PAUL WILKINSON PRETRIB ERROR LEADING GYPSY TRAVELLERS ASTRAY

Paul Wilkinson | The Beautiful Simplicity of the Rapture—A Gypsy Testimony | 2024

Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15).

Paul Wilkinson is back on the scene after a prolonged absence. Very sadly, this period of difficulty doesn't seem to have done him much good, and he has failed to ask the right questions. In particular, his vice-like grip on the pretrib rapture remains unchanged. If he had sought the Lord about this issue, I believe his difficulties would have been resolved a long time ago.

In this video Wilkinson explains how he came to inflict himself upon an Assemblies of God gypsy church in Wales following an alleged direct word he received from God. The AOG is known mainly for the false New Apostolic Reformation and Charismania and is a huge red flag. My prayer is that the Christian gypsy community in the UK will learn discernment and that the Lord will lead them into all truth. (John 16:13).

In Wilkinson's own words, the pretrib rapture is "our blessed hope". 

The phrase "the blessed hope" is found in Titus 2:13. This phrase emphasizes the Christian anticipation of future fulfillment and redemption and refers to the second coming of Jesus Christ. The pretrib camp has modified this phrase to explicitly refer to the pretrib rapture. 

Wilkinson: "Of course there is that threat, there is that wrong teaching of tribulationalism, and it's around; the midtrib, prewrath, posttrib position that just blasts the hope out of the rapture." The prewrath view comes under special assault from pretrib teachers. Wilkinson quotes Tim LaHaye, whose comment reflects his "Left Behind" Mickey Mouse eschatology. Many Christians have rejected the false pretrib rapture in favour of prewrath precisely because it is a theologically bankrupt doctrine with no scriptural evidence to support it. (1 John 4:1).

There was a lot of emotionalism in Wilkinson's talk but very little actual teaching. What concerned me very greatly is that the gypsy church are teaching the pretrib rapture to their children and filling them with false hopes.. and so the deception continues.   

Wilkinson briefly mentioned "the hour of trial" in Revelation 3:10. 

Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth. (Revelaiton 3:19).

Pretrib teachers view the Antichrist’s great tribulation (thlipsis) and the day of the Lord’s wrath (orgé) as a single period. However, the scriptures as a whole describe the day of the Lord's wrath in very specific terms as a separate period that follows the Antichrist's tribulation. Believers will be rescued from the hour of trial/the day of God's wrath but not from the great tribulation. (1 Thessalonians 5:9; Revelation 6:12-17; Matthew 24:29). Wilkinson's emotionalism may be persuasive to some, but his self-indulgent displays are not a sign of doctrinal soundness and stability. 

EMMA STARK INGESTS A JEZEBEL DEMON SANDWICH!

Cast Demons Out Of Your Food | Power Hour Episode 318

GPA: "Do you suffer from food allergies, gut problems or issues with food? Join the prophets for a mighty hour of deliverance as we cast demons out of food. Deep dive into scripture, and move with the Holy Spirit in healing as we listen to what God is saying today."

Emma Stark is one of the bottom feeders of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) cesspit. She takes a prize for one of the worst false "prophets" imaginable due to her abundance of low hanging rotten fruit. Incredibly, she has 66.9K subscribers who apparently do not know their right hand from their left. (Jonah 4:11). 

In the New Testament, demons aka unclean spirits inhabited people. (Matthew 10:1,12:43; Luke 6:18,8:29,11:24; Mark 1:26,3:11,5:2,7-8,25,9:25; Luke 4:33; Acts 5:16,16:16-18; Revelation 16:13. The only exception is where they settled for a herd of pigs as an alternative to being sent to the abyss. (Luke 8:31). There is nothing whatsoever in the bible about anyone ingesting a demon! Demon possession appears to occur when someone habitually opens themselves up to evil and eventually gives themselves over to it entirely. This was the case with Judas Iscariot who had a callous heart and loved money. (John 12:6). Satan entered into Judas when he eventually betrayed Jesus Christ for thirty pieces of silver. (Matthew 27:14-16; John 13:27). Demon possession is also related to occult practice and idol worship. (Leviticus 17:7; Deuteronomy 32:17; Psalm 106:37; 1 Corinthians 10:20). In the Old Testament, King Saul was troubled by an evil spirit after he rebelled against the Lord. (1 Samuel 16:14-15,18:10-11,19:9-10).

Emma Stark's claim that she ate a Jezebel sandwich is beyond ridiculous.

Emma Stark: "I was sitting with my friends in New Jersey.. They presented to us a sandwich. I've never seen anything like it, it was like a two-metre-long python snake in size.. As soon as I put it in my mouth I felt immediately sick. It hadn't even been chewed, it wasn't like an hour later. It was like 'this is poison'. And so I said to the Lord, 'What on earth is going on?'  and my prophet heckles were up.. but I thought 'I have actually chewed on Jezebel..'  I knew that it was a Jezebel demon. Why did I know that? Because Jezebel finds your price and Jezebel seduces whole industries either for..sex, but Jezebel seducing for maximum profit.."  (41:40 mark)

In the New Testament food is spiritually neutral. Specifically, Paul referred to food sacrificed to idols as neutral, although if an immature believer, i.e. someone with a weak conscience, considers such food to be unclean, then for that person it is unclean. 

I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean. (Romans 14:14 cf. Acts 10:15; 1 Corinthians 1:8-13; Mark 7:18-19).

Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do. (1 Corinthians 1:8).

What Emma Stark describes as "Jubilee economics" is based on Leviticus 25. The observance of the Sabbath years given to Moses on Mount Sinai required the rest of the land of Israel every seven years. (Leviticus 25:1-6; 26:33-35). The Jews disobeyed this command and as a result they were taken into exile to Babylon for seventy years. (2 Chronicles 36:21; Jeremiah 25:11-12; 29:10-14). Leviticus 25 also describes the year of Jubilee every fiftieth year. When Emma Stark says: "..food has not been put through a biblical mindset of Leviticus 25" she is in danger of reverting to legalism. While there are good principles in the Mosaic Law regarding fallowing, for instance, New Testament believers should not revert to strict legalism. It goes without saying that bad practices within the food industry can cause illness, however, this is not the "Jezebel spirit", it is the sinful practice of people in business who put profit above good practice. Emma Stark's "deliverance" is a reductio ad absurdum. 

Emma Stark: "I speak to every demon that has caused digestive and food issues, and I say you come up and you come out in the breath right now in Jesus name. Anything of diverticulitis of celiac disease, irritable bowel syndrome, of food intolerances, you get off these people in Jesus' mighty name. So wherever you are, wherever you're watching, you take a big deep breath and we say it comes out on the breath in Jesus name.. In the name of Jesus that food issue, that digestive issue, that fear of eating, that IBS, it is removed from you and God now comes as your liberator, and any demonic force that is part of it is removed in Jesus mighty name you are healed.. it is up and out of the breath in Jesus name.." she reverts to gibberish. (51:40 mark)

        

Unsurprisingly, this video attracted negative comments which were immediately removed by Stark's subordinates. 

Emma Stark's tall stories are unbiblical and unrealistic in every possible sense and should be rejected. I urge those who have fallen under the NAR curse to test the spirits and to mark and avoid this woman. (1 John 1:4). 

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. (Romans 16:17-18).

JONI LAMB'S IMPRECATORY WITCHCRAFT

Fibster Joni Lamb plays "the Lord spoke to me" card yet again! "..a prophetic voice of a man that has been used for a long time prophetically sent me. And the Lord said 'Get the people to say this prayer with you', so I am going to say it and just repeat after me.." (1 Timothy 1:10).

