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Saturday, 13 December 2025

THE KIRK CAMERON PROBLEM: CHRONIC ITCHING EAR SYNDROME

 Kirk Cameron Denies 'Eternal Conscious Torment,' Is Now An Annihilationist? - Protestia

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions.. (2 Timothy 4:3).

Those who support the heresy of annihilationism must face the chilling fact that they are directly contradicting unequivocal scriptural evidence that hell is eternal conscious torment.  

And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.” (Isaiah 66:24 cf. Mark 9:44)

Study Bible: "The 'worm' and 'fire' are metaphors for unending decay and punishment. Isaiah chooses decay imagery to stress unending shame. A maggot-consuming corpse normally finishes its work; here the process 'never' ends. Jesus cites this phrase verbatim for Gehenna (Mark 9:47-48), affirming eternal, conscious punishment.
The incongruity of the two images shows that they are not to be understood literally; but both alike imply everlasting continuance, and are incompatible with either of the two modern heresies of universalism or annihilationism."1 

Bible Hub: "No hint of annihilation appears; the torment is ongoing, not terminated.
Fire in Scripture pictures God’s wrath (Hebrews 12:29). It is 'unquenchable,' meaning no outside force can lessen or end it (Matthew 25:41Revelation 20:10).
The permanence of the fire matches the never-dying worm—dual metaphors underscoring one reality.
This affirms the literal, eternal nature of hell, a place prepared for the devil and his angels yet shared by all who persist in rebellion."2

And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” (Matthew 25:46) .

And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:2).
 
The contrast and dual destiny between eternal life and eternal punishment are found in both the New and Old Testaments. It is possible for those who question eternal conscious punishment to also question eternal life. As such, annihilationism strikes at the very heart of the gospel itself. Those who view annihilationism as a secondary or even a tertiary issue should think again!

Bengel's Gnomen: "The Bible has no metaphysical distinctions, therefore it has no one word to express eternity; this it expresses by long periods joined with one another indefinitely. Αἰῶνες = עו̇לָמִים, æva: very long periods, which, multiplied indefinitely, give the only notion we can form of eternity. Ὡρα (Th. ὃρος, terminus), a definite space of time: καιρὸς, the time, the fit time: χρόνος, time, in its actuality, marking succession: αἰὼν, an indefinite course of time, without the notion of an end. See Tittm. Syn. Gr. Test. Ἀπʼ αἰώνων = from all eternity, a parte ante. Εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας = to all eternity, for ages, for ever, a parte post. As these phrases are applied to the eternity of God Himself, and as, moreover, αἰώνιος is applied to ζωὴ, which none deny to mean everlasting life, no objections (such as have been lately raised), from the meaning of αἰὼν, will hold good against the everlasting duration of punishment."3

And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. (Matthew 25:41).

And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.” (Revelation 14:11).

They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might. (2 Thessalonians 1:9)

“There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried, and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. (Luke 16:19-31).

As unpalatable as we may find the doctrine of eternal torment, the only way around it is to deny the scriptures. Those who choose this course may find themselves facing the very fate they seek to deny! (Galatians 6:7; Job 4:8; Hosea 8:7; Romans 2:6).
 
Mike Winger: "I'm open to the possibility of annihilationism or conditional immortality."4

Ray Comfort (Living Waters) is a longstanding associate of Kirk Cameron, although strangely, he denies having had any "official involvement" with him for over ten years. Comfort has consistently denied annihilationism, maintaining that the traditional doctrine of eternal conscious torment is the correct biblical view. He has publicly addressed Cameron's recent comments on annihilationism, emphasising that Cameron's views do not align with Living Waters' long-held position.5 Alarmingly, Comfort regularly appears on the apostate channel TBN, and he and Cameron hosted a joint fundraiser on TBN last year.6

Cameron previously supported the pretrib rapture view and starred in the "Left Behind" film, which was released in 2000. "Left Behind" pretribulational theology is not biblically accurate and has been widely criticised and debunked by various bible teachers. Cameron subsequently changed his view from pretribulationism to posttribulationism following discussions with Joe Schimmel (Blessed Hope Chapel). Once again, Cameron did not do his due diligence and he failed to recognise the flaws in Schimmel's posttribulational eschatology. (1 John 4:1). More recently, Cameron has promoted a more world-and-life view, focusing on family, history, and cultural renewal rather than "apocalyptic fear". He now claims that the rapture may not happen for millennia.7  This view aligns more with postmillennialism, although Cameron has not formally identified with any particular tradition. Cameron's disjointed history indicates that he is not a reliable source and is unqualified to teach theology. (2 Timothy 2:15). The scriptures state that no one knows the day or the hour, and we should watch rather than speculate about the time of Jesus' Parousia. Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. (Matthew 24:36,42). Furthermore, the scriptures do not hold out an optimistic eschatological view; in fact, just the reverse. 

