsehood, is not going to revive the ministry that he destroyed. What is left of Bill Randles' ministry is folding like a cheap suit. No longer having much of a pulpit or a platform of his own, so we now witness the pathetic spectacle of Bill Randles playing the drum in someone else's parade. He tries to make a big noise, but the music is cacophonic and the percussion is deafening; very few are even listening.
This has been a tragic saga. I once endorsed and promoted Bill Randles. and Moriel pushed his material and helped him however we could. The spiritual, ethical, and theological ruination that Bill Randles has inflicted upon himself and his church & ministry has been a sad victory for Satan. I do not delight in the demise of his writing ministry, or in seeing the deflated vestige of its former self that his church has become; things which Bill Randles has very foolishly brought upon himself. Yet these grim realities remain undeniable. Disingenuous spins, more false teaching, and ungodly vengeful alliances with pseudo-sanitized Roman Catholicism are not going to reverse it.
With the
In Christ,
J. Jacob Prasch (Moriel)
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Tuesday 7 July 2020
Saturday 28 December 2019
THE PRASCH MENACE!
I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.” (Matthew 12:36-37).
Prasch and his small group of sycophants persistence in slandering David Nathan has now reached the point of utter tedium. If Amos Farrell and others are incapable of repenting, then it really is time they changed the record! Their continued attacks against David Nathan are both crass and vindictive considering the various false accusations against him have been successfully refuted time and again. Ironically, not one of Prasch's shameful "enabling eight" {1} has mentioned Prasch's false teaching that there will be no grace during the millennium and his agreement with David Nathan on this subject. {2} There is no doubt that Amos Farrell is a malicious witness. (Exodus 23:1).
David Nathan: “He (Jesus) is the creator. He is the one that created – but as we know from scripture, because God is a perfect unity they work as one – that Jesus did not act independently of the Father. Amen..” (12:00 mark). {3}
Farrell's duplicitous track record speaks for itself. Earlier this year Farrell claimed to be "Sergeant Amos Farrell Sr. Detective (retired) Scotland Yard Metropolitan Police, London (UK)". {4} I contacted the Metropolitan Police and complained about Farrell's gross inflation of his former position. Here in the UK, the rank of Sergeant is a junior position, only one rank above that of Police Constable, the lowest ranking police officer. There are no less than nine ranks above Sergeant in the Metropolitan Police! Farrell's title would have been Detective Sergeant and certainly not Senior Detective! Unsurprisingly, apart from sending me a brief acknowledgement, the Metropolitan Police have done absolutely nothing to address this matter as far as I am aware. Apparently publicly misrepresenting oneself as a retired "Senior Detective" is not an issue for them!
None of my contacts has any knowledge of Dave Borlase's alleged "rehashed version of events". The only statement known to us is Borlase's original post on FB dated the 5th of December warning about Prasch's godless behaviour. {5}
Prasch's Alleged Jewish Background
On the above video Prasch states: "I tell people my mothers family was Catholic. I tell people I had no Jewish background growing up except going to the Jewish community centre." (16:45 mark)
Prasch has in fact claimed that he has a biological Jewish background on various occasions:
Prasch: "I have two first names - James and Jacob. When I was a baby they called me James. It was Anglicised from my father's grandfather's name, Ya'kov - Jacob. It is good that I have two first names because my family is a combination of two backgrounds - Irish Catholic and Jewish." {6} On ancestry.co.uk Prasch's grandfather on his father's side is George Conrad Prasch, and on his mother's side it is Francis Joseph Connors. https://vimeo.com/330059149 (password Ancestry).
Prasch refers to the time when he was a baby! In other words, his alleged biological background is Irish Catholic and Jewish.
Prasch: "Now I grew up in the New York area and I was sent both to a Roman Catholic school and the Jewish community center. I had brit milah, plus I was sprinkled as a baby." {7}
"Jacob’s family is a combination of Roman Catholic and Jewish. (In his youth he was forced to attend a Catholic school, but also attended the Jewish Community Centre.) Jacob’s wife Pavia, also from a science background, is a Romanian-born Israeli Jewish believer.." {8}
Attending a Jewish Community Centre in his youth relates to Prasch's biological family. His wife's Jewish background is mentioned separately.
In the above video, Prasch contradicts himself and waves around some vague papers that supposedly do give him a Jewish background after all!
Prasch now says that Brasch was his original family name, and he claims that it was changed to "Ellis Island" when his family came to the United States - all documented apparently! Ellis Island? Is he having a laugh, have I mis-heard him, or is it the Jack Daniels?
ancestry.com: "Brasch Name Meaning: North German and Danish: variant of Braasch. German: from a reduced form of the Latin personal name Ambrosius (see Ambrose)." {9}
There are Jewish families in Argentina with surname BRASCH. {10} Perhaps Prasch can make something up out of that!
If Prasch has taken advantage of the Law of Return (Hebrew: חֹוק הַשְׁבוּת, ḥok ha-shvūt) as he claims, then it would be due to his wife's nationality rather than to his own supposed Jewish background. On the 5th of July 1950, Israeli law gave Jews the right to live in Israel and to gain Israeli citizenship. According to Wikipedia, in 1989 the Supreme Court of Israel ruled that Messianic Judaism constituted another religion, and that people who had become Messianic Jews were not therefore eligible for Aliyah under the law. {11} In order to establish the facts, it would depend upon when Prasch actually applied for Israeli citizenship. I challenge Jacob Prasch to publish the papers he was waving around on line so that we can verify his supposed Jewish background.
The Myth Of Lymphatic Oedema As A Cause For Non Dietary Obesity
Prasch briefly mentioned his medical condition on the video, and once again he hinted that lymphatic oedema is the cause of his gross obesity.
In 2017, Prasch blamed his obesity on "lymphatic fluid" in a video 'The Sin of Gluttony' {12}
Prasch teaches correctly that gluttony is addressed as a serious sin in the scriptures (albeit that he falsely excludes himself), and he has previously made reference to Bill Randles' obesity.
Moriel (SA): "Like Bill Randles, Jacob Prasch battles with issues of health; specifically Lymphatic Oedema causing non dietary obesity. To function Jacob is reliant on certain meds, one of which has the side effect of oral dehydration affecting salvia secretion. He is not 'foaming at the mouth' but battling a disease. Such personal attacks only evade the factual and doctrinal issues." {13}
I have done some research into the subject of lymphatic oedema as the cause of non dietary obesity. In fact it is not the case that lymphatic oedema causes obesity. Obese people suffering from lymphatic oedema are actually advised to lose weight as it is an aggravating factor. Prasch's penchant for changing facts is truly astonishing!
NHS: "People who are obese, particularly those who are severely obese, have an increased risk of developing swollen body parts. It's not clear exactly why this is, but it's been suggested that the extra fatty tissue affects the lymphatic channels in some way, reducing the flow of fluid through them. In these cases, weight loss is an important part of treatment and even just starting to lose weight can make a big difference to the swelling." {14}
* Intercessors for Britain compromised with Hope 08 which was ecumenical. {15}
Borlase is involved with ecumenical Heart Publications. {16}
Borlase's manners leave a lot to be desired!
He was very rude and hostile towards me not so long ago and he has not bothered to apologise.
A good friend of mine who is also an apologist informs me that Borlase was also very rude to him.