This "prayer" was copied word for word from real estate investor and business consultant Taylor A Welsh.1 Welsh is the founder of "The Wealthy Consultant", an education group that licenses business development, sales, and management training. Welsh has some unsound, (possibly NAR), ideas about theology and prayer that I do not endorse. However, he does not claim to be a "prophet" and denies sending this "prayer" to Daystar or that he even knows Joni Lamb!

Imprecatory prayers are found in the book of Psalms. To imprecate is to speak a curse or invoke evil against someone or something. King David, is associated with imprecatory prayers in Psalm 55:15,69:28; Psalm 109:8. He used phrases like, “Let their way be dark and slippery, with the angel of the LORD pursuing them!” (Psalm 35:6) and “O God, break the teeth in their mouths; tear out the fangs of the young lions, O LORD!” (Psalm 58:6).

Got Questions: "Psalms 7, 35, 55, 58, 59, 69, 109, and 139 were written by David to ask God to bring judgment upon his enemies. (The other two imprecatory psalms, 79 and 137, were written by Asaph and an unknown psalmist.) These prayers were written not so much to exact revenge upon one’s enemies, but rather to emphasize God’s abhorrence of evil, His sovereignty over all mankind, and His divine protection of His chosen people. Many of these prayers were prophetic and could be seen taking place later in the New Testament in actual historical events." 

Comparable words were uttered by the apostle Paul when he cursed false teachers. (2 Corinthians 11:13-15; 2 Peter 2:1-3 etc.).

If anyone has no love for the Lord, let him be accursed. Our Lord, come! (1 Corinthians 16:22).
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8-9 cf. Galatians 5:12; 2 Timothy 4:14; Revelation 6:9-10).

It goes without saying that Joni Lamb is in a bad place before God and has no authority to pronounce "biblical" curses upon others. Joni Lamb is in an adulterous marriage, she promotes the false prosperity gospel, and she has done many wicked things against the body of Christ. Joni Lamb's imprecation is fairly typical of NAR "prophets" who claim authority they do not have. False teacher Benny Hinn did a similar thing about ten years ago.3 Joni Lamb has put herself in a very dangerous place by speaking curses upon believers, and has no doubt exacerbated her already precarious position before the Lord. (Psalm 7:16).

My take on imprecatory prayer is to bear in mind Jesus' command to love our enemies. (Matthew 5:44; Romans 12:14,20-21; 1 Peter 3:9; 1 Thessalonians 5:15 etc.) At the same time, it is necessary to contend for the faith. (Jude 1:3). False teachers/prophets pose a grave threat to the spiritual welfare of the church. As such, I often pray that the Lord will bring down false teachers/ministries and that they will be exposed and stand down for the protection of the body of Christ. (Ephesians 5:11; 1 Corinthians 5:13; 2 Corinthians 1:4; 1 John 4:1-3).  

Joni Lamb desperately needs to repent before it is too late. (Revelation 2:21; 2 Peter 3:9). The alternative does not bear thinking about. ( 2 Peter 2:1-17; Jude 1:12-13).

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. (2 Peter 2:1-3).

1. Prayer of protection
2. What is imprecatory prayer? | GotQuestions.org
3. (231) Benny Hinn curses people - YouTube

REVELATION TV: SPAIN ~ HOWARD CONDER'S WHITE ELEPHANT

It has recently come to my attention that Revelation TV no longer uses its Spanish-based studio for its RMornings programme. The new daily format of RMornings is now broadcast from Revelation TV's London studio. Howard and Leslie Conder recently announced that Nikki Mills and Yemi Balogun turned down an opportunity to move back to the London studio, and due to Spanish law, they had to be made redundant. So far, viewer concerns and queries about the purpose-built office studio complex in Southern Spain funded by the donations of its viewers have been met with a wall of silence.

(102) The Late Show Vision for the Future of revelation tv 2024 - YouTube

It became apparent last February on The Late Show that RTV's Spanish operation was running into difficulties and was not all they hoped it would be. During this programme, it emerged that the main RTV office had relocated to the UK due to staffing problems, issues with Brexit, COVID-19, and technical problems. Gordon Pettie: "We're struggling a little bit.. We've got this fantastic building that the Lord has given us. We acknowledge quite clearly that it was God directed to do that, but now we're saying, 'What really is the purpose of that building?'.. we are beginning to see an increase of programmes in the UK and we have got a dilemma.." (28:00 mark) Pettie made these remarks with a straight face, apparently unwilling to consider the possibility that the Lord had not spoken to Conder about starting Revelation TV.  Even in the face of abject failure, their delusion continues without a thought for those who gave sacrificially to enable the purchase of the Spanish white elephant on the strength of Conder's alleged "vision". Various suggestions were made by viewers, including selling the building in Spain and fundraising for a new London studio! It now appears that the ambitious Spanish project relentlessly touted by RTV presenters was a complete waste of everyone's time, money, and effort. Essentially RTV is back to square one and needs to finance a new London studio! 

Conder: "The prophecies that I got in the beginning.. were so encouraging that gave me a reason for actually going ahead with starting a Christian channel here in the UK.."  

The alleged prophecies that Conder received during the 1990s were from false NAR "Apostles" and "Prophets".

In 1994 Conder received a "prophecy" from proven false NAR "Apostle" Jonathan David at an ecumenical meeting!

NAR "Prophet" Sharon Stone prophesied over Conder in 1999. This is where Conder got the ridiculous idea that he was going to be a modern-day “Elijah”. Ironically, Elijah came against the prophets of Baal, he was not partners with them! (Ephesians 5:7).

NAR "Apostle" Noel Woodroffe's prophecy in 1994 mentions Howard Conder re: God starting Christian TV in the UK.

No doubt the above "prophecies" played into Conder's narcissism during the 1990s and beyond. However, many believers are now becoming more aware that the New Apostolic Reformation is a fake movement consisting of false "Apostles" and "Prophets". 

Pettie: "When we wrote the book 'Broadcasting Christ' we said in it 'Howard, you have had more prophecies that its right, back in 2009/10, to go to Spain and to start the work in Spain.' And it's trying to balance that up with what we can see with our eyes about the situation with Brexit and all the things that are happening at this moment of time.."  

 

Some Background

In 2008 RTV moved its head office to Spain. In 2012 RTV had a permanent television studio base in Spain, but these facilities were deemed unfit for purpose. In 2014 Conder had the "vision" for the Spanish building project. From around early 2015, fundraising commenced for the purchase of land and the building of a new purpose-built television studio complex for the channel in Spain. Following an intense and prolonged period of fundraising, the new Revelation TV studio's "Grand Opening" took place from Friday 21st to Monday 24th of April 2023.1 The new studio 'The Revelation International Centre' was hailed as "A future for the next generation".2 

Howard Conder has repeatedly attacked his detractors for their "false accusations", yet there have been many genuine concerns that RTV has refused to acknowledge. RTV's early compromise with Roman Catholicism and Word-Faith prosperity teachers such as Benny Hinn, Jesse Duplantis, John Hagee, Joyce Meyer, hyper-grace teacher Joseph Prince, ecumenist Hugh Osgood, the 700 Club, and Seventh Day Adventists etc. was not compatible with a man allegedly called by God. Many discerning Christians therefore rejected Conder's claims on the basis that RTV was no better than apostate channels such as Daystar, God TV, and TBN. 

