PRASCH CRASH

Not before time, both Joshua Chavez (Servus Christi) and Amos Farrell (RTN) have cut ties with Jacob Prasch and Moriel Minstries. I thank God for these latest developments, and I pray that this wicked man's stranglehold on certain parts of the the Body of Christ will finally cease to be.  

Why I Can No Longer Endorse Jacob Prasch & Moriel Ministries | Servus Christi

Final RTN and Moriel message with Apology - RTN TV

Moriel's Response:

The Board of Moriel finds itself baffled by a recent list of 8 conjectured charges, none having any real proof against Moriel, a range of figures including our board & John Haller and above all Jacob Prasch by Joshua Chavez massively circulated by email. A previous edict by Joshua Chavez was noted and discussed last March. The content of these allegations are ironically borrowed from statements by Joshua Chavez' own internet enemies and include charges often levelled against Joshua Chavez himself, such as obsessive conflict.
Given his own history of cyber warfare with Justin Peters, John Mac Arthur, JD Hall and many others, it is bewildering why he would attribute behavior to another that many others have openly ascribed to him. Indeed, his own propensity for conflict led Moriel from restricting Social Media postings by Joshua Chavez on Moriel platforms. It is public knowledge that Jacob Prasch came under unbelievably cruel attack on the internet for being supportive of Joshua Chavez in his marital dilemma, with Jacob even being accused of the felony as accessory to human trafficking by Joshua Chavez. Jacob Prasch willingly took the cyber bullets for Joshua Chavez out of personal loyalty because Joshua Chavez had so often been loyal to Jacob Prasch. This has left us confused, but we will respond to these 8 distortions and fabrications for the sake of the dozens of the recipients Joshua Chavez has sought to drag into this fiasco.
1. It is no secret that while opposing Jacob Prasch & Moriel since their promotion of David Nathan whom most deemed heretical, Studio Scotland, despite desperate pleading to cease, has continued to sell videos featuring Jacob Prasch while denouncing him. No one wants any of this and it could all have ended if Stuart & Deborah Menelaws of Studio Scotland simply stopped selling them. We cannot see this grievance as obsessive. When Joshua Chavez provided Moriel with the identity of tbc. kawaii, a relentless harasser from the Asian gay fetishist 'Kawaii' (Cutie) movement, Moriel did not pursue exposure of this individuals hidden identity on Facebook as Joshua Chavez suggested, but only sent copies to anyone contacting us. One posted a redaction of it and contacted Moriel (their identity remains unknown to Jacob Prasch). Moriel only requested a disclaimer that Moriel does not hate homosexuals be added. This has proved wise as two weeks ago tbc.Kawaii posted an attack on Jacob Prasch as a 'homophobe' and labelling Moriel as a cult for being homophobic. Not until tbc.Kawaii began recent attacks on Jacob's wife & family did he even refer to tbc.Kawaii in the public domain.
2. At no time did Moriel post or commission any spoof web sites to be posted by anyone or against anyone. We did not even know who was doing some of these things (Studio Scotland has other adversaries). While he did it in support of Jacob Prasch, it was in fact
Joshua Chavez himself who posted photos of the Menlaws with 666 and wads of money. We did not object, but Joshua Chavez did it. By his own admission, Joshua Chavez misrepresented himself on the internet in his attacks as a woman named 'Lydia', to which his critics have taken repeated offence. Why Joshua Chavez accosts us for things we did not do, but himself admits he did is absurd.
3. Joshua Chavez comparing a certain Christian woman named Linda M., who is not a Moriel team member (but is known to us) to the demonized witch in Acts Chapter 16 is a serious insult to her and to her husband, and an outrage. She is not that or anything like it.
4. We have never seen anything in regard to Studio Scotland that can be called a death threat, and even if there had been, it was nothing to do with us. The police have never contacted us nor anyone we know about a crime that never even transpired.
5. When Jacob Prasch & Moriel reacted to David Nathan's teaching such as "God The Father is Not The Creator", and 'animal blood will atone for sin in the Millennium', David Nathan's supporters began to defend his heretical teaching on the basis of him being fully Jewish while Jacob Prasch is not. This led to an ugly tirade of accusations of Jacob having a forged Passport ID, false DNA reports, and falsified Israeli ID. His family was also harassed. The Moriel board instructed Jacob not to display any private documentation in the public domain. Joshua Chavez takes issue with Jacob describing his father's family of 'Jewish ancestry', while he as a half Mexican would not describe himself as being of Mexican descent. "Jewish' of course is both a religion and an ethnicity. Jacob's testimony has been published for years. While his wife and children are Israeli Jewish Christians, he is not. Apart from being sent with his siblings to a Jewish community centre Jacob has no cultural or religious Jewish background whatsoever. Jacob’s mother was Roman Catholic and forced him to attend Catholic school against his own wishes. The public data however through Ancestry.com and Jewish Buriels.org are already in the public domain. The accusation by Joshua Chavez' own enemy Chris Rosebrough is that although the family name was the common Jewish name 'Brasch' changed to 'Prasch', and that Jacob Prasch is not from the Prasch line of former Jewish line of the Brasch family. The online Jewish burial records indicate otherwise (which is likely why the Jewish Agency gave Jacob a Jewish ID immigration certificate in Israel (of which a renewal was shown online). While most Jewish birth & death records were destroyed in the purge of German Jewish records by the Nazis, grave markers remained even in most desecrated Jewish cemeteries. Claims by Joshua Chavez that these burial records were provided by a lady named Ursula are mistaken, these records are available on the internet.
JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry - Germany
Ursula and Linda MacIntyre did however do Jewish research at ancestry.com into Jacob Prasch's family (documented Jews named: Wrecklin, Brasch, and Goldbeck), but Jacob had almost no prior knowledge of them and requested they not be web posted. Jacob Prasch states: "I and my father were named for 'Jakob Prasch' who died 14 years before my father was born ". The name was Anglicized to James, but switched back to Jacob when I immigrated to Israel. This proved consistent with the public records available on ancestry.com
David Nathan's wife and children are not Jewish (by rabbinic law). That does not however make his family either less Christian or less Jewish. Ethnicity does not determine whose doctrine was right and whose was wrong.
6. Jacob Prasch's personal business affairs are none of Joshua Chavez' business. Except that Moriel has benefited from the commercial licensing of domain names, Jacob's private business has nothing to do with Moriel. The insinuation however, that Jacob Prasch financed the private education his children with funds taken from Moriel is as ridiculous as it is defamatory. The audited accounts from those years at that time, 18 to 25 years ago, indicates that Moriel did not have that kind of money then; it often struggled to remain solvent in earlier years. We all know this.
7. Implied suggestions of financial impropriety by Moriel is baseless and sleazy gossip mongering. All of Moriel's accounts are audited and in complete compliance with American & British law. It was discovered in a posthumous audit that a now deceased Moriel administrator in Australia did engage in embezzlement several years ago. This has long since been corrected and it was the action of a single individual and nothing systematic within the ministry. Jacob Prasch donates all royalties for the sale of his books and recoded materials to the ministry.
By law, all 'Specified Donations' (USA), and 'Designated Funds'(UK) must be paid to, or used exclusively for the purpose for which they were contributed. This includes mission funds (for India, Israel, Africa, Thailand, etc.,), and love offerings or honorariums to individuals (including Jacob Prasch). These normally must go through the books and bank accounts of the ministry. Re-donated income of any team members are their personal affair in terms of amounts. All revenue of book and media sales are used for the ministries work.
When Joshua Chavez was a part time member of the Moriel Team as a videographer and in video production, he was paid $750 per month (he did a competent job). Joshua never objected to receiving payment for his work while at the same time saying Christian pastors and leaders should not be paid, which is not scriptural. His belief concerning paid pastors and leaders is based on a misinterpretation of 1 Corinthians 14 which he states there are no pastors or elders again which is not scriptural.
His other views that there are no sermons in scripture, only 'teaching', is also doctrinal error (dideskein is teaching, and homila is a sermon).
8. The Castigation of the Moriel Board for not doing more to restrict Jacob Prasch and allow 'sin' begs two questions: What sin? Joshua Chavez insinuates, but where is the sin he only conjectures which he expects to be accepted as fact.
* Where is Joshua Chavez' board? Is there a Servus Christi board?
It is interesting that Joshua shares the fact that the Board did not like him but Jacob needed to negotiate for him. Why didn't we "like" him and why and how did Jacob negotiate for him? Well, simply, Joshua has bad doctrine on his videos, saying things like the Bible doesn't say there are sermons only teaching. Also, Joshua teachers there are not pastors and elders in the Bible are just two examples. Well, David Lister approached him privately about his wrong doctrine and he would not correct it. Marco at a meeting with Joshua, David Lister, Jacob and Blair, there, Marco tried to explain his wrong doctrine even using the Greek. Joshua did not accept his correction. Then Scott Noble emailed Joshua and explained this wrong doctrine in a point by point studied email, well, Joshua gave a tepid response not really addressing his wrong doctrine nor did he correct it. This video The False Church System has caused division in Moriel Canada, divided churches there, and also hurt people in Marco's churches, who left, and even divided Scott Nobles father-in- law from the fold, who Scott labored for years and years to lead out of Buddhism. Hopefully you understand why we didn't like him. Blair reached out to Joshua in great kindness but his advice was rejected too. Hopefully our supporters will now understand why the Moriel Board didn't like Joshua. So, while we didn't like Joshua for his bad doctrine Jacob would negotiate with his board that he feels Joshua is like a younger brother, or a friend in need of help (Galatians 6) and on that basis of that the board could let Jacob try and help Joshua but now Jacob knows Joshua will not accept correction of his doctrine. Jacob allowed personal loyalty to Joshua to bring him into repeated opposition to our board. This is an undeniable fact.
As to the Servus Cristi Board, there is none. Joshua Chavez has not normally even had a church, and has been accountable to no one. Yet he sets himself up as a self- appointed investigative authority even making bogus assertions about other people's private business affairs that are none of his business, and a super critic of churches when he usually has none himself. His life and ministry are fundamentally out of God's order (Hebrews 10:25).
Had he had a board and a church like those with whom he finds fault, he might not have dug himself into the public grave disqualifying himself from ministry that he finds himself in today. Joshua solemnly promised he would not marry the woman he did a few days after her arrival in the USA, but immediately broke his word with a vow (making her his wife in the Eyes of God) but that was it. After breaking his promise, it was then foolish of him to consummate the relationship without even being legally married to her. Claiming abuse, she left him. We do not wish to disclose the contents of the emails we have from her and other emails, because they are none of anyone's business and to do so would be pure vengeance against him. However, by his wrong doctrine of the church (ecclesiology), his lack of accountability, and by breaking his word he has given his enemies the ammunition they needed. The claims of his wife and not being in control of his own family/ marriage mean he is not scripturally qualified for the ministry (1Timothy 3: 2-4), at least until he gets his marriage reconciled. The charges brought by his hurting wife and his enemies mean he does not have a good reputation with those outside of the church, but worse he has a broken marriage. God says that he has absolutely no right whatsoever to be in the ministry. In appreciation for the friendship Jacob Prasch had with Joshua Chavez, Jacob stood with him loyally, paying a public price for doing so and placing himself again in opposition to his own board. Jacob tried desperately to be an older brother to Joshua and tried to help him. Jacob has sadly failed. The Word of God says that Joshua Chavez cannot be in ministry.
Sincerely,
The Moriel Board

