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Thursday, 1 September 2016

revelation tv: tim vince and his ecumenical compromise

Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few. Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognise them by their fruits. (Matthew 7:13-15)  

Tim Vince has recently rejoined Revelation TV after what was believed to be some kind of disagreement with volatile RTV founder, Howard Conder three years ago. Vince became part of RTV's leadership team in August 2013, but shortly afterwards he suddenly left without any announcement or explanation. Prior to 2013, Vince was involved with RTV for many years as a presenter and a regular host/contributor in the weekly Bible Study slot. Vince is described as a Management Consultant and is the Director of six organisations: Christian Education Europe Ltd, Harvest Vision Ltd, High End New Media Ltd, Land & Life Ltd, St David's College Trust and United Christian Alliance for Israel Ltd.{1} He is also CEO at Centre for Contemporary Ministry which has strong links with Issachar Ministries and C & M Ministries Trust (Clifford and Monica Hill).{2} 

As reported previously, Revelation TV airs many false teachers and demonstrates a deviant understanding of the scriptures in many areas, particularly concerning money (Matthew 6:24). Tim Vince has a pleasant personality and ready wit, but beware, there is a sting in his ecumenical tail! We should not be surprised that Vince has chosen to identify with RTV and the false teachers they air rather than with the true people of God (Hebrews 11: 24-26). Quite apart from putting his stamp of approval on RTV's apostasy, Vince himself is also tainted by ecumenism due to his close association with Issachar Ministries and Clifford Hill. We would do well to take heed of UK Apologetics Library who question the ministry of Clifford Hill and David Noakes, and not accept CCM, ISSACHAR Ministries, Moggerhanger House, etc. at face value.{3} 

The particular nest of vipers connected with Issachar Ministries seems to have come about through the purchase Moggerhanger Park in Bedford. Clifford Hill and Tim Vince have had a long and close association through Issachar Ministries. From 2010 to 2013 Vince was Chief Executive Officer at Moggerhanger Park. Moggerhanger House and Park are owned by Harvest Vision, a charity which was set up by a group of Christian Ministries in the early 1990s to find and manage a centre from which their ministries could operate. The house, plus 15 acres of parkland, were offered to Harvest Vision for the nominal sum of £1.00 to house the ministries, conditional upon essential repairs being carried out on the Grade II listed building, estimated to be £350k.{4} The Reverend Doctor Clifford Hill and his wife Monica of Issachar Ministries were the driving force behind, and part of, the group of ministries who purchased Moggerhanger Park in 1994.{5}  

There are plenty of ecumenical rabbit holes to go down with Issachar Ministries. Hill himself has appeared on RTV on a number of occasions and has many dubious links. Among many other questionable associations, Hill's "friend" is former Archbishop and Druid, Rowan Williams. Hill also has connections with Churches Together. {6} Issachar Ministries is in partnership with HopeTogether which is interfaith/ecumenical. Hope 08 was termed as an "ecumenical initiative" by Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor. {7} Hill is the founding editor of the Christian magazine Prophecy Today. One particular article posted in May this year entitled "Can These Bones Live" sang the praises of Winchester Cathedral which is Church of England and ecumenical.{8} Hill also has close associations and involvement with the Evangelical Alliance who are openly ecumenical these days.{9}

Clifford Hill and his wife with former Archbishop and Druid Rowan Williams
The Double Standards Of Clifford Hill

On the one hand Hill warns about the state of the nation etc.  and on the other holds hands with apostates!  He seems to be quite adept at vacillating between two opinions and giving "yes and no" responses (James 1:8 cf. 1 Corinthians 14:8). He was originally wary of the so called "Toronto Blessing", but for some inexplicable reason he attended the "Waves of the Spirit" conference held in the UK, 1996, and enthused over John Arnott (Toronto Airport Church). Of course, in doing so he put his seal of approval on the "Toronto Blessing" itself.  

Clifford Hill: "Bob Jones claims to have special powers of 'divination' which operate through his fingers and other senses...another occult experience.  He told Hill to stand and to raise both hands. Remarkably, Hill did as he was told! Jones then put his fingers against Hill's fingers, and told him that he would feel a 'transmission of energy'. Hill was then to tell Jones which finger was shaking.  Hill said 'I, meanwhile, was praying for the whole armour of God to protect me.'" {10} 

Excerpts from Breaking The Mould by Clifford Hill: Prophecy Today Nov/Dec 1997 can be found on the link below.{11}

Issachar Comments Papers of April 2013 illustrates that Clifford Hill and Issachar Ministries are either very naive and have no discernment whatsoever, or that they are actually part of the spiritual deception currently being disseminated by the spirit of Antichrist. To voice "great expectations" and hope in the leadership of a Jesuit Roman Catholic Pope and an Anglican Archbishop who came out of Holy Trinity Brompton is rather bizarre to put it mildly: 

"Issachar Comments Papers
Expounding biblical concepts on the world scene today
Francis and Justin
Great expectations surround the appointment of new leaders to the two largest Christian churches. A new Pope to lead the worldwide Roman Catholic Church and a new Archbishop of Canterbury to lead the worldwide Anglican Communion is giving hope to millions of Christians that this may be a turning point in history. For half a century the churches have been in decline throughout the Western nations, battling against the onslaught of secularism from outside and the growth of corrupting forces from inside."

