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Saturday, 17 September 2016

jacob prasch moriel ministries: more intra-seal lies!

Jacob Prasch continues to peddle his ill conceived intra-seal "doctrine" with gusto and has recently manufactured some further blatantly untruthful statements:

Jacob Prasch "Who is The Restrainer" Sept 10, 2016

Prasch: "The term katechó (restrainer) is never applied or used in any context with Michael. neither in the Septuagint, the book of Daniel, nor the book of Revelation, he is never called the restrainer, never."

Actually katechó does fit the book of Daniel and Revelation in context with the archangel Michael. It is worth noting that Michael contends (Hebrew mit·chaz·zek root word chazaq) against the Prince of Persia (Daniel 10:21 cf. Jude 1:9). The short definition of the Hebrew word chazaq is strong.{1}  According to Strongs Hebrew and Greek Dictionary, chazaq has a number of words in English to describe its meaning, including restrain.{2} This is a very important point because this is yet another example where we have to question the integrity of Prasch's exegesis. Prasch tells us that he is a Hebrew expert; as such he would know the meaning of chazaq exactly!

Restrain: prevent (someone or something) from doing something; keep under control or within limits.{3} 

Yet there is no one who stands firmly with me against these forces except Michael your prince. (Daniel 10:21) Michael stands guard (ä·mad'). The Septuagint has "holds with me".{4} This phrase "holds with me" fits perfectly with restrain since katechó means:  I hold fast, bind, arrest, (b) I take possession of, lay hold of, (c) I hold back, detain, restrain, (d) I hold a ship, keep its head.{5}

The Hebrew ä·mad' has a number of different meanings: to stand, remain, endure, take one's stand.

Without going into any further detailed explanations, there is indisputable evidence that Michael does in fact directly restrain Satan in the book of Daniel, in the book of Revelation (future -when he ceases to restrain), and indeed in the Septuagint! We should be asking ourselves the question: Why does Prasch make such a dishonest statement when the exact reverse of what he says can easily be demonstrated? 

Prasch: "Far from preventing Satan from coming to earth and indwelling the person of Antichrist, Michael kicks Satan out at a celestial battle in heaven. Instead of preventing him from coming, he causes him to come. There is a logical and textual inconsistency in what they (the pre-wrath teachers) are saying...."

Prasch is referring to Revelation 12:

Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God. And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death. Therefore, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!” (Revelation 12:7-12) 

Obviously there will come a future point when he who restrains will cease to restrain. This is precisely what Revelation 12:7-12 refers to as I am sure Prasch knows very well! Paul referred to the same event when he wrote: he who restrains will come out of the midst (γένηται μέσου 2 Thessalonians 2:7). When this happens, the lawless one will be revealed because he who restrains no longer directly contends/makes war/restrains him. I cannot accuse Prasch of being stupid, so I suggest that this is a deliberate attempt to mislead his hearers! Prasch fails to elaborate on the timing of this event.. in fact the mid point of the 70th week of Daniel. After Satan is expelled from heaven and thrown down to the earth, the time is short - there are only 3.5 years (cut short) for Satan to wreak havoc on the earth through the two beasts, the Antichrist and the False Prophet. Jesus indicated that following the abomination that causes desolation at the mid point of the week: there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be (Matthew 24:21). Daniel indicated that just prior to this same period of distress that Michael shall ä·mad' (Daniel 12:1). There is no logical or textual inconsistency here at all!  Prasch's statement is a blatant inversion of the text and is an outright lie.  

Prasch: "They don't understand the Spirit indwelling and the Spirit outpoured: {6}

The Bible says the precise opposite to Prasch:

In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people; your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. (Acts 2:17 cf. Joel 2:28)

And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. (Matthew 24:14)

An upsurge of evil takes place in the last days 2 Timothy 3:1-5; 2 Peter 3:3; Jude 1:17-18.

The term “the last days” - refers to the period between the coming of Messiah in the year 29 CE when he began to speak to the Jews, to the time of the end i.e. the return (parousia) of Jesus Christ (Revelation 16:17). The Bible tells us very clearly that the Spirit is outpoured during "the last days" until the end of the age.

The fact that Prasch has made a nonessential into an essential doctrine should be a huge red flag. He continues to peddle his ill conceived doctrine despite all the scriptural evidence to the contrary, and then he has the impudence to tell everyone where the pre-wrath teachers have "got it right" and where they have "got it wrong". He doesn't speak in terms of "I think", "I believe" or "in my view".. Prasch "knows".. and he.."is sure" that the pre-wrath teachers are incorrect about the identity of the Restrainer in 2 Thessalonians 2:5-7. This knowall trait of Prasch is blatantly unbiblical (2 Timothy 3:2). Prasch puts himself above some heavy weight Christian scholars in a case where there is no objective proof. There are instances where we can know certain things authoritatively from the scriptures, but the identity of the Restrainer is not one of those instances! A frequent argument of Prasch is that he knows because he "understands" these things better than others due to the illumination of the Holy Spirit. However, somewhat worryingly, Prasch appears to be the only person on the planet who does understand!

