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Thursday, 8 September 2016

howard conder's illegal threats against his accusers! Revelation TV

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive opinions. They will even deny the Master who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. Even so, many will follow their licentious ways, and because of these teachers the way of truth will be maligned. And in their greed they will exploit you with deceptive words. Their condemnation, pronounced against them long ago, has not been idle, and their destruction is not asleep. (2 Peter 2:1-3)

The unchristian behaviour of Howard Condor continues to astound everyone, both his friends and his detractors! One really does wonder if there is anyone foolish enough left to continue to support RTV.

On The Late Show on the 5th of September, Conder continued to breathe out threats against those he thinks have reported the Revelation Foundation to the Charity Commission. Conder continues to menace his complainants, despite having received a warning to desist at the beginning of the CC investigation. Conder has once again threatened to "deal with them" (his complainants) after the investigation is closed!{1} Conder has NO legal right to take action against the ten people who reported him to the CC! He also stated that it is too expensive to sue his critics. As such, I think we must take Conder's language as a direct threat of harm outside the law, towards those who quite rightly condemn the ungodly antics of RTV! Conder's repeated open threats are a form of harassment which is calculated to cause alarm and distress. We have already witnessed this in one person who has found Conder's threats "deeply troubling" in the past.{2}

Though I am not one of the original complainants, I am one of RTV's fiercest critics. I have therefore personally reported him to the CC today and have asked for their guidance on this matter. I refuse to be threatened by such a person who, in my view, is a liability to the promotion of the gospel of Jesus Christ and the growth of the church (2 Timothy 3:13). His abusive behaviour towards others and his confession of faith are an oxymoron! This man is unfit to hold a position of influence over a "Christian" charity or to call himself a "pastor".

It is an offence to use threatening, insulting or abusive language if it provokes violence or causes fear of violence (section 4 Public Order Act 1986). It is also an offence to use abusive or insulting words or behaviour within the sight or hearing of someone likely to be harassed, alarmed or distressed (section 5 of the same act).{3}

Even his own viewers sought to correct Conder on the 6th of September when he continued his belligerence and refused to forgive others a number of times.{4} It seems to me that the boot is very much on the other foot, and that Conder should seek forgiveness from those he has hurt and lied about, rather than refusing to forgive them for reporting him and his associates to the CC.

Those individuals who reported their concerns to the CC did so anonymously, and they have a perfect right to remain anonymous. Conder has previously spoken very menacingly about a "paper trail"  and an "email trail" in order to wreak his vengeance on "payback day":

Conder: "There is a day, there is payback day. When all this is over, we will be putting things back out there. We have got the proof, got the names, there are people that have been talking about us...... xxxxx xxxxx blog..... by the way xxxx I have got your email, I can see exactly what you are up to and the things you have said about us are untrue and we will be dealing with you, trust me....... There are lots of people who have said they are not involved, you are all involved and I know who you are and this is the thing with trolls, they think they can hide behind and do this."  {2} I have blanked this persons name out because I notice they have now deleted all their previous posts about Revelation TV on their blog. I wonder if this is due to Conder's threats and fear of reprisals?

Conder and Pettie are also accusing the CC on air of acting dishonestly about the "real reason" for the investigation. The smoke screen they are using is a very cheap attempt to defend themselves. They claim that the investigation is illicit and has been brought about because RTV are not politically correct on issues like homosexuality and marriage etc. This seems like another red herring in order to produce sympathy and support from their supporters. The CC have made the reason for their investigation perfectly clear:

"In March 2014 complaints were received from members of the public alleging the charity was being used for private advantage. A subsequent scrutiny of the charity’s accounts by the commission identified regulatory concerns which include potential significant loss of charitable funds, trustee benefits, conflicts of interest and connected party transactions. These concerns are primarily in relation to the production and broadcasting of television programmes from Spain as well as the trustees’ decisions to transfer significant charitable assets and funds from the UK to Spain." {5}

After two years, many people are still awaiting the outcome of the Charity Commission investigation into the Revelation Foundation. In their favour, the CC do appear to have been very thorough and have carried out a VAT inspection and have also instigated HMRC investigation for 2013. Conder and Pettie are still professing their innocence however, though methinks that they protest too much! Whatever the outcome of the CC investigation, no one can really doubt the dishonesty of these two charlatans in taking money from several known false ministries for filthy lucre, particularly when they have previously assured their viewers on many occasions that they do not take one penny from the charity! (1 Timothy 3:1-7)

"..... when asked where the Conders get their money from, they would always say they don’t take money from Revelation, they have “other means”. This was not true as the Conders were getting paid by the back door through 21st Century TV Ltd (a private limited company) the whole time." {6}

Just glancing at the current apostates being aired on RTV, I see that we have hyper-grace teacher, Joseph Prince; false prophet and teacher, Jesse Duplantis; Word Faith Teacher, Joyce Myer; ecumenist, Hugh Osgood; the 700 Club and Seventh Day Adventists to name but a few!  The contradiction in terms of claiming to be a Christian channel and yet at the same time giving a platform to known false teachers really is unconscionable!