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Prasch's original statement concerning Chavez's "marriage" ~

"Joshua Chavez of course is not married to anyone and never has been. He was arranging a civil marriage through an immigration attorney, but the woman in question bailed out and returned to South Africa. No marriage license, no wedding certificate or contract, no bans of marriage - absolutely nothing."

PROPHECY ROUNDTABLE: JOHN HALLER AND MODERN JUDAIZERS DOUG HAMP AND SCOTT HARWELL

TIMING OF THE RESURRECTION & "RAPTURE"! Prophecy Roundtable - End-Times Chat - YouTube  19th February 2021

Doug Hamp and Scott Harwell are Torah-observant infiltrators of the church who actively seek to put believers under the Mosaic Law. (Galatians 2:12) Torah-observance, is, for all intents and purposes, an insidious version of the Hebrew Roots Movement. This movement has been rejected by many orthodox Christians as heretical.

This series of Prophecy Round Table videos are touted as "An Entertaining End Times Chat" and "A Fun End-Times Chat". There is nothing lighthearted about the weighty subjects being discussed; they are neither "entertaining" or "fun". These "chats" surreptitiously promote the heretical teachings of the modern Judaizers and are extremely dangerous. Hamp and Harwell are amongst those false teachers we are warned to "mark and avoid" by the Apostle Paul. (Romans 16:17). Hamp's tactic is to downplay any objections we may raise about keeping the Mosaic Law. In these informal "chats", Hamp attempts to sweep our concerns aside and make the subject appear "reasonable". (2 Corinthians 11:3).

Alan Kurschner (Eschatos Ministries) has been a guest on Prophecy Roundtable twice. On both occasions he successfully debunked the false teachings of Hamp and Harwell. It is worth listening to Kurschner's seven reasons why Israel, not the church, is the woman in Revelation 12. (1.06 mark) {1}

Doug Hamp is the President, and Scott Harwell is a Director of The Commonwealth of Israel Foundation, an organization that promotes Commonwealth Theology, a subject I am currently researching and intend to critique at a later date. {2} 

On his website, Hamp blatantly mis-teaches the Levitical dietary laws and applies them to Christians. He teaches that "unclean animals" were never designated as food in the scriptures. This contradicts Genesis 9:3 when every moving thing was designated as food after the flood. For further information on this subject please refer to my previous post on the link below. 

