ONE CHURCH DAVID HIND: HIGHLY PROBLEMATIC

THE LIFE YOU ARE CREATED TO LIVE | David Hind (20th July 2025)

Open Heaven?

Above: Hind is regurgitating a false teaching that has been circulating within NAR circles for years by false prophets and teachers such as Paul Cain, Bill Johnson, Bob Jones, Todd Bentley, Mike Bickle, Rick Joyner, Emma Stark, and Benny Hinn. Those who teach it often refer to "the seer anointing". They cite the experiences of Jacob, Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Paul, and John etc. These examples are rare pivotal moments in the bible and are not normative experiences. From this false teaching come stories of divine or angelic visitations and outrageous, unverifiable prophesies. Like many false teachings, the "open heaven anointing" is based partly on truth, but the scriptures are warped to an extent that distorts the meaning and gives narcissist wannabes a delusional sense of their own importance as prophets or seers.

And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.” (Matthew 3:16-17).

After this I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven! And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” At once I was in the Spirit, and behold, a throne stood in heaven, with one seated on the throne.. (Revelation 4:1-2).

The epistles are the manual for believers to follow. We have instructions for holy living and are required to trust God and to humbly follow him. Significantly, the miracles in the above passages were not coveted or sought by the people involved. Rather, they were initiated by God Himself and are powerful moments in redemptive history. Taking verses out of their original context and using them as a blueprint for how we should hear from God when the circumstances of the story are completely different is extremely problematic. 

The noun δύναμις > power (Acts 1:8). Dynamite was the interpretation frequently used by false teacher Reinhard Bonnke. δύναμις comes from the English dynamic or dynamite. However, as with many faith healers with tall stories and claims of mass "miracles", Bonnke was exposed as a fake in a HBO video in 2011: A Question of Miracles (Faith Healing) Part 1

Strong's: "From dunamai: force (literally or figuratively); specially, miraculous power (usually by implication, a miracle itself) -- ability, abundance, meaning, might(-ily, -y, -y deed), (worker of) miracle(-s), power, strength, violence, mighty (wonderful) work."1

Hind's manic OTT style, his revisionist history of TLC/One Church, his false prophecies, exaggerations, out-of-context teaching, and ethical compromises are highly dubious on many levels. 

Hind puts the Bible at the top of his list as a way of hearing God's voice. However, his own careless handling of scripture and his inaptitude fall woefully short of the biblical standard required of a pastor. (James 3:1). Hind's "confident assertions" are based on myth and mere speculation. (1 Timothy 1:3-7).   

Hind demonstrates the folly and presumption of using scripture to validate ungodly decisions. He quotes Genesis 12:1-2 in order to justify his move to Leicester in 2007 as God's will. In fact, Hind was allegedly "invited" to come to Leicester by Brian Niblock, who failed to support the man whom he had trained for years as his successor, and arguably the man who was called to lead TLC. If Niblock had done the right thing, the whole church would have supported him. Niblock's weakness and capitulation to the three elders at that time was a pivotal moment in the life of TLC! Almost as soon as Hind arrived at TLC, there was a discernible drop in biblical standards. After witnessing Hind's ungodly style of leadership, it was not long before a number of attendees, including myself, began to have grave concerns about his competence as a pastor. This woeful beginning has progressed into a long list of unethical decisions and damnable statements ethusiastically spewed by Hind during his tenure at TLC/One Church.

Further examples..   

In 2013, God allegedly spoke to "them" to become a multisite church: "Enlarge the place of your tent.." (Isaiah 54:2). As far as I am aware, no one questioned the fact that this alleged prophecy does not fit the New Testament autonomous leadership model of church leadership.

In 2021, Hind claims that he was given a "prophetic word" from Habakuk 2:1. "The Lord wants you to climb up". From this alleged "prophetic word" came the union of TLC and All Nations Church Leicester (ANCL), which was a "shipwreck".  When churches host false prophets like Emma Stark and Heidi Baker and are rabid NAR proponents, we are to mark and avoid them, not join with them! The temptation of acquiring the building on Frog Island was no doubt a significant factor in their decision to unite with ANCL.

Hind's failed "imminent revival" prophecy of 2022 is clear evidence that he is a false prophet.

David Hind (1st May 2022): "This is a fulfillment season, an outbreak season."2  

(Deuteronomy 18:32; Ezekiel 13:13; Jeremiah 23:16; 2 Peter 2:1-3).

Hind frequently insists that One Church is not about ego or about him personally.

Hind: "Sometimes we can get this picture, this green room culture of the mighty man or woman of God, separate from the people coming in. I don't want to disappoint you, but that ain't us because without the grace of God, I'm done."

Methinks Hind protests too often and too much! Authentic godly leaders do not need to speak such things or repeat them at every opportunity. If Hind is as humble as he claims, then he would not refer to himself as "an apostolic leader of leaders". Only a narcissist would adopt such a title. A true man of God, confident in his calling, would not find this kind of repetition necessary. The constant reminders of his so-called "calling" are a tactic to convince others and possibly even himself that he is authentic. 

Dr Jesse Collins: "Often religious leaders use Bible scriptures or scripture-like soundings, or they'll say they had a vision of something, and this vision told them X, and they'll keep repeating these lines over and over again..  a repetition of mantras is a common, well-known worldwide control mechanism for people.."3  

The standards required for testing spiritual gifts have been ignored by NAR false prophets, and the resulting abuse and damage to believers is glaringly obvious. The latest abominable "prophecy" from  Mike Bickle's sister, Lisa Bickle Stribling, is one of the most shocking examples I have seen: Survivors of Mike Bickle’s Alleged Sex Abuse Condemn His Sister’s Attempt to Discredit Them  

Believers are required to test everything and not just accept any "word" allegedly from God. (1 John 4:1). If a prophecy fails, then that man or woman is to be marked and avoided!  (Romans 16:17-18). Just because Benny Hinn, Todd Bentley, Shawn (smartphone) Bolz, Mike Bickle, and David Hind (fill in the blank) claim to have received a word from God, we should not automatically believe them; in fact, quite the reverse, since these men are proven false prophets.

Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind.. (Colossians 2:18).

We are in very dangerous territory when we imagine that God is communicating something to us that cannot be validated by the scriptures or fails to come to pass. Every book in the New Testament, apart from Philemon, warns about false prophets and teachers. Paul anticipated this problem within the church. I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them. Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to admonish every one with tears. (Acts 20:29-30).

For those ready to deconstruct from NAR indoctrination and onslaught, I recommend Leaving the Message*, which traces the development of the NAR to the cult of William Branham. Branham's cult has many deep historical connections to the AoG.*

1, Strong's Greek: 1411. δύναμις (dunamis) -- Power, strength, ability, might, miracle
2. WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: ONE CHURCH LEICESTER (FORMERLY TRINITY LIFE CHURCH): DAVID AND SUSAN HIND NARCIGESIS

3. Overcoming: Understanding Post Traumatic Stress - Episode 71 William Branham Historical Research

*(284) Leaving the Message - YouTube

* The Assemblies of God

Holly Pivec

DEREK PRINCE'S DARK CONNECTION TO WILLIAM BRANHAM

Derek Prince & Dark Legacy of the Shepherding Movement | Revival History | Charles Paisley | Ep 3

"Leaving the Message is a project of William Branham Historical Research, critically examining William Marrion Branham (a.k.a. William Marvin Branham, 1907–1965), a Pentecostal revivalist and doomsday prophet whose teachings gave rise to authoritarian cults and spiritual abuse. We trace his influence into N.A.R., Latter Rain, Word of Faith, and Deliverance ministries."