On the above basis I will have nothing whatever to do with IFB or Dave Borlase.
Further information:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4393748/
https://www.lymphedemablog.com/2017/09/19/obesity-and-lymphedema/
Dracula Prasch and His Jewish Blood/Alcohol Levels from tbckawaii on Vimeo.
1. https://powerplaypause.blog/2019/11/18/jacob-prasch-the-shameful-enabling-8/
2. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/05/jacob-prasch-millennial-views-tainted.html
3. https://youtu.be/jGuCiRUvriM
4. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/04/is-jacob-prasch-having-laugh.html
5.https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/12/intercessors-for-britain-public.html
6. Jacob Prasch: Israel, The Church & The Jews 2008 page 263
7. https://www.moriel.org/questions/questions-for-jewish-people/questions-for-jewish-people-introduction.html
8. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6400380-israel-the-church-the-jews
9. https://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=brasch
10. https://www.hebrewsurnames.com/BRASCH
11. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return
12. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sqeoS3AxvI&t=571s
13. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/10/moriel-statement-jacob-prasch-moriel.html
14. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/lymphoedema/causes/
15. https://www.cte.org.uk/Publisher/File.aspx?ID=150343
16. https://www.heartpublications.co.uk/supporting-churches/
16. https://www.heartpublications.co.uk/tag/dave-borlase/
Jacob Prasch Response to Dave Borlase IFB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gvmQxwMy-oPrasch and his small group of sycophants persistence in slandering David Nathan has now reached the point of utter tedium. If Amos Farrell and others are incapable of repenting, then it really is time they changed the record! Their continued attacks against David Nathan are both crass and vindictive considering the various false accusations against him have been successfully refuted time and again. Ironically, not one of Prasch's shameful "enabling eight" {1} has mentioned Prasch's false teaching that there will be no grace during the millennium and his agreement with David Nathan on this subject. {2} There is no doubt that Amos Farrell is a malicious witness. (Exodus 23:1).
David Nathan: “He (Jesus) is the creator. He is the one that created – but as we know from scripture, because God is a perfect unity they work as one – that Jesus did not act independently of the Father. Amen..” (12:00 mark). {3}
Moriel's latest target is Dave Borlase (Intercessors for Britain). I am not a supporter of IFB.* However, I am in no hurry to believe Amos Farrell's version of events concerning Prasch's altercation with him.
Farrell's duplicitous track record speaks for itself. Earlier this year Farrell claimed to be "Sergeant Amos Farrell Sr. Detective (retired) Scotland Yard Metropolitan Police, London (UK)". {4} I contacted the Metropolitan Police and complained about Farrell's gross inflation of his former position. Here in the UK, the rank of Sergeant is a junior position, only one rank above that of Police Constable, the lowest ranking police officer. There are no less than nine ranks above Sergeant in the Metropolitan Police! Farrell's title would have been Detective Sergeant and certainly not Senior Detective! Unsurprisingly, apart from sending me a brief acknowledgement, the Metropolitan Police have done absolutely nothing to address this matter as far as I am aware. Apparently publicly misrepresenting oneself as a retired "Senior Detective" is not an issue for them!
None of my contacts has any knowledge of Dave Borlase's alleged "rehashed version of events". The only statement known to us is Borlase's original post on FB dated the 5th of December warning about Prasch's godless behaviour. {5}
Prasch's Alleged Jewish Background
On the above video Prasch states: "I tell people my mothers family was Catholic. I tell people I had no Jewish background growing up except going to the Jewish community centre." (16:45 mark)
Prasch has in fact claimed that he has a biological Jewish background on various occasions:
Prasch: "I have two first names - James and Jacob. When I was a baby they called me James. It was Anglicised from my father's grandfather's name, Ya'kov - Jacob. It is good that I have two first names because my family is a combination of two backgrounds - Irish Catholic and Jewish." {6} On ancestry.co.uk Prasch's grandfather on his father's side is George Conrad Prasch, and on his mother's side it is Francis Joseph Connors. https://vimeo.com/330059149 (password Ancestry).
Prasch refers to the time when he was a baby! In other words, his alleged biological background is Irish Catholic and Jewish.
Prasch: "Now I grew up in the New York area and I was sent both to a Roman Catholic school and the Jewish community center. I had brit milah, plus I was sprinkled as a baby." {7}
Brit Milah [Hebrew: בְּרִית מִילָה] is a Jewish religious male circumcision ceremony performed by a mohel (a Jew who performs the rite of circumcision) on the eighth day of the infant's life.
"Jacob’s family is a combination of Roman Catholic and Jewish. (In his youth he was forced to attend a Catholic school, but also attended the Jewish Community Centre.) Jacob’s wife Pavia, also from a science background, is a Romanian-born Israeli Jewish believer.." {8}
Attending a Jewish Community Centre in his youth relates to Prasch's biological family. His wife's Jewish background is mentioned separately.
In the above video, Prasch contradicts himself and waves around some vague papers that supposedly do give him a Jewish background after all!
Prasch now says that Brasch was his original family name, and he claims that it was changed to "Ellis Island" when his family came to the United States - all documented apparently! Ellis Island? Is he having a laugh, have I mis-heard him, or is it the Jack Daniels?
ancestry.com: "Brasch Name Meaning: North German and Danish: variant of Braasch. German: from a reduced form of the Latin personal name Ambrosius (see Ambrose)." {9}
There are Jewish families in Argentina with surname BRASCH. {10} Perhaps Prasch can make something up out of that!
If Prasch has taken advantage of the Law of Return (Hebrew: חֹוק הַשְׁבוּת, ḥok ha-shvūt) as he claims, then it would be due to his wife's nationality rather than to his own supposed Jewish background. On the 5th of July 1950, Israeli law gave Jews the right to live in Israel and to gain Israeli citizenship. According to Wikipedia, in 1989 the Supreme Court of Israel ruled that Messianic Judaism constituted another religion, and that people who had become Messianic Jews were not therefore eligible for Aliyah under the law. {11} In order to establish the facts, it would depend upon when Prasch actually applied for Israeli citizenship. I challenge Jacob Prasch to publish the papers he was waving around on line so that we can verify his supposed Jewish background.
The Myth Of Lymphatic Oedema As A Cause For Non Dietary Obesity
In 2017, Prasch blamed his obesity on "lymphatic fluid" in a video 'The Sin of Gluttony' {12}
Prasch teaches correctly that gluttony is addressed as a serious sin in the scriptures (albeit that he falsely excludes himself), and he has previously made reference to Bill Randles' obesity.
Moriel (SA): "Like Bill Randles, Jacob Prasch battles with issues of health; specifically Lymphatic Oedema causing non dietary obesity. To function Jacob is reliant on certain meds, one of which has the side effect of oral dehydration affecting salvia secretion. He is not 'foaming at the mouth' but battling a disease. Such personal attacks only evade the factual and doctrinal issues." {13}
I have done some research into the subject of lymphatic oedema as the cause of non dietary obesity. In fact it is not the case that lymphatic oedema causes obesity. Obese people suffering from lymphatic oedema are actually advised to lose weight as it is an aggravating factor. Prasch's penchant for changing facts is truly astonishing!