But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, , unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. (2 Timothy 3:1-5 cf. Matthew 24:12; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Peter 3:3; Jude 1:18 ).

I suggest that we take the advice of the apostle and mark and avoid Kirk Cameron. (Romans 16:17-18).

Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. (Proverbs 3:5).  


1. Isaiah 66:24 Commentaries: "Then they will go forth and look On the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me. For their worm will not die And their fire will not be quenched; And they will be an abhorrence to all mankind."
2. Isaiah 66:24 "As they go forth, they will see the corpses of the men who have rebelled against Me; for their worm will never die, their fire will never be quenched, and they will be a horror to all mankind."
3. Matthew 25:46 Commentaries: "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."4. (152) 20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 99) - YouTube
5. Addressing Kirk Cameron’s New Thoughts On Hell – Living Waters Down Under | Ray Comfort
6. Bing Videos
7. A Worldview of Optimism and Vi… - The Gary DeMar Podcast - Apple Podcasts

Friday, 15 January 2016

edward fudge, david reagan: the heresy of annihilationism

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8)

The traditional biblical view about hell is the eternal torment of the wicked in the Lake of Fire after the Great White Throne judgement of Christ. Annihilationism (from the Latin annihilō) is the doctrine that apart from salvation the death of human beings results in their total destruction (annihilation) rather than their everlasting torment.

Pro annihilationist theologian Edward Fudge author of The Fire That Consumes has posed the troubling question: "Must we conclude that God who gave his Son for sinners, will keep billions of them alive – to torment them without end?" 1 The heresy of annihilationism has been promoted in its various forms by John Stott, Phillip E. Hughes, John Wenham, Stephen Travis, Stephen Davis, Clark Pinnock, and more recently by David Reagan of Lamb and Lion Ministries. Reagan suggests that the concept of eternal torment converts God into a "cosmic sadist" and finds "difficulties" with the traditional view of hell,2  one of the pitfalls of relying on ones own understanding I think! (Proverbs 3:5) 

David Reagan: "I believe the Bible teaches the unrighteous will be resurrected, judged, punished in Hell for a period of time proportional tot heir sins, and then suffer destruction (the death of body and soul)." 3

The main controversy stems from the adjective αἰώνιος which is derived from aiṓn (an age). There is a distinction in the scriptures between "this age" which will come to an end, and "the coming age" which will be eternal/unending/perpetual. Context is everything. If we restrict αἰώνιος to a cycle of time when referring to eternity, this presents a problem, since eternity stands outside the constraints of time as we know it. Eternity (forever) can be defined as "endless time" in that there is no past, present or future, suggesting that it is a place where one experiences a perpetual state of being. Annihilationism is a line of thought that totally deconstructs the gospel, since it must logically follow that if we deny eternal damnation, then we must also deny eternal life! The very same word αἰώνιος is used to describe the state of those who will inherit eternal life as well as those who will inherit eternal punishment. 

Examples of αἰώνιος

.....but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age (αἰῶνι) or in the [age] to come (μέλλοντι) (Matthew 12:32)

As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the [αἰῶνος] age?” (Matthew 24:3)

Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the [αἰῶνος] age. (Matthew 13:40)

And these will go away into eternal [aiōnion] punishment, but the righteous into eternal [aiōnion] life.” (Matthew 25:46; cf. Matthew 19:16, 29; Mark 10:17,30 etc.)

But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever (αἰῶνα) and ever (αἰῶνος).. (Hebrews 1:8). Is Christ’s throne forever or is it for a cycle of time? Once again, we have to change our theology completely to accommodate the meaning of αἰώνιος to mean a cycle of time.

The apostle Paul gives further insight: They will suffer the punishment of eternal [αἰώνιον] destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might…. ( 2 Thessalonians 1:9) The Greek preposition ἀπό means ‘away from’. In other words they are denied access to the presence of the Lord in addition to suffering the punishment of eternal destruction.

..but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations, according to the command of the [αἰωνίου] eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith— (Romans 16:26) Would anyone doubt that God Himself has always existed and is eternal in the way we traditionally conceive eternal?

..how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the [αἰωνίου] eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God. (Hebrews 9:14)

In the Old Testament the equivalent word for αἰώνιος in Hebrew is עוֹלָם (olam) which means eternity, forever, perpetual, everlasting etc. but like the Greek αἰώνιος, עוֹלָם can also means of long duration, ages. Your throne is established from of old; you are from everlasting (מֵֽעֹולָ֣ם) (Psalm 93:2; Isaiah 40:28).