The host of Leaving the Message, John Collins, and his co-host Charles Paisley are former members of the Branham cult and are well qualified to evaluate its complex history and influence. The sect known as 'The Message' or 'The Message of The Hour' is a label adopted by Brahnam's followers. The movement continues to exist, having followers in North America, Latin America, Africa, Europe, Australia, and many parts of Asia.1 Collins and Paisley describe Branham as "A Pentecostal revivalist and doomsday prophet whose teachings gave rise to authoritarian cults and spiritual abuse."

Branham claimed to have received an angelic visitation on May 7th, 1946, that allegedly commissioned his worldwide ministry and launched his campaign career. His fame spread exponentially, and many people were drawn to his accounts of angelic visitations and reports of the miraculous at his meetings. Branham's ministry spawned many emulators and was the catalyst for the broader healing revival that later became the modern charismatic movement. In all, Branham claimed to have received seven (actually eighteen) visions from God dating from 1933. These visions have been debunked as fabrications on the following link: William Branham's 1933 Visions .. Debunked! - Episode 33 William Branham Historical Research Podcast : John Collins, Charles Paisley : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive  In actuality Branham was a plagarist whose primary source was the "prophetic" writings of 17th century mystic Jane Lead.*  

Steve Montgomery: "Driven by 'ongoing revelations' and through 'borrowing' and plagiarizing the written works of the Esoterically-inspired, 17th century mystic and 'prophetess' Jane Lead, these 'prophets' of the Latter Rain developed the idea that 'all things' to be achieved in the 'end-times' would occur through the essentially deified 'corporate Body of Christ' prior to the literal, physical, personal return of the individual Jesus Christ."2 

The preamble gives a brief insight into the history of Branhamism. For the purposes of this post, I will limit my focus to the Shepherding Movement, aka the Discipleship or Covering Movement, which was established as a discipleship network during the 1960s by five charismatic teachers based in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. These five teachers became known as "The Fort Lauderdale Five": Charles Simpson, Bob Mumford, Derek Prince, Don Basham, and Ern Baxter. The emphasis of the Shepherding Movement was on spiritual accountability, submission to authority, and close discipleship relationships. All five of these men were deeply influenced by William Brahnam. In particular, Ern Baxter was Branham's campaign manager between 1947 and 1953. Baxter often shared a platform with Branham, and their joint meetings were frequently referred to as the "Baxter-Branham meetings". Eventually, Baxter became disillusioned and parted company with Branham in 1953/4.2

Ern Baxter: "In the ministry with William Branham, I saw a dimension of the supernatural, that had in it such seeds of Christian unity and other good fruits that my excitement was hard to contain. But when I saw carnality start to invade the movement - exaggeration, misrepresentation, metaphysics and eventually the breakdown of many of the healers in critical areas of their lives, because they couldn't handle the crowds, the popularity or the money - I had to withdraw from it.."3 

Competing schisms subsequently developed from Branham's cult, and he became a catalyst for the Latter Rain Movement. The key component in these schisms was the emphasis on the five-fold ministry consisting of prophets, apostles, elders, preachers, and teachers (as outlined in Ephesians 4:11). The movement was based on ungodly hierarchical apostolic–prophetic structures with "prophets and apostles" claiming direct authority from God. Many direct parallels can be drawn between the Latter Rain Movement and the governance structure of the NAR. The most striking parallel is the alleged authority of modern-day "prophets and apostles" and their claim to receive direct, unverifiable revelations from God. 

The discussion proper about Derek Prince begins at the 29:00 mark. Prince came from a high socioeconomic status (SES) and attended Eton College and Cambridge University. Those coming from high SES backgrounds often have an entrenched attitude of entitlement. In my view, Prince's assumed "spiritual authority" was based on his privileged background rather than on calling and spiritual maturity. (Romans 8:5-9).

  

Prince cultivated a close association with Branham and the Assemblies of God, which was the largest branch of the Latter Rain movement during the 1950s and 1960s. In 1962, Prince moved to Canada from Kenya, where he had been a missionary, and he became a US citizen. He subsequently became pastor of the AoG Broadway Tabernacle in Seattle, where he ministered alongside key Latter Rain player and elder James A. Watt of Sharon Orphanage. Prince also became involved directly with Branham and the Full Gospel Business Men's Fellowship International (FGBMFI). His association with Branham led to a move to the AoG Faith Tabernacle in Chicago.4 Paisley contends that Prince's ministry was entirely facilitated by his association with Branham: "Derek Prince had to get William Branham's blessing in order to share the stage with him."  

The Shepherding Movement consisted of pyramid structures of "sheep and shepherds" that demanded the total submission of the lower ranks to the five-fold ministry as a requirement for "perfection" or what they referred to as "maturity". Rank and file members were required to submit to an authority figure known as a "shepherd" who micromanaged their lives via "covenant relationships". The shepherds in turn submitted to the Five or their subordinates. Members were not permitted to make lifestyle decisions, including marriage, house moves, career choices, visits to doctors, etc. without the permission of their shepherd. The authoritarian structure and rigid disciplinary requirements of the Shepherding Movement resulted in profound negative consequences on the lives of its rank-and-file members and their families. An insightful comment made by Charles Paisley is that the "shepherds" usurped the role of the Holy Spirit and personal accountability to God. (36:00 mark) The Shepherding Movement received increasing negative publicity as reports of severe spiritual abuse emerged. Eventually, due to pressure from Pat Robertson (CBN), who was also a false teacher, Prince left the movement in 1984, stating that they had been "guilty of the Galatian error: having begun in the Spirit, we quickly degenerated into the flesh."5 

Prince's "repentance", in my view, is suspect. My contention is that the Shepherding Movement was always rooted in the flesh. It is my observation that false teachers often "repent" when they are backed into a corner and have no other choice. Bob Mumford also publicly repented in 1989.