According to Prasch, the pre-wrath teachers are generally "cessationist", whereas he is a continuationist. We should be very careful about labelling and dismissing the views other Christians based on subjective biases. Christians who are "cessationist" do actually believe in the illumination of the Holy Spirit where the scriptures are concerned. I am a continuationist myself, but I have to admit that many who boast that they have the illumination of the Holy Spirit are demonstrably not to be trusted (1 John 4:1). Furthermore, where the fruit of the Spirit is not evident in a person's life i.e. love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, (Galatians 5:22) then those who claim superior revelation cannot logically claim the illumination of the Holy Spirit (cf. 1 Corinthians 13:1-13).

CF Hogg and WE Vine  

Despite being pretribulationists, CF Hogg and WE Vine (co-writers of Vine's Expository Commentary) rejected the standard pre-trib view that the Holy Spirit is the Restrainer. Their exegesis of the Epistles to the Thessalonians is exceptional, and I dare say, had they been around today, they would have changed their position to pre-wrath.

Hogg and Vine affirm that the allusions to the Restrainer are: "necessarily obsure..... it makes dogmatism on the interpretation of the passage futile and foolish. The difficulties are further enhanced by the fact, that alike in form and in matter, the passage is without parallel in the other writings of this Apostle. His own words 'we know in part and we prophesy in part,' 1 Cor. 13.9, convey a salutary warning here. They go on: "Many attempts have been made to identify this restraining power, but the conditions are such that these are little more than speculative....."  

"The restrainer is the Holy Spirit; that which restrains is the church ; the time of the taking away is the rapture..... This interpretation is without support in other parts of the N.T. Matt. 5.13 has been appealed to, "ye are the salt of the earth," but the idea expresssed in the remainer of the saying is, not that the salt shall be removed, but that it may lose its distinctive character and thus cease to hinder corruption. Neither is it elsewhere stated or implied that the Holy Spirit will leave the earth at the rapture of the saints, for after that event there will be those upon the earth who will witness for God.... in the energy of the Holy Spirit, see Joel 2:28, 29. Yet this interpretation demands not merely that the Holy Spirit change the mode of His operations but that He leave the world entirely. Moreover had the Holy Spirit and the church been in the writer's mind there does not appear to be any reason why he should not have said so plainly..... The suggestion seems to be of quite modern origin, there is apparently, no trace of it in early writings on the subject." {7} 

Hogg and Vine's words "futile and foolish" and "speculative" well describe Prasch's "doctrine", especially since it is now undeniable that his honesty bends to fit his theology.

The Elephant In The Room - Ecumenism

Prasch still has nothing to say about the very worrying question of ecumenist David Noakes whom he recognises as a prophetic voice and to whom he gives a platform. Noakes' "Thus saith the Lord prophecies" throw up some very serious concerns. I will repeat my previous question: Would a true prophet of God be ecumenical? Prasch's close association with the ecumenical "prophet" David Noakes and his accomplice, false prophet, Clifford Hill (Moggerhanger Park) is very revealing.

Prasch seems to have completely missed the major significance of the 2016 Mekudeshet Festival in Jerusalem which saw a major progression of the Counter-Reformation and the one world religion. This event saw "Christians", Jews and Muslims uniting for a “spiritual gathering” dubbed Amen—A House of Prayer For All Believers.{8}  

From Conflict to Communion.. This is Phase V of the Satanically inspired agreement between The  Lutheran World Federation (LWF) and the Roman Catholic Church. "From Conflict to Communion: Lutheran-Catholic Common Commemoration of the Reformation in 2017 -  Published by the Lutheran-Roman Catholic Commission on Unity in the context of the 2017 commemoration of the 500th anniversary of the Reformation, and the 50th anniversary of dialogue between Lutherans and Catholics."{9} 

These things are taking place under our noses, and yet Prasch and many of his friends do not seem to be cognizant of the breakneck speed of ecumenical developments before us all. Does it make any sense that Prasch is peddling intra-seal at such a time as this? Much less, should his friends at The Columbus Prophecy Conference and Believers in Grace Ministries support him and give him a platform to teach such an easily refuted "doctrine"?  We seem to have the same old problem of irresponsible neglect repeating itself with the Praschites, i.e. the practice of refusing to challenge the unscriptural teachings of powerful individuals for the sake of unity so-called. A timely warning from Prasch's friends before things progressed this far might have done some good (Proverbs 27:6).

Do not admit a charge against an elder except on the evidence of two or three witnesses. As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of the elect angels I charge you to keep these rules without prejudging, doing nothing from partiality. (1 Timothy 5:19-21)

Although I personally believe that there is strong evidence to show that Michael is the Restrainer of 2 Thessalonians 2:7-9, this post is not about proving that argument. My problem concerns the integrity of Prasch himself as a bible teacher. I have gradually come to the realisation that Prasch is a much more dangerous proposition than I had originally supposed. What do I mean by this? I no longer believe that he is a genuine bible teacher and I now find it perfectly feasible that he could very well be batting for the other side and using diversionary tactics (intra-seal) in order to muddy the waters and confuse genuine believers (Ezekiel 34:18). Prasch's casuistry and equivocation, are, dare I say it, almost Jesuitical. I have come to the point where I would not take anything he says at face value.