John Haller is an elder at Fellowship Bible Chapel in Sunbury, Ohio. Unfortunately Haller has some issues and it is regrettable that he supports false teacher and heretic James Prasch aka Jacob Prasch of Moriel Ministries. Haller has had very little input in these "chats". He does not seem to have any fixed views on questions such as the timing of the rapture and the identity of the woman in Revelation 12 etc. In his favour, on this particular occasion, he pushed back against the Torah-observers, despite being outnumbered three to one. Haller looked unhappy throughout the entire video ~ understandably so.

  

This weeks "roundtable" featured teacher and author Hollisa Alewine complete with head covering.

Alewine has a teaching ministry called "The Creation Gospel". She majors on the Jewish feasts and her stated aim is: "Getting Torah out to the nations". {3} 

I have obviously made an error, I thought that Jesus' command in the Great Commission was getting the Gospel out to the nations! (Matthew 28:16-20).

Hollisa Alewine's videos appear on the Hebraic Roots Network.

"The Hebraic Roots Network is your source for Hebrew Roots teachings." {4}

There can be no doubt that Allewine's agenda is precisely the same as modern Judaizers Hamp and Harwell i.e. to usurp the Gospel in favour of Torah-observance.

In this video, Hamp, Alewine and Harwell did a hard sell on the Talmud ~ the written version of the Oral Law. It should be noted that the Talmud aka "the tradition of the elders" is the Pharisaical tradition Jesus vociferously condemned during His ministry. (Mark 7:1-13). The Pharisees arose illegitimately during the intertestamental period and are not mentioned at all in the Old Testament. These were the false teachers who rejected Jesus Christ and did not enter the sheepfold by the door. (John 10:1-17). The false claim of the Pharisees was that God not only gave Moses the written Torah, but that He also gave him the Oral Torah as recorded in the rabbinic writings such as the Talmud the Mishnah. The Pharisees were rank heretics who added their own laws to the existing Mosaic covenant and severely perverted the scriptures. (Deuteronomy 4:2; 12:32  cf. Revelation 22:19). The oral tradition of the rabbis does not represent biblical orthodox Judaism in any way whatsoever! As such, I would not recommend the Talmud as a valid resource for spiritual instruction, despite Hamp's repeated encouragement to "just try it".
..Did God really say...? (Genesis 3:1). Why settle for corrupt Jewish tradition when we have the inerrant word of God? The church is confused enough without adding the Talmud into the mix as a source of truth!  

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, (2 Timothy 3:16).

And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.. (2 Peter 1:19).

Alewine Alert! 

Alewine: "Twice Paul does tell the assemblies, 'keep the traditions just as I passed them on to you', and when you look that up in Greek, it is specifically referring to Jewish Oral Law."  (48:00 mark)

On the two occasions Paul uses term "traditions" favourably, he refers to his teaching and his written epistles as authoritative for the churches. The verses cited by Alewine do not refer to the Jewish Oral Law.

Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you. (1 Corinthians 11:2).

So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter. (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

tradition - Gk paradosis 

the tradition of the elders ~ (the Jewish Oral Law) condemned in the NT.  (Matthew 15:2-6; Mark 7:1-13).

human tradition ~ (philosophy and empty deceit) condemned by Paul. (Colossians 2:8).

the apostolic tradition ~ the inspired teaching of the apostles passed on to the churches. (2 Timothy 2:2).

Alewine says many more questionable things on this video. Her defective exegesis demonstrates precisely why we need to be extremely wary of those who teach Torah-observance. (2 Timothy 2:15; Acts 17:11).

Harwood has nothing to say of any substance. He makes questionable and sometimes very silly statements without backing them up with exegesis. For instance he states that the wedding supper will take place in the the clouds. The wedding supper takes place after the rapture. (Revelation 19:1,7-8). It appears to take place in heaven at some point before Jesus returns with his armies dressed in fine linen white and pure.. (Revelation 19:14). 

In my view, the best thing Haller could do is to withdraw from these Judaizers post-haste! To associate with them and to participate in these "chats" gives them credibility as bone fide Christians. I was pleased to see him challenge their skewed ideas, but frankly I think it is wiser to have nothing to do with them at all. These men are cursed enemies of Jesus Christ who seek to put believers back under the Mosaic Law. (Galatians 3:19).

Torah-observance and biblical Christianity is actually a contradiction in terms. 

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:6-9).

1. (1) IS THE WOMAN IN REV 12 MARY, ISRAEL, CHURCH? Prophecy Roundtable: A Fun End-Times Chat! - YouTube
2. Commonwealth of Israel Foundation: BELIEFS
3. (1) Hollisa mySTORy - YouTube
4. Hebraic Roots Network | Revive TV | Taking Torah & Yeshua To The Nations

Further Link

WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: DOUG HAMP: CLEAN VERSUS UNCLEAN FOOD # THE HERESY OF THE JUDAIZERS REGURGITATED (bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com)

FALSE TEACHER "JACOB" PRASCH ENDORSED @ PROPHECY ROUNDTABLE # DOUG HAMP # JOHN HALLER # SCOTT HARWELL # ALAN KURSCHNER

 (44) Is Revelation Chronological? Prophecy Roundtable: An Entertaining End Times Chat! - YouTube

The above YouTube video is a discussion on the question of whether the book of Revelation is written thematically or chronologically with Doug Hamp, John Haller, Scott Harwell and "special guest" Alan Kurschner. The description: "An Entertaining End Times Chat” depreciates the critical importance of this subject for the church, especially considering that many believers are both deceived and confused about the timing of the rapture. Entertaining the masses to get clicks and hits seems to be the goal of many so called ministries today! The video was beset with technical problems and came across as amateurish. 

Doug Hamp is the President, and Scott Harwell is a Director, of The Commonwealth of Israel Foundation. {1}  

John Haller is an elder at Fellowship Bible Chapel in Sunbury, Ohio, and is a long time supporter of the false teacher known as "Jacob" Prasch.

Alan Kurschner (Eschatos Ministries) outclassed his roundtable associates with his considerable expertise. Kurschner kept his dignity, despite being subjected to Doug Hamp's discourteous behavior concerning "theophanic storms", i.e. the phrase he has employed to describe various storms that occur in the book of Revelation. Hamp: "I don't think calling them 'theophanic storms' lessens their severity just because we have a fancy theological name for them.. in my opinion.. ..I am not persuaded that it is a 'god storm', I think that's a cheap shot." (44:00 mark) I have not heard Kurschner apply the phrase "theophanic storms" to the Revelation 6 cosmic disturbances. As far as I am aware, he applies the phrase to Revelation 8:5; 11:19 and 16:17 (though he may not limit the phrase to those particular storms?). The wicked know exactly what is occurring in Revelation 6 and they witness a visible manifestation of God, in other words, they witness a theophany prior to the outpouring of God's wrath. As such it does not seem inappropriate to call these various storms "theophanic". One thing I have observed is that Alan Kurschner does not make cheap shots!

..calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb..  (Revelation 6:16).

“But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then he will send out the angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven. (Mark 13:24-27).

Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple. There were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail. (Revelation 11:19).

Hamp's eisegesis concerning the sixth seal and the seventh seal trumpets and bowls is neither well researched or thought out. The book of Revelation is written chronologically from chapters 4-12 and from chapter 12 onwards apart from parenthetical breaks. It therefore seems unlikely that the numerical sequence should be broken by defining the sixth seal cosmic disturbances as the final seventh seal judgements. Kurshner's chronological argument is the most logical, and more importantly, it can be demonstrated exegetically.

Hamp's thematic argument is that the sixth seal cosmic disturbances of Revelation 6 are so severe, that in his opinion, they are not a portent of impending wrath, but are rather a description of the end itself. The cosmic disturbances are certainly extreme and terrifying. However, we should not make the assumption that they equate to the final wrath of God as described in the seventh seal passages. As Kurschner points out elsewhere, "similarity does not equal identity". {2} 

The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes. (Joel 2:31) Acts 2:20 repeats Joel 2:31 and confirms the definition of before/πρὶν. 

And when I saw the Lamb open the sixth seal, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black like sackcloth of goat hair, and the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind. The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place. Then the kings of the earth, the nobles, the commanders, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and free man hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. And they said to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?” (Revelation 6:12-17).

Immediately after the tribulation of those days: The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. (Matthew 24:29-31). This passage concerns the rapture, which occurs immediately after the cosmic disturbances, before the onset of the Day of the Lord, hence the term "prewrath". Hamp's problematic position places him firmly in the post-trib, not in the prewrath camp.  

JACOB PRASCH HAS BEEN EXPOSED AS A CULT LEADER, A LIAR AND A FALSE TEACHER!

I was disturbed to see Scott Harwell giving credibility to Jacob Prasch's intra-seal nonsense. Prasch's intra-seal theory is a confusing concoction that incorporates various pre-trib and prewrath elements with no small dash of eisegesis. Hasn't enough evidence been submitted concerning Prasch's Metatron heresy? Furthermore, it is shameful to even mention the name of a man who has provably lied about his identity and faux "Jewish" background, not to mention various other unsavoury episodes. Prasch's nonsense has been thoroughly debunked and should not have crept into this discussion! (3) If we want a credible discussion about eschatology then "Jacob", or rather James Prasch's ravings should be entirely disregarded! How many times does this have to be said? It is the responsibility of leaders to protect the flock from deceivers like this, not to promote them! Believers should mark and avoid such people:

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. (Romans 6:17).

Scott Harwell pleads almost total ignorance of Prasch's Metatron heresy in his response to my YouTube comment. Harwell's excuses for Prasch, are, I suspect, yet another case of willful ignorance:

This does not clear it up! Prasch has taught unequivocally that the Metatron is Jesus Christ:

https://www.moriel.org/teaching/sermons-in-afrikaans/metatrone-afrikaans.html

Below is a link to Chris Rosebrough's video exposing Prasch's failed attempt at identity fraud. I add the "caveat" that I do not hold Rosebrough's Lutheran views.

(46) F4F | What the Evidence Shows Regarding Prasch's Ancestry - YouTube

1. About (commonwealthofisrael.com)
2. Why the Bowls Follow AFTER the Trumpet Judgements: The FINAL Storm Theophany (Part 6) – Ep. 158 | ESCHATOS MINISTRIES (alankurschner.com)
3. THE INTRA-SEAL RAPTURE DECEPTION EXPOSED: As devised and taught by Jacob Prasch eBook: GISBORN, TREENA: Amazon.co.uk: Kindle Store

PULPIT AND PEN'S BIG SCOOP ON SERVUS CHRISTI: GUTTER PRESS TACTICS

Servus Christi Imports Bride, Fakes Marriage, Sends Her Back After Consummation

https://pulpitandpen.org/2020/08/24/servus-christi-imports-bride-fakes-marriage-sends-her-back-after-consummation/

Associated video: https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/ v=250034606276108&ref=watch_permalink

JD Hall's article and associated video above amounts nothing less than degenerate tabloid newspaper style gossip, supposition and speculation. The scoop was preceded by a tacky countdown clock to "The Terminus of Servus Christi" (aka Joshua Chavez) promising to reveal his life of sin ~ or in JD Hall's terms “beating the weeds”. 

I do not dispute that Joshua Chavez is a wily character and is someone to be avoided. His dogged support for Jacob Prasch is insupportable. He willfully ignores Prasch's theological errors and abuses while at the same time mercilessly attacking others. Chavez's support for Prasch may benefit him in some way, although ultimately I believe it will prove to be a snare. (Jeremiah 5:31). Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? (Romans 2:3).

Despite his double standards, his obvious anger issues and his dubious motives, Chavez's exposure of various Calvinists has been accurate on many levels. Although I am convinced that Chavez is not approved by God, it seems clear that God has used him in a certain way to expose many things that have gone unchecked in the Calvinist camp. These recent exposures of the double standards and rank hypocrisy of the Calvinists are not before time! 

JD Hall has Chavez down as a "sectarian minimalist heretic". While that may be true in Chavez's case, Hall is wrong to condemn countless numbers of Christians worldwide who have given up on their "local church" due to blatant apostasy. In my own immediate area there is a choice between various ecumenical denominations, including the Anglican Church, Pentecostal (AG) and a Calvinist church who teach against eternal damnation amongst other heresies. In other words there is no choice! My own understanding of a valid church: For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.” (Matthew 18:29). What does Hall suggest these countless numbers of Christians do for fellowship without compromising the gospel? What does Hall define as "heretical" when his own camp are so very far off the mark? I refer to John MacArthur's advice that people can take the mark of the beast and be saved.. and Phil Johnson's waffling on the subject. I refer to Doreen Virtue's demonic vision of Jesus which was accepted by Lutheran pastor Chris Rosebrough and others until Chavez challenged it. Chris Rosebrough's heretical beliefs and practices include infant baptism, baptismal regeneration, consubstantiation, amillennialism, confession to a priest ~ and yet he is unquestionably accepted by the Calvinists. The Calvinists are a bit like the Freemasons, they always back each other up irrespective of the truth, and they never admit that they are in the wrong. {2} Justin Peters is the only Calvinist I have known to admit that he was wrong and I exclude him from these remarks. 