  

Rob Thomas 'Watchman4Wales' May 2015: "It has long been noted that Revelation TV is a very heavily compromised channel, having no qualms about broadcasting the programmes of some of the most grievous wolves in sheep's clothing on the face of the planet. I wrote myself to Revelation TV some while ago concerning their broadcasting of false teachers, an example at that time being their airing of the notorious charlatan Benny Hinn's 'This Is Your Day.' (I had no response whatsoever). Their current schedule includes the likes of Jesse Duplantis and Joyce Meyer, who similarly present "another Jesus... another spirit... another gospel." (2 Corinthians 11:4). It is quite obvious that the channel has learned nothing about unacceptable compromise since Jacob Prasch's departure back in 2011, and the Justin Peters incident the previous year when a live interview with him was taken off air when he dared to "name and shame." They have continued relentlessly along their spiritually reckless way, with wilful disregard as to how their collusion with deadly deceivers brings not only disgrace to the Body of Christ but completely undermines the preaching of the True Gospel, exposing millions of viewers to spiritual mauling and mutilation by hungry wolves who feed off the flock!"3

These days, RTV focuses mainly on political issues, inane chat shows, and regular Bible studies with ecumenist Tim Vince, Anglican John Campbell, and egalitarian Derek Walker (Oxford Bible Church). 

Realistically Conder cannot keep up the delusion that God called him to start Revelation TV. The "God spoke to me" card is wearing very thin with many believers these days!

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1).

1. https://fb.watch/xMdHbvnSze/
2. (101) The Late Show Vision for the Future of revelation tv 2024 - YouTube
3. APOSTASY, ERROR & DECEPTION IN WALES - the watchman4wales blog.: REVELATIONS ABOUT HOWARD CONDER AND REVELATION TV - A FORMER EMPLOYEE SPEAKS OUT CONCERNING THEIR DECEIVING OF VIEWERS OVER THE STATION'S FINANCES!

Previous posts: WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: Revelation TV

DAVID HIND ONE CHURCH LEICESTER: PROPHETIC RELEASE?

 One Church Together | 2nd February 2025, 11.30am

David Hind, who claims to be an "apostolic leader of leaders", received yet another problematic "prophetic word" at One Church this Sunday. 

Hind: "I just feel this verse just came alive in me just as we have been worshipping.. It's from the NIV UK, Job 36:16 and it says this.. He is wooing you.. Now we are going to release something prophetic over you.."

He is wooing you from the jaws of distress to a spacious place free from restriction, to the comfort of your table laden with choice food. (NIV)

What the NIV translation does not bring out is that literally and in context, this verse says what God would have done for Job had he repented as he should have done.

Yea, he would have led thee away out of distress into a broad place, where there is no straitness; and that which is set on thy table should be full of fatness. (English Revised Version).

Clarke: "Even so would he have removed thee - If thou hadst turned to, obeyed, and served him, thy present state would have been widely different from what it is."1  

Barnes: "Even so would he have removed thee - That is, if you had been patient and resigned, and if you had gone to him with a broken heart. Having stated the 'principles' in regard to affliction which he held to be indisputable, and having affirmed that God was ever ready to relieve the sufferer if he would apply to him with a proper spirit, it was natural to infer from this that the reason why Job "continued" to suffer was, that he did not manifest a proper spirit in his trials. Had he done this, Elihu says, the hand of God would have been long since withdrawn, and his afflictions would have been removed."2  

Hind continues... "If you feel there is any restrictions in your life and I am going to ask you to do something brave just here. If you are online you might want to just stand up in your living room or go towards the television..  If there is restriction in your life. Perhaps you have been held back from promotion or a breakthrough in your family or even perhaps marriage or a sickness or something that has restricted you we are going to speak this prophetically over you. So if you are facing restrictions.. I want you to fill the front. If you have any restriction in your life and something resonates come quickly right to the front..   Everyone in the room.. we are going to release a shout and receive an encounter with the Spirit.. speak over yourselves.. say 'God wants to give me a specious place'...   Find that verse in the bible,, underline it, prophecy it over your life.." "prophecy to yourselves..."  

This is absolutely disgusting! Where do the scriptures ever instruct us to to prophecy to ourselves? This theatre went on for around fifteen minutes starting at around the 29:00 mark. Hind repeats the word "restriction" twenty times! I don't believe this "prophetic word" came to Hind spontaneously during the service; in my view, it was an engineered intervention. 

During Hind's spiritual manipulation, the band sang the song 'Break Every Chain' which was written by Will Reagan of Jesus Culture (Bethel Church Redding). This mantra-style song involves decreeing and declaring by repeating the same lyrics "There is power in the name of Jesus.. to break every chain.." over and over again. This kind of "worship" has been described as mind control. Glenn's story:“I saw what I was doing as a band member as not leading people in worship, but participating in ‘conjuring’ the Holy Spirit to ‘come down’. The Holy Spirit being defined as the euphoric feeling that the droning music creates.“3 The scriptures instruct believers to present prayers and petitions with thanksgiving not to decree and declare:  ..do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. (Philippians 4:6 cf. Ephesians 6:18; Matthew 6:7-15; James 5:13-14). 

What Hind demonstrates is classic NAR rhetoric which is very dangerous. The problem with this kind of "word" is that many will wait indefinitely for their elusive "breakthrough". This skewed idea of "faith" puts confidence in false promises of "breakthrough" and is likely to culminate in either discouragement or deconstruction. 

Hind personifies a chronic problem common within charismatic/Pentecostal/NAR circles. Not only is Hind an incompetent teacher with superficial bible knowledge (2 Timothy 2:15), he is also engaging in spiritual abuse. Elihu's words to Job in Job 36 were specifically directed to Job in his distress i.e. they applied to him personally. Personal words to individuals taken from the Old Testament narratives do not apply to Christians in their present circumstances. 

The scriptures do not hold back in denouncing false prophets:

These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm. For them the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved. For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved. For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.” (2 Peter 2:17-22).

Thus says the LORD of hosts: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you, filling you with vain hopes. They speak visions of their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD. (Jeremiah 23:16).

Now I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who create divisions and obstacles that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Turn away from them. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. (Romans 16:17-18).

1. Job 36 Clarke's Commentary
2. Job 36:16 Commentaries: "Then indeed, He enticed you from the mouth of distress, Instead of it, a broad place with no constraint; And that which was set on your table was full of fatness.
3. Leaving the NAR Church: Glenn's story - Berean Research

Further Links

NAR-Overview-with-additional-reading.pdf
Decree and Declare Prayer Is Unbiblical & Evil
Believe That Ye Have Received? What Does That Mean? Mark 11:24 Explained

LANCE WALLNAU GASLIGHTING: THE DAYSTAR SCANDAL

Lance Wallnau Addresses Daystar Scandal

The Roys Report: "Televangelist Lance Wallnau doesn't mention why he's pulling his program from scandal-ridden Daystar TV. Instead, he posts a video Jan. 5, 2025, attributing the uproar over the scandal at Daystar to a 'spirit of strife.' And chastises people commenting on the situation, saying they likely are just acting out of their own unresolved issues."

False prophet and teacher Lance Wallnau is an influential leader in the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and a proponent of Seven Mountain Dominionism. Wallnau is a self-described Christian nationalist who supports the absurd claim that Donald Trump's presidency is "walking us through the Cyrus prophecy of Isaiah 45.” See the links at the end of this post for more information about Dominion Theology. 

Wallnau seeks to suppress the sins of Daystar and other apostate ministries and cloak them in darkness, hence his negligible attempt to silence their critics. (John 3:20; Romans 1:18); Proverbs 28:11). Wallnau accuses those speaking out against Daystar as "meddlers with a spirit of strife". When I heard this accusation it reminded me of King Ahab's accusation against Elijah: When Ahab saw Elijah, Ahab said to him, “Is it you, you troubler of Israel?” And he answered, “I have not troubled Israel, but you have, and your father’s house, because you have abandoned the commandments of the Lord and followed the Baals. (1 Kings 18:17-18).

Wallnau: "Don't get into a spirit of strife. You are not called to be a commentator on everything that is happening..  I don't know when the Body of Christ decided it has the authority to meddle with everyone else's business.."

Actually, believers have a mandate to judge false teachers and to bring sin into the light.

But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.” (1 Corinthians 5:11-13 cf. Deuteronomy 17:7,21:21).