NHS: "People who are obese, particularly those who are severely obese, have an increased risk of developing swollen body parts. It's not clear exactly why this is, but it's been suggested that the extra fatty tissue affects the lymphatic channels in some way, reducing the flow of fluid through them. In these cases, weight loss is an important part of treatment and even just starting to lose weight can make a big difference to the swelling." {14}
* Intercessors for Britain compromised with Hope 08 which was ecumenical. {15}
Borlase is involved with ecumenical Heart Publications. {16}
Borlase's manners leave a lot to be desired!
He was very rude and hostile towards me not so long ago and he has not bothered to apologise.
A good friend of mine who is also an apologist informs me that Borlase was also very rude to him.
On the above basis I will have nothing whatever to do with IFB or Dave Borlase.
Further information:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4393748/
https://www.lymphedemablog.com/2017/09/19/obesity-and-lymphedema/
1. https://powerplaypause.blog/2019/11/18/jacob-prasch-the-shameful-enabling-8/
2. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/05/jacob-prasch-millennial-views-tainted.html
3. https://youtu.be/jGuCiRUvriM
4. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/04/is-jacob-prasch-having-laugh.html
5.https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/12/intercessors-for-britain-public.html
6. Jacob Prasch: Israel, The Church & The Jews 2008 page 263
7. https://www.moriel.org/questions/questions-for-jewish-people/questions-for-jewish-people-introduction.html
8. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6400380-israel-the-church-the-jews
9. https://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=brasch
10. https://www.hebrewsurnames.com/BRASCH
11. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return
12. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sqeoS3AxvI&t=571s
13. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/10/moriel-statement-jacob-prasch-moriel.html
14. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/lymphoedema/causes/
15. https://www.cte.org.uk/Publisher/File.aspx?ID=150343
16. https://www.heartpublications.co.uk/supporting-churches/
16. https://www.heartpublications.co.uk/tag/dave-borlase/
Thursday 26 December 2019
A TEACHABLE MOMENT ~ CLOSING STAGES
In the video clip above Bill Randles grossly misrepresented the facts when he claimed publicly that David Nathan taught that "the Father did not create anything" and "the blood of Jesus has no profit in any dispensation". These are blatant falsehoods! Even though Bill Randles is fully aware that David Nathan has not taught these heresies, he has made no attempt to apologise or to retract his false statements!!!
David Nathan: “He (Jesus) is the creator. He is the one that created – but as we know from scripture, because God is a perfect unity they work as one – that Jesus did not act independently of the Father. Amen..” (12:00 mark). https://youtu.be/jGuCiRUvriM
“You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness." (Exodus 23:1).
Read the post by Closingstages:
https://closingstages.net/2019/12/25/a-teachable-moment/?fbclid=IwAR2dPIO7LURCCFZJtPEyR5KHcpAM15zyr05loLcMbOe9khaemGwAAiK7RpQ
Tuesday 19 November 2019
BILL RANDLES IRRATIONAL BEHAVIOUR
CLOSINGSTAGES: PUBLIC APOLOGY
The Matthew 18:15-17 Process:
Partiality
When I asked Bill Randles to read my intra-seal critique on Prasch, he agreed, but he did not keep his word. His partiality was obvious when he asked: "What are the implications of Jacob not getting the counting of the Omer exactly right?" {1}
Concerning David Nathan:
Bill Randles: "In my view, the original issue which triggered all of this boils down to two statements of David Nathan’s;
https://closingstages.net/2019/11/14/public-apology/#comments
CLOSINGSTAGES: BILL RANDLES RESOLUTION
https://closingstages.net/2019/11/18/randles-resolution/
Following Mike and Pat Rogers' public apology to Bill Randles, I have to say that Randles irrational behaviour is quite something to behold! Unsurprisingly, his illogical suggestion that they follow the Matthew 18 process in order to resolve their differences has resulted in further issues.
Following Mike and Pat Rogers' public apology to Bill Randles, I have to say that Randles irrational behaviour is quite something to behold! Unsurprisingly, his illogical suggestion that they follow the Matthew 18 process in order to resolve their differences has resulted in further issues.
The Matthew 18:15-17 Process:
Stage 1: If your brother sins against you, go and confront him privately. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. (v15)
Stage 2: But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses. (v 16)
Stage 2: But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses. (v 16)
Stage 3: If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. (v 17a)
Stage 4: And if he refuses to listen even to the church, regard him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. (v17b)
Some thoughts: All this has taken place in the public domain. As such it is not an issue that can realistically be settled privately by the Matthew 18 process. Nevertheless Mike and Pat did listen to Bill Randles and took appropriate action (stage 1). However, Bill does not listen to their grievances, which necessitates the involvement of one or two others (stage 2). If Bill will not listen to one or two others, and as they are not in a church setting, Mike and Pat cannot “tell it to the church”. As such stage 3 does not apply. At stage 2 if there is no resolution, I think they would need to decide whether to regard Bill as a “pagan or a tax collector”. In a church setting that would necessitate that Bill's company is to be shunned. (Stage 4).
In any event, Bill invalidated the whole process when he vilified Mike and Pat publicly after Matthew 18 was initiated and after he had agreed to await their response.
[William Randles Tim
Wirth it is not true what they posted about how”vile” Kris and I, and these hypocrites repost from Jacobs website when it
serves their interest in sliming my name, such as when they posted Sergio’s lying rant ... none of it is”hard truth”].
A further violation of the process occurred when Bill copied another person into his email responses to Mike and Pat erratically without consulting them and without their permission.
Bill continues to flout the Matthew 18 process by adding to his list of original grievances.
In my view, resolution with such an unstable person will be very difficult indeed!
Further Problems
In my view, resolution with such an unstable person will be very difficult indeed!
Further Problems
Both Bill and Kristin have broken the scriptures by making ad hominem remarks and accusations they are not prepared to back up with specific examples and facts. (2 Corinthians 13:1).
In my own case, Bill has accused me of being a "feminist", as well as making other false accusations against me.* However he failed to produce any evidence to substantiate those lies. He subsequently followed up by calling me a an "abusive reviler”. Despite being challenged by me, Bill completely ignores me and refuses to acknowledge my grievances against him. Is that scriptural?
* UPDATE 22/11/2019: I have accepted Bill's recent apology on a previous obscure post of mine for calling me a "feminist".
When I asked Bill Randles to read my intra-seal critique on Prasch, he agreed, but he did not keep his word. His partiality was obvious when he asked: "What are the implications of Jacob not getting the counting of the Omer exactly right?" {1}
Concerning David Nathan:
Bill Randles: "In my view, the original issue which triggered all of this boils down to two statements of David Nathan’s;
'The blood of Jesus will not profit anyone anything in the Millennium' and the twin statement in which Nathan strongly asserts that the blood sacrifices offered in the Millennium are in no way memorial. In other words, they do not point back to the cross of Jesus, as the Lord’s Supper does.
"God the Father did not Create anything” {2}
"God the Father did not Create anything” {2}
Can Bill Randles clarify why precisely he will not “forgive” David Nathan? If it concerns the millennium question, then it is not for Bill Randles to “forgive” a doctrinal error.. only the Lord can do that. We forgive one another our sins against each other, not doctrinal error. (Colossians 3:13). We “expose” false teaching – that is all. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. Ephesians 5:1.
Bill Randles: "So what is my problem? WHY HAVEN'T I 'FORGIVEN' HIM?"
I have all kinds of problems with these two issues, but DON'T ASSUME I HAVEN'T FORGIVEN or don’t love David Nathan because it isn’t true..