David Moore's description of the Shepherding Movement is that it "created a propensity toward an abuse of spiritual authority, especially among young immature leaders, or leaders who lacked character and integrity...the emphasis on hierarchically oriented submission to God’s delegated authorities led to many cases of improper control and abusive authority throughout the movement."6

A victim of the Shepherding Movement writes: "I grew up in the Shepherding movement. Just like anyone who has grown up in abuse, perspectives of what is normal, loving and correct are skewed. Healing has come so very slowly. This movement affected four generations of my family, my grandmother, parents, an aunt and uncle, myself, cousins and my children. The wounds are deep and serious. It has felt like we have been so wounded that we needed a spiritual ICU, but there isn't one. My older child are now practising non-Christian beliefs, wanting nothing to do with Christianity. My cousins have battled drug addiction as a means to try to forget. A day does not go by that I do not feel the searing pain left on my soul. The Shepherding movement was not of God in any way, shape or form. If the bible states we will know people by their fruit I would have to say that there certainly a great many bad apples that went on to injure others that might other wise have been good fruit."7 

"The five were deeply influenced by William Branham [Ern Baxter, one of the 5 had known him], and in turn they deeply influenced others such as the Kansas City Prophets (IHOP), Paul Cain, Bickle and Joyner [were under Wimber who was under Paul Cain]; and Peter Wagner. They are sometimes considered a syncretistic bridge between the New Age occult movement and some Charismatic movements (such as those in the Manifested Sons of God â MSG â branches)."8

This is a cautionary tale for those currently influenced by the NAR. This post barely scratches the surface of the Shepherding Movement and Prince's involvement with Branham. The corroborating evidence, thorough research, and insight of Collins and Paisley are of great value to those seeking to understand the insidious tentacles of Branhamism. This series of videos has much to offer those with "ears to hear".

1. The Message of the Hour
2. https://william-branham.org/data/topics/latter_rain/publication/the_culture_of_the_sacred_purge_part_one_the_legacy_of_latter_rain_eschatology.pdf
3. Ern Baxter - BelieveTheSign
4. ABC History: 5-A Quick Synopsis
5. TheShepherdingMovement by Allan Clare.pdf
6. TheShepherdingMovement by Allan Clare.pdf
7. Shepherding/Discipleship Movement Survivor's Blog: Derek Prince: A Biography
8. A LITTLE HISTORY - [ Truth about ] THE SHEPHERDING MOVEMENT

*Sixty Propositions : from an Authentic Version of a Work by Jane Lead - 1697
Full Gospel Business Men's Fellowship International
(186) Leaving the Message - YouTube
William Branham Historical Research
'Cults' sprout globally from Christian group 'The Message'

REVELATION TV: HOWARD CONDER UNASHAMEDLY TOUTING FOR MONEY

Revelation TV : Award Winning Christian TV

Despite the obvious failure of the prophecies spoken over Howard Conder by NAR false prophets, the failure of Conder's Spanish "vision", RTV continues to tout for money. Gordon Pettie informed viewers that RTV needs £300,000 in July and August and there followed a barrage of appeals to give generously.

According to Conder, "The Lord could come back at at any time". This is a reference to the false "imminent" or "any moment" pretribulation rapture. One of the major issues for the pretrib camp is their teaching that all seven seals are the wrath of God. Although there are clearly some very troubling events during the 70th week of Daniel, the wrath of God is not announced until the sixth seal is broken. (Revelation 6:16-17). Pretrib teachers claim that no prophesied events will occur before the rapture takes place. However, the bible informs us that the rapture will follow the apostasy (rebellion) and the revelation of the man of lawlessness (the Antichrist).

Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, we ask you, brothers, not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has already come. Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed. (2 Thessalonians 2:1–3). 

There are various other reasons why the rapture is not imminent and I recommend the video at the end of this post. Pretrib teachers frequently verge on date setting, and the reckless claim of the Lord's imminent return is often a form of cultish financial manipulation. Viewers are more likely to be "generous" due to their belief in the "imminent return of the Lord" and their "soon" departure.

I was made aware of Conder's adulterous marriage by one of my readers quite recently. Conder left his first wife and two children some time after 1975 and went on to marry Leslie in the early 1980s. He has not made the specific details known but the information on his website is interesting: 

"Howard says it is very hard for him to talk about his first marriage and the fallout and split that was caused which was devastating for the two children, Charlotte and Miles.
There was a time in the early '80s when Howard was remarried that he wrote a letter to Annette and said how sorry he was for causing such pain to her and subsequently also to their children. Howard remembers clearly that Annette wrote back and was so gracious and said that 'it wasn't all your fault Howard'. Those words were such a comfort to Howard but sadly his daughter Charlotte whom he cherished as his 'little girl', was lost forever. Charlotte has not been able to be at peach with her parents divorce and sadly is not in contact with Howard as Charlotte's husband wrote a very harsh letter to him which is best not to mention at this point as it's too painful for the family and there is always hope of reconciliation.

Howard said that when the family came back from living in America, he was in the Cornerstone Church worship team in Esher and it was during a time of Praise and Worship that the Lord said to Howard leave immediately and go and see your estranged daughter Charlotte who lived nearby. 

Without hesitation Howard sneaked out of the church service and knocked on her front door, and being a Sunday morning, Charlotte opened her bedroom window from the first floor and looking down at her dad she said 'Oh its you' and then told Howard to go away.."1  

This a further example of Howards "words from the Lord" which are not from the Lord at all, but his own imagination. (Jeremiah 23:16; Ezekiel 13:3-9). False prophets produce false hopes! Frequent claims of receiving "a word from the Lord" or the similar phrase "the Lord led me" often results in bitter disappointment for naive hearers. (1 John 2:1).

For a genuine Christian, particularly someone who aspires to Christian ministry, divorce and remarriage is unacceptable and is a disqualifier. Conder had no business launching himself into "ministry" after his divorce. If a man is not faithful in his own household, then how will he be able to faithfully lead a ministry? (1 Timothy 3:1-7). While he was playing at being a great leader heading up a "Christian ministry" with Leslie, Conder's (real) wife and children were no doubt continuing to suffer the pain of abandonment and divorce. 

Apart from his first marriage, Conder has demonstrated his unsuitability in many other ways in the past. One glaring example is that he has given a platform to a number of false teachers including the infamous Benny Hinn. He currently platforms false teachers Andrew Wommack, Joseph Prince and Jesse Duplantis. Inflicting false teachers onto the body of Christ is one of the most wicked things that anyone can do! No doubt Conder thinks it is worth throwing believers to the wolves on the alter of Revelation TV for the financial benefits! All the hype about Spain has come to absolutely nothing and all the alleged prophecies are in tatters. (Matthew 7:20). Nevertheless, Conder and his associates have the shameless audacity to tout for money in the wake of their disastrous record of failure and unfaithfulness.

The video concluded with Conder giving a glowing report about Christian Revival Church (CRC). I know very little about CRC except that they have styled themselves on the dubious megachurch model and that they are egalitarian. CRC was founded by At and Nyretta Boshoff.2 CRC do have one thing in common with RTV! (1 Timothy 6:10). 

Pastor At Boshoff Tells His Church They Ought To Sell Their Homes & Give The Money - CRC Exposed

I Can't Believe How Arrogant This Pastor Is | At Boshoff Exposed

Is CRC also to be avoided?

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. (Romans 16:17-18 cf. 2 Corinthians 11:13-15).

1. 1975 - The Next Big Event In The Lives Of Howard Conder And His First Wife Annette - HowardConder.com

2. CRC London | Senior Pastors

7 Pretrib Problems and the Prewrath Rapture (Full Movie)

ONE CHURCH LEICESTER SPIRITUAL MANIPULATION AND STRANGE FIRE

Deep (A Message For The House) // One Church Podcast, 7th July 2025 | Podcasts

This podcast was a typical NAR-style motivational speech laced with false teaching.  