Bible Hub: "The Greek word used here is 'ἐξάρατε' (exarate), which means to remove or drive out. This is a strong directive, indicating the seriousness with which the church should handle sin within its community. The act of expulsion is not merely punitive but is intended to protect the church's integrity and encourage repentance and restoration. Historically, this practice was rooted in the Jewish tradition of maintaining community purity, and Paul adapts it to the Christian context to preserve the sanctity of the church."1

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not become partners with them; for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret. But when anything is exposed by the light, it becomes visible, for anything that becomes visible is light. Therefore it says,
“Awake, O sleeper,
and arise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you.” (Ephesians 5:6-13).

Bible Hub: "The Greek word for 'expose' is 'ἐλέγχετε' (elegchete), which means to reprove, rebuke, or bring to light. This is not merely a call to criticize but to reveal the truth and offer correction."2

Wallnau distorts Luke 12:13-15 in an absurd attempt to support his warped argument. He accuses Daystar's retractors of having wrong motives. Does Wallnau have authority to judge someone else's motives? 

Someone in the crowd said to him, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.” But he said to him, “Man, who made me a judge or arbitrator over you?” And he said to them, “Take care, and be on your guard against all covetousness, for one’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.” (Luke 12:13-15).

Jesus' response to the questioner was one of grave censure and indignation. (ἄνθρωπε, man! The word is sternly repressive. Comp. Romans 2:1.).3 It was not Jesus' mission to involve himself in temporal disputes. Interfering in such a matter would have opened the floodgates and given the impression of temporal authority. Jesus' kingdom was not of this world. (John 18:36). Wallnau expands on Jesus' response and goes on to second guess the motives of those calling out false ministries by accusing them of having a problem with authority. By the way, covetousness is something NAR money preachers know all about! 

Wallnau second guesses Jesus: "'Who gave me jurisdiction over your family dispute? Did my father do

it? You're bringing your problem to me and making me obligated to fix it, rather beware of covetousness.' ..He went right to the root issue in that person which was: if you're not walking sanctified and you're not walking clean, and if you've got a problem with authority.. Let me tell you something, and this is going to it's going to go down like a rat sandwich, but I've ministered for 40 years and a whole lot of people that have issues with church actually have issues in themselves, like 'church authorities is abusive'. Ask them, 'What was your relationship like with your mom and dad?' 'My father my father' then know you find out. People tend, if they don't really do a meticulous job of cleaning out their own closet, they tend to find the other person's closet a fascination. So it's not to say there aren't a whole lot of righteous Christians that are being led by God to do what they're doing. I don't even judge people that get involved with these things. There are preachers that are preaching on these scandals.. I will assume that they are hearing God, but that doesn't mean I'm obligated to have to have a commentary on every one of the seven scandals.. God loves us enough to not deal with us according to our sins, and so we have to have a little bit more of an evangelist heart in the church and beware of strife, its a spirit.."

Wallnau's response is pure gaslighting and scripture twisting. The sin issues connected with Daystar, Gateway Church, IHOP, and the other false ministries being exposed are off-the-chart depraved behavior and sexual abuse on a level that defiles the church and brings the gospel into disrepute. (2 Peter 2:2). True believers should not accept self-appointed leaders who claim authority when their fruit is rotten and they blatantly abuse their alleged position. (Matthew 7:15-20; 2 Peter 2:1; Jude 1:4; Acts 20:29-30; 1 Timothy 4:1-2; Romans 16:17-18).

The "I've ministered for forty years" line.. This bluster was also flaunted by Jimmy Evans and Joni Lamb as an intimidation tactic against Jonathan and Suzy Lamb.4 For this boast to mean anything, we would expect them to rightly interpret the scriptures. (2 Timothy 2:15; Galatians 6:3). Since this is not the case, their forty-plus years in "ministry" are meaningless. 

He does not deal with us according to our sins, nor repay us according to our iniquities. (Psalm 103:10 cf. 2 Corinthians 5:19). Wallnau is right, God does not deal with us as our sins deserve. However, this promise is conditional upon repentance. (Acts 3:19). I have seen no repentance from these wolves. (1 John 1:9; Hebrews 8:12). Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no guilt; but now that you say, ‘We see,’ your guilt remains. (John 9:41; 1 John 1:8-10). 

1. 1 Corinthians 5:13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."
2. Ephesians 5:11 Have no fellowship with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
3. Luke 12:14 Commentaries: But He said to him, "Man, who appointed Me a judge or arbitrator over you?"
4. ‘She’s the Voice of God’: Jimmy Evans, Joni Lamb Accused of Spiritual Abuse

Further Links

False Teacher of the Day #4: Lance Wallnau - by Jeff
Lance Wallnau Is Not Happy That We Pointed Out His False Prophecy | People For
APOSTASY, ERROR & DECEPTION IN WALES - the watchman4wales blog.: Dominionism

ONE CHURCH LEICESTER: DAVID HIND "LEADER OF LEADERS"

"David and Susan Hind are the Senior Leaders of One Church.. David is a dynamic leader of leaders and leads with an apostolic gifting. A man of faith and passion for people, he is committed to seeing Leicestershire and beyond transformed by the gospel of Jesus."1 

Can you imagine any of the real apostles talking like this? (Jeremiah 45:5; 3 John 1:9). This kind of worldly rhetoric would have appalled the real apostles and the early church. The only "Senior Pastor" in the church is Jesus Christ! The express instruction of Jesus was that no one within the body of Christ should seek honorific titles.

But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth your father, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Christ. The greatest among you shall be your servant. For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted. (Matthew 23:8-12).

Berean Study Bible: "The term 'Rabbi' originates from the Hebrew word 'רַבִּי' (rabbi), meaning 'my master' or 'my teacher.' In the historical context of first-century Judaism, being called 'Rabbi' was a title of honor and authority, signifying a person who was a learned teacher of the Law. Jesus, in this passage, is addressing His disciples and the crowds, cautioning them against seeking titles that elevate them above others. This admonition is a call to humility, reminding believers that their worth and identity are not found in titles or human accolades but in their relationship with God. The emphasis here is on the equality and unity of believers, who are all learners under the ultimate Teacher."2  

When people give themselves self-exalting honorific titles of distinction such as Senior Leader, Apostle, Prophet, Senior Prophet, Bishop, Pastor etc. they honour themselves, they do not honour our Lord Jesus Christ. Leaders who are truly Christlike shun anything that glorifies self and detracts from the glory due to God alone. The pattern of leadership practiced throughout the Book of Acts is simply that Paul and Barnabas “appointed elders for them in every church.” (Acts 14:23). The local church in the New Testament consisted of a plurality of male elders. (Acts 14:23,20:28; Philippians 1:1; Hebrews 13:17). The New Testament knows nothing about senior pastors, women pastors, or multi-site churches where one man has the presumption to claim overall leadership. 

The brothers, both the apostles and the elders (Acts 15:23).

This is how one should regard us, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. (1 Corinthians 4:1).

I have been a fool! You forced me to it, for I ought to have been commended by you. For I was not at all inferior to these super-apostles, even though I am nothing. (2 Corinthians 12:11).

To me, though I am the very least of all the saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ.. (Ephesians 3:8).

We sent Timothy, our brother and fellow worker for God in the gospel of Christ, to strengthen and encourage you in your faith.. (1 Thessalonians 3:2).

The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost. But I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life. (1 Timothy 15-16).

James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.. (James 1:1).

So I exhort the elders among you, as a fellow elder.. (1 Peter 5:1).

And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, (2 Peter 3:15).

Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James.. (Jude 1:1).