My full refutation against intra-seal is constantly developing and can be found at: http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2016/04/jacob-prasch-rapture-holy-spirit-and.html

{1} http://biblehub.com/hebrew/2388.htm
{2} http://whatischazaq.blogspot.co.uk/2006/10/what-is-chazaq-its-old-hebrew-word.html  
{3} https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/restrain
{4} http://www.ecmarsh.com/lxx/Daniel/index.htm 
{5} http://biblehub.com/greek/2722.htm
{7} Hogg CF and Vine WE, 1914: The Epistles of Paul the Apostle to the Thessalonians, pp.254-259 
{8} http://www.cogwriter.com/news/prophecy/is-2016-mekudeshet-festival-leading-to-a-one-world-religion-antipope-francis/  
{9} https://www.lutheranworld.org/lund2016 

Some further concerns about Prasch:

Monday, 12 September 2016

adam simmonds: former northamptonshire pcc and director of trinity life church in leicester charged by crown prosecution service

Whoever walks in integrity walks securely, but he who makes his ways crooked will be found out. (Proverbs 10:9) 

Former Northamptonshire Police and Crime Commissioner, Adam Simmonds, has been charged by the Crown Prosecution Service with breaching the Data Protection Act.

"The Crown Prosecution Service announced the decision in a statement released on Friday afternoon.
A spokesperson said: 'After a thorough review of the evidence we have decided to charge Adam Simmonds with one offence of breaching the Data Protection Act 1998.
'The case met the test set out in the Code for Crown Prosecutors that there is a realistic prospect of a conviction and it is in the public interest.
'Mr Simmonds’ lawyers have been informed,' the statement added.
 No date has yet to be set for a court appearance."{1}

Adam Simmonds (Conservative) was elected in 2012 and was Northamptonshire's first Police and Crime Commissioner. The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) investigated claims that Simmonds breached the Data Protection Act by disclosing "sensitive" information relating to a criminal investigation to third parties in 2013 and committed an offence of misconduct in public office.{2} The IPCC has passed the findings of its inquiry to The Crown Prosecution Service. Simmonds did not stand for re-election in May of this year, though he denied the IPCC inquiry was the reason.

During his incumbency as PCC, Simmonds attracted many allegations/complaints relating to undemocratic actions. Amongst them were cronyism, abuse of power, lack of transparency, misconduct in public office, autocracy, massive overspending,{3} and not least, the very dubious role he played in the purchase of Wootton Hall.{4}

An unprecedented number of petitions were launched against Simmonds during his incumbency:

Do not accept the application for 'Wootton Park School' Northampton: https://www.change.org/p/department-for-education-do-not-accept-the-application-for-wootton-park-school-northampton

Investigation in to the appointment of Assistant Police & Crime Commissioners in Northamptonshire https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/47413

A vote of no confidence in Adam Simmonds, a man who puts his ego and media profile ahead of the people of Northamptonshire: https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-sack-adam-simmonds-police-and-crime-commissioner-for-northamptonshire 

Vote of no confidence in Adam Simmonds PCC for Northamptonshire: https://www.change.org/p/police-crime-panel-northamptonshire-vote-of-no-confidence-in-adam-simmonds-pcc-for-northamptonshire 

Campaign group launches petition protest against plans to privatise Northamptonshire Police control centre: http://www.northantstelegraph.co.uk/news/campaign-group-launches-petition-protest-against-plans-to-privatise-northamptonshire-police-control-centre-1-7062015 

Hands Off Northamptonshire Police 999 Service! https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/hands-off-northamptonshire-police-999-service

My own particular bone of contention with Simmonds began when he removed two of my posts concerning Trinity Life Church (TLC) in 2014. {5} I still believe that he took this action illegally, though my attemps to ascertain the true facts of the matter were unsuccessful!

Simmonds, who claims to be a "Christian", is a former Director and Trustee of TLC in Leicester which is a Pentecostal Assemblies of God church. They profess biblical Christian values, though you would not notice! It is unclear whether Simmonds still attends TLC, but I believe his influence upon that congregation has been very damaging indeed. Having said that, had the leadership of TLC been true to the faith they profess, they would not have allowed Simmonds' worldly values to gain a foothold. What part Simmonds played in TLC's lottery funding for their Open Hands charity in November 2013 is unknown. Simmonds was a Director of Open Hands Trust from 2008-2012.{6}  I believe that TLC failed a very important test of faith when they allied themselves with Simmonds and all the temptations that association brought with it!

"The Open Hands Trust has been granted £446,626 after receiving support from Voluntary Action Leicestershire (VAL) with their bid for Big Lottery Reaching Communities funding." Release date 12th of November 2013. {7} 

Ecumenist, Adam Simmonds has done much to bring true biblical Christianity into disrepute. We will possibly never know the full extent of the spiritual damage he has wreaked (1 Corinthians 4:5; Ecclesiastes 12:14). We should be very thankful that the controversial Northamptonshire Police Office of Faith Based and Community Initiatives (OFBCI) set up by Simmonds in January 2014 was very quickly wound down by Stephen Mold, Simmonds successor.{8}

Many in Northamptonshire regard Adam Simmonds as an experience they would rather forget, though his legacy continues. It will be good to see a little bit of justice, if indeed Simmonds is found guilty of the charge! A spokesman for the Crown Prosecution Service confirmed that Simmonds' first court hearing will be at Westminster Magistrates Court in London on Tuesday, October 18.{9}

..... and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. (2 Peter 2:2)

UPDATE 18th October 2016

Callum Jones of the Daventry Express reported that Former Northamptonshire Police and Crime Commissioner Adam Simmonds has appeared in court today accused of disclosing personal data about Wellingborough MP Peter Bone: 