DOCTRINAL ISSUES ARE NOT PRIMARILY A MATTER OF FORGIVENESS … they are matters of the determination of truth.."
DOCTRINAL ISSUES ARE NOT PRIMARILY A MATTER OF FORGIVENESS … they are matters of the determination of truth.."
This particular example of Bill's double speak had the effect of muddying the waters, and it prolonged an already unpleasant episode. In my view, it was a deliberate attempt to further damage David Nathan's reputation.
Further evidence of Bill Randles duplicity:
Further evidence of Bill Randles duplicity:
"We don’t have to get personal. If we could just be objective people, take a look at Scripture, put aside personalities put aside people being rude, this or that or the other. Do you really want to promote a man, who says the Father didn’t create anything? Or that the blood of Christ has no profit AT ANY DISPENSATION.. People have to remember where their true loyalty lies, it lies with the Word." https://youtu.be/fPzfy83U5Y0 (1:17 mark).
To state that David Nathan was referring to ANY DISPENSATION is a complete fabrication! The original question concerned the MILLENIUM, and in that respect David Nathan has clarified his position.
David Nathan: "The statement which I should not have made but rather should have sought to express myself very differently and that folk have objected to is, 'The Blood of Jesus will not profit anyone, anything in the Millennium.' In using this phrase, which I regret, I was not stating that the Blood of Jesus does not cleanse in all ages as this would be a clear violation of scripture. His blood alone can take away sin and every sacrifice from Genesis 3:21, when the Lord clothed Adam and Eve in tunics of skin to the sacrifices of the Millennium all point to Jesus. In the teaching I kept using the word atone to describe the purpose of the millennial sacrifices in the sense that they do not remove sin but cover sin. I reiterate again that I do not teach nor believe that the sin of an animal or animals can ever remove sin. Not under the Old Testament, not now nor in the age to come. Only the Blood of Jesus can remove sin both now and forever, including the millennium. This is and has always been what I have believed though I did not express it succinctly in the series on Eschatology.
I only offer the above as an explanation of why I used the phrase and not as an excuse for trying to justify using it. I was wrong to use it as it does not, nor ever did convey what I actually believe regarding the eternal cleansing power of the Blood of Jesus which alone removes sin for all ages." {3}
David Nathan: "The bible is absolutely clear that God is the creator. The Father ordained creation. Jesus was the creator in perfect unity with the Father.. not that God the Father was not involved in creation.." {4}
Critically, Bill seems oblivious to the fact that Jacob Prasch thoroughly agreed with David Nathan’s millennial views. Bill has never acknowledged that fact – and that was his main bone of contention!
Kristin Randles has said all kinds of wicked things against David Nathan, as recorded on my previous post {5} .
All these are the actions of a "pastor" who boasts of 40 years in the ministry!
Better is a poor person who walks in his integrity than one who is crooked in speech and is a fool. (Proverbs 19:1).
1. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2018/11/jacob-prasch-moriel-ministries-counting.html
2. https://billrandles.wordpress.com/2018/12/30/why-there-is-still-a-question-david-nathan/
3. https://www.bolm.co.za/index_htm_files/Response%20to%20Bill%20Randles%20-%20Open%20Letter.pdf
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGuCiRUvriM&t=851s
5. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/10/the-vile-arrogance-of-bill-and-kristin.html
1. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2018/11/jacob-prasch-moriel-ministries-counting.html
2. https://billrandles.wordpress.com/2018/12/30/why-there-is-still-a-question-david-nathan/
3. https://www.bolm.co.za/index_htm_files/Response%20to%20Bill%20Randles%20-%20Open%20Letter.pdf
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGuCiRUvriM&t=851s
5. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/10/the-vile-arrogance-of-bill-and-kristin.html
Tuesday 15 October 2019
MORIEL STATEMENT: JACOB PRASCH & MORIEL DISASSOCIATION FROM BILL RANDLES
Below is a statement dated the 14th of October from Moriel Ministries regarding Jacob Prasch's disassociation from Bill Randles.
I fully appreciate it when folk who are not privy to prior correspondence and communications are suddenly confronted with news of a schism between brethren who formerly stood shoulder to shoulder against the heresies confronting the modern church, and who had hitherto been friends. Both are held in high esteem by many of us, both are loved by many of us.
The decision by the Moriel Board to disassociate from Bill Randles was painful and not taken lightly. It was not the decision of Jacob Prasch alone. Moriel had long endorsed and cooperated with Bill Randles, and as similarly transpired with David Nathan, there was widespread concern over what they were teaching [DN] and promoting[BR] and understandable objection to Moriel's association with it.
By way of fact, the near collapse of Bill Randles' church in the USA that saw the resignation of all but one of his elders, his secretary, and the mass departure of members, many of whom had been with him over 25 years was something that took place well before any disagreements Moriel had with Bill Randles and transpired without any reference to, or involvement of Jacob Prasch or Moriel. These things happened on the ugliest of terms, but Moriel or Jacob Prasch were not involved in any of it.
The issues surrounding Bill Randles are broad, they precede, and go beyond the forced reaction of Moriel. Neither has the subsequent decline of Bill Randles' international ministry been in any way precipitated by or involve Moriel. The decisions of Bill Randles' videographer to resign from Bill's church, the loss of his financial sponsor for trips to Australia and New Zealand, and the loss of GCR TV - his largest YouTube platform, were all decisions of their own taken in response to the new direction Bill Randles has embarked upon.
Jacob Prasch & Moriel had nothing to do with these decisions by them to withdraw from further involvement or support of Bill Randles. It was purely his actions and their response.
Moriel & Jacob Prasch agree with Bill Randles' public labelling of David Nathan as being heretical. The video documented false teachings of David Nathan cannot be described as otherwise and Bill Randles was and is correct on this point. Moriel was therefore left perplexed by Bill Randles public attack on Jacob Prasch in support of those who were promoting the very same David Nathan that Bill Randles had called 'heretical'.
Moriel is also left perplexed by Bill Randles' recent itinerary in Australia with a figure he invited and promoted in his pulpit who propounds the view that the Two Witnesses of The Book of Revelation Chapter 11 are the 2 angels who rescued Lot in Genesis and are God The Father and God The Holy Spirit who must come in human form as Christ did, and be killed in Jerusalem. This figure has recently re-enforced this view in a 2019 video on 'Angels'. While Bill Randles admits this teaching to be false, he hosted this false teacher in his church and still partners with him, and did so only a matter of weeks ago.
Bill Randles likewise admits that the lunatic fringe false teacher Craig White whom Bill Randles also had in his pulpit teaches serious error. Yet White's material remains on Bill Randles internet platform. Meanwhile, Bill Randles' representative in New Zealand propounds the false teaching that the prophecy of Revelation chapter 12 with the Woman & Stars, The Manchild, and the dragon & serpent were fulfilled 23rd September, 2017 because 'The Moon was in Virgo".
It has been one episode after another. The Bill Randles we knew at one time would have been the first to oppose error and those who disseminate it. Now he promotes those who propagate what Bill Randles himself admits is false doctrine. Bill Randles' denunciation of the pastor of a local Calvary Chapel, to whom many of the ex-flux of refugees from his church went and sought a new home, as a 'psychopath' was in our view slanderous and defamatory.
