Session 4 - Saturday 3rd November 2018
Working while we still have the light {1}
Prasch's recent session on Counting the Omer is yet another one of his novel teachings. He refers to the Emmaus Road events in Luke 24 as taking place on the second day of the Omer a number of times, specifically at 13:20-16:30 and 34:50 minutes into the video, even writing it on his white board. If we simply read the scriptures for ourselves we can very easily ascertain that Prasch is inaccurate.
The Counting of the Omer (Hebrew: ספירת העומר, Sefirat HaOmer) begins on the second day, each evening after sundown, between sundown and midnight. The scriptures confirm that the Emmaus Road events happened on the first day of the week i.e. the day of the resurrection (Luke 24:1), not the second day: "Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem." (Luke 24:13). As they approached their destination they strongly urged Jesus: “Stay with us, for it is toward evening and the day is now far spent.” (Luke 24:28-29). Gill surmised that it was around four or five o'clock in the afternoon. {2}
Prasch's recent session on Counting the Omer is yet another one of his novel teachings. He refers to the Emmaus Road events in Luke 24 as taking place on the second day of the Omer a number of times, specifically at 13:20-16:30 and 34:50 minutes into the video, even writing it on his white board. If we simply read the scriptures for ourselves we can very easily ascertain that Prasch is inaccurate.
The Counting of the Omer (Hebrew: ספירת העומר, Sefirat HaOmer) begins on the second day, each evening after sundown, between sundown and midnight. The scriptures confirm that the Emmaus Road events happened on the first day of the week i.e. the day of the resurrection (Luke 24:1), not the second day: "Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem." (Luke 24:13). As they approached their destination they strongly urged Jesus: “Stay with us, for it is toward evening and the day is now far spent.” (Luke 24:28-29). Gill surmised that it was around four or five o'clock in the afternoon. {2}
It was the first day of the week, and that very evening, while the disciples were together with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them. “Peace be with you!” He said to them.… (John 20:18).
Again, the first day is emphasised in the scriptures! A Jewish day goes from nightfall to nightfall. Specific mention of the first day from the Jewish writer of John confirms that it was not yet nightfall:
According to Matthew Poole's Commentary: "Luke expounds this verse, Luke 24:29, where the two disciples told Christ it was towards evening, and the day was far spent; for the Jews called the afternoon evening, as well as the time after sunset; and John tells us expressly, it was yet the first day of the week. This appearance is unquestionably the same mentioned in Luke, Luke 24:36." {3}
Prasch proceeds to place Jesus' revelation to doubting Thomas on the seventh day. (18:00 minutes). However, the scriptures tell us that it was eight days later i.e. eight days after the first day. (John 20:26).
Prasch's white board |
Prasch shifts the Emmaus Road events to the second day of the Omer because it is crucial to his argument, or rather, his false eschatological concoction, linking the Counting of the Omer to the tribulation. As a supposed expert on Judaism, I do not believe it is possible that Prasch has made a simple error!
Prasch: "The presence of the Lord in the churches is going to become more scarce as we proceed into the Omer." (33:00 minutes) WHAT!!! (2 Corinthians 11:4; John 10:10).
For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.” (Matthew 18:20).
And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” (Matthew 28:20).
Precisely what "darkness" is Prasch referring to in the following statement?
Precisely what "darkness" is Prasch referring to in the following statement?
"During the Omer they were in a transitional state.. He had not left them yet, the darkness had not come, but he was not around as much day to day as he had been. He shows up ten times on special events on certain days of the Omer.." (33:05 minutes).
There was no darkness after Jesus' resurrection:
14Afterward he appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at table, and he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who saw him after he had risen. 15And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.” 19So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God. 20And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the message by accompanying signs.]] (Mark 16: 14-20).
Prasch's proposal that Jesus' disciples did not recognise him because they did not know prophecy is grossly inadequate. Prasch: "They were not into the scripture comprehensively as a whole divine revelation and literary unit and they were ignoring prophecy. As a result they couldn't recognise him. .. this will be the state of the church during the coming Omer…" (27:00 minutes)
Prasch puts all the emphasis on the disciples ignorance of prophecy, but the scriptures also say: But their eyes were kept from recognizing him. (Luke 24:16).
The Greek: but their eyes were prevented (ἐκρατοῦντο) from recognising him.
εκρατουντο verb - imperfect passive indicative - third person
Strong's 2902: to be strong, rule {4}
"Mary of Magdala did not recognise Him (John 20:14), nor the disciples on the Lake (John 21:4). The same thing is evidently implied in Luke 24:37 and in Matthew 28:17; and it exactly accords with the clear indications that the Resurrection Body of our Lord was a Glorified Body of which the conditions transcended those of ordinary mortality. It is emphasized in Mark 16:12, where we are told that He was manifested in a different form from that which He had worn before." {5}
"The antithesis is in Luke 24:31, διηνοίχθησαν, their eyes were opened." {5}
Prasch: "The state of the way things were in Emmaus is the way it is going to be towards the end of the age... they will need a real quick crash course. This will take place during the Omer...."