JP Moreland: "The emergence of the role of senior pastor in the local church is one of the factors that has most significantly undermined the development of healthy churches."3 

Frank A Viola: "In keeping with our Lord's command, biblical elders did not permit themselves to be addressed by honorific titles such as "Pastor Bill," "Elder Tom," "Bishop Jake," or "Reverend Sam" (Matthew 23:7-12). Such titles naturally elevate church leaders to a plane above the other brethren in the assembly. Thus, congregations and clergy alike are responsible for creating the current 'Christian guruism' that is rampant in the church today wherein religious leaders are recast into spiritual celebrities and lauded with fan club status. By contrast, New Testament leaders were viewed as ordinary brethren and were just as approachable and accessible to the saints as any other believer in the church."3

If those who like to give themselves titles were to see God's glory, they would shrivel up in shame. (Job 42:5-6; Isaiah 6:5;  Matthew 17:6; Luke 5:8; Revelation 1:17; Ezekiel 1:28; Daniel 10:8-9). 

The Gospel Coalition: "I mourn for the church because we seem to display so many of the characteristics that Jesus said, 'Not so among you' (Mark 10:43). Shameful arrogance and haughtiness have reached epidemic proportions among church leaders.. A direct implication of Jesus' servant stance was His obliteration of titles.. We have refused to take Jesus' words at face value. Jesus' obvious intent was to remove any basis for 'lording it over' others by dispensing with titles that give people an elevated place in the 'pecking order.' We all occupy the same level ground at the foot of the one Teacher, Jesus Christ. We are not 'great ones' or 'lords'.. Finally, do not accept the designation 'master' or 'leader.' No human can usurp the position of the head of the body, Christ. Our tendency seems always toward idolatry, to make someone larger than life. Never forget: Jesus alone is Lord.."3

The Gospel Coalition: "Unbiblical leadership structures can wreak havoc on the people of God and bring reproach on the name of Jesus Christ. A failure to honor the clear teaching of Scripture on how a church should be governed is a recipe for disaster. .. (problems) can be traced back to a singular, authoritarian pastor who largely avoided meaningful accountability.. In most instances, however, the deacons (or elders) exist only to rubber-stamp his decisions..4

The ultimate rejection of false apostles and prophets 

And on that day, declares the Lord of hosts, I will cut off the names of the idols from the land, so that they shall be remembered no more. And also I will remove from the land the prophets and the spirit of uncleanness. And if anyone again prophesies, his father and mother who bore him will say to him, ‘You shall not live, for you speak lies in the name of the Lord.’ And his father and mother who bore him shall pierce him through when he prophesies.“On that day every prophet will be ashamed of his vision when he prophesies. He will not put on a hairy cloak in order to deceive, but he will say, ‘I am no prophet, I am a worker of the soil, for a man sold me in my youth.’And if one asks him, ‘What are these wounds on your back?’ he will say, ‘The wounds I received in the house of my friends.’ (Zechariah 13:2-6 cf. Isaiah 27:12).

"that day" (בַּיּ֣וֹם הַה֔וּא) This phrase identifies the eschatological "Day of the Lord" when God will act to completely obliterate (הִכְרַתִּ֤י) the idols from the land. Note that false prophets are identified with "a spirit of uncleanness". No unclean thing will enter the millennium and nothing will defile during that period. Those who glibly claim "God told me" in the present age will face the wrath of God and blackest darkness is reserved for them. (Jude 1:12-13). This passage should instill the fear of God in the Hinds and others who falsely claim to receive "prophetic words" that do not come to pass. (Proverbs 9:10). When someone claims "God told me" they should be very sure that God has actually spoken to them! 

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. (2 Peter 2:1 cf. Acts 20:29-30; 1 John 4:1; 1 Timothy 4:1-2; 2 Timothy 4:3-4; Romans 16:17-18).

And the LORD said to me: “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I did not send them, nor did I command them or speak to them. They are prophesying to you a lying vision, worthless divination, and the deceit of their own minds. (Jeremiah 14:14).

Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: “Because you have uttered falsehood and seen lying visions, therefore behold, I am against you, declares the Lord GOD. (Ezekiel 13:8).

1. About | One Church Leicester

2. Matthew 23:8 But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers.

3. Church Leaders and the Use of Honorific Titles

4. Why We Need the ‘Plurality Principle’

Further Links

Podcast: The Bible's Vision for Leadership vs. Daystar TV's
Toxic Church Cultures | GRACE Live Conversation | Scot McKnight & Boz Tchividjian
Answering the Key Questions About Elders
Lessons on Leadership, Pt. 4: Plurality Vs. Singularity - The Good Book Blog - Biola University
Topical Bible: The Boaster

DAYSTAR: AMANDA GRACE "PROPHET" THE VULTURES ARE CIRCLING.

Amanda Grace: The Word of the Lord for Daystar

This is exactly what I feared for Jonathan and Suzy Lamb. No doubt various "prophecies" and "words from the Lord" are coming in thick and fast and I hope they will be very discerning about who they listen to. 

Amanda "Grace" is the founder of Ark of Grace Ministries (AGM) in New York. She claims to be a "Prophetic Ambassador" and an "Apostle" and speaks to nations -- right! AGM: "She empowers believers to discover and walk in their divine destinies. Her dedication transforms lives and makes her a respected leader in the prophetic community." 1 This is classic New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) language. No person living today can meet the biblical qualifications for holding the office of an apostle. See my previous posts debunking the role of modern-day "Apostles". Amanda Grace is an alias. Her other names are Amanda Carbone and Amanda Wagner. There are various exposés of Amanda's false prophecies on YouTube (see the links). 

Unfortunately, Canadian broadcaster Laura-Lynn Tyler Thompson has bought into this woman's false ministry hook, line, and sinker. The lack of discernment among previous Daystar affiliates is extremely concerning. False prophets are very convincing and speak many things that sound biblical until you dig deeper. Amanda has a strong personality and commanding communication skills. She often relies on notes and reads out her alleged "prophecies". I urge Laura-Lynn and others to test the spirits before they endorse anyone as a "prophet". (1 John 4:1). I am not a cessationist. However, when self-appointed "Apostles" and "Prophets" constantly proclaim "Thus saith the Lord" with grandiose sounding "prophecies" be very wary. Marcus Rogers is another "prophet" who repeatedly claims that the Lord has spoken to him directly.2 Thank God this man's puffed-up foolishness has been universally rejected. (2 Corinthians 11:13; Matthew 7:15). Many more wolves are disguising themselves as apostles and prophets in these perilous times. (2 Timothy 3:1-9; 2 Peter 2:1).

Amanda Grace: "I the Lord have seen these things and it grieves me says the Lord. It grieves me that what was created to be a cloud by day has now become a stench publicly. It grieves me says the Lord that what was supposed to be a cloud by day that began in all wholesomeness has become a den of thieves and quarreling and jocking for position and trying to save what hands have made. It grieves me says the Lord to know that this is the state of what the church has become." (December 11th 2024).

Can we honestly say that Daystar was "created (by God) to be a cloud by day" and started out right as Amanda Grace claims? Daystar has never been an authentic Christian ministry (in my opinion). In 1996, the Lambs received a large contribution from arch-deceiver Kenneth Copeland. This enabled them to purchase a station in Colorado, officially turning their television ministry into a network. In August 1997, the staff moved into a 32,000-square-foot (3,000 m2) facility that included production studios and Daystar was officially launched on New Year's Eve 1997.3  Daystar hosts a proliferation of false prosperity teachers. No authentic Christian ministry would give a platform to teachers like Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Jesse Duplantis, Sid Roth, Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyer, and all the other wolves. Apart from that huge red flag, on November 30th, 2010 Marcus Lamb publicly confessed to having had a seven-year extramarital affair. Can any true believer continue in "ministry" during a seven-year-long extramarital affair? Biblically, this appalling sin should have disqualified him from having any leadership role within an authentic church. (1 Timothy 3:1-7). This alleged "ministry" was an abomination from its inception and continues to propagate false teachers to the present day.     