Misplaced notions that Jacob Prasch is a heresy hunter are ridiculous. These errors are propagated in the public domain and their promoters are promoting Bill Randles who until recently was promoted by Moriel and endorsed by Jacob Prasch. The Moriel Board was left with no viable choice but to do as the majority of church and other ministry partners have done and disassociate from Bill Randles. Moriel desired or initiated none of this. It is almost unbelievable to us that someone of the calibre of Bill Randles' has gone the way he has.
A few, unable to deny the factual basis of Moriel's actions have instead resorted to the ad hominem response of charging that Jacob Prasch is harsh in his manner in confronting the proponents of error and their promoters. We can only respectfully suggest that those espousing such a view read the words of Jesus in Matthew 23 or the diatribes and polemics of The Hebrew prophets. Is their problem with Jacob Prasch or rather with The Word of God?
Like Bill Randles, Jacob Prasch battles with issues of health; specifically Lymphatic Oedema causing non dietary obesity. To function Jacob is reliant on certain meds, one of which has the side effect of oral dehydration affecting salvia secretion. He is not 'foaming at the mouth' but battling a disease. Such personal attacks only evade the factual and doctrinal issues.
With Blessings in Jesus,
MORIEL (SA)
PSALM 121
A brief observation concerning the last paragraph:
I have done a little Internet research on the subject of lymphatic oedema as the cause of non dietary obesity, and this is not the case. There are a number of causes for lymphatic oedema, obesity being one of them in the case of secondary lymphatic oedema. Obese people suffering from lymphatic oedema are advised to lose weight as it is an aggravating factor. Prasch's penchant for changing facts is truly astonishing!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4393748/
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/lymphoedema/causes/
In 2017, Prasch blamed his obesity on "lymphatic fluid" in a video 'The Sin of Gluttony' {1} Once again Prasch distorts the medical facts:
Prasch says correctly that gluttony is addressed as a serious sin in the scriptures (albeit that he falsely excludes himself), and he has previously made a passing reference to Bill Randles' obesity. Randles hypocrisy has been discussed by Mike Rogers on Closingstages: "..when you have a morbidly obese man telling you that you may not be saved because you drink or smoke pot the entire message becomes void and ineffective."{3} In particular, what kind of witnesses are morbidly obese pastors or elders i.e. those who are supposedly examples to the church (and the world)? (1 Peter 5:3).
There have been a lot of rumours going around about the situation at Bill Randles church, but nothing concrete. A previous member of Believers in Grace, Sergio Mariani, part of Randles media team, has now made a public statement. Sergio's statement corresponds with my own very unpleasant interaction with the Randles. {5}
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sqeoS3AxvI&t=571s
2. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/lymphoedema/causes/
3. https://closingstages.net/2019/09/06/bill-randles-twists-and-turns-eisgese/
4. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_corinthians/9-27.htm
5. http://moriel.org/latest/latest-news/sergio-mariani-statement-on-bill-randles-oct-13-2019.html
Firstly to the genuine brethren and sisters that I have engaged with I thank you for your prayers and petitions on behalf of Jacob and Moriel. You have shown the true Faith in maturity and Trust in The Lord Jesus and knowing the difference by Godly Discernment. The last days are upon us and only those with true insight [discernment] will have understanding.[Dan.12:10]
I fully appreciate it when folk who are not privy to prior correspondence and communications are suddenly confronted with news of a schism between brethren who formerly stood shoulder to shoulder against the heresies confronting the modern church, and who had hitherto been friends. Both are held in high esteem by many of us, both are loved by many of us.
The decision by the Moriel Board to disassociate from Bill Randles was painful and not taken lightly. It was not the decision of Jacob Prasch alone. Moriel had long endorsed and cooperated with Bill Randles, and as similarly transpired with David Nathan, there was widespread concern over what they were teaching [DN] and promoting[BR] and understandable objection to Moriel's association with it.
By way of fact, the near collapse of Bill Randles' church in the USA that saw the resignation of all but one of his elders, his secretary, and the mass departure of members, many of whom had been with him over 25 years was something that took place well before any disagreements Moriel had with Bill Randles and transpired without any reference to, or involvement of Jacob Prasch or Moriel. These things happened on the ugliest of terms, but Moriel or Jacob Prasch were not involved in any of it.
The issues surrounding Bill Randles are broad, they precede, and go beyond the forced reaction of Moriel. Neither has the subsequent decline of Bill Randles' international ministry been in any way precipitated by or involve Moriel. The decisions of Bill Randles' videographer to resign from Bill's church, the loss of his financial sponsor for trips to Australia and New Zealand, and the loss of GCR TV - his largest YouTube platform, were all decisions of their own taken in response to the new direction Bill Randles has embarked upon.
Jacob Prasch & Moriel had nothing to do with these decisions by them to withdraw from further involvement or support of Bill Randles. It was purely his actions and their response.
Moriel & Jacob Prasch agree with Bill Randles' public labelling of David Nathan as being heretical. The video documented false teachings of David Nathan cannot be described as otherwise and Bill Randles was and is correct on this point. Moriel was therefore left perplexed by Bill Randles public attack on Jacob Prasch in support of those who were promoting the very same David Nathan that Bill Randles had called 'heretical'.
Moriel is also left perplexed by Bill Randles' recent itinerary in Australia with a figure he invited and promoted in his pulpit who propounds the view that the Two Witnesses of The Book of Revelation Chapter 11 are the 2 angels who rescued Lot in Genesis and are God The Father and God The Holy Spirit who must come in human form as Christ did, and be killed in Jerusalem. This figure has recently re-enforced this view in a 2019 video on 'Angels'. While Bill Randles admits this teaching to be false, he hosted this false teacher in his church and still partners with him, and did so only a matter of weeks ago.
Bill Randles likewise admits that the lunatic fringe false teacher Craig White whom Bill Randles also had in his pulpit teaches serious error. Yet White's material remains on Bill Randles internet platform. Meanwhile, Bill Randles' representative in New Zealand propounds the false teaching that the prophecy of Revelation chapter 12 with the Woman & Stars, The Manchild, and the dragon & serpent were fulfilled 23rd September, 2017 because 'The Moon was in Virgo".
It has been one episode after another. The Bill Randles we knew at one time would have been the first to oppose error and those who disseminate it. Now he promotes those who propagate what Bill Randles himself admits is false doctrine. Bill Randles' denunciation of the pastor of a local Calvary Chapel, to whom many of the ex-flux of refugees from his church went and sought a new home, as a 'psychopath' was in our view slanderous and defamatory.
Misplaced notions that Jacob Prasch is a heresy hunter are ridiculous. These errors are propagated in the public domain and their promoters are promoting Bill Randles who until recently was promoted by Moriel and endorsed by Jacob Prasch. The Moriel Board was left with no viable choice but to do as the majority of church and other ministry partners have done and disassociate from Bill Randles. Moriel desired or initiated none of this. It is almost unbelievable to us that someone of the calibre of Bill Randles' has gone the way he has.
A few, unable to deny the factual basis of Moriel's actions have instead resorted to the ad hominem response of charging that Jacob Prasch is harsh in his manner in confronting the proponents of error and their promoters. We can only respectfully suggest that those espousing such a view read the words of Jesus in Matthew 23 or the diatribes and polemics of The Hebrew prophets. Is their problem with Jacob Prasch or rather with The Word of God?