{1} http://www.revelationtv.com/programmes/episode/the-late-show14838  
{2} http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/revelation-tv-howard-conder-breathes.html#comments
{3} http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/public_order_offences/
{4} http://www.revelationtv.com/programmes/episode/the-late-show862605  
{5} https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-charity-investigation-revelation-foundation
{6} https://godvschristianity.wordpress.com/ 


Wynkin de Worde said...

Don't let them get away with it - go girl!

Treena Gisborn said...

I have committed RTV to the Lord W... we will have to wait and see how all this turns out. God bless

William Scully said...

Howard Conder and the avuncular Gordon Pettie on The Late Show sofa the other night telling everyone that they are whiter than white, that they have done absolutely nothing wrong and that the Charities Commission are now getting desperate by referring their case to HMRC in a last ditch attempt to find fault with their organisation. Howard also chastised by Pettie for admitting that he cannot forgive his accusers, preferring to allow God to judge them. Yet another example of Conder’s bloated arrogance and Pettie presenting himself as Mr Clean, despite his dodgy past. I’m sure Conder’s “accusers” won’t lose any sleep over his inability to forgive them, and, for myself, I would prefer to wait for the CC report rather than believe individuals who we all know have been less than truthful in the past, who brook no criticism from anybody and continue to flog airtime to some of the most despicable prosperity “pastors” out there.Very little surprises me with Howard Conder, his vainglorious utterances and empty threats are typical of his extremely narcissistic personality, as is his inability to accept any criticism. Watching him interact on the sofa with whoever is with him, including his wife, he constantly talks over them and will even rebuke them if he senses they are not listening to what he has to say. He did this yesterday with his wife on R Mornings. In my view, this all masks a very weak and insecure individual who gives meaning and balance to his life by over controlling everyone around him. It really is worth watching him with Pettie on the late show on Tuesdayto get a sense of what I mean. Try counting the number of times he talks over Mr Pettie, whose exasperation is only too obvious. Well done Treena by the way, a really excellent blog there.

Treena Gisborn said...

Thank you William. Conder behaves more like a Mafia boss than a "pastor" as he and Pettie now like to be known. Conder's threats have I believe seriously intimidated someone we know who said that they had "sleepless nights" over them as I remember. Conder likes to play the victim, but he is very much the aggressor and the bully. We should not have to put up with such aggression under the guise of "Christianity". God bless

William Scully said...

I'm sorry to hear about that individual who has had sleepless nights, as you say, it is disgusting and despicable that someone claiming to be a Christian should make a fellow human being feel that way. That individual should take solace from the fact that Conders threats are all bluff and empty rhetoric in my view and should not be taken seriously. That said, I fully agree with your decision to report him to the CC, we can only hope they give him a severe reprimand, or perhaps even pass on the matter to the police.

Treena Gisborn said...

I hope you are right William, but I am not so sure that Conder's threats are empty.. He has been talking about taking revenge for such a long time. "For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." Matthew 12:34. In any event the CC should be aware and I do hope that they take action of some sort. God bless

colin said...

It is over four years ago since I last watched RTV. I would hardly know what was going on but for blogs like these. Howard's behaviour is quite simply, shocking! My information is second hand, but there is more than one witness. How anyone can defend him is beyond me!
I remember, back about 2002 my wife spoke to Howard on the telephone for a good half an hour or so, and said of him, "what a gentle, humble and fine Christian man Howard is". She was inferring that I should be more like him! I must admit, in the early days of RTV, Howard came over very much like my wife's description of him! Whatever happened to him?
The CC won't be concerned about "false teachers", only about financial misconduct. And is the fact that this investigation is taking so long, good news for RTV? I would think not.

A threat IS a threat, whether it is empty or not. Words can kill; "Death and life are in the power of the tongue" Proverbs 18.21. Howard should take note of the Lord Jesus words in Matthew 12.36-37. We know not the constitution of "the individual who has had sleepless nights".
God bless.

Treena Gisborn said...

Thank you so much Colin, your insights are very helpful. I believe that Conder's threats are deliberatly designed to cause fear and intimidation. Sadly it has affected someone we know of quite badly. God bless

Anonymous said...

I'm assuming Gordon Hudson has removed many of his blog posts about RTV because Conder threatened him?

Treena Gisborn said...

Conder has threatened him a number of times anonymous, amongst others as well... I don't know if that is the reason he has removed his blog posts. God bless

Sarah Acott said...

Great article Treena. I started writing one myself earlier as frankly Conder has gone too far again. It's inspired me to blog again lol!

He might be upset, but had he not told lies and deceived people he would not be in this position.

I'm unsure what his threats mean, but I'm not concerned. He knows he can't take legal action against people who have proof of everything they say so I do wonder how he intends to get his vengeance.

Treena Gisborn said...

Thank you Sarah. Conder has no right to deliberately act in such a menacing way. His intentions are unmistakably evil whatever they are. God bless you.

Sarah Acott said...

Hi Treena

I've just posted a new article in the form of an open letter to Howard. I wonder if he will respond?!

Sarah Acott said...

Forgot the link lol

Treena Gisborn said...

Thank you Sarah. I will continue to pray about this situation. God bless x