"Simmonds, aged 39, of Northcote Road, Leicester, appeared at Westminster Magistrates' Court today (Tuesday) after he was charged with breaching the Data Protection Act.
The court heard Simmonds is alleged to have "knowingly or recklessly" disclosed personal data relating to Mr Bone between November 7, 2013 and May 1, 2014.
Mark Harries, defending for Simmonds, indicated that his client would plead not guilty to the charge and the case was sent to Southwark Crown Court.
The case will be heard at the Crown Court on November 15. Simmonds, who spoke only to confirm his name, date of birth and address, was given unconditional bail."{10}

{1} http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-37322595
{2} http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-36114429
{3} http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-36279046
{4} http://www.rtaylor.co.uk/ipcc-police-crime-commissioner-complaints.html
{5} http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/adam-simmonds-director-trinity-life.html
{6} http://www.endole.co.uk/profile/9419628/adam-brian-keats-simmonds
{7} http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/trinity-life-church-leicester-going.html
{8} http://www.northantstelegraph.co.uk/news/controversial-faith-based-police-office-to-be-wound-down-1-7423881
{9} http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/former-northamptonshire-police-commissioner-to-face-magistrates-in-london-over-alleged-data-breach-1-7575820
{10} http://www.daventryexpress.co.uk/news/former-northants-police-and-crime-commissioner-accused-of-disclosing-mp-s-personal-data-1-7634735 

Further Links:

Friday, 9 September 2016

jacob prasch moriel ministries.. the intra-seal deception: the seven spirits of god (revelation 4:5):

I have previously written about the intra-seal rapture theory in some depth due to the peculiar claim of Jacob Prasch that the Restrainer of 2 Thessalonians 2:7 is the Holy Spirit. Prasch circulates the intra-seal theory unequivocally as a "doctrine" and he teaches that the Holy Spirit will be taken out of the world during a fictitious "seven year tribulation". The "tribulation" (properly the great tribulation) does not begin until the abomination of desolation is set up in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel (Daniel 12:11). In fact the great tribulation is a period of unknown precise length since it is 1290 days (3.5 years) cut short (Matthew 24:22). I have debunked Prasch's false "seven year tribulation" teaching in a previous post.{1}

Prasch: "Pentecost is reversed... the same as Jesus went and sent the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit goes and sends Jesus. In that interim period you have a powerless church that cannot fulfil its mission any more... The Holy Spirit will not be taken from the hearts of true believers but He will be taken from the world (Gen 6:3; 2 Th 2:6). God will, as it were, return to an Old Covenant dealing with man. His judgements upon Egypt will be recapitulated on the whole planet (Revelation 16)." {2}  

I now have gained some further insight concerning the seven spirits of God in the book of Revelation which I think is relevant to the case against Prasch's false teaching about the Restrainer.

The seven spirits of God are mentioned four times in the New Testament:

John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, (Revelation 1:4)

And to the angel of the church in Sardis write: ‘The words of him who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. “‘I know your works. You have the reputation of being alive, but you are dead.
 (Revelation 3:1)

From the throne came flashes of lightning, and rumblings and peals of thunder, and before the throne were burning seven torches of fire, which are the seven spirits of God, (Revelation 4:5)

And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. (Revelation 5:6)

It is generally agreed (also by Prasch) that the seven spirits of God are seven manifestations of the Holy Spirit as found in the book of Isaiah:

And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD. (Isaiah 11:2).

Jesus Christ's letters to the seven churches in Revelation 2-3 were addressed to the first century churches situated in Asia Minor (Revelation 1:4). The book of Revelation tells us that the seven spirits of God occupy a position at the very closest proximity to the throne of God, before the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures. It was necessary for Jesus Christ to go away so that He could send the Holy Spirit (John 16:7-8), but it is clear from the above verses that the same is not true in reverse. Significantly, the Holy Spirit is present in the throne room of God and in the world at the same time. In other words, when the Holy Spirit was "sent", He did not "leave" the throne room of God. (Revelation 5:6). The operation of sending the Holy Spirit at Pentecost did not necessitate Him vacating heaven, as was the case with the incarnation of Jesus Christ. (John 6:38). The argument that the Holy Spirit must "leave the world" in order to facilitate Jesus’ return is therefore invalid. Where the scriptures themselves do not provide clarity, as in this particular case, it is extremely foolish to attempt to fathom the unfathomable with vain speculations based on human reasoning and then call it a "doctrine" (Romans 11:33). In fact, the Holy Spirit is omnipresent (Psalm 139:7).

Revelation 5 is a critical passage which confirms many things in the scriptures. It tells us that Jesus Christ, the Lamb, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the  Root of David alone is worthy to open the scroll. The gospel message is reitterated (v9) and the seven spirits have been sent out into all the earth.. (Revelation 5:1-9). This then is the stated situation as it stands when the first seal is opened. Nothing is said to precede the opening of the first seal which signifies the start of the 70th week of Daniel. Far from being recalled during the 70th week, Revelation 5:6 affirms just the reverse to be the case i.e. prior to the opening of the first seal, the Holy Spirit i.e. seven spirits of God, have been sent out into all the earth. We would have to add to the Book of Revelation if we were to presume a reversal of Pentecost (Revelation 22:18). I do not find anywhere that the Holy Spirit is recalled, partially recalled, or that His mission will alter, or will be limited to believers only as intra-seal asserts. Prasch's argument/theory simply does not hold water! 
Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. (John 16:7-11)  

The verb to send (ἀποστέλλω) is closely associated with the sender, Jesus Christ, to those He personally commissions as his witnesses e.g. John the Baptist (Mark 11:2) and the twelve apostles (Matthew 10:5). 