Like Bill Randles, Jacob Prasch battles with issues of health; specifically Lymphatic Oedema causing non dietary obesity. To function Jacob is reliant on certain meds, one of which has the side effect of oral dehydration affecting salvia secretion. He is not 'foaming at the mouth' but battling a disease. Such personal attacks only evade the factual and doctrinal issues.
With Blessings in Jesus,
MORIEL (SA)
PSALM 121
A brief observation concerning the last paragraph:
I have done a little Internet research on the subject of lymphatic oedema as the cause of non dietary obesity, and this is not the case. There are a number of causes for lymphatic oedema, obesity being one of them in the case of secondary lymphatic oedema. Obese people suffering from lymphatic oedema are advised to lose weight as it is an aggravating factor. Prasch's penchant for changing facts is truly astonishing!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4393748/
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/lymphoedema/causes/
In 2017, Prasch blamed his obesity on "lymphatic fluid" in a video 'The Sin of Gluttony' {1} Once again Prasch distorts the medical facts:
NHS: "People who are obese, particularly those who are severely obese, have an increased risk of developing swollen body parts. It's not clear exactly why this is, but it's been suggested that the extra fatty tissue affects the lymphatic channels in some way, reducing the flow of fluid through them. In these cases, weight loss is an important part of treatment and even just starting to lose weight can make a big difference to the swelling." {2}
Prasch says correctly that gluttony is addressed as a serious sin in the scriptures (albeit that he falsely excludes himself), and he has previously made a passing reference to Bill Randles' obesity. Randles hypocrisy has been discussed by Mike Rogers on Closingstages: "..when you have a morbidly obese man telling you that you may not be saved because you drink or smoke pot the entire message becomes void and ineffective."{3} In particular, what kind of witnesses are morbidly obese pastors or elders i.e. those who are supposedly examples to the church (and the world)? (1 Peter 5:3).
..their god is their belly, and they glory in their shame, with minds set on earthly things. (Philippians 3:19).
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. (1 Corinthians 9:7).
Ellicott's Commentary: "..to the subduing of the appetites and passions which are located in it (the body). The true position of our natural appetites is that they should be entirely our servants, and not our masters; that we 'should not follow or be led by them,' but that they should follow and be led by us." {4}
UPDATE
There have been a lot of rumours going around about the situation at Bill Randles church, but nothing concrete. A previous member of Believers in Grace, Sergio Mariani, part of Randles media team, has now made a public statement. Sergio's statement corresponds with my own very unpleasant interaction with the Randles. {5}
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sqeoS3AxvI&t=571s
2. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/lymphoedema/causes/
3. https://closingstages.net/2019/09/06/bill-randles-twists-and-turns-eisgese/
4. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_corinthians/9-27.htm
5. http://moriel.org/latest/latest-news/sergio-mariani-statement-on-bill-randles-oct-13-2019.html
Tuesday 8 October 2019
THE ARROGANCE OF BILL AND KRISTIN RANDLES
Bill Randles breaks the scriptures by his insistence on being called "Pastor Bill".
Reading the New Testament, I notice that even the apostles were known and were referred to primarily by their personal names. They sometimes referred to themselves as "servant of Jesus Christ", and they followed their name with their calling as "an apostle" small a.
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God (2 Corinthians 1:1).
Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God.. (Romans 1:1).
Paul and Timothy, servants of Christ Jesus, (Philippians 1:1).
"I do object to being labelled a "very abusive railer" Bill.. you need to retract this insult? This is the second time you have made a false accusation against me, "feminist" being the first time.. I WOULD NOT DARE to make an accusation against a brother or sister in the Lord without citing the evidence! Do you forget that I have evidence of your wife's very abusive behaviour against David Nathan, albeit behind his back? As for Prasch's associations.. he is provably involved with proven false prophets/ecumenists David Noakes and Clifford Hill.. I do not think that you are a false teacher per se.. but you do seem to have some questionable associations and your arrogance is insupportable."
Having stated that Bill Randles is not a false teacher as far as doctrine is concerned, the personal behaviour of an elder/pastor is a critical factor for anyone in church leadership: Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers. (1 Timothy 4:16 cf. 1 Peter 2:1). Some translations have: Keep a close watch on your life and doctrine.. The Randles' habit of making unsubstantiated accusations and slandering their fellow believers is a very grave matter indeed, unacceptable in fact from people in their position.
Bill Randles responds to slander of Jacob Prasch and Moriel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jv8eJu3KbQ&t=215s
Bill Randles 2nd response to Moriel Board - Jacob Prasch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p74A2vFyG-o&feature=youtu.be
2. https://billrandles.wordpress.com/2019/10/08/to-the-moriel-board/
Reading the New Testament, I notice that even the apostles were known and were referred to primarily by their personal names. They sometimes referred to themselves as "servant of Jesus Christ", and they followed their name with their calling as "an apostle" small a.
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God (2 Corinthians 1:1).
Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God.. (Romans 1:1).
Paul and Timothy, servants of Christ Jesus, (Philippians 1:1).
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, (1 Peter 1:1).
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, (James 1:1)
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, (James 1:1)
Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and brother of James, (Jude 1:1).
One afternoon Peter and John were going up to the temple at the hour of prayer.. (Acts 3:1).
One afternoon Peter and John were going up to the temple at the hour of prayer.. (Acts 3:1).
The scriptures are clear enough surely:
For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, 6and they love the place of honour at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by others. But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. The greatest among you shall be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted. (Matthew 23:5-11).
For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, 6and they love the place of honour at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by others. But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. The greatest among you shall be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted. (Matthew 23:5-11).
I let Bill Randles first fallacious ad hominem remark pass when he called me a "feminist" on TBCKAWAII's video - Prasch Lynching Bill Randles {1} I simply responded by asking the question: Where is your evidence?
Predictably, Randles has now followed up his first insult by labelling me an "abusive reviler" along with others. {2} Once again: Where is your evidence Bill Randles.. are you attempting to pass off ad hominem remarks as acceptable Christian practice? Once again, you break the scriptures by making accusations you are not prepared to back up with specific examples and facts. (2 Corinthians 13:1).
I have left a response on Randles recent blog post.. but I doubt that he will he publish it:
"I do object to being labelled a "very abusive railer" Bill.. you need to retract this insult? This is the second time you have made a false accusation against me, "feminist" being the first time.. I WOULD NOT DARE to make an accusation against a brother or sister in the Lord without citing the evidence! Do you forget that I have evidence of your wife's very abusive behaviour against David Nathan, albeit behind his back? As for Prasch's associations.. he is provably involved with proven false prophets/ecumenists David Noakes and Clifford Hill.. I do not think that you are a false teacher per se.. but you do seem to have some questionable associations and your arrogance is insupportable."
Having stated that Bill Randles is not a false teacher as far as doctrine is concerned, the personal behaviour of an elder/pastor is a critical factor for anyone in church leadership: Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers. (1 Timothy 4:16 cf. 1 Peter 2:1). Some translations have: Keep a close watch on your life and doctrine.. The Randles' habit of making unsubstantiated accusations and slandering their fellow believers is a very grave matter indeed, unacceptable in fact from people in their position.