The prophet Isaiah wrote: you will lie down in torment - literally you will תִּשְׁכָּבֽוּן die/sleep/rest in מַעֲצֵבָה torment/pain. (Isaiah 50:11)

Daniel: And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. (Daniel 12:2) Daniel uses עוֹלָם to describe the fate of all the dead.

Hades and Sheol are interchangeable words in the Bible. Hades or hell is an intermediate place of torment according to Jesus Christ’s parable of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:29). The Lake of Fire is the final destination of the wicked after the millennial reign of Christ and the Great White Throne Judgement (Revelation 20:11-15). Gehenna (the valley of Hinnom) was a constantly burning refuse dump southwest of Jerusalem which Jesus Christ used as a metaphor for hell eleven times in the gospels.

And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20/13-15)

The unredeemed in Gehenna express their indescribable anguish and despair which is described as “weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matthew 8:12; 13:42, 50; 22:13; 24:51; 25:30; Luke 13:28).

The words of Jesus Christ himself indicate that eternal torment is a place where there is perpetual conscious pain and distress:

The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 13:41-42)

Jesus Christ calls this place "eternal fire” (αἰώνιον eπῦρ) in Matthew 25:41, 18:8-9; Mark 9:43-45 (see also Jude 1:7). John the Baptist calls hell “unquenchable fire” (Mark 9:12; Luke 3:17). Jesus Christ confirms this:

And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell to the unquenchable fire. (Mark 9:43). Other versions say: never goes out or cannot be put out - in Greek: ἄσβεστος = perpetual, inextinguishable.

..where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched. (Mark 9/48)

The above verses are unequivocal and cannot indicate annihilation.

DA Carson: "…..one is surely entitled to ask why the fires should burn forever and the worms not die [cf. Mark 9:47-48] if their purpose comes to an end.”  4

FALSE TEACHERS

These are hidden reefs at your love feasts, as they feast with you without fear, shepherds feeding themselves; waterless clouds, swept along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted; wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever. (Jude 1:13)

SODOM AND GOMORRAH

For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgement; if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly..... (2 Peter 2:4-6)

Reagan: "The concept of eternal torment seems to run contrary to biblical examples. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah with fire — suddenly and quickly. He destroyed Noah’s evil world with water — suddenly and quickly. He ordered the Canaanites to be killed swiftly."  This is an incomplete comparison. What happened to Sodom was their physical destruction. According to Jesus Christ the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah still exist and face further future consequences for their wickedness in eternity. 

Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the Day of Judgement for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town. (Matthew 10:15)

 The Bible tells us that there will be a resurrection for every person:

..there will be a resurrection of both the just and the unjust. (Acts 24:15)
..those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgement. (John 5:20)

When words or phrases are repeated in the Bible it is specifically for special emphasis to reiterate a point:

But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom and possess the kingdom forever, forever and ever.’ (Daniel 7:18)

And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever….. (Revelation 14:11)

They will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

Annihilationism has always been a minority view historically amongst traditional Christians. The doctrine of annihilationism is held by cult groups like Seventh-day Adventists, Jehovah Witnesses, Christadelphians etc. The Church of England’s slide into apostasy reached new depths in 1995 when their Doctrine Commission issued the popish pronouncement that: "[h]ell is not eternal torment", but "non-being." 5 Should accept what those wolves say?

Is it not enough for you to feed on the good pasture, that you must tread down with your feet the rest of your pasture; and to drink of clear water, that you must muddy the rest of the water with your feet? And must my sheep eat what you have trodden with your feet, and drink what you have muddied with your feet? (Ezekiel 34:18-19)

In the 1980s, prominent Anglican theologian John Stott (as well as being anti-Israel) was an advocate of annihilationism, but his position was problematic for many traditional Christians and in many people’s eyes he lost credibility. Stott was a very highly esteemed pastor and teacher in traditional Christian circles, but this is where we have to be "alert" as the Bible says…… Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour (1 Peter 5:8). Whatever does not agree with the Bible, no matter who is saying it, whether highly esteemed, charismatic and having the appearance of spirituality, intellect, wisdom, academia, superiority and reputation– it all means nothing –it is vanity. To dare to contradict the Word of God is a very serious matter. Eternal hell is an inconceivable proposition, but we cannot contradict the horrific view that eternal torment is unequivocal in the Bible. We may have struggles, questions and fears because eternal torment goes against our own natural inclinations, but only a fool would dare to challenge the Word of God. The influence of people in authority like Stott is enormous; they are people whose worthless opinions influence the eternal destiny of others. People like this are a shame and a disgrace to the name of Christianity. He may have had some very good teaching, but to voice this opinion was to voice his very doubt of God Almighty and the plan of salvation. Would that people like him leave the Word of God alone rather than upset the faith of others. Let God be true and every man a liar. (Romans 3:4)