A further connection with Moggerhanger is Vice Principal Robert Hunt of All Nations Christian College, who is on the staff of the British Church Growth Association/BCGA at Moggerhanger Park. {13} All Nations Christian College is promoted by Churches Together and provides theological training on an ecumenical basis.{14}

David Noakes is a director of Harvest Vision and is well known in certain circles for his "Thus saith the Lord" prophecies, is another person who is very much involved with Moggerhanger. Clifford Hill thoroughly endorses Noakes - they have been close friends and colleagues for more than 30 years. Noakes is an adviser for Issachar Ministries and is also in partnership with interfaith/ecumenical HopeTogether. Like Hill, Noakes' prophecies in the first person of the Lord are plausible enough for him to pass them off as genuine. However, with such connections we should seriously question their authenticity. Noakes' prophecy of November 2015 and Hill's endorsement can be read on the link below.{15} It is worth noting that Jacob Prasch of Moriel Ministries also endorses Noakes and gives him a platform.{16}  

Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you? (Luke 6:46)

Do not let my heart incline to any evil, to busy myself with wicked deeds in company with men who work iniquity, and let me not eat of their delicacies! (Psalm 141:4)

{1} https://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/director/17839270/timothy-vince
{2} http://issacharministries.co.uk/C&M%20About%20Us%20-1.html
{3} http://ukapologeticslibrary.net/ecumenists-clifford-hill-david-noakes-moggerhanger-park/
{4}  http://www.moggerhangerpark.com/pg/the-story 
{5}  http://issacharministries.co.uk/C&M%20About%20Us%20-1.html 
{6} http://www.cte.org.uk/Groups/261700/Home/Resources/Pentecostal_and_Multicultural/Papers/Papers.aspx 
{7}  http://www.hopetogether.org.uk/Groups/208744/Denominations.aspx 
{8} http://www.prophecytoday.uk/comment/editorial/item/400-can-these-bones-live.html 
{9} http://www.issacharministries.co.uk/images/pdf/Comments_Papers__A_New_Day_Dawns_01.0915.pdf
{10} http://www.christiandoctrine.net/doctrine/articles/article_00093_the_kansas_city_prophets_web.htm 
{11} http://bibleman.fr.yuku.com/topic/112/Clifford-Hill-Update-Vinyard-issues#.V8Qfrq1y7IU  
{12} http://www.issacharministries.co.uk/images/april2013.pdf
{13} https://watch.pair.com/toc-oxford.html 
{14} http://www.cte.org.uk/Groups/234775/Home/Contacts/Theological_Training/Theological_Training.aspx
{15} http://prophecytoday.uk/study/prophetic-insights/item/380-a-prophecy-given-by-david-noakes,-november-2015.html 
{16} http://www.banner.org.uk/news/old%20dox/noakes.html   


  1. Tim Vince is a very amiable, pleasant and mild mannered gentleman, the sort of fine Christian man you would want your daughter to marry!
    But sadly, as you have clearly revealed, Tim Vince's friends and associates, show him to be a man well and truly entangled in the ecumenical spiders web!
    Miguel Hayworth's and Barry Napier's websites, that you have referred to (nos 3 & 10 respectively) are VERY good resources for your blog followers to visit. These men "pull no punches" when it comes to the wickedness of ecumenism!
    It troubles me so very much that a great many 'Christians' can't see the evil nature of ecumenism, and its Rome-ward bound destination.
    God bless you.

  2. Tim Vince is very likeable, I agree Colin. That is what makes him so very dangerous. I too am very troubled by the ecumenical delusion. It seems to be progressing and infiltrating ministries that we wouldn't even have dreamt of not too long ago! God bless you.

  3. The ecumaniacs are flourishing like disease-carrying flies during this predicted Laodicean age - and they will continue to do so until the Lord Himself "swats" them. Do you suppose that they are in a sense a part of the "pestilences" mentioned in Matthew 24? I love the way you are so ably "swatting" them yourself, Treena!

  4. Thank you Irv. For the most part, Christians are oblivious to the dangers of ecumenism and it continues to grow like an out of control cancer in the churches. I see Matthew 24:7 as physical: "famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in diverse places" (KJV)- the begiining of sorrows (birth pains). You may have a point though, ecumenism is a pestilence and is fatal! God bless.

  5. God bless you too, Treena.

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