If I absolutely must expose a sample of the horrible behaviour of both Bill and Kristin Randles, then let it be so. The conversation I had with Kristin begs the question: Who actually is the reviler? I have not published this material previously because I wanted to spare David Nathan further pain. Please bear in mind that Kristin Randles said these things to me as a complete stranger.. I had no prior exchange with her prior to the communication below:
Bill Randles responds to slander of Jacob Prasch and Moriel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jv8eJu3KbQ&t=215s
Bill Randles 2nd response to Moriel Board - Jacob Prasch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p74A2vFyG-o&feature=youtu.be
Sunday 1 September 2019
BILL RANDLES CONTINUED VILIFICATION OF DAVID NATHAN!
I have moved this post from December 2018 to the current date rather than writing again. Bill Randles has decided to revive his vilification of David Nathan due to his break with Jacob Prasch. https://billrandles.wordpress.com/2019/08/31/an-odd-deference/
This is why I cannot deal with Bill Randles.. he is totally disingenuous. He clearly did not speak to David Nathan about the Blood of Jesus during the millennium, or in fact any other issue prior to the Q&A session(s)! Incidentally, I am only aware of one Q&A session.
For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. (Mathew 7:2).
Having declared his "epiphany" in December 2018, Bill Randles quickly reverted back to type and continued to drag David Nathan's name through the mud!
JUST THREE DAYS LATER:
"Why There Is Still A Question... (David Nathan)
https://billrandles.wordpress.com/2018/12/30/why-there-is-still-a-question-david-nathan/?fbclid=IwAR1qlTIN1rXDrrGh7M3NZgJrTr1efL2iDcE8ExILmpLPwHBfPd7UEDfvD6E
Bill Randles:
So what is my problem? Why haven’t I ‘forgiven ‘ him? *
My problem is that David has never explained why he said such an outrageous thing in the first place, and I have never heard him once specifically repudiate it. "In my view, the original issue which triggered all of this boils down to two statements of David Nathan’s;
“ The blood of Jesus will not profit anyone anything in the Millennium” and the twin statement in which Nathan strongly asserts that the blood sacrifices offered in the Millennium are in no way memorial. In other words, they do not point back to the cross of Jesus, as the Lord’s Supper does.
” God the Father did not Create anything”...
Lets go over the facts again shall we?
David Nathan has explained that his statement about the Blood of Jesus was badly expressed and that he was not succinct etc.
David Nathan: "The statement which I should not have made but rather should have sought to express myself very differently and that folk have objected to is, “The Blood of Jesus will not profit anyone, anything in the Millennium.” In using this phrase, which I regret, I was not stating that the Blood of Jesus does not cleanse in all ages as this would be a clear violation of scripture. His blood alone can take away sin and every sacrifice from Genesis 3:21, when the Lord clothed Adam and Eve in tunics of skin to the sacrifices of the Millennium all point to Jesus. In the teaching I kept using the word atone to describe the purpose of the millennial sacrifices in the sense that they do not remove sin but cover sin. I reiterate again that I do not teach nor believe that the sin of an animal or animals can ever remove sin. Not under the Old Testament, not now nor in the age to come. Only the Blood of Jesus can remove sin both now and forever, including the millennium. This is and has always been what I have believed though I did not express it succinctly in the series on Eschatology."
https://www.bolm.co.za/index_htm_files/Response%20to%20Bill%20Randles%20-%20Open%20Letter.pdf
Jacob Prasch: "Once the harpazo transpires, the Lord will refocus His primary intentions on the salvation of Israel, although not salvation in the sense that we understand it, not by grace, it will ?? revert back to the Old Testament way of dealing with man and the nations." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPNqKXRC8c0&feature=youtu.be
Why has David Nathan been singled out as a "heretic" by Bill Randles, and why has Jacob Prasch, who has also mis-taught the millennium, been excluded from his remarks? (Proverbs 28:21). In the meantime, although he had a complete month to do so, Bill Randles said he "hadn't had time" to examine Prasch's dubious intra-seal teachings including "Counting the Omer", and statements like "the Holy Spirit will not be in the world during the 70th week of Daniel", "Pentecost is reversed", etc. It would take perhaps an hour at the most for an experienced bible scholar/teacher to examine intra-seal and to find that it is utterly false. So what is the agenda?
I left Bill Randles a couple of messages on his FB page today 31st December 2018:
This is why I cannot deal with Bill Randles.. he is totally disingenuous. He clearly did not speak to David Nathan about the Blood of Jesus during the millennium, or in fact any other issue prior to the Q&A session(s)! Incidentally, I am only aware of one Q&A session.
For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. (Mathew 7:2).
Having declared his "epiphany" in December 2018, Bill Randles quickly reverted back to type and continued to drag David Nathan's name through the mud!
JUST THREE DAYS LATER:
"Why There Is Still A Question... (David Nathan)
https://billrandles.wordpress.com/2018/12/30/why-there-is-still-a-question-david-nathan/?fbclid=IwAR1qlTIN1rXDrrGh7M3NZgJrTr1efL2iDcE8ExILmpLPwHBfPd7UEDfvD6E
Bill Randles:
So what is my problem? Why haven’t I ‘forgiven ‘ him? *
My problem is that David has never explained why he said such an outrageous thing in the first place, and I have never heard him once specifically repudiate it. "In my view, the original issue which triggered all of this boils down to two statements of David Nathan’s;
“ The blood of Jesus will not profit anyone anything in the Millennium” and the twin statement in which Nathan strongly asserts that the blood sacrifices offered in the Millennium are in no way memorial. In other words, they do not point back to the cross of Jesus, as the Lord’s Supper does.
” God the Father did not Create anything”...
Lets go over the facts again shall we?
David Nathan has explained that his statement about the Blood of Jesus was badly expressed and that he was not succinct etc.
David Nathan: "The statement which I should not have made but rather should have sought to express myself very differently and that folk have objected to is, “The Blood of Jesus will not profit anyone, anything in the Millennium.” In using this phrase, which I regret, I was not stating that the Blood of Jesus does not cleanse in all ages as this would be a clear violation of scripture. His blood alone can take away sin and every sacrifice from Genesis 3:21, when the Lord clothed Adam and Eve in tunics of skin to the sacrifices of the Millennium all point to Jesus. In the teaching I kept using the word atone to describe the purpose of the millennial sacrifices in the sense that they do not remove sin but cover sin. I reiterate again that I do not teach nor believe that the sin of an animal or animals can ever remove sin. Not under the Old Testament, not now nor in the age to come. Only the Blood of Jesus can remove sin both now and forever, including the millennium. This is and has always been what I have believed though I did not express it succinctly in the series on Eschatology."
https://www.bolm.co.za/index_htm_files/Response%20to%20Bill%20Randles%20-%20Open%20Letter.pdf
David Nathan: "The bible is absolutely clear that God is the creator. The Father ordained creation. Jesus was the creator in perfect unity with the Father.. not that God the Father was not involved in creation.." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGuCiRUvriM&t=851s
The irony is that in October 2016 both Jacob Prasch and David Nathan mis-taught the millennium at Community Church Devore in Southern California. At this meeting, Jacob Prasch, David Nathan and Marco Quintana were all in complete agreement: After the rapture of the church, the age of grace comes to an end.