To "convict the world" is to (a) reprove, rebuke, discipline, (b) I expose, show to be guilty.{3} The conviction of the world is by witness concerning Jesus Christ (John 15:26).  The Holy Spirit was given to believers in order to empower them to be Jesus' witnesses: But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth. (Acts 1:8). The scriptures confirm that the ability to bear witness during the great tribulation is not removed (Luke 21:13). The consequence of conviction may result in one of two outcomes in various subjects, either conversion (1 Corinthians 14:24), or hardening and condemnation (Acts 24:25; Romans 11:7 ff.). Prasch teaches that the Holy Spirit will be taken from the world, not from believers, and that the capacity to preach the gospel will end i.e. grace will come to an end. Isn't this a denial of the gospel? 

Jacob Prasch's Dishonesty

The pre-wrath position as we know it was actually developed by Robert Van Kampen during the 1970's. I am at a loss to understand why Prasch is in denial about this fact, other than his apparent desire to be deliberately perverse! Prasch gives all the credit for pre-wrath to those who cannot legitimately take the credit for it i.e. Tregelles and CS Lovett.{4} Pre-wrath was definitely NOT developed by Tregelles who was post-tribulational. Lovett's version of pre-wrath is a combination of pre-wrath and post-trib which differs significantly from the pre-wrath position as we know it. Lovett extends the tribulation to the entirety of the 70th week of Daniel and puts the rapture at the end of this period. According to his view, the wrath of God is poured out after the 70th week. The church therefore escapes the wrath, but goes through seven years of tribulation. I am confident in my view that the pioneer of the pre-wrath position as we know it today was in fact Robert Van Kampen who was later supported by Marvin Rosenthall. Jacob Prasch disputes these simple facts and continues to promote his nonsensical intra-seal theory. In this respect, Prasch is very similar to the pretribulationists in his insistence on a "doctrine" which finds not one verse of confirmation in the scriptures!

 "Lovett believes the Church will go through seven years of tribulation, and at the end of those seven years, i.e., the end of Daniel's 70th week, it will be raptured and then the wrath of God is poured out, i.e., the seven bowls of wrath. After 45 days, the Church will then return with Christ. Though he says he is a "Prewrather," his doctrine reads as sort of a combination of PreWrath/Posttrib."{5}

Prasch's comparison between intra-seal and pre-wrath, is, in my view, a very dishonest tactical move in order for his theory to gain credence! I haven't noticed any pre-wrath scholars rushing to agree with Prasch about the alleged similarities between pre-wrath and intra-seal! The pre-wrath camp generally believe the Archangel Michael to be the Restrainer, though they are not dogmatic. Intra-seal is a kind of mishmash of other peoples ideas. In particular Prasch has borrowed Darby's view of the Holy Spirit as the Restrainer, the erroneous seven year tribulation is borrowed from the pretribulationists, and he has mimicked and corrupted original scholars Robert Van Kampen and Marvin Rosenthall.{4}The modern pre-wrath scholars are, in my experience, very careful in their exegesis and they back up their assertions with the scriptures. We cannot say the same about Prasch's intra-seal eisegesis.  

The danger of the intra seal theory is that it adds to the general confusion/deception surrounding the 70th week of Daniel. Because intra-seal is so nonsensical with no scriptural basis, the danger is that it may actually work against the purposes of God and have the effect of strengthening the false pre-tribulation rapture theory which has such a stronghold on the Western church. Prasch has done no-one any favours with his wacky theory. Furthermore, no one, even within Moriel, with the exception of Prasch himself, appears to understand intra-seal. Like Darby's pre-trib deception, intra-seal is nothing more than an exercise in academic vainglory and should be treated as such. I regard this whole sorry teaching as a presumptuous misrepresentation of the Godhead which also compromises the gospel (2 Corinthians 11:4).   

Prasch endorses proven ecumenist David Noakes as a valid prophetic voice and gives him a platform.{6} 

David Noakes is a director of Harvest Vision and is well known within certain circles for his "Thus saith the Lord" prophecies. Harvest Vision together with CCM (The Centre of Contemporary Ministry) is the overarching Charity responsible for Moggerhanger Park which is ecumenical. Noakes is an adviser for Issachar Ministries (also based at Moggerhanger until 2015) and is also in partnership with interfaith/ecumenical HopeTogether. Clifford Hill (CCM) thoroughly endorses Noakes - they have been close friends and colleagues for more than 30 years. Noakes' prophecies in the first person of the Lord are plausible enough for him to pass them off as genuine. However, with such connections we should seriously question their authenticity. Noakes' prophecy of November 2015 and Clifford Hill's endorsement can be read on the link below.{7}

Question: Would God speak in the first person and give prophecies through a man who is ecumenical? I think not! We would be have to be very naive to believe that Prasch is not fully aware of Noakes and his connections.