Are there any valid comparisons between the Omer and the tribulation?
The tribulation lasts for 3.5 years/1260 days (cut short) and so we cannot compare the two in numerical terms.
The Omer has been fulfilled by Jesus Christ - the firstfruits. (1 Corinthians 15:23). Gill: "It shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations; until the Messiah came, who is the substance of these shadows.." {6}
The Omer counts the forty-nine days between the Passover and Shavuot (Leviticus 23:15–16).The Counting of the Omer begins on the second day, not on the first day. In the Old Testament, an omer i.e. a measure of grain, was offered in the Temple on the second day of Passover (Pesach).
Pentecost is literally 50 days from the resurrection, coinciding with the day after Pesach, the day of the wave offering. The disciples disappointment and despondency was dispelled on the first day, the day of Jesus' resurrection. (Mark 16:10).
During the tribulation there will not be despondency and disappointment. For many who are unprepared there will be anger and outright rebellion... many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. (Matthew 24:10). The mark of the beast will be implemented at some point, after which people will not be able to buy or sell. (Revelation 13:17). I think it will be too late for a "crash course" in bible prophecy. Believers will suffer terrible persecution and be put to death. (Matthew 24:9). After the Antichrist is revealed at the mid point of the 70th week of Daniel, things will change for the worse very quickly! (Matthew 24:9; Revelation 12:12). The bible talks about it being too late for the foolish virgins with no oil. (Matthew 25:1-13). None of these events prophesied by Jesus Himself fits into an Omer scenario!
WORK or WALK?
Moriel Scottish Conference title: Work while you have the light... "for night is coming when no one can work." The verse: "WALK while you have the light.." (John 12:35).
So Jesus said to them, "For a little while longer the Light is among you. Walk (περιπατέω) while you have the Light, so that darkness will not overtake you; he who walks in the darkness does not know where he goes. (John 12:35).
περιπατέω = I walk, hence Hebraistically (in an ethical sense): I conduct my life, live.
Half of verse John 9:4 - "for night is coming when no one can work." . John 9:4. The "works" Jesus refers to are his miracles? i.e. the miracle of healing the man born blind:
1As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. 2And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him. 4We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming, when no one can work. 5As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.” 6Having said these things, he spit on the ground and made mud with the saliva. Then he anointed the man’s eyes with the mud 7and said to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam” (which means Sent). So he went and washed and came back seeing. (John 9:1-6 cf. John 4:34).
This is what we are up against with Prasch... he cleverly replaces just one word scripture and tags on half a verse - he then integrates it into his demonic end time teaching!
I do appeal once again to Prasch's followers to be Bereans for their own sakes. (Acts 17:11).
For basic information about Counting the Omer, Wikipedia is a good site:
{2} https://biblehub.com/commentaries/gill/luke/24.htm
{3} https://biblehub.com/commentaries/john/20-19.htm
{4} https://biblehub.com/greek/2902.htm
{5} https://biblehub.com/esv/luke/24.htm
{6} https://biblehub.com/commentaries/gill/leviticus/23.htm
I have followed the teachings of Brother Jacob Prasch for a few years now and have found him to be a great blessing to expose the apostasy in most of modern Christendom. To call him a false prophet and a wolf in sheep's clothing is quite slanderous. He has stated on numerous occasions that if he is wrong on something he welcomes correction. I have yet to see any teacher with a passion for truth like Brother Prasch. If you find problems in what he says, why don't you contact him directly and discuss these perceived problems with him. Instead you just accuse him outright of being a false teacher. No one among us can lay claim to having flawless understanding of Scripture, but perhaps you think of yourself this way. And Brother Prasch does not claim to be the ultimate authority on Scripture. But his fluency in Hebrew and vast knowledge of Jewish history does qualify him to teach.
ReplyDeleteIf you would examine Prasch's intra-seal teaching Tom you will find that it is a denial of the Holy Spirit. I have attempted to question him on this in the past and he became quite hostile and has since slandered me. BTW I do not think I have a perfect understanding of the scriptures at all. I do invite Prasch again to respond to these intra-seal concerns biblically, and also to respond to this false teaching about the Omer. I have recently asked Bill Randles to step in and give his thoughts on these false teachings. God bless.
ReplyDeletePrasch doesn’t welcome correction, Tom. Far from it. I suggest you read all Treena’s articles on Prasch and all the comments. After that fact check his teachings on intra seal, his stance on the identity of the restrainer (who is NOT identified explicitly in the scriptures whatever he says) and his extra biblical ideas about women. I too once thought very highly of Prasch and had regard for his knowledge but now after much study I have distanced myself from his ministry. When I think of Jacob Prasch I am reminded of Ecclesiastes 10:1 Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary to send forth a stinking savour: so doth a little folly him that is in reputation for wisdom and honour.