Now I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who create divisions and obstacles that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Turn away from them. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. (Romans 16:17-18).

1. About Us | Ark of Grace Ministries
2. IS THIS MAN DANGEROUS? Daystar & Joni Lamb Defended by Marcus Rodgers - Hears Directly from God?
3. Daystar Television Network - Wikipedia

Further Links

Amanda Grace Forbids You to Praise Jesus While She Speaks. Donations are OK !!!The False Prophets Are Getting Bolder | Amanda Grace Saga | Part 1
Amanda Grace & Robin Bullock Exposed.

Amanda Grace' Failed Passover Prophecy. Says God quotes Aleister Crowley.
Holly Pivec on “New Apostolic Reformation” ( NAR ) | Learning in the Open

FURTHER EXPOSURE OF DAYSTAR WICKEDNESS

 

The above clip from a video by Laura-Lynn Tyler Thompson with her guest former Daystar employee Morgan Farris is a powerful example of the spiritual abuse practiced by Daystar and other wolves involved in teaching the "prosperity gospel". 

This heresy is promoted by many false Charismatic/Pentecostal/NAR teachers under the Word-Faith label. The "prosperity gospel"  has its roots in the occult "New Thought movement” and is a form of witchcraft wrapped up in Christianese.

The despicable predatory conduct of greedy televangelists who appeal for repeated gifts from people in financial distress or personal crises has long been denounced by orthodox teachers. Those who buy into this teaching are given false hope that giving a gift or "sowing a seed" will reap financial benefits, in this case, ten times the amount donated. When the alleged prosperity fails to materialize, victims are spiritually abused and condemned because they "lack faith". This wicked teaching is extremely dangerous and leads to spiritual ruin. Mark and avoid the wolves who promote this heresy. (Isaiah 56:11).

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. (Romans 16:17-18).

The full video: Daystar Former Employee Speaks Ou
Caveat: I do not agree with everything in this video. For instance:

Robert Morris (Gateway Church) was not only a child abuser he was a prosperity teacher obsessed with tithing: 

Why Robert Morris Is A False Teacher – Evangelical Dark Web

I regard Rodney Howard-Browne aka "the Holy Ghost Bartender" as a dangerous false teacher: 

(298) Rodney Howard Browne - False Teacher? Rare footage! - YouTube

Women pastors/elders are not biblical:  

Women Leaders in the New Testament: Women in Ministry part 4

In my view, there is much more false teaching that needs to be rectified by those coming out of Daystar. Having said that, they have made a good start and I am praying that God will lead them into all truth. (John 16:13).

ONE CHURCH LEICESTER: DAVID HIND IS NOT AN APOSTLE! THE EVIDENCE

Many discernment ministries have recently commented that we are in "a season of exposure" and that God is judging the church at the present time. A few of the most well-known "ministries" to have been exposed recently are Benny Hinn, Robert Morris/Gateway Church, Brian Houston/ Hillsong, Mike Bickle/IHOP, David Platt/McLean Bible Church, Chris Reed/MorningStar, and, of course, Joni Lamb/Daystar. Entitled NAR leaders shamelessly flaunt opulent lifestyles at the expense of their much less affluent followers. (Isaiah 56:11). One of the most shocking examples I have seen is Joni Lamb's $100,000 honeymoon! These wolves increase while Jesus decreases; they dare to abuse their positions in the name of the Lord to their own destruction. He must increase, but I must decrease. (John 3:30 cf. 2 Peter 2:1).

The faulty megachurch model that the Hinds have sought to emulate at One Church is beginning to crumble. At last, many believers are waking up and rejecting unqualified leaders who promote themselves and lord it over the flock. (1 Peter 5:3; Matthew 20:25-28; Ezekiel 34:2-4). My prayer is that the growth of biblical assemblies based on the New Testament model of autonomous congregations, the truth of the scriptures, and faithful teachers will continue to grow. 

Jesus' rejection of those he never knew, is specifically directed against those who make all kinds of claims regarding prophecy and signs and wonders. These claims are made predominantly by the false prophets of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) within the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement.  On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ (Matthew 7:22-23). Jesus Himself warned about seeking signs. (Matthew 12:39,16:4,24:24 cf. Deuteronomy 13:1-2). Lying signs will be the deception of the Antichrist. (2 Thessalonians 2:9; Revelation 13:13-14,19:20,16:14). That is not to say that Jesus does not perform miracles among believers, but there is a caution to test the spirits. (1 John 4:1). The showmanship of Benny Hinn, one of the false teachers endorsed by the Hinds, is a graphic example of lying signs.     

In line with their unbiblical egalitarian views, David and Susan Hind describe themselves as "Senior Leaders" and "joint pastors" of One Church. On their website, Susan Hind is described as "a bible teacher carrying a prophetic gifting" while David Hind is described as "a dynamic leader of leaders with an apostolic gifting".1 These narcissistic claims should ring alarm bells. The real apostles never boasted in such ways. (Ephesians 3:8; Acts 20:24; James 1:1; Jude 1:1). When someone claims to have an "apostolic/prophetic gifting" it is an underhand way of claiming that they are an "apostle" or a "prophet".* The Hinds have strong links with the NAR as demonstrated by their association with false "prophet" Simon Braker. Make no mistake, if you attend One Church you are attending an NAR church and are at risk of spiritual deception. 
*"Apostolic" & Prior "Prophetic" Ministries 😳

The NAR is a dominionist movement that asserts God's restoration of the "lost offices of church governance, specifically the offices of Prophet and Apostle". These "lost offices" were invented by false teacher C Peter Wagner in the 1990s. (Proverbs 30:6). Before Wagner, these "offices" did not exist within the church for almost 2000 years. Holly Pivec: "NAR apostles and prophets claim to possess much greater authority than pastors and elders. This is because pastors and elders must submit to the apostles and prophets since they are divinely authorized spokespersons for God. Also, pastors and elders govern within a single church. But NAR apostles and prophets may govern multiple churches at once. And, in many cases, the authority of these apostles and prophets extends beyond churches to workplaces, cities, and nations. Thus, NAR prophets and apostles claim to wield extraordinary authority with insufficient accountability. These claims have opened doors to abusive leadership and the promotion of harmful and aberrant teachings that have caused spiritual harm to countless individuals. They’ve brought division and disunity to many families and churches."2   

David Hind is NOT an apostle - the evidence  

The Church is built on the original foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the cornerstone (Ephesians 2:20; 2 Corinthians 3:11). 

Following the betrayal and death of Judas Iscariot, the decision to select his replacement was based on Psalm 109:8: Let another take his office.

So one of the men who have accompanied us during all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, beginning from the baptism of John until the day when he was taken up from us—one of these men must become with us a witness to his resurrection. (Acts 1:21-22).

These verses set out the essential criteria for apostleship: An apostle must be a disciple of Jesus Christ during His earthly ministry, and he must be an eyewitness of Jesus' resurrection. The twelve apostles were commissioned directly by Jesus. The selection of Judas' replacement was achieved by praying and casting lots. (Acts 1:21-26).  And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which one of these two you have chosen to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place.” And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles. (Acts 1:24-26).

Paul was the last apostle chosen directly by Jesus Christ as one "untimely born".

Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. (1 Corinthians 15:7-8).

No man alive today fulfills the Acts 1:21-22 criteria of an apostle.

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. (2 Corinthians 11:13-15).

David and Susan Hind are NOT prophets - the evidence

The criteria for determining a true prophet is that their prophecies come to pass. (Deuteronomy 18:21-22). This may seem obvious, but many NAR "prophets" prophecy things that blatantly do not come to pass. Even if their prophecies do come to pass, but they encourage the worship of other gods these "prophets" should be rejected. God commanded that false prophets must be to be put to death in the Old Testament. (Deuteronomy 13:1-3,18:20 cf. Matthew 24:24; 2 Peter 2:1-3). 