David Hind's appeal for people to support to One Church, no matter what, is very dangerous and is typical of false teachers. Hind asks people to give their all, their time, their finances, and their energy, not to God, but to the so-called "vision" of One Church! Hind's failed "imminent revival" prophecy of 2022 is clear evidence that he is a false prophet. 

* David Hind (1st May 2022): "This is a fulfillment season, an outbreak season."1 

Hind: "A prophetic word recently to us said this 'there will be times in the coming move of God when relatively unknown people will get up and preach and the fire of God is going to fall and the power of God will break out miracles and people will say 'who is that person'.. We are called to deep expectation. Jonathan (Conrathe) said recently.. 'One Church will see waves of salvation, waves of conviction, waves of miracles, waves of prodigals..' and we are expectant." The hallmark of many false teachers is hype and expectations rooted in the flesh. The Christian hope or expectation is based on the cross, not in signs and miracles. (Luke 11:29). ..waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.. (Titus 2:13 cf. 2 Peter 3:12-13; Philippians 3:20-21; 1 John 3:2-3).

When believers are persuaded that the "vision" of a church leader is the same as following the will of God for their lives, it is a huge red flag and opens up potential for spiritual abuse. This typically involves pleas for extreme sacrificial giving. Phrases like "He is always worth your best", "We get one life, please play your part", "deep obedience", and "deep expectation" are spiritual manipulation tactics based on guilt. Hard lessons have been learned from the fall of IHOP, Daystar, Hillsong, Shawn (smartphone) Bolz, Benny Hinn, Todd White, Gateway Church (Robert Morris), etc. Many lives are in ruins because of false teachers who demanded that their followers "give their all" to their particular "prophetic" vision.  

The careless way Hind handles the scriptures is a clear indication of where he stands spiritually. Words are cheap; it is easy to say "We love God". However, Jesus says: If you love me, obey my commandments. (John 14:15 cf. John 15:10; Matthew 7:21; Luke 6:46;1 John 2:2-3,1 John 3:22-24; 1 John 5:3; 2 John 1:6).

You shall be careful therefore to do as the LORD your God has commanded you. You shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left. (Deuteronomy 5:32 cf. Deuteronomy 28:14; Joshua 1:7; Proverbs 4:27; 2 Kings 22:2; Isaiah 30:21).

The Israelites' idolatry and carelessness are examples for the church. (1 Corinthians 10:1-6). But they did not obey or incline their ear, but walked in their own counsels and the stubbornness of their evil hearts, and went backward and not forward. (Jeremiah 7:4 cf. Isaiah 65:2; Ezekiel 20:8; Hosea 4:16, etc.). Similarly, many church leaders are careless about how they interpret the scriptures; they do not rightly divide the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15).

Go deeper.. breathe in the Spirit!

If a believer sincerely wants to "go deeper" with God, then they should ask! (Matthew 7:7 cf. Philippians 4:6; Ephesians 6:18). Hind: "Why don't we just pause right now and breathe Him in. Just take a breath, just breathe His presence in right now.."  When teachers add "breathing in God" to prayer and petition, they go beyond what is written and are entering into the dangerous territory of eastern mysticism and occult New Age practices. (1 Corinthians 4:6). This is the New Testament equivalent of offering "strange (unholy, unacceptable, unauthorized) fire" before the Lord and is contrary to His explicit Word. (Leviticus 10:1-2; Numbers 26:61). Believers receive the Holy Spirit by faith when they are converted. (Ephesians 1:13; Romans 10:25). Hind talks about "pressing forward", but these kinds of occult practices take believers away from the Lord. We might echo Jeremiah in saying these things are unbiblical; they take us backward and not forward.  

But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” (John 4:23-34).

Hind: "Our story as a church is a story of grace and miracles.."  The story of TLC/One Church since Hind's arrival in 2007 is a story of double standards and flouting God's word. Many things have happened that are against God's will, ranging from lottery funding, Hind's involvement in ecumenical Churches Together, the ungodly antics of Adam Simmonds, nepotism, 6 (666) Degrees Coffee House, tithing, egalitarianism, platforming NAR false teachers and prophets, and on and on.2 No God fearing church leader would dare to describe himself as an "apostolic leader of leaders". 

..having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. (2 Timothy 3:5 cf. Matthew 7:15; 1 Timothy 4:7; 2 Timothy 2:16,23; Ephesians 4:14).

Unity must be grounded in the truth..

Bible Hub: "Unity in truth, not in deceit, is a biblical mandate that calls believers to align themselves with the truth of God's Word while rejecting falsehood. This unity is characterized by a shared commitment to the Gospel, a rejection of deceitful teachings, and a love that binds the community of faith together. Through this, the church reflects the unity and truth of the Triune God, serving as a witness to the world."3 

Mark and avoid false teachers..

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. (Romans 16:17-18).

1. WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: ONE CHURCH LEICESTER (FORMERLY TRINITY LIFE CHURCH): DAVID AND SUSAN HIND NARCIGESIS
2. WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: Trinity Life Church Leicester
3. Topical Bible: Unity in Truth, Not in Deceit

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MIKE WINGER: THE FOLLY OF SEEKING TO RESTORE FALSE PROPHETS TO MINISTRY

(17) Bethel Insider Asks Accountability For False Prophet: Will Bethel Respond? - YouTube

I watched all three hours of this video. The comprehensive exposure of Shawn (Smartphone) Bolz and the monumental cover-up by Chris Vallotton, Bill Johnson, and other Bethel leaders was informative but unsurprising.

Where I came unstuck with Winger's video was the protracted personal appeals of Elijah Stephens to Bolz and Bethel leaders to take accountability and to reform their ministries. 

See the time stamps below.

1:54:42 Part 7. Taking Accountability 

2:06:55 Part 8. Elijah's Message to Bill Johnson 

2:21:07 THIRTY DAY DEADLINE for Bethel 

2:30:09 Part 9. Elijah's Message to Kris Vallotton 

2:56:26 Part 10. Elijah's Message to Shawn Bolz 

3:00:40 Part 11. Exposing Sexual Predators and Frauds in the Renewal Movement 

3:09:27 Elijah's Final Appeal

Winger: "This video is made to help stir up positive change in the movement."  Doesn't Winger know that Bolz and Bethel are utterly disqualified? I feel that Stephen's perception of these NAR false teachers and his hope that they will change is unrealistic and extremely naive. Even if they do repent, they should never assume the role of teachers or leaders within the body of Christ. 

Why is an appeal for change unbiblical?  

People have been calling out the leadership of Bethel Church for many years, and yet they have continued in their folly. ..while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. (2 Timothy 3:13). Bethel is known for engaging in heretical New Age teaching, false prophecies, alleged angel feathers, gold dust, glory clouds, grave sucking and all kinds of abominations. Similarly, Bolz has been engaged in data mining and false prophecy for years and has done inestimable damage to those he has deceived.

A question for Mike Winger: At what point do we reject false teachers/prophets? 

Winger's weak approach is unacceptable, unbiblical, and shows little regard for the sheep. The scriptures do not recognize false teachers/prophets as true believers and commands authentic Christians to mark and avoid them. 

As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned. (Titus 3:10-11).

If your brother sins against you, go and confront him privately. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. / But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ / If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, regard him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. (Matthew 18:15-17).

Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to keep away from any brother who leads an undisciplined life that is not in keeping with the tradition you received from us. (2 Thessalonians 3:6)

But now I am writing you not to associate with anyone who claims to be a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a verbal abuser, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. (1 Corinthians 5:11).

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. (Romans 16:17-18).

If anyone comes to you but does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home or even greet him. / Whoever greets such a person shares in his evil deeds. (2 John 1:10-11).

..having a form of godliness but denying its power. Turn away from such as these! (2 Timothy 3:5).

Anthony Wade (The Scattered Sheep Podcast) makes some excellent points and challenges the inadequate response of Winger and 'The Minor Prophets': Stop Trying to Salvage Charismania - Examining Videos from Mike Winger & The Minor Prophets

LARRY WESSELS (CANSWERSTV) RABID CALVINISM VS CROOKED TV EVANGELISTS

Why People Don't Want What the Bible Says But Prefer Money Grubbing TV Evangelists Who Lie Instead.

This video appears to consist of excerpts from a 2009 debate between Steve McCalip and Larry Wessels in which Wessels' views are shown exclusively.1 A debate is a discussion in which opposing arguments are put forward. I have never watched a "debate" where we do not get to hear the opposing arguments!

Pitting Calvinism against TV evangelists is something of a misnomer. Many Christians who reject Calvinism, including myself, also reject the ministries of Billy Graham, CS Lewis, and the ecumenical NAR Word-faith TV evangelists. Given the plethora of false teachings circulating within various denominations, it may seem right to run to Calvinism as a place of safety. However, to put one's faith into the teachings of John Calvin is to lunge from one false teaching to another. The "true gospel" minus the distortions of Calvinism can only be found in the scriptures. (2 Timothy 3:16). 

Wessels: "Did Jesus die for everybody who ever lived?" (in contrast to "limited atonement")

..even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many (ἀντὶ πολλῶν).” (Matthew 20:28 cf. Matthew 26:28; John 10:15; 1 Timothy 2:6; 1 John 2:2; 2 Cornithians 5:14-15, Hebrews 2:9).  

Meyer: "ΠΟΛΛῶΝ] The vicarious death of Jesus may be described as having taken place for all (Romans 5:18; 1 Timothy 2:6; 1 John 2:2), or for many (so also Matthew 26:28; Hebrews 9:28), according as we regard it as an objective fact (that fact being: Jesus has given His life a ransom for all men), or look at it in relation to the subjective appropriation of its results on the part of individuals (which happens only in the case of believers). So in the present case, where, accordingly, πολλῶν is to be understood as meaning all who believe now and will believe hereafter. (John 17:20)."2 

Wessels: "Due to their carnal pride, men naturally object to God's power and sovereignty.. especially in the area of salvation.. and (they) try to say that God loves everybody equally and God wants everybody to be saved."

Many Old Testament passages teach that God hates sinners or evil and wicked people. (e.g. Leviticus 20:23; Psalm 11:5; 26:5; Proverbs 6:16-19; 16:5; Hosea 9:10-15 and Malachi 1:2-3.) Nevertheless, God rescued the wicked city of Nineveh when the people repented. (Jonah 3:6-10). The New Testament asserts that God loves the world and that Jesus died for the sins of the world. (e.g. John 3:16; Romans 5:8;1 John 4:16; 1 John 4:10). The denial that repentance and faith are the key factors that take sinners from the status of God's enemies to his beloved children is perverse. There are many examples in the scriptures where repentance and faith are required as a condition of salvation. (Romans 5:10).

   

First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all.. (1 Timothy 2:1-6).

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. (2 Peter 3:9).

Wessels: "It is the sinner, not God, who secures salvation...God offers everyone a chance as if he owed it to everyone or anyone, leaving the sinner the work of saving himself by 'accepting Christ'. From this theory, God does not save anyone in particular, just anyone who will have Him. ..This would then make God a respecter of persons, choosing people to be saved based on their own efforts to attain salvation..  Does God choose people to be saved on their own efforts.. 

The idea that repentance and faith are works is often touted by Calvinists. However, the scriptures are unequivocal: God commands all people everywhere to repent. (Acts 17:30). The New Testament affirms that we are saved by grace through faith.. not by works. (Ephesians 2:8-9). Repentance and faith are two sides of the same coin. Salvation involves deep conviction and revulsion of sin and requires faith in Jesus Christ. Romans 4:5 debunks the false assumption that faith is a work: And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness.

The argument that "God is a respecter of persons" because He accepts repentant sinners is totally perverse and wicked. God gives everyone the opportunity to repent, taking no account of status or anything else. The saying, "God is no man's debtor" is based on Romans 11:35. God is sovereign and self-sufficient. He does not rely on humanity for anything, and he has no obligation to save us. Salvation is based on God's grace and unmerited favour. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. (John 3:16). Because of His love, God has reached out to humanity with the gospel. Nevertheless, He requires a response. For some twisted reason, Calvinists equate human response to the gospel with works. But that view goes against the scriptures. (Acts 3:19,20:21,26:20; 2 Corinthians 7:10; Mark 1:15; Revelation 9:21; Luke 5:32,13:3, 24:47; Matthew 3:2 etc.)

Wessels: "If this theory is true, then John the Baptist must have 'accepted Christ' in the womb."

..for he will be great before the Lord. And he must not drink wine or strong drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb.. And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the baby leaped in her womb. (Luke 1:15,41,44).

The gifts of the Holy Spirit are distributed according to God's will. (Hebrews 2:4). In other words, John did not make a conscious decision to leap in his mother's womb in recognition of Jesus as the Messiah; rather, the Holy Spirit came upon John in a specific way when Mary greeted Elizabeth. The pre-birth filling of John the Baptist is unparalleled, indicating John's pivotal role in preparing the way for Jesus Christ. (Malachi 4:5-6; Isaiah 40:3). The Holy Spirit subsequently filled Elizabeth and Mary, both of whom prophesied. We should understand that the conception, birth, and life of John the Baptist was anything but normative. John's recognition of Jesus came by divine revelation when he was baptizing: Then John testified, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove and resting on Him. I myself did not know Him, but the One who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit descend and rest is He who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ I have seen and testified that this is the Son of God.” John 1:32-34).

Wessel's insistence that God's offer of salvation to all/everyone does not mean all/everyone (contingent upon repentance and faith) is profoundly dishonoring to God and, in my view, is a blasphemous misuse of His name! (Exodus 20:7).

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.” (John 3:16-21).

1. McCalip/Wessels Debate on Calvinism's Limited Atonement Part 1 of 24
2. Matthew 20:28 Commentaries: just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."

SHANE IDLEMAN LEAVING CHARISMANIA!

Pastor’s Shocking Announcement “I’m Leaving the Charismatic Community‼️”

Shane Idleman is the pastor of Westside Christian Fellowship in Leona Valley, CA. The above clip has gone viral on YouTube. The full video can be viewed on: The Day The Fire Fell | Pastor Shane Idleman 

Idleman sums up the sickening state of many charismatic leaders, and he reflects the feelings of many bible believing Christians and our utter disgust and rejection of false NAR "prophets" and "apostles". The scriptures tell us that God desires truth in the inward being, and yet we are witnessing the very antithesis of truth within many so-called "churches". (Psalm 51:6; John 4:24).