ReplyDeleteHi Treena,
ReplyDeleteMike from Australia here. I have listened to JP and although he has many good things to say, I now proceed with caution. 30+ years in charismstic error followed by two years with Calvinists has made me very wary and resigned to a life out of church.
I have read the vitriolic tirade by JP which was directed against Deborah at Discerning the World, a good discernment website based in South Africa. It is not a good sign when a Christian teacher is not open to correction from a godly person who is using scripture to point out error. None of us should be above this. If we think the person is wrong, we should respond in a godly manner and appreciate their concern even if we believe they are the ones in error.
I appreciate your website and the way in which you expose what you perceive to be false teaching, which is at epidemic levels at this time. I greatly value your stand against Calvinism, which I believe to be a false gospel which is often hard to discern as it is surrounded by scriptural soundness in other areas.
I am sorry to hear that JP has slandered you, but I am very aware that you realize yoy are not the first. Your blogs are diplomatically presented and biblically soubd. Tbey are of great encouragement to believers such as me and I am grateful to Our Lord for your efforts on behalf of the beleaguered remnant.
I agree that Prasch does say many true things Mike. This is the reason that he has gained the trust of believers who are not prepared to test everything he teaches, especially eschatology.
ReplyDeleteI have read Prasch's tirade against Deborah at Discerning the World. I do not agree with Deborah's theology at all. Having said that, I can only describe Prasch's vitriol as completely unacceptable.
It is of no consequence to me that Prasch has slandered me. The Lord sees everything that we do and say and I have given the matter into His hands.
Thank you so much for your thoughts and for your encouragement.
God bless.
Thanks Treena. I do not agree with absolutely everything at DTW, but find most of it sound and Deborah and Tom friendly and polite. They certainly expose the errors and ungodliness of JP and others like John Macarthur, who are placed on pedestals by many immature believers.
ReplyDeleteI believe in eternal security to a point, but I do agree with JP that a believer can reject Christ and walk away from Him. Dying in this state must surely be dangerous to one's eternal welfare. I once heard a Calvinist say that Demas was still attending church after departing from Paul (!). It is not revealed if Demas repented but we do know that anyone who loves this present world does not have the love of God in him/her. The warnings regarding apostasy become meaningless if no saved person can fall away, in fact the very word 'apostasy' ceases to mean what it means. I believe I was saved in the charismatic movement in 1981,but swiftly exposed to another spirit, Christ and gospel which put me at great risk of apostasy. Thankfully, that did not happen but I fear for friends in this movement who will not listen to reason (and scripture) and wonder (a) are they really born again? ;&/or (b) have they crossed a line and apostasized?. I continue to pray for them. Those saved in this false movement are, I believe, in the minority and at ever increasing risk of apostasy. Copeland's embracing of the Pope jolted me and made me stand back and prayerfully examine what I had been believing in and teaching others (I had been a Tulsa Rhema graduate and pastor, much to my shame).
Anyway, I am curious to hear your thoughts. Could you also please correct the typos in my post above this one? It should read 'charismatic', 'you' and 'sound'. Thank you Treena and may the Lord strengthen and bless you. Mike
Hi Mike..
ReplyDeleteIt is not possible to correct typos in the comments. The only way it can be done is to delete the original comment and start again. Could you post a new comment and I will delete that one? I hate to see my own typos - when that happens I delete the original and repost my corrected comment.
I believe that you can lose your salvation.. even though it is "eternal". I think that the word "eternal" is misused somewhat by those who believe in eternal security.
1 Timothy 4:1-2 “Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in
hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron.”
Paul: "..some will depart from the faith" which means that they must have been in the faith to begin with.
If I remember correctly, Discerning the World is staunchly pre-trib rapture, and they also reject the Nephilim problem. As you probably know, I am convinced about the pre-wrath rapture view. As distasteful as the subject is, there is much evidence for the existence of the Nephilim giants. I think many OT questions are answered - especially when God commands everything to be completely destroyed, even animals on some occasions. Anyway I won't get into that now.
https://nephilimfiles.blogspot.com/
God bless.
, תְּמִימֹת תִּהְיֶינָה. 15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the day of rest, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the waving; seven weeks shall there be complete;
ReplyDeleteטז עַד מִמָּחֳרַת הַשַּׁבָּת הַשְּׁבִיעִת, תִּסְפְּרוּ חֲמִשִּׁים יוֹם; וְהִקְרַבְתֶּם מִנְחָה חֲדָשָׁה, לַיהוָה. 16 even unto the morrow after the seventh week shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall present a new meal-offering unto the LORD.