Jacob Prasch: "Once the harpazo transpires, the Lord will refocus His primary intentions on the salvation of Israel, although not salvation in the sense that we understand it, not by grace, it will ?? revert back to the Old Testament way of dealing with man and the nations." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPNqKXRC8c0&feature=youtu.be
Why has David Nathan been singled out as a "heretic" by Bill Randles, and why has Jacob Prasch, who has also mis-taught the millennium, been excluded from his remarks? (Proverbs 28:21). In the meantime, although he had a complete month to do so, Bill Randles said he "hadn't had time" to examine Prasch's dubious intra-seal teachings including "Counting the Omer", and statements like "the Holy Spirit will not be in the world during the 70th week of Daniel", "Pentecost is reversed", etc. It would take perhaps an hour at the most for an experienced bible scholar/teacher to examine intra-seal and to find that it is utterly false. So what is the agenda?
I left Bill Randles a couple of messages on his FB page today 31st December 2018:
Monday 15 April 2019
CLOSINGSTAGES: FACT CHECKING BILL RANDLES
The facts speak for themselves!
Bill Randles email to Mike Rogers (excerpt):
I challenge you to show me one instance of me abusing David Nathan in any way shape or form. I am a friend of the Nathan’s and still count myself to be so, and have never abused him in writing or otherwise. (I am sure he himself would affirm this, so I am copying him). .
The full text of Bill Randles email to Mike Rogers can be found on: https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/04/closingstages-bill-randles-re-jacob.html
David Nathan’s email to Bill Randles:
Dear Bill
In response to the email you copied me in on.
As a friend of mine can you please explain to me the following,
Why you never sent me a copy of the open letter you wrote on your blog in October 2018 but I had to find out about it some time later through third parties?
Why you deleted my response to that blog three times in the comments section as if I had not responded at all? I attached a link to my response in order to refresh your memory (https://www.bolm.co.za/index_htm_files/Response%20to%20Bill%20Randles%20-%20Open%20Letter.pdf)
Why to date you still have not responded to my email from December 2018 in which I asked you to explain where my doctrine was heretical? An email you acknowledged that you received but have never responded to.
Why you have not retracted the accusation that Kristin, your wife, made on a Facebook group, writing in both your names, in which she said that I was involved in the church spilt at your church when in fact the complete opposite was true and I tried to get all parties to meet and resolve their issues?
Why you have publicly stated that on three or four occasions you privately spoke to me warning me about my doctrine when I can emphatically state that we have never once had any such conversations? You only ever made a comment once and that was when I did a Q&A with Jacob at your church. You said that there cannot be salvation outside of the blood of Jesus. I agreed with your statement as that is what I believe and teach if you listen to my teaching and not edited clips from Moriel.
Why on social media you continued to call me a heretic?
Why my daughter, without my knowledge at the time, had to plead with you to stop your involvement in the attacks against me?
Why you allowed Al Pileggi, a very questionable character to use your church facilities to film his videos titled “Please David Nathan” which Moriel then used to further vilify me?(https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMC66VQDVYzRYPHlccdQDlg)
Why you made a video with Amos Farrell and others before ever trying to contact me and asking me to explain my actual doctrinal views instead of believing an audio clip, taken way out of context, posted by Farrell that was less than 20 seconds of an entire teaching? Your own statement of faith and I quote states, “We believe that Jesus Christ is our Creator…” That is precisely the point that I made in the teaching for which I have been vilified.
I chose to remove myself from this debacle when I finally realised that Moriel and others had no desire to meet and resolve this whole affair but rather sought my destruction. I never would have thought that you would have conducted yourself the way you have in all this. I did at one point consider you a friend but I am struggling to reconcile our friendship with your conduct throughout this whole business. I have never treated a friend the way I have been treated by you and others. For that matter, I have never treated a fellow believer the way that I have been treated by you. Perhaps my understanding of friendship is very different to you and others.
Hopefully in time we can be true friends again.
Wow. Yes I can, I am happy to, but not until after We have church- Pastor Bill Randles.
Bill Randles <pastorbillrandles@gmail.com>
It has been brought to my attention that Bill Randles has been in touch with David Nathan. Those emails have not been released. It is my prayer that both men can work their differences out.
https://closingstages.net/2019/04/15/fact-checking-bill-randles/
Bill Randles email to Mike Rogers (excerpt):
I challenge you to show me one instance of me abusing David Nathan in any way shape or form. I am a friend of the Nathan’s and still count myself to be so, and have never abused him in writing or otherwise. (I am sure he himself would affirm this, so I am copying him). .
The full text of Bill Randles email to Mike Rogers can be found on: https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/04/closingstages-bill-randles-re-jacob.html
David Nathan’s email to Bill Randles:
Dear Bill
In response to the email you copied me in on.
As a friend of mine can you please explain to me the following,
Why you never sent me a copy of the open letter you wrote on your blog in October 2018 but I had to find out about it some time later through third parties?
Why you deleted my response to that blog three times in the comments section as if I had not responded at all? I attached a link to my response in order to refresh your memory (https://www.bolm.co.za/index_htm_files/Response%20to%20Bill%20Randles%20-%20Open%20Letter.pdf)
Why to date you still have not responded to my email from December 2018 in which I asked you to explain where my doctrine was heretical? An email you acknowledged that you received but have never responded to.
Why you have not retracted the accusation that Kristin, your wife, made on a Facebook group, writing in both your names, in which she said that I was involved in the church spilt at your church when in fact the complete opposite was true and I tried to get all parties to meet and resolve their issues?
Why you have publicly stated that on three or four occasions you privately spoke to me warning me about my doctrine when I can emphatically state that we have never once had any such conversations? You only ever made a comment once and that was when I did a Q&A with Jacob at your church. You said that there cannot be salvation outside of the blood of Jesus. I agreed with your statement as that is what I believe and teach if you listen to my teaching and not edited clips from Moriel.
Why on social media you continued to call me a heretic?
Why my daughter, without my knowledge at the time, had to plead with you to stop your involvement in the attacks against me?
Why you allowed Al Pileggi, a very questionable character to use your church facilities to film his videos titled “Please David Nathan” which Moriel then used to further vilify me?(https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMC66VQDVYzRYPHlccdQDlg)
Why you made a video with Amos Farrell and others before ever trying to contact me and asking me to explain my actual doctrinal views instead of believing an audio clip, taken way out of context, posted by Farrell that was less than 20 seconds of an entire teaching? Your own statement of faith and I quote states, “We believe that Jesus Christ is our Creator…” That is precisely the point that I made in the teaching for which I have been vilified.
I chose to remove myself from this debacle when I finally realised that Moriel and others had no desire to meet and resolve this whole affair but rather sought my destruction. I never would have thought that you would have conducted yourself the way you have in all this. I did at one point consider you a friend but I am struggling to reconcile our friendship with your conduct throughout this whole business. I have never treated a friend the way I have been treated by you and others. For that matter, I have never treated a fellow believer the way that I have been treated by you. Perhaps my understanding of friendship is very different to you and others.
Hopefully in time we can be true friends again.
David Nathan
Bill Randles Response to David Nathan:
Sun 4/14/2019 9:26 AM Wow. Yes I can, I am happy to, but not until after We have church- Pastor Bill Randles.
Bill Randles <pastorbillrandles@gmail.com>
It has been brought to my attention that Bill Randles has been in touch with David Nathan. Those emails have not been released. It is my prayer that both men can work their differences out.
https://closingstages.net/2019/04/15/fact-checking-bill-randles/
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