NAR "prophets" are very good at raising false hopes and use buzzwords such as "breakthrough" "outpouring", "prophetic" and "revival". Their prophecies are in direct contradiction to explicit New Testament warnings of unprecedented end-time wickedness and apostasy. (Matthew 24:12; 2 Timothy 3:1,4:1-3; 2 Peter 3:3; Jude 1:18; 1 John 2:18). NAR leaders play the "God told me" card which automatically trumps the scriptures leaving believers who have doubts in a confused and vulnerable position. 

Both David and Susan Hind have prophecied revival in Leicester for some years. In a short video released on the 30th June 2020 "Pray for Change" both Susan and David Hind parrot the "revival" mantra of the NAR false prophets that we have heard repeated year after year. This mantra has worn rather thin over the years and many believers have come to reject the false promises of "imminent revival". False "prophets" never question why their "revival" never comes to anything, but astonishingly they persist unrepentant and undeterred.  

Susan Hind begins by quoting the first part of Jeremiah 33:9 out of context - And this city shall be to me a name of joy, a praise and a glory before all the nations.. According to Susan Hind, many people have prayed this verse "over our city" over the years. What NAR "prophets" describe as "prayer" often consists of the unbiblical practice of "declaration". They "decree and declare" certain things they decide are going to happen rather than submitting genuine prayers of petition to the Lord. (Matthew 6:10).

Susan Hind: "Right now the eyes of the world are on Leicester and Leicestershire... so what about if God was about to break into our city and county?"

David Hind continued the hype with the words from the song "Change" by Bright City:

We can see a change coming
Our God is here to save
We can see a change coming
The streets are filled with praise
We can see a change coming
The church will take her place
We can see a change coming
Revival’s on its way  

David Hind: "God is at work here in Leicestershire.."3  

On the 1st May 2022 David Hind went even further: "This is a fulfillment season, an outbreak season."4 Over a year later, Hind proclaimed "We are still on the cusp of revival".4 This is typical of false prophets who constantly repeat that we are on the cusp of something enormous, but that "something" never happens.

The non-fulfillment of these "prophecies" is clear evidence that David and Susan Hind are not genuine prophets.

In addition to their false "apostolic/prophetic" claims, the Hinds are false teachers. This was recently demonstrated by David Hind's abysmal Mickey Mouse teaching on women pastors and tithing.4 Furthermore, their ungodly associations, their history of flouting the scriptures, and their constant pressure to give to the One Church "Vision" are additional reasons to reject their "ministry". (2 Timothy 2:15,4:16; James 3:1). 

1. About | One Church Leicester
2. Protect your church from the NAR: adopt a position paper — Holly Pivec
3. https://youtu.be/VHaj5wKqiac
4. WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: One Church Leicester

Further Links

The Assemblies of God and the NAR — Holly Pivec
The Heretical Submission Doctrine of Jimmy Evans & Joni Lamb | The Roys Report
Pastor LOSES IT Over Explosive House Church Growth - What’s Really Going On?

THE DEMONIC SUBMISSION DOCTRINE OF JONI LAMB DAYSTAR

The Heretical Submission Doctrine of Jimmy Evans & Joni Lamb | The Roys Report

This podcast by Julie Roys and Lance Ford uncovers the horror of the demonic "submission doctrine" operating within Daystar. This unbiblical doctrine is not limited to Daystar, it causes widespread damage to believers within many churches and is most prevalent within NAR and Charismatic churches. (1 Timothy 4:1). The above analysis of the spiritual abuse meted out by Joni Lamb and Jimmy Evans to Joni's son, Jonathan, and his wife Suzy is very eye-opening. Hopefully, it will help many Christians to discern the true nature of submission and authority within the church. 

..and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (John 8:32).

JONI LAMB DAYSTAR: SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED!

The Roys Report: Full Audio of Daystar Meeting

Roys Report: "During their time at Daystar TV Network, former Vice President Jonathan Lamb and his wife, Suzy Lamb, say they were spiritually abused by Jonathan’s mother, Daystar President Joni Lamb, and her close ally, Jimmy Evans. In this special edition of The Roys Report, we’re releasing full audio of Joni and Jimmy Evans’ meeting with Jonathan and Suzy Lamb in which Evans claims Joni is 'the voice of God' to Jonathan and Suzy..  What you are about to hear is one of the most stunning examples of spiritual abuse that I've ever witnessed.. "

The above meeting was between Jony Lamb, her close ally and "spiritual adviser" Jimmy Evans, and Jonathan and Suzy Lamb. Evans is the founder and president of XO Marriage and Tipping Point Ministries. He is a pre-trib rapture teacher and touts himself as an end-time prophecy expert. His theology raises several red flags biblically, and his behaviour during this meeting did nothing to ease my doubts regarding his suitability as a prophecy expert, a marriage counselor, or a spiritual adviser. I have added a link below that biblically debunks the pre-trib rapture. (1 John 4:1).

The main topic of the discussion centred around the marriage between Joni Lamb and Doug Weiss. Doug Weiss divorced his wife Lisa of thirty years in 2021 just two months after the death of Joni's husband Marcus Lamb. Joni claims to have begun dating Weiss in August 2022 and they married in June 2023. She paid for the $100,000 honeymoon in two installments with the Daystar credit card.1 From a biblical perspective, marriage to a divorced person in these circumstances is unsanctioned. No legitimate pastor could have endorsed this marriage. Nevertheless, Jimmy Evans gave it his full approval and officiated. Apart from the scriptural perspective, the speed of events leading up to the marriage is very odd given Joni's recent bereavement. 

To add to the strangeness, Weiss previously held out his first marriage as a beacon and an example that enhanced his reputation as "a renowned expert in the field of relationships and sexuality". Even after his divorce, Weiss kept up the illusion that he was married.

Nex News: "Dr. Doug Weiss and his wife, Lisa Weiss, have forged a strong partnership built on love, understanding, and shared values. Their journey as a couple has been marked by mutual respect and support, which has contributed to their enduring bond. As Dr. Weiss empowers others to enhance their relationships, his own marriage serves as a testament to the principles he advocates."3

According to Evans: "Doug Weiss was justified in divorcing his wife because he was emotionally abused."  This statement is at variance with Weiss's previous declaration of "happiness" with his first wife. 

Behold, you delight in truth in the inward being, and you teach me wisdom in the secret heart. (Psalm 51:6).

Biblical divorce and remarriage - it's an open and shut case! 

You do not have to be a rocket scientist to understand that there is only one circumstance in which a man or woman can divorce and remarry. However, "biblical expert" Jimmy Evans has contrived additional nonbiblical categories and has put many at risk of committing adultery. He has added "abuse, addiction, and abandonment" to adultery as valid reasons to divorce and remarry. Joni Lamb and Doug Weiss have applied Evans' nonbiblical category of "emotional abuse" to their adulterous marriage and Joni has insisted that it is accepted as valid within the cultish community of Daystar. (Proverbs 30:6; Deuteronomy 12:32; 2 Corinthians 10:5).

Now I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.” (Matthew 19:9 cf. Mark 10:11-12; Luke 16:18).

"It was also said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. (Matthew 5:31-32).

To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. (1 Corinthians 7:10-11).

For the man who does not love his wife but divorces her, says the LORD, the God of Israel, covers his garment with violence, says the LORD of hosts. So guard yourselves in your spirit, and do not be faithless.” (Malachi 2:16).

Jonathan and Suzy's qualms about the legitimacy of Joni's marriage were completely justified. To have given way to this level of ungodly coercion would have violated their consciences and would have been sinful. Joni and Jimmy Evans' maltreatment of them culminated with the reprehensible ultimatum "Submit or leave".