Essentially Prasch has denied the gospel and the ministry of the Holy Spirit for the entirety of the 70th week of Daniel which is no small matter! As more and more concerns come into the light, I think we are justified in asking the question: Is Jacob Prasch what he appears to be, or is he in fact part of the problem?  His questionable intra-seal theory muddies the waters at a critical time when clarity, not confusion is needed (Ezekiel 34:18). Prasch's abusive language towards those who are supposedly his "brethren" just compound the concerns now being voiced about him by a growing number of Christians!

Concerns about Jacob Prasch:

  • He has repeatedly given a platform to proven ecumenist David Noakes.{6} 
  • Intra-seal is based on eisegesis and is not found in the scriptures.
  • He has been dishonest in giving credit to the wrong people for pre-wrath. {8}
  • The comparison between intra-seal with pre-wrath is invalid.
  • There is no such thing as a seven year tribulation in the scriptures.{1}
  • He has incorrectly stated that the two witnesses of Revelation 11 will prophesy at the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel.{9}
  • He has attempted to muddy the waters concerning the role of women in the church.{10}
  • He flaunts the six pointed star as a valid national symbol for Israel, which it is definitely not! {11}
  • He has a reputation as a reviler (1 Corinthians 5:11).{12} 

Believers should stop being naive about their favourite teachers, whoever they are, and should test prophecy and teaching with the scriptures (1 John 4:1):

Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so. (Acts 17:11) 

My full refutation of Prasch's false eschatology can be viewed on the following link: 

{1}  http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/jacob-prasch-say-again-tribulation-is.html
{2}  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8BousC77kU
{3}  http://biblehub.com/greek/1651.htm  
{4}  https://www.moriel.org/component/k2/item/2682-the-development-and-origins-of-modern-pre-wrath-inter-seal%20positions.html  
{5}  http://www.velocity.net/~edju70/Prewrath1.htm  
{6}  https://www.moriel.org/component/k2/item/2629-prophecy-from-david-noakes.html
{7}  http://ukapologeticslibrary.net/ecumenists-clifford-hill-david-noakes-moggerhanger-park/  
{8}  http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/jacob-prasch-moriel-ministries-and-his.html#comments 
{9}  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pH8tJ8cWQg
{10} http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/jacob-prasch-moriel-ministries-gagging.html
{11} http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=218 
{12} http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/jacob-prasch-moriel-ministries-and-his.html
Further links: 

Thursday, 8 September 2016

howard conder's illegal threats against his accusers! Revelation TV

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive opinions. They will even deny the Master who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. Even so, many will follow their licentious ways, and because of these teachers the way of truth will be maligned. And in their greed they will exploit you with deceptive words. Their condemnation, pronounced against them long ago, has not been idle, and their destruction is not asleep. (2 Peter 2:1-3)

The unchristian behaviour of Howard Condor continues to astound everyone, both his friends and his detractors! One really does wonder if there is anyone foolish enough left to continue to support RTV.

On The Late Show on the 5th of September, Conder continued to breathe out threats against those he thinks have reported the Revelation Foundation to the Charity Commission. Conder continues to menace his complainants, despite having received a warning to desist at the beginning of the CC investigation. Conder has once again threatened to "deal with them" (his complainants) after the investigation is closed!{1} Conder has NO legal right to take action against the ten people who reported him to the CC! He also stated that it is too expensive to sue his critics. As such, I think we must take Conder's language as a direct threat of harm outside the law, towards those who quite rightly condemn the ungodly antics of RTV! Conder's repeated open threats are a form of harassment which is calculated to cause alarm and distress. We have already witnessed this in one person who has found Conder's threats "deeply troubling" in the past.{2}

Though I am not one of the original complainants, I am one of RTV's fiercest critics. I have therefore personally reported him to the CC today and have asked for their guidance on this matter. I refuse to be threatened by such a person who, in my view, is a liability to the promotion of the gospel of Jesus Christ and the growth of the church (2 Timothy 3:13). His abusive behaviour towards others and his confession of faith are an oxymoron! This man is unfit to hold a position of influence over a "Christian" charity or to call himself a "pastor".

It is an offence to use threatening, insulting or abusive language if it provokes violence or causes fear of violence (section 4 Public Order Act 1986). It is also an offence to use abusive or insulting words or behaviour within the sight or hearing of someone likely to be harassed, alarmed or distressed (section 5 of the same act).{3}

Even his own viewers sought to correct Conder on the 6th of September when he continued his belligerence and refused to forgive others a number of times.{4} It seems to me that the boot is very much on the other foot, and that Conder should seek forgiveness from those he has hurt and lied about, rather than refusing to forgive them for reporting him and his associates to the CC.

Those individuals who reported their concerns to the CC did so anonymously, and they have a perfect right to remain anonymous. Conder has previously spoken very menacingly about a "paper trail"  and an "email trail" in order to wreak his vengeance on "payback day":

Conder: "There is a day, there is payback day. When all this is over, we will be putting things back out there. We have got the proof, got the names, there are people that have been talking about us...... xxxxx xxxxx blog..... by the way xxxx I have got your email, I can see exactly what you are up to and the things you have said about us are untrue and we will be dealing with you, trust me....... There are lots of people who have said they are not involved, you are all involved and I know who you are and this is the thing with trolls, they think they can hide behind and do this."  {2} I have blanked this persons name out because I notice they have now deleted all their previous posts about Revelation TV on their blog. I wonder if this is due to Conder's threats and fear of reprisals?