Idleman: "I am withdrawing from the charismatic community.. I am tired of all this stuff we see in the news. I am tired of these false prophets. I am tired of all these people saying it's 'revival' and asking people for money. I am tired of everything we are seeing in the media. Its about protecting an image and we need to get back to brokenness and humility.. you see all these fake prophetic words, all this jockeying for position.. They miss it, they are not even close. It's all about a platform and not about brokenness and humility and that's why it's a scam to many people. We see this weird stuff going on. I don't want to fake. I don't want to fabricate anything. I don't want to have a fake healing. I don't want to put gold dust or glitter in the vent fans. I don't want to have a little box up there dropping feathers, 'angel feathers'. People are sick of the phony and they need the authentic.." 

I know very little about Idleman, and I reserve judgement on his ministry at the present time. Regarding eschatology, Idleman is "pan-trib". He has obviously done some research, but he has failed to come to a conclusion on the rapture question due to the bewildering array of views being circulated.1  I find his honesty on this subject refreshing, and I can relate, as I was in a similar position prior to coming to understand the prewrath view.  

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. (2 Peter 1-3).

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. (Romans 16:17-18).  

1. Rapture Anxiety by Shane Idleman

What is Prewrath

REVELATION TV: HOWARD CONDER'S UNACCOUNTABILITY AND RAPTURE CONFUSION

Spain - the elephant in the room    

Over the years, many people who should have known better have indulged Howard Conder in his alleged "vision". Various "prophecies" from wolves Jean Darnell, Jonathan David, Sharon Stone, and Noel Woodroffe have failed spectacularly,* and RTV's Spanish studios are apparently up for sale. Anyone who declares a false prophecy takes the Lord's name in vain. (Exodus 20:7). In the Old Testament, false prophecy carried the death penalty. (Deuteronomy 13:5,18:20). In the New Testament, we are not instructed to execute false teachers/prophets, but rather to mark and avoid them. (Romans 16:17). In other words, God has zero tolerance of false prophets. Those who have sounded the alarm about Conder over the years have been accused of spreading "malicious gossip, false accusations, and outright lies".1  At this point, I can confirm that those who expressed serious concerns about Conder have been vindicated. The obvious question is: Where is Conder's integrity, and why is no one at RTV holding him to account? As a "Christian", Conder should be providing answers to the many people who gave to RTV's Spanish studios in response to their interminable requests for money for his grandiose "vision", complete with "words from the Lord". I wonder, will Conder reimburse those who sacrificially gave to his white elephant if and when the Spanish studios are sold? 

Given his zero credibility, it is extraordinary that Conder and his associates at RTV continue to release videos criticizing the government, offering prophetic insights into current events, and generally dispensing their dubious "wisdom" to all and sundry. It should go without saying that no reputable bible teacher should associate with Conder and RTV. “Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.” (Ephesians 5:11).  

The Rapture Debate - Revelation TV    

Below are some brief comments on the rapture debate held on May 30, 2025, between Derek Walker of Oxford Bible Church (pretrib) and former Lieutenant Colonel John Campbell (posttrib), moderated by Tim Vince. These men are old associates of Conder and have apparently buried their heads in the sand regarding Spain, while continuing to indulge Conder's dubious "ministry".

Like other pretrib teachers, Derek Walker makes the assumption that the 70th week of Daniel is the period of the tribulation. However, in the Olivet discourse, Jesus indicated that the tribulation follows the abomination of desolation event at the midpoint of the 70th week. (Matthew 24:15-21). The tribulation is variously described in the scriptures as: a time, times, and half a time (3.5 years), Daniel 7:25; forty-two months, Revelation 11:12, 13:5; 1,260 days, Revelation 12:5-6 cf. Daniel 12:1; Jeremiah 30:7;half a week Daniel 9:27.2  

Furthermore, the description of the 70th week of Daniel as "the day of the Lord" is problematic. Both Walker and Campbell make this mistake. The day of the Lord begins after the tribulation and is the specific period of God's direct wrath upon the earth. This period begins following the cosmic disturbances and the rapture, between the sixth and seventh seal of Revelation, and involves the trumpet and bowl judgements. (Revelation 8-9,11; Revelation 15-16). Those who do not distinguish between the tribulation and the day of the Lord's wrath do not take account of the difference between orgē (wrath) and thlipsis (tribulation) in the Greek text. 

Immediately after the tribulation (thlipsis) of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Matthew 24:29-31).

When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slaved and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of their wrath (orgē) has come, and who can stand?” (Revelation 6:12-17).

The fallacy of imminence)

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. (John 14:3).

The fallacy of imminence is the common assumption of pretrib teachers. Walker points out that the phrase 'I will come again', literally ἔρχομαι, I am coming again in John 14:3 is in the present tense, and he suggests that this indicates imminence. Walker: "The futuristic of the present tense expresses imminence". The problem with dissecting the Greek text is that we sometimes lose the context. The sentence continues: I will take you (παραληψομαι) to myself in the future tense. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 are obvious future statements:

For the Lord Himself will descend (καταβήσεται) from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise (ἀναστήσονται). (1 Thessalonians 4:16).

Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed (αλλαγησομεθα), in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound (σαλπίσει), and the dead will be raised (ἐγερθήσονται) imperishable, and we shall be changed (ἀλλαγησόμεθα). (1 Corinthians 15:51-52). 

In John 14:3, the phrases if I go (πορευθῶ), and I will prepare (ετοιμασω) are aorist passive deponent subjunctive verbs. In other words, Jesus is speaking in the subjunctive mood, which is abstract. Some teachers get very bogged down in Greek grammar in order to prove a point when the meaning of the text is clear in other passages. Certainly, John 14:3 does not express imminence. 

Who are the 24 elders?

Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and seated on the thrones were twenty-four elders, clothed in white garments, with golden crowns on their heads. (Revelation 4:4).

The argument that the twenty-four elders represent the church is based on a single verse of scripture. However, the "great multitude" (the redeemed) in Revelation 7 contradicts this view.

After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands.. Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?” I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. (Revelation 7:9,13-14). 

Revelation 5:8-11 and different interpretations

And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying,“Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation, and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth.” (Revelation 5:8-11).

The KJV differs from the majority of bible versions: ..And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Alan Kurschner argues for the third person as the correct interpretation of the ransomed, as against the first person in Revelation 5:8-11. Instead of "made us a kingdom" and "we shall reign on the earth", according to Kurschner, the best and oldest manuscripts use the third person "them" and "they".3 If this interpretation is correct, the twenty-four elders are not included in the ransomed people of God.