Jimmy Evans to Jonathan and Suzy Lamb: "So do you feel that she (Joni) is in an adulterous relationship?"

Suzy Lamb "No. that's not why we didn't do that."

Evans repeated the question

Jonathan Lamb: "Well I think God is the judge of that, I can't really say for sure."

Evans: "Well you're judging". 

Suzy: That's not because of that though.. That's a boundary, that's her marriage, it's different from ministry. Ministry.. we are here to talk about God and we're here to do that.  Her marriage is out of Daystar, we have no relationship with him (Dough Weiss). He has not talked to us once and we.. I will never be fake on TV.."

I appreciate that Jonathan and Suzy were in a difficult position and that their relationship with Joni and their jobs were at stake. However, I think they would have done better to voice their objections to the marriage upfront. I am reminded of John the Baptist's bold rebuke against Herod regarding his illegitimate marriage to Herodias. (Matthew 14:4). Not everyone is that bold, but the issue of Joni's adulterous marriage to Doug Weiss is a deal-breaker as far as Christian witness and ministry is concerned. Jonathan and Suzy could not have endorsed the marriage without participating in Joni's spiritual defilement. (Matthew 15:19; Proverbs 1:1,10; 1 Corinthians 13:6).

But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. (1 Corinthians 5:11).

Joni is desperate to gain approval for her adulterous marriage, in fact, she demands it. She is willing to put this marriage above her alleged faith and her family. I refer to it as "alleged faith" because Daystar is an ungodly channel that gives a platform to many false teachers. As the meeting progressed, the spiritual abuse and persecution against Jonathan and Suzy was difficult to listen to. The scripture twisting, and the false accusations of rebellion and witchcraft were nothing less than demonic. Between them, Joni Lamb and Jimmy Evans did a thorough job of calling evil good and good evil. (Isaiah 5:20). These tactics have nothing to do with biblical Christianity.  

Evans: "Joni is the voice of God to you". Anyone who insists on submission to unbiblical precepts in the name of God is operating in the spirit of deception. (1 John 4:6). No one can take the place of God in another person's life in any circumstances. Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. (1 John 2:18). "Antichrist" is translated from the combination of two Greek words ἀντί + Χριστός (anti + Christos). In Greek, Χριστός means "anointed one" and the word Christ derives from it. "Ἀντί" means not only anti in the sense of "against" and "opposite of", but also "in place of". (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4).2 

Joni Lamb's dodgy counselors

Joni's counselors have been very willing to flout the scriptures to accommodate her adulterous marriage. (Psalm 107:11).

When Jonathan pressed Joni for the name of the pastor who advised her about her marriage she refused to name him. All we know is that he is "a pastor of thirty-five years". This argument of "experience" and length of time in so-called "ministry" is a red herring.  The fact that he gave this appalling advice demonstrates that he is unqualified. ( 2 Timothy 2:15).      

Joni named Shawn Bolz as one of her "prophetic advisors". Shawn (Smart Phone) Bolz is a deceiver who is known for his "iPhone prophecies" i.e. he uses the internet to obtain information about people in his audience to give them "words of knowledge". Bolz was caught out when he mixed up two people with the same name in one of his meetings and it backfired on him. Tom Lennie: "This single incident confirms beyond reasonable doubt what I and many other Bolz sceptics have strongly suspected for years – Shawn Bolz uses the internet to obtain the information for his ‘words of knowledge’."4 

Joni Lamb: "Shortly after some people learned that Doug and I were seeing each other, Shawn Bolz told me the Lord showed him there would be many significant marriages in 2023 and that God was bringing couples together in unusual pairings."5 

Joni's "spiritual adviser" Jimmy Evans: "Jimmy himself knew that he was accountable to God for what he taught and how he counseled. He later confided in me, 'Joni, when you came to me and began to talk to me about Doug, I was concerned as your older brother in Christ. My concern was, I don’t want anything for you that God won’t bless. If I felt like this guy was a bad guy, someone that had divorced without a cause or whatever, I’d chase him off. I don’t care what you say; I’d chase him off! I seriously prayed about it because I knew I needed the discernment of the Lord..' I brought Jimmy in at the start of my relationship with Doug, and he immediately called and talked to Doug extensively. Not only did Jimmy and Doug talk, but they also went through several intensive sessions together so Jimmy could determine the biblical credibility of Doug’s divorce and whether I could confidently pursue a marriage relationship with God’s blessing.5

Joni: "The other day we had Barry Segal on. Well, Suzy and Rebecca they just like and love Derek Prince right, love him. So his first wife died. Did you know his second wife was divorced for abandonment, there was no adultery. Barry Segal same thing, married to Batya. Guess what? She was married before; abandonment, no adultery. So you can say all you want that he (Doug) doesn't have a biblical reason, but he does, he does have a biblical reason." (45:00 mark)

Firstly, I regard Derek Prince as one of the most dangerous false teachers ever to have deceived the church. This praise of Derek Prince demonstrates the unspeakable level of delusion within the professing church. I have added a link to Prince's lethal false teachings. Putting my loathing for Prince's teaching aside, perhaps Joni was mistaken, or, given her questionable relationship with truth, perhaps she was lying when she said there was no adultery in Ruth Bakers' first marriage! In his own words, Derek Prince describes his marriage to Ruth Baker..

Derek Prince: "I fully satisfied myself that Ruth’s first husband had been manifestly unfaithful and that was the basis of the divorce. On that basis I felt that Ruth was scripturally free to marry me without any stigma of inferiority or guilt."6

I know nothing about the circumstances of Barry and Batya Segals marriage and I am unable to validate Joni's claim that there was no adultery. If this is true, it is obvious that believers should never follow the bad example of others, we should always follow the scriptures! (3 John 1:11).

 

This horrible situation is not only about Joni Lamb and what she wants. Joni has publicly dishonoured God, she has hurt her family, she has damaged the wider Christian community and she has brought the gospel into disrepute. (2 Peter 2:2; Romans 1:32). The murky world of Daystar is something to be avoided at all costs!

And now I make one more appeal, my dear brothers and sisters. Watch out for people who cause divisions and upset people’s faith by teaching things contrary to what you have been taught. Stay away from them. Such people are not serving Christ our Lord; they are serving their own personal interests. By smooth talk and glowing words they deceive innocent people. (Romans 16:17-18).

1. Joni Lamb Denies Daystar Paid $100K for Honeymoon, but Reports Show Otherwise

2. Meet Dr. Doug Weiss: His Marriage to Lisa Weiss and Parenthood Journ
3. Strong's Greek: 500. ἀντίχριστος (antichristos) -- Antichrist
4. Discerning False Prophecy: Part Three
5. How God Miraculously Led Joni Lamb and Doug Weiss Together - Charisma News
6. Divorce, Remarriage, Celibacy | Sermon | Derek Prince Ministries

Further Links

7 Pretrib Problems and the Prewrath Rapture (Full Movie)
Todd White and Shawn Bolz - Proven Cold Readers!
WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: Derek Prince
Daystar TV Joni Lamb Threaten Christian Youtubers With Lawsuit
The Roys Report Refuses Daystar’s Demand to Retract Articles
Joni Lamb and Doug Weiss Relationship with Jimmy Evans Blessing & More SHOCKING Information

Disclaimer: The views expressed in this post are my opinions and personal interpretations of the scriptures.

I have added this disclaimer because Daystar Television Network has employed the law firm Kelly Hart & Hallman LLP to send requests for “correction and retraction of statements" to various discernment ministries with the threat of defamation lawsuits levied against them if they don’t remove the so-called “defamatory statements”. Yet again we see this heretical network throwing its weight around and flouting the scriptures! (1 Corinthians 6:1-8).