Conder and Pettie are also accusing the CC on air of acting dishonestly about the "real reason" for the investigation. The smoke screen they are using is a very cheap attempt to defend themselves. They claim that the investigation is illicit and has been brought about because RTV are not politically correct on issues like homosexuality and marriage etc. This seems like another red herring in order to produce sympathy and support from their supporters. The CC have made the reason for their investigation perfectly clear:

"In March 2014 complaints were received from members of the public alleging the charity was being used for private advantage. A subsequent scrutiny of the charity’s accounts by the commission identified regulatory concerns which include potential significant loss of charitable funds, trustee benefits, conflicts of interest and connected party transactions. These concerns are primarily in relation to the production and broadcasting of television programmes from Spain as well as the trustees’ decisions to transfer significant charitable assets and funds from the UK to Spain." {5}

After two years, many people are still awaiting the outcome of the Charity Commission investigation into the Revelation Foundation. In their favour, the CC do appear to have been very thorough and have carried out a VAT inspection and have also instigated HMRC investigation for 2013. Conder and Pettie are still professing their innocence however, though methinks that they protest too much! Whatever the outcome of the CC investigation, no one can really doubt the dishonesty of these two charlatans in taking money from several known false ministries for filthy lucre, particularly when they have previously assured their viewers on many occasions that they do not take one penny from the charity! (1 Timothy 3:1-7)

"..... when asked where the Conders get their money from, they would always say they don’t take money from Revelation, they have “other means”. This was not true as the Conders were getting paid by the back door through 21st Century TV Ltd (a private limited company) the whole time." {6}

Just glancing at the current apostates being aired on RTV, I see that we have hyper-grace teacher, Joseph Prince; false prophet and teacher, Jesse Duplantis; Word Faith Teacher, Joyce Myer; ecumenist, Hugh Osgood; the 700 Club and Seventh Day Adventists to name but a few!  The contradiction in terms of claiming to be a Christian channel and yet at the same time giving a platform to known false teachers really is unconscionable!

{1} http://www.revelationtv.com/programmes/episode/the-late-show14838  
{2} http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/revelation-tv-howard-conder-breathes.html#comments
{3} http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/public_order_offences/
{4} http://www.revelationtv.com/programmes/episode/the-late-show862605  
{5} https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-charity-investigation-revelation-foundation
{6} https://godvschristianity.wordpress.com/ 

Thursday, 1 September 2016

revelation tv: tim vince and his ecumenical compromise

Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few. Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognise them by their fruits. (Matthew 7:13-15)  

Tim Vince has recently rejoined Revelation TV after what was believed to be some kind of disagreement with volatile RTV founder, Howard Conder three years ago. Vince became part of RTV's leadership team in August 2013, but shortly afterwards he suddenly left without any announcement or explanation. Prior to 2013, Vince was involved with RTV for many years as a presenter and a regular host/contributor in the weekly Bible Study slot. Vince is described as a Management Consultant and is the Director of six organisations: Christian Education Europe Ltd, Harvest Vision Ltd, High End New Media Ltd, Land & Life Ltd, St David's College Trust and United Christian Alliance for Israel Ltd.{1} He is also CEO at Centre for Contemporary Ministry which has strong links with Issachar Ministries and C & M Ministries Trust (Clifford and Monica Hill).{2} 

As reported previously, Revelation TV airs many false teachers and demonstrates a deviant understanding of the scriptures in many areas, particularly concerning money (Matthew 6:24). Tim Vince has a pleasant personality and ready wit, but beware, there is a sting in his ecumenical tail! We should not be surprised that Vince has chosen to identify with RTV and the false teachers they air rather than with the true people of God (Hebrews 11: 24-26). Quite apart from putting his stamp of approval on RTV's apostasy, Vince himself is also tainted by ecumenism due to his close association with Issachar Ministries and Clifford Hill. We would do well to take heed of UK Apologetics Library who question the ministry of Clifford Hill and David Noakes, and not accept CCM, ISSACHAR Ministries, Moggerhanger House, etc. at face value.{3} 

The particular nest of vipers connected with Issachar Ministries seems to have come about through the purchase Moggerhanger Park in Bedford. Clifford Hill and Tim Vince have had a long and close association through Issachar Ministries. From 2010 to 2013 Vince was Chief Executive Officer at Moggerhanger Park. Moggerhanger House and Park are owned by Harvest Vision, a charity which was set up by a group of Christian Ministries in the early 1990s to find and manage a centre from which their ministries could operate. The house, plus 15 acres of parkland, were offered to Harvest Vision for the nominal sum of £1.00 to house the ministries, conditional upon essential repairs being carried out on the Grade II listed building, estimated to be £350k.{4} The Reverend Doctor Clifford Hill and his wife Monica of Issachar Ministries were the driving force behind, and part of, the group of ministries who purchased Moggerhanger Park in 1994.{5}  