Kurschner's argument is confirmed by various commentaries:

Pulpit Commentary: "And didst redeem unto God by thy blood out of every kindred, etc. Though the reading 'us' is supported by various manuscripts, and similarly the first person is used in ver. 10. yet, on the whole, it seems better to omit it, the phrase being taken in a partitve sense - 'Thou didst redeem unto God by thy blood some out of every kindred, etc., and hast made them, etc., and they shall reign.'"4

Cambridge Bible: "us] Should be omitted. The elders probably represent the whole multitude of the redeemed, but they are not here said to belong to their number, and the living creatures certainly do not. The true reading is, 'Thou wast slain, and hast purchased to God by Thy Blood out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nations, and hast made them unto our God a kingdom and priests, and they [shall] reign upon the earth.'”4

 
Walker's argument that the twenty-four elders represent the church fails on a number of levels. As demonstrated above, the majority of bible versions differentiate between the twenty-four elders and the church. Additionally, the KJV describes the four living creatures as "redeemed". However, the four living creatures are angelic beings who are not part of the redeemed church.

Satan is a master of deception and specialises in raising false hopes. I believe the pretrib rapture is a very dangerous doctrine that will leave believers bewildered, shaken, and unprepared when the tribulation occurs and they face the Antichrist. This is the very outcome that pretrib believers have been promised deliverance from, and their faith is likely to be shaken, perhaps irreparably. (Matthew 24:10).

John Campbell presents a very emotional view of the posttrib rapture view. He speaks about "receiving a revelation" and being "overwhelmed by the Spirit", among other things. I do not necessarily dismiss Campbell's spiritual experience, but relying on personal experience is a very unreliable way of determining truth. (1 John 4:1). I also question Campbell's view that there will be the "largest harvest ever" during the seven years he erroneously describes as the "tribulation". I do not see this in the scriptures. Rather, it appears that the masses will be sent a great delusion by God and will follow the beast. (2 Thessalonians 2:8-11; Revelation 13:3-4,7). A significant reason that many will follow the Antichrist is that no one will be able to buy or sell without taking the mark of the beast. (Revelation 13:7). The statement that believers will be supernaturally protected during the tribulation is, in my view, also false. The scriptures speak of persecution, apostasy, and spiritual deception:“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name’s sake. And then many will fall away and betray one another, and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. (Matthew 24:9-11). My understanding is that the tribulation i.e., the final 3.5 years of the 70th week of Daniel, will be an exceptionally difficult and testing time, and believers will need to endure this period. (Matthew 24:13; Revelation 14:12). 

It is beyond the scope of this post to go into the weaknesses of the posttrib rapture view. I recommend Alan Kurshner's compelling arguments on this subject: Articles for Posttribulationism to Consider | ESCHATOS MINISTRIES

The warning in the book of Revelation is taken very lightly by both Walker and Campbell, who apparently think it is acceptable to speculate. (Revelation 22:18-19). Those with questions about the timing of the rapture should give serious consideration to the prewrath writings of the early church fathers.5 The problems associated with other views simply disappear when one understands the prewrath position.

1. About - HowardConder.com

2. WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: THE SEVEN YEAR TRIBULATION FALLACY
3.Twenty Four Elders Archives | ESCHATOS MINISTRIES (alankurschner.com)
4. Revelation 5:9 Commentaries: And they sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. (biblehub.com)

5. https://www.alankurschner.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Prewrath-Early-Church-Fathers-Kurschner.pdf

* WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: REVELATION TV: SPAIN ~ HOWARD CONDER'S WHITE ELEPHANT

ONE CHURCH LEICESTER BREAKTHROUGH: JONATHAN CONRATHE

One Church Together | 18th May 2025, 11.30am

Breakthrough is an overused NAR buzzword exploited in hyper-charismatic circles. The believer who is having a problem with sin, relationships, finance, health, poor spiritual experience, etc., is a prime candidate for "breakthrough".  Whatever the problem, according to the NAR crowd, God has decided that it is a year or season of "breakthrough." There is not much attention given to difficult circumstances that God allows with the aim of bringing individual believers to maturity. (Hebrews 12:7; 2 Timothy 4:5). Things like endurance, perseverance, hardship, and God's discipline are definitely not on trend in the delusory world of the NAR. Breakthrough is also applied ad nauseam to what is anticipated as a massive end-time revival, aka "the billion soul harvest", originally prophesied by false prophet Bob Jones in 1975.1 Even though Jones was removed from ministry and his prophecy has been proven false, the fallacy of end-time revival continues to evolve amongst NAR false teachers. Significantly, neither Jesus nor Paul anticipated a worldwide revival. (Matthew 7:14, 24:10-14; Luke 18:8; 1 Timothy 4:1-2; 2 Timothy 3:1,13,3:2-5).

Jonathan Conrathe (Mission 24) hosts his own series of 'TBN Presents' on the apostate TV network TBNUK.2  Conrathe tells a lot of tall stories about his ministry abroad and talks about massive campaigns and thousands being saved, amazing miracles, etc. He even claims that in some instances, everyone was healed. We have no way of verifying these claims. (1 John 4:1). The NAR obsession with miraculous signs and wonders at the expense of sound biblical teaching has disastrous consequences for individual believers and congregations. Numerous sources indicate that many claims associated with this movement are exaggerated or fabricated. Haven't we heard exactly the same kinds of tall stories from Benny Hinn, Todd White, Emma Stark, Kathryn Krick, and many other exposed false prophets? These charlatans never fail to play the "God told me" card and the "God gave me a vision" card. (Matthew 7:22-23). Conrathe is simply regurgitating the false revival narrative that David Hind has repeated in his echo chamber of delusion for years. Hind, who claims to be an "apostolic leader of leaders", prophesied imminent revival in 2022, but we are still waiting! Conrathe: "This is Leicester's time, this is One Church's time. God is going to do an amazing thing amongst you and through you.. This is a crossover time in the Spirit for the One Church.. blah blah" 

After praising false "Apostle" Reinhard Bonnke3 and speaking in tongues without an interpretation, Conrathe launched into a lengthy endorsement of false NAR leader Carlos Annacondia, the figurehead of charismatic "revival" in Argentina. In reality, Annacondia has been spreading false teaching for years.

Apologetics Coordination Team: "This paper is an update of events happening in Singapore and Asia as we also noted the many problems brought about by those seeking to promote 'heresies' and misguided truths into unsuspecting Asia. Many known 'charismatic' speakers such as Ed Silvoso, Carlos Annacondia, Peter Wagner, Sergio Scataglini and others have been invited by these 'churches' to influence even the main stream churches with many unbiblical teachings and new-age teachings concerning healings, 'miracle gold teeth filling', 'imparted 100% Holiness', 'Territorial spirits', 'Prayer Walking', demons in headaches that need casting out, and many more such unsound teachings. They have even used the Bible Study Small Groups and have renamed them 'cell groups' to further their materials which they print and sell to unsuspecting local churches and bookshops. They sell, 'anointing oil claiming magical powers', promote 'slain in the spirit' which is unbiblical and cultish, and practice 'false teachings and taking the Bible verses out-of-context'. Even local pastors have fallen for the con and some have now picked up 'slaying' as their normal service instead of sound preaching of God's Word. They have followed the paths of false prophets and false teachers..
Faith Community Baptist Church (FCBC) who is the main church distributing cell church materials to the world has a web site which has claimed gold teeth miracles, visions, dreams, etc. in their organization. FCBC may be linked to Lighthouse and involved with Third Wave luminaries like C. Peter Wagner, Jack Deere, Paul Yonggi Cho, Ed Silvoso, and Carlos Annacondia. Annacondia recently visited Singapore and is supported by many charismatic churches including Third Wave churches which have been influenced and penetrated by these groups. When Rodney Howard-Browne and Robert Schuller visited Singapore many pastors, including those from FCBC went to their meetings..
The leaders who visit Singapore often leave to visit other Asian countries, boasting of visiting churches in Singapore and sharing many ridiculous claims of healings, miracles, etc. There is a great struggle in Singapore. Pray for us and for people who love the LORD that they will expose these fakes and bring them to answer for 'deceiving the people'. We see this as the only viable step to counter the inflooding of materials that promote devilish teachings."4 

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. (Romans 16:17-18).