AND SO TO THE BIG SCOOP

Let's examine the details:

JD Hall has made full use of the woman's testimony that Chavez is a human trafficker. 

JD Hall: "Little did any of us know that amidst these videos and tirades, Chavez was trafficking in humans, using women for sex and money.."  Notice that JD Hall uses plural nouns (i.e. humans ~  women). In reality Hall has ONE woman's own perception of her experience. We need to see solid evidence that Chavez was actually involved in human trafficking rather than basing our opinion on the negative experience of one woman and the suppositions of JD Hall:

“I honestly think he is an evil man and God knows his intentions may be that of a human trafficker.”

"The woman is currently seeking to restore their marriage, even if it can be rightly characterized as 'human trafficking.'”

The woman would have a very difficult time legally proving a charge of "human trafficking" against Chavez. According to the Human Rights Commission the three most common types of human trafficking are sex trafficking, forced labor, and debt bondage. "Some survivors are 'mail-order' brides who believe they are going to a new country for marriage, but instead are enslaved." {1} This woman was not "enslaved". 

JD Hall says that the woman had professional job in South Africa.. and then he contradicts himself saying that her job was not that lucrative.

Apparently Chavez's motive apart from sex was "desiring that she work in a professional field in order to finance his ministry", but her three month visa did not allow her to get a job in the US. This does not make sense. Why did the woman obtain a temporary visa if she intended to marry Chavez and stay in the country?

JD Hall: "Reportedly, Chavez’s mother is overbearing and 'controls him.' " (this is gossip ~ 2 Corinthians 12:20).

JD Hall: "Allegedly, the young woman had a fair amount of financial savings."

If this allegation is correct, then the woman was by no means vulnerable or in a position of powerlessness. 

So essentially we have an attractive professional woman with a fair amount of financial savings travelling to the US from South Africa on a three month visa to marry Chavez after a short internet romance, knowingly participating in a fake marriage, going on "honeymoon" and sleeping with Chavez, and then playing the victim. The woman says that Chavez has the "Jezebel spirit" and is "an evil man". And she wants to reconcile with him! What woman in her right mind would want to restore a fake marriage with an evil man and a human trafficker? Why would an attractive professional woman with money be so desperate or stupid to do such a thing? The whole thing is totally bizarre!  This woman's story would not stand up in court.

When I mentioned these things to JD Hall on his website comments he responded by calling me a "victim blaming sycophant" and then followed up with a GIF saying "I'm your Huckleberry" (whatever that means).

Tim Wirth obviously agrees:

  

WHERE ARE THE FACTS JD HALL?

Hall: "While rumors have circulated for over a year that Chavez recently had a live-in girlfriend (while working for Moriel) with whom he soon eloped and then immediately divorced, we were unable to verify that information. That is, we were unable to verify the information until her concerned friends from various support groups reached out to us with their desperate pleas for help. We have since been able to verify their accounts through various sources to the best of our journalistic ability. And we have cross-referenced those accounts with correspondence sent us that originated directly from his female victim. But the story is even worse than has been whispered."

Every charge must be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. (2 Corinthians 13:1).

JD Hall has obtained his information from various "support groups" whom he describes as "concerned friends" rather than from the woman herself. I believe the purpose of JD Hall's "countdown clock" may have been to draw her out, but as far as I am aware she has not contacted him personally. It appears that this woman has been abused by two predators, once allegedly by Chavez, and once by JD Hall, who has published this information without her consent.  

To conclude: JD Hall has scored an own goal in his self righteous exposure of Chavez. As Christians, we need to see provable facts before we make any kind of judgement in this matter. (1 Peter 2:1). 

1. https://sf-hrc.org/what-human-trafficking#What%20is
2. http://johnmacarthur.forumchitchat.com/post/is-john-macarthur-a-master-of-the-craft-10065826

FURTHER LINKS:

https://www.redeemingmoments.com/2015/03/13/the-total-depravity-of-certain-calvinists/?fbclid=IwAR0tp6b7PgBc8jZTo8OZrlX1JHZR8xsWgZ1iPHw79vE8-YfWd3jie5qIKAY

https://peterlumpkins.typepad.com/peter_lumpkins/2013/08/jonathan-edwards-on-the-damnation-of-infants.html

DOREEN VIRTUE'S VISION OF JESUS EXAMINED

Doreen on Instagram Live answering FAQ’s about her new book

27th July 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDfblhEk32E&t=120s

Former New Age teacher and top selling author Doreen Virtue's conversion to Christianity followed what she describes as "a vision of Jesus" on January 7th 2017 while she was attending an Episcopal Church. There are a number of troubling anomalies concerning Doreen's alleged vison. Unfortunately Doreen has recently removed all traces of the vision from her website and also from YouTube, leaving us with the difficulty of fact checking her recent statements. The only available source material I could find that has not been removed is a PDF of her book The Joy Of Jesus {1} 

Below is an account of Doreen's vision from The Joy Of Jesus published in 2018:

"And standing, or rather hovering, in front of me was Jesus himself. My eyes were open, and I was one-hundred percent sober. I’ve had spiritual visions throughout my life, but this was more real and all-encompassing. I wasn’t just seeing. I was in the experience. It’s difficult to put what happened into words, but I’ll try: His presence filled my entire eyesight. His arms were outstretched like he was inviting me to him as a “Welcome home” to a prodigal child. His facial features looked middle Eastern, with a brown tone, dark brown wavy shoulder-length hair, and brown eyes. And his heart! His heart was shining these rays of light in all directions, huge bright pulsating beams of light. I could ; 61 ; The Light That Saved Me feel the light beams affecting me, and at one point I felt pushed back in my chair. The light was both dazzling and dizzying. I felt so loved and happy, and yet a part of me was observing the experience and feeling confused. What did this mean? How could this be happening? Yet it was all so real! And Jesus was real! I’m sure my jaw was dropped because His presence completely floored me. I have no idea how long He was there.." The Joy Of Jesus  p 60-61 

Doreen has recently revised her conversion testimony and she now insists repeatedly that she was not converted until late 2017 after she had read the entire bible. However, this date does not withstand close scrutiny. In her book The Joy of Jesus she makes a number of statements that inextricably connect her conversion to the vision she received on the 7th of January:

"I had a life-changing vision of Jesus while at church on January 7, 2017. When I saw Jesus, I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that everything written about him in the Bible was real and true. I also fell so deeply in love with Jesus, that I was willing to change my whole life to follow him." (p 9)

Doreen's vision is described in chapter ten of The Joy Of Jesus. This chapter is entitled The Light That Saved Me. (p 59)

"In my experience, it became clear that Jesus is the Son of God, part of the Holy Trinity. Remember that prior to this experience, I revered Jesus as an 'ascended master.' Yet in that moment of seeing him, I knew that Jesus is Lord." (p 61)

"I was now one-hundred percent following Jesus.. I fell head-over-heels in love with Jesus that day (the day of her vision). I was willing to do whatever it took to be with him.. The experience was beyond real. It was Him .. The fruits of my experience showed me that I genuinely saw a vision of Jesus of Nazareth. (p 62)

Doreen was baptized in the Episcopal Church on February 25th 2017 just over a month after her vision. Baptism is a puzzling step for a person who claims that she was not converted until much later that year. Doreen appears to be engaging in damage control by distancing herself from her vision and any connection it has to her conversion. (Proverbs 10:9).