There are plenty of ecumenical rabbit holes to go down with Issachar Ministries. Hill himself has appeared on RTV on a number of occasions and has many dubious links. Among many other questionable associations, Hill's "friend" is former Archbishop and Druid, Rowan Williams. Hill also has connections with Churches Together. {6} Issachar Ministries is in partnership with HopeTogether which is interfaith/ecumenical. Hope 08 was termed as an "ecumenical initiative" by Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor. {7} Hill is the founding editor of the Christian magazine Prophecy Today. One particular article posted in May this year entitled "Can These Bones Live" sang the praises of Winchester Cathedral which is Church of England and ecumenical.{8} Hill also has close associations and involvement with the Evangelical Alliance who are openly ecumenical these days.{9}

Clifford Hill and his wife with former Archbishop and Druid Rowan Williams
The Double Standards Of Clifford Hill

On the one hand Hill warns about the state of the nation etc.  and on the other holds hands with apostates!  He seems to be quite adept at vacillating between two opinions and giving "yes and no" responses (James 1:8 cf. 1 Corinthians 14:8). He was originally wary of the so called "Toronto Blessing", but for some inexplicable reason he attended the "Waves of the Spirit" conference held in the UK, 1996, and enthused over John Arnott (Toronto Airport Church). Of course, in doing so he put his seal of approval on the "Toronto Blessing" itself.  

Clifford Hill: "Bob Jones claims to have special powers of 'divination' which operate through his fingers and other senses...another occult experience.  He told Hill to stand and to raise both hands. Remarkably, Hill did as he was told! Jones then put his fingers against Hill's fingers, and told him that he would feel a 'transmission of energy'. Hill was then to tell Jones which finger was shaking.  Hill said 'I, meanwhile, was praying for the whole armour of God to protect me.'" {10} 

Excerpts from Breaking The Mould by Clifford Hill: Prophecy Today Nov/Dec 1997 can be found on the link below.{11}

Issachar Comments Papers of April 2013 illustrates that Clifford Hill and Issachar Ministries are either very naive and have no discernment whatsoever, or that they are actually part of the spiritual deception currently being disseminated by the spirit of Antichrist. To voice "great expectations" and hope in the leadership of a Jesuit Roman Catholic Pope and an Anglican Archbishop who came out of Holy Trinity Brompton is rather bizarre to put it mildly: 

"Issachar Comments Papers
Expounding biblical concepts on the world scene today
Francis and Justin
Great expectations surround the appointment of new leaders to the two largest Christian churches. A new Pope to lead the worldwide Roman Catholic Church and a new Archbishop of Canterbury to lead the worldwide Anglican Communion is giving hope to millions of Christians that this may be a turning point in history. For half a century the churches have been in decline throughout the Western nations, battling against the onslaught of secularism from outside and the growth of corrupting forces from inside."

A further connection with Moggerhanger is Vice Principal Robert Hunt of All Nations Christian College, who is on the staff of the British Church Growth Association/BCGA at Moggerhanger Park. {13} All Nations Christian College is promoted by Churches Together and provides theological training on an ecumenical basis.{14}

David Noakes is a director of Harvest Vision and is well known in certain circles for his "Thus saith the Lord" prophecies, is another person who is very much involved with Moggerhanger. Clifford Hill thoroughly endorses Noakes - they have been close friends and colleagues for more than 30 years. Noakes is an adviser for Issachar Ministries and is also in partnership with interfaith/ecumenical HopeTogether. Like Hill, Noakes' prophecies in the first person of the Lord are plausible enough for him to pass them off as genuine. However, with such connections we should seriously question their authenticity. Noakes' prophecy of November 2015 and Hill's endorsement can be read on the link below.{15} It is worth noting that Jacob Prasch of Moriel Ministries also endorses Noakes and gives him a platform.{16}  

Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you? (Luke 6:46)

Do not let my heart incline to any evil, to busy myself with wicked deeds in company with men who work iniquity, and let me not eat of their delicacies! (Psalm 141:4)

{1} https://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/director/17839270/timothy-vince
{2} http://issacharministries.co.uk/C&M%20About%20Us%20-1.html
{3} http://ukapologeticslibrary.net/ecumenists-clifford-hill-david-noakes-moggerhanger-park/
{4}  http://www.moggerhangerpark.com/pg/the-story 
{5}  http://issacharministries.co.uk/C&M%20About%20Us%20-1.html 
{6} http://www.cte.org.uk/Groups/261700/Home/Resources/Pentecostal_and_Multicultural/Papers/Papers.aspx 
{7}  http://www.hopetogether.org.uk/Groups/208744/Denominations.aspx 
{8} http://www.prophecytoday.uk/comment/editorial/item/400-can-these-bones-live.html 
{9} http://www.issacharministries.co.uk/images/pdf/Comments_Papers__A_New_Day_Dawns_01.0915.pdf
{10} http://www.christiandoctrine.net/doctrine/articles/article_00093_the_kansas_city_prophets_web.htm 
{11} http://bibleman.fr.yuku.com/topic/112/Clifford-Hill-Update-Vinyard-issues#.V8Qfrq1y7IU  
{12} http://www.issacharministries.co.uk/images/april2013.pdf
{13} https://watch.pair.com/toc-oxford.html 
{14} http://www.cte.org.uk/Groups/234775/Home/Contacts/Theological_Training/Theological_Training.aspx
{15} http://prophecytoday.uk/study/prophetic-insights/item/380-a-prophecy-given-by-david-noakes,-november-2015.html 
{16} http://www.banner.org.uk/news/old%20dox/noakes.html