1. Rick Joyner reveals Bob Jones’ Billion Soul Prophecy is false.
2. TBN UK :: Series
3. The legacy of Reinhard Bonnke.
4. Report From Singapore

BLASPHEMER JIMMY EVANS: "JESUS WAS WRONG"

Jimmy Evans continues to lead naive believers astray as his dangerous fixation on radical "submission" to apostate leaders remains unchecked despite the negative publicity he received last year following the Daystar train wreck. Evans should have repented and stepped down following his disgraceful behavior including threats against Jonathan and Suzi Lamb when he claimed that Joni Lamb was "the voice of God at Daystar."1 Evans' latest blasphemy is that he calls into question the very character of Jesus Christ! According to Evans, Jesus was wrong as a twelve-year-old boy when he remained behind in Jerusalem after the feast and did not accompany Mary and Joseph on their journey home. Evans: "You won't get everything God has unless you are submitted to authority. I will give you the example, Jesus, He was wrong, the Son of God.. he was very sincere, but he was wrong."  

And the Child grew and became strong. He was filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was upon Him.
Every year His parents went to Jerusalem for the Feast of the Passover. And when He was twelve years old, they went up according to the custom of the Feast.
When those days were over and they were returning home, the boy Jesus remained behind in Jerusalem, but His parents were unaware He had stayed. Assuming He was in their company, they traveled on for a day before they began to look for Him among their relatives and friends.
When they could not find Him, they returned to Jerusalem to search for Him. Finally, after three days they found Him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. And all who heard Him were astounded at His understanding and His answers.
When His parents saw Him, they were astonished. “Child, why have You done this to us?” His mother asked. “Your father and I have been anxiously searching for You.”
“Why were you looking for Me?” He asked. “Did you not know that I had to be in My Father’s house?” But they did not understand the statement He was making to them.
Then He went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. But His mother treasured up all these things in her heart.
And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man. (Luke 2:40-52).

Evans didn't even manage to get the basic details of the narrative correct. 

Evans: "After several days, they notice he is not there." It was after only one day that Mary and Joseph noticed Jesus was not amongst their company.  

Evans: "There was not a day when Jesus was not subject to Mary and God the Father..." The passage says that He was obedient to them i.e. Mary and Joseph. 

A more accurate translation is "I had to be in my Father's house. (ἐν τοῖς τοῦ πατρός μον). These are the first recorded words of Jesus. Note: "I had to be (δεῖ) in my Father's house"  (δεῖ - it is necessary). This verse indicates that Jesus' primary objective was to do His Father's will, perhaps despite anticipated objections from Mary and Joseph?

At twelve years old, Jesus was on the cusp of the Jewish bar mitzvah. Bar mitzvah is Hebrew for "son of commandment”. Within Judaism, a new status is conferred upon boys reaching the age of 13. This milestone marks a significant transition from boyhood to the rights and obligations of a Jewish adult, including the commandments of the Torah.2 This milestone was particularly significant for Jesus at the time of this incident.  

And he went down with them and came to Nazareth and was submissive to them. Jesus' obedience to His earthly parents until the appropriate time highlights His fulfillment of the Law, specifically the commandment to honor one's father and mother (Exodus 20:12). However, He put no special significance upon his earthly family during His ministry. (Luke 8:19-21).

According to Evans, God gave Mary special authority over Jesus' ministry. 

Evans: "God the Father co-parented Jesus with Mary. He disclosed something to Mary He didn't to Jesus.. At the wedding of Cana in Galilee, Jesus was thirty years old. He wasn't ready to go into the ministry. Mary told Him to make wine.. Jesus said 'woman what do I have to do with you.. get off my back, I'm a carpenter..' and Mary said, 'No honey, your ministry starts here today.'"

This reckless teaching exalts Mary beyond her actual role, with the obvious danger of leading people into Mariolatry. With such abysmal teaching being propagated by Evans and other false teachers, it is hardly surprising that many within the church are confused!

On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. Jesus also was invited to the wedding with his disciples. When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.” (John 2:1-5).

My hour has not yet come. The "hour" usually refers to the appointed time for Jesus' crucifixion and glorification, a theme that recurs throughout the Gospel of John (John 7:30,8:20,12:23). However, in this instance, and given the context, "my hour" appears to refer to Jesus' hour for being openly manifested as the Messiah. (cf. John 7:8). ὥρα (hour) refers to a definite space of time, a season, (b) an hour, (c) the particular time for anything.     

Gaebelein: "The words of rebuke to Mary clearly show that she erred and was as fallible as any other woman. The Lord rebuked her because He did not want her to interfere with Him and His work. 'She erred here, perhaps from an affectionate desire to bring honor to her Son, as she erred on other occasions. The words before us were meant to remind her that she must henceforth leave our Lord to choose His own times and modes of acting. The season of subjection to her and Joseph was over. The season of His public ministry had at length begun. In carrying on that ministry, she must not presume to suggest to Him. The utter contrariety of this verse to the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church about the Virgin Mary is too palpable to be explained away. She was not without error and sin, as Romish writers have dared to assert, and was not meant to be prayed to and adored. If our Lord would not allow His mother even to suggest to Him the working of a miracle, we may well suppose that all Roman Catholic prayers to the Virgin Mary, and especially prayers entreating her to ‘command her Son,’ are most offensive and blasphemous in His eyes.."3

Evans' previous track record and his attempt to sanctify the adulterous marriage of Joni Lamb, as well as his false teaching on remarriage, indicate that we are dealing with a wolf of the first order. Evans has influenced many naive believers to accept his blasphemous version of remarriage. 

Apart from the above disasters, Evans has awarded himself the grandiose but unbiblical title of "Apostolic Elder".4  Evans also peddles the false pretrib rapture and claims to be a "prophecy expert". He and fellow pretrib "prophecy expert" Mark Hitchcock have a close association and have authored a number of books together.5

Mark and avoid Jimmy Evans!

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. (Romans 16:17-18).

1. The Roys Report: Full Audio of Daystar Meeting
2. Bar Mitzvah: What It Is and How to Celebrate - A Jewish Boy's Coming of Age - Chabad.org
3. John 2 Gaebelein's Annotated Bible
4. Pastor Jimmy Evans Biography: Age, Net Worth, Family, Career and Achievements - PASTORS BIO
5. The Antichrist, Four Horsemen & Israel's Role in Tribulation | Jimmy Evans & Dr. Mark Hitchcock

7 Pretrib Problems and the Prewrath Rapture (Full Movie)