 

Doreen claims to have had visions since she was a child, and in particular, she claims to have had visions of Jesus since she was a teenager. However, according to Doreen, this particular vision was different in that Jesus was "real".  Although I am not a cessationist, I am extremely wary of anyone who claims to have seen a vision or had an encounter of this kind. (John 20:29; Acts 1:11). Biblically visions of God are extremely rare, being limited to certain OT prophets (Isaiah 6:1; Ezekiel 1:1; 2), possibly the Apostle Paul (2 Corinthians 12:2-3) and John the Revelator. (Revelation 1:12-16). We do not see people being converted by visions in the scriptures. The Great Commission is the instruction given by the resurrected Jesus to his disciples to spread the gospel to all the nations of the world. (Matthew 28:16-20). Jesus words to Thomas: “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” (John 20:29 cf. Romans 10:17). 

During an interview with Justin Peters, Doreen seemed to agree with his rejection of her vision and accompanying epiphany as demonic. However, she has now decided that Lutheran Pastor Chris Rosebrough's explanation is the correct one.  

On July 17th 2020 Chris Rosebrough (Fighting For The Faith) explained to Doreen what he deduced had happened regarding the vision. Rosebrough explanation is that Doreen had two separate simultaneous events i.e. the vision was from the devil or a demon appearing as Jesus, and the epiphany was from the Lord. I find this a rather doubtful explanation in that Doreen claims that the vision and the epiphany were integral simultaneous events. Rosebrough has produced Isaiah 55:10-11 as a proof text for his explanation. 

The devil may indeed challenge or attempt to confuse some insight or revelation that we have received from the Lord after the event. However, it seems unlikely that Jesus would permit a revelation from Himself to be simultaneously laced with demonic activity. In the scriptures, genuine revelations and visions from the Lord are uncontaminated by the devil or demons. As others have observed, Doreen's vision of Jesus excluded the marks of the crucifixion and was suspiciously akin to Roman Catholic Sacred Heart/Divine Mercy idolatry as opposed to any biblical sightings of Him after the resurrection. Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe. (John 20:27).

Doreen Virtue Canvas Print
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/477240891755981773/

John's vision of Jesus on Patmos:

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day.. Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest. The hairs of his head were white, like white wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters. In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength. (Revelation 1:1,12-16 cf. Revelation 1:10  cf. Revelation 4:2;,17:3, 21:10).

Doreen's misplaced confidence in Chris Rosebrough and Justin Peters 

Doreen says that some "solid teachers" came alongside her, and (amongst others) she names Justin Peters and Chris Rosebrough. As nice as Justin Peters is, I consider him to be deceived by the perverted doctrines of Calvinism. I have previously outlined the considerable heresies held by Lutheran pastor Chris Rosebrough including ~ infant baptism, baptismal regeneration, consubstantiation, amillennialism, confession to a priest etc. {2} Rosebrough also subscribes to the false Calvinist doctrines of predestination and cessationism. The doctrine of cessationism (the denial of the gifts of the Holy Spirit) was formulated within Calvinism during the Reformation as a reaction against Roman Catholic miracles. With the exception of Calvinism, continuationism generally remained the default doctrine within Protestantism. (Proverbs 30:5-6). For Doreen to regard Chris Rosebrough and Justin Peters "solid teachers" is in itself an indication of her unstable spiritual condition. 

Doreen has reversed her previous role as a prominent teacher of the New Age and has now become a prominent adversary of the New Age. However this self-appointed role within the Body of Christ is discharged minus her husband who is conspicuous by his absence. The New Testament model is for the husband and wife to serve the Lord together. (Genesis 2:18; Acts 18:26). Doreen assures us that she does not teach theology. However, having listened to her recent material and having read parts of her new book, this is not the case. Her role as a writer/broadcaster frequently bleeds into interpreting the scriptures, albeit that she is not teaching mixed congregations and does not have authority over men. (1 Timothy 2:12 cf. James 3:1). Not long after her conversion, Doreen assumed the role of an expert spiritual adviser, whereas in reality nothing was further from the truth:

The synopsis on the back cover of The Joy Of Jesus reads: "You’ll read about ways to combat spiritual warfare, how to discern whether spirits are from God or not, the scriptural teachings about angels, healing from guilt, and much more." {3} 

After Doreen was challenged by a friend about the errors contained within The Joy of Jesus, it was withdrawn. In her own words: "I wrote this book called The Joy of Jesus.. I included things in there that I now know could cause some to stumble.. I took it down just because it wasn't right."  

Should certain Christian "mentors" continue to indulge Doreen and cut her some slack because she is a relatively new believer? Doreen squeals that she is "a baby Christian" when her errors are found out. However after three years, this excuse begins to wear rather thin. (1 Corinthians 3:1-3). It is unscriptural for someone so immature in the faith and so deeply confused to be churning out "Christian" material which has to be either withdrawn or fundamentally altered at a later date. By default a confused "baby Christian" is disqualified from interpreting the scriptures and teaching, even in a limited capacity. (1 Timothy 3:6). In essence Doreen has adopted an antinomian New Age "do your own thing" attitude to her present situation rather than following the scriptures.

It is inconceivable for any true Christian to knowingly peddle faulty material that will be a stumbling block to the Body of Christ. However, that is precisely what Doreen has done. Doreen allowed her publication Deceived No More to proceed with the offending vision because its withdrawal would have caused problems with her publishers Thomas Nelson. And so the first edition of the book was published on the July 28th 2020 complete with Jesus vision. For such a book to be published after Doreen realized that her vision was highly suspect is appalling. Even though Deceived No More was at a late stage of publication, Doreen had a window of opportunity in which to withdraw the book. Almost immediately after the book was published, Doreen rapidly amended Chapter 9. {4} However, the original book remains in circulation. This book should have been withdrawn immediately the questionable nature of her vision was discovered no matter what the cost or inconvenience. Doreen's frequent apologies and prevarications on this subject cut no ice. {5}

To obey is better than sacrifice.. (1 Samuel 15:22 cf. Jeremiah 7:23; Acts 5:32).

Doreen seems to have an answer for everything: "I know all about the apostle Paul going away for three years, I know all about how he stayed away before teaching. I got it..  BUT I....."  If Doreen is not prepared to submit to the scriptures, then she will have a very difficult time as a Christian and she risks a great deal!  (1 Samuel 15:9; Revelation 3:19).

Doreen employs various illegitimate strategies and reverts to worldly tactics in an attempt to dissuade her detractors from exposing her errors. (Romans 8:5).

Such strategies include labelling her critics "gossips" "slanderers" and "haters".  Doreen: "Its been a rough season with a lot of slander and accusations coming against me .. its been hurtful for me too and  to hear people gossiping behind my back.. its been a lot of hate."  On a video with Engage Truth she says: "Don't gossip about me, don't slander me, come tell me that I'm not supposed to do this or that." {6} This would be to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted! It is well known that I am no supporter of either Jacob Prasch or Joshua Chavez. However, having listened carefully to Chavez's video Apostasy Report - Doreen Virtue Is Still Deceived, I cannot find anything to disagree with, although I cannot judge his motives. {7}    

Doreen can't expect to brush her various public errors and contradictions under the carpet and escape the repercussions. Biblically, public errors should be addressed in the open since their harmful effects are likely to have negatively impacted vulnerable members of the Body of Christ. On the other hand, personal private sins against individuals should (initially) be tackled privately: If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.. (Matthew 18:15)  It should be noted that Paul openly denounced certain false teachers by name. (1 Timothy 1:19-20; 2 Timothy 4:14; 3 John 1:9-10 etc.) Paul was no gossip, the gospel was at stake! Apparently Doreen expects the Christian community to make her an exception to the rule because she is "a baby Christian". (2 Corinthians 13:10). 

Another strategy Doreen employs to silence her detractors is to threaten them with lawsuits. "God told me that I am finally going to start initiating lawsuits.. and to defamation and libel and slander, and I am going to win. Everyone who has got these videos about me and blogs about me that they are making money off, my lawyers are going to go after them and it is just righteous anger.." {7} This is utter nonsense. (1 Corinthians 6:7; Matthew 5:39).

I also hope that Doreen now understands the principle of Fair Use now that it has been fully explained to her. "Fair use is a doctrine in the law of the United States that permits limited use of copyrighted material without having to first acquire permission from the copyright holder."  {8}

In her own words Doreen says: "I am kind of a goofball anyway without a filter, so I have embarrassed myself more times than I can even count." The dictionary definition of goofball is a naïve or stupid person. (Matthew 15:18; Proverbs 4:5-6). 

The blunders that Doreen continues to make whilst at the same time claiming that she is "no longer deceived" are potentially lethal to the body of Christ. Not only that, these blunders leave both her and her mentors open to public ridicule as we have recently witnessed. Doreen seems to be repenting every five minutes for avoidable errors that would not have occurred if she had followed the scriptural pattern for new believers. Yes ~ there is forgiveness for our sins, and yes ~ we all make mistakes. However, there is also a place for godly rebuke. (Titus 1:9). The proper course of action for a godly mentor would be to counsel Doreen to stand down from the public domain until such time as she becomes mature in the faith. Instead however, various pastors and teachers are only too happy to promote Doreen by appearing on her videos. These teachers are culpable for the mess that has arisen from Doreen's vision and other issues. 

In conclusion, several things about Doreen's conversion testimony and her subsequent actions are unscriptural. If Doreen is a genuine Christian, then I believe that the Lord will put severe obstacles in her way if she persists in churning out false material. (Hebrews 12:6). Any reputation that Doreen may have gained amongst the true Body of Christ will be in tatters, if it is not already. 

Ironically, the most staggering thing Doreen says at the end of this video is that she has turned off the comments on her YouTube page because peoples responses could cause a stumbling block that might lead to some false teachings!! 😮 

And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. (Ephesians 4:11-14).

Doreen Virtue's Jesus Lights Healing Meditation 

https://www.facebook.com/DoreenVirtueForJesus/videos/1409129675795006/

1. file:///C:/Users/treen/Downloads/The%20Joy%20Of%20Jesus%20by%20Doreen%20Virtue%20(z-lib.org).pdf

2. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2020/07/chris-rosebrough-fighting-for-faith.html  3. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Joy-Jesus-Doreen-Virtue/dp/0692125965
4. https://doreenvirtue.com/2020/07/22/free-updated-chapter-9-of-deceived-no-more/
5. https://doreenvirtue.com/2020/06/01/why-did-doreen-remove-her-testimony/
6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkD-_BVL-2M

7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjRXaGltHLI&t=1487s
9. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#:~:text=Fair%20use%20is%20a%20doctrine,permission%20from%20the%20copyright%20holder.

SCOTT PRUITT NOPRETRIB: ANOTHER WILLFULLY IGNORANT JACOB PRASCH FOLLOWER

If one gives an answer before he hears, it is his folly and shame. (Proverbs 18:13).

Scott Pruitt NOPRETRIB is yet another willfully ignorant Praschite. His recent knee jerk reaction regarding Jacob Prasch's teaching about the Metatron lacked any research whatsoever. {1} I have provided Pruitt with unequivocal evidence that Prasch refers to the Metatron as Jesus Christ and I have asked him to correct his error. So far he has refused point blank to do so. As a result, Pruitt gives a completely false impression of what Prasch teaches in this regard. The whole object of running an apologetics ministry is TRUTH, but this fact seems to have escaped Scott Pruitt! Very sadly, Pruitt, in common with other Prasch cult followers, has morphed into a false witness (Exodus 23:1; Proverbs 14:5, 19:5). Pruitt has made all kinds of false insinuations about myself and others, and frustratingly he has not given me the right of reply on his website. As a result I am obliged to correct him here and to put the record straight.

The discussion was initiated on NOPRETRIB by Christopher S Brownwell on the 4th of August:

Pruitt then reverted to Messenger and attempted to speak to me directly after I had already refused to have a verbal conversation with him. When I refused again he messaged the following:

Finally I sent Pruitt the following email this morning:

Dear Scott

Regarding your points on messenger: 

To clarify - I have not been closely involved with any of Prasch's detractors apart from Pat and Mike who are friends of mine. I have occasionally communicated with Deborah Menelaws, but I have not found these conversations to be of any value.  When I say I have distanced myself, I mean that I no longer share tbck's videos, and also that I have ended my acquaintance with Deborah. Frank's videos are not inaccurate. There are no background noises on any of his other videos apart from the one I shared with you, and I put that down to some kind of interference rather than anything deliberate. I have found him to be very honest and he has rectified any errors he has made.

Eitan Bar and JP do not utilize the Metatron material in the same way at all.. I have previously explained all this and I see little point in repeating it again.

You have implied that I am trying to hide the fact that my issues with Prasch are historical. My intra-seal critique and other exposures of Prasch as a false teacher are well recorded and are by no means a secret! We are discussing the Metatron on this occasion, not his other various false teachings.

My unwillingness to have a phone conversation with you is not out of fear (another assumption). Written conversations have the advantage of accuracy in that I am able to refer back to them regarding the precise details of exactly what is being discussed. I do not know you, and certainly your inferences about me to my face, and also your remarks to Colin privately, are not indicative of a friendly or fair exchange. Another reason I prefer written conversations is because it gives me time to think about my responses to what is being discussed. I have had too many meetings with false teachers and others who have attempted to back foot me. I believe that it is a wise decision not give anyone else that opportunity. 

I have posted two comments on your website which you have chosen not to approve. I have provided unequivocal evidence of what Prasch teaches about the Metatron and you have not given me the right of reply. 

I suggest that you drop all these side issues and insinuations and concentrate your attention to the main point.  You have misrepresented Prasch's teaching on the Metatron on your website and this needs to be corrected. 

If you do not do this then I will do so. 

Regards

Treena

The evidence I sent to Pruitt was Frank Rogers video below, and also an excerpt from Moriel's 2007 article in Afrikaans translated into English which is unequivocal in identifying the Metatron as Jesus. This is not an Acts 17:22-23 apologetic to an "unknown god" as Prasch has recently claimed, rather it is a devious attempt to substitute Jesus Christ with a named mythical Jewish figure. (Titus 1:14). Pruitt has point blank refused to post this evidence on his website.

https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2020/07/jacob-prasch-metatron-in-place-of-jesus.html

There is further evidence available if Pruitt would care to do his own research. Below: September 2009 * Moriel Quarterly 15. Prasch states: "Jacob wrestled with the Metatron, God in a human form."

Prasch's ancestry is yet another point of contention for Pruitt. Once again I advise him to do his own research since he obviously does not trust the evidence brought by others.

1. https://nopretrib.com/good-fight-ministries-responds-to-paul-wilkinson/

JACOB PRASCH: METATRON HERESY REFUTED BY ONE FOR ISRAEL

In yet another a desperate attempt to prove his Metatron heresy, Prasch recently put up a video on YouTube from ONE FOR ISRAEL.

Dr Eitan Bar, ONE FOR ISRAEL'S Director of Evangelism and Apologetics has unequivocally refuted Prasch's claims concerning their use of the Metatron as Jesus Christ in Jewish evangelism.

Eitan Bar: "On the issue of 'the Metatron' - I do not believe in the Metatron nor that he exists. I only see him as a fictional character, an imaginary mythical figure who I only refer to, as a rabbinic myth. The only purpose in referring to this concept is to show Orthodox Jews that the concept of 'the son of God' exists in their literature as well, and therefore the concept of Yeshua, the Son of God is not a "pagan non-Jewish" one, as most rabbis today will claim against Christianity."

Metatron - Hasidic Jewish Evangelism and Jacob Prasch

"Dr. Eitan Bar is a native Jewish-Israeli follower of Yeshua. He serves as ONE FOR ISRAEL’s Director of Evangelism & Apologetics since 2013. Under Eitan’s creative leadership ONE FOR ISRAEL’s media evangelism has become the primary source through which Israelis and Jewish people around the world engage with the message of Yeshua. The fruit of this labor includes over 100 Million views of our evangelistic videos, which has also drawn a lot of attention from national Israeli media outlets." 

https://www.oneforisrael.org/eitan-bar/

SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT BY TIM WIRTH

JACOB PRASCH: METATRON IN PLACE OF JESUS CHRIST

And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12).

Moriel's 2007 article in Afrikaans (excerpt translated into English below) is unequivocal in identifying the Metatron as Jesus. This is not an Acts 17:22-23 apologetic to an "unknown god" as Prasch has recently claimed, rather it is a devious attempt to substitute Jesus Christ with a named mythical Jewish figure. (Titus 1:14).

 

https://www.moriel.org/teaching/sermons-in-afrikaans/metatrone-afrikaans.html

Prasch condemns the Kabballah as "absolutely occult".  He goes on to say: "It comes from Babylonian gnosticism repackaged in Jewish terminology, but it is of occult origin. It is a false belief system of a corrupted Judaism that denies its Messiah." {1} By some perverse reasoning, Prasch uses the Kabballah, a source that he absolutely condemns, in order to insert the occult mythical figure the Metatron in place of Jesus Christ into the very Throne Room of God! (Revelation 5:6).

Prasch and Jews For Jesus

Prasch was heavily involved with the ecumenical Messianic Jewish Christian organization Jews For Jesus after leaving a cult called "Forever Family". Jews For Jesus gave Prasch financial assistance in order to help him get through seminary, and this seems to have been the point at which his Jewish "adventure" began.

Prasch: "One thing I know for sure is that I would not be in the ministry today if it were not for the way that God used Moishe Rosen and Jews For Jesus." {2}

Coincidentally, Jews For Jesus also cite some disturbing comparisons between the Metatron and Jesus in their article "Kabbalah's Best Kept Secret?" {3} 

Prasch is (supposedly) against the ecumenical movement, and yet he associates with, and approves of, Anglican ecumenists and false prophets David Noakes and Clifford Hill of Issachar Ministries. {4} Prasch could hardly have been unaware of Jews for Jesus radical ecumenism.

UK Apologetics Library: "Jews for Jesus participated in the first ecumenical conference that I attended with press credentials. It was New Orleans ’87. There were about 35,000 people in attendance representing some 40 denominations, and one-half were Roman Catholics." {5}

Prasch's Fake Jewish Paternal Ancestry

Chris Rosebrough recently debunked Prasch's alleged Jewish paternal ancestry. In the process he discovered that Prasch's bogus certification of his family tree is actually a Nazi document dated the 5th of June 1939, and that Adolf and Wolff Brasch from Leipzig are not listed in Prasch's ancestry. {6}

Prasch's alleged ID certificate is actually an application form to replace lost immigration documents:

Prasch giving the horned hand signal whilst displaying his Nazi document

For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough. (2 Corinthians 11:4).

Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind.. (Colossians 2:18 cf. Revelation 19:10).

Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:9-11).

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8).

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1XpTfqX0Uk&t=9s . 2. http://blog.moriel.org/authors-1/james-jacob-prasch/19506-passing-of-jews-for-jesus-founder.html
3. https://jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/issues-v18-n02/kabbalahs-best-kept-secret/
4. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2018/09/jacob-prasch-david-noakes-moriel.html
5. http://ukapologeticslibrary.net/jews-for-jesus-ecumenism
6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KskTFbMi1fk&fbclid=IwAR0jQn-lGmnTfjJxVdzeOFRvwpSWDhOdXat-bM-r9DA5tEsSySoNcnetLqM