I have paraphrased some of Edward Fudge’s statements below from his presentation on YouTube. 6

Fudge: The traditional teaching about hell fails to meet the demands of higher learning in that it does not exemplify the open minded study of scripture. 
Response: On the contrary, the traditional teaching about hell cannot be disproved from scripture. Really this argument backfires on Fudge since so called “higher learning” does not prove him right. This is an appeal to intellectual pride and puts traditionalists in the category of being stupid and narrow minded – this is an old tactic of the enemy (2 Corinthians 11:5; 12:11).

Fudge: The Reformers did not finish the job regarding eschatology and hell – it is up to 'us' to carry forward with teaching of hell today. This doctrine is still open to adjustment. 
Response: The Reformers are not the ones we should be looking at, but the Bible itself and the apostles teaching which are not open to adjustment! A careful study of hell in context leaves the annihilationist position untenable.

Fudge: Why does it matter anyway ----it is not a salvation issue --- you are not going to hell or going to hell depending upon what you believe about hell; it is how you deal with the Lord Jesus Christ. This is not a fellowship issue; there should not be a division amongst Christian people because of this. It matters because we speak in God’s name; It matters because it impacts evangelism; it matters because there are many atheists because they can’t believe in the traditional Christian doctrine of hell commonly understood. It is an impediment to evangelism. Gods character is at stake - a terrible slander on God to say he will keep people alive forever torment people without end. It makes atheists out of those who cannot believe it. 
Response: Fudge’s words have the enemy’s fingerprints all over them:

Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” “You will not surely die.” (Genesis 3:1,4)

Did God actually say, "Hell is an eternal reality?” (Satan through the annihilationists)

If it doesn't matter, then exactly why is Fudge promoting annihilationism? This foolishness shows contempt for God’s wrath and justice. The teaching about hell is inextricably bound up with the Gospel – it most certainly is a salvation issue. Jesus Christ warned a great deal about hell in order for people to escape it – who are we to argue against His methods? If people are put off by the warnings about hell then that is not our business. This is not just a theological debate; anything that misrepresents God is an extremely serious matter with untold consequences. Fudge’s doctrine is more likely to make atheists than the doctrine of eternal torment: If unbelievers are convinced that they are simply annihilated after death, then they may reason that they might as well enjoy this life to the full while they can rather than make the costly decision of following Christ. As the Apostle Paul quoted: “Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die," (1 Corinthians 15:32 cf. Isaiah 22:13).

The teaching about hell is clearly meant as a deterrent against the fear of man and a warning, even for believers:

I tell you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the body, and after that have nothing more that they can do. But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him!” (Luke 12:4-5)

The Bible clearly says we should warn unbelievers of the judgement to come as a fearful prospect. Fudge’s teaching is diametrically opposite to the Bible:

No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.” (Luke 13:5)

..it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgement, (Hebrews 9:27)
For since the message declared by angels proved to be reliable, and every transgression or disobedience received a just retribution,how shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation? (Hebrews 2:3)

Jesus Christ said to the Pharisees: “Your sin remains” (John 9:41) This will be the case for those who have not accepted Christ in this world. God’s wrath is satisfied if we repent and accept that our sin has been paid for by Jesus Christ. For Christ also suffered once [for all] for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit…..(1 Peter 3:18) This phrase “once for all” is repeated several times by the apostles (Romans 6:10; 10:10 etc). If God’s wrath is not satisfied and remains on those who have not accepted Him – no remedy remains. The Bible does not give any assurance that there will be another opportunity to believe after death, in fact quite the reverse.

Does the punishment fit the crime? Many people, myself included, probably do not fully understand the full horror of what it means to reject Jesus Christ as the Saviour of the World, but the Bible is quite clear that outside Christ there is no life – only death.

Included in the company of today’s "wolves" are "nice" old men with plausible arguments who attempt to neutralise hell. Edward Fudge has gained some notoriety and rewards in this life from his annihilationist position. However it is doubtful that he will gain rewards eternally by putting obstacles in the way of the salvation of the wicked – in fact he and others might very well find themselves on the receiving end of what they so vehemently reject.

1 http://www.afterlife.co.nz/2012/new-to-conditional-immortality/edward-fudge-a-troubling-question/ 
2 http://christinprophecy.org/articles/the-nature-of-hell/ 
3 "The Nature of Hell: An Eternal Punishment or Eternal Torment?" 
4 DA Carson The Gagging of God (Zondervan, 1996, p 525) 
5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilationism  
6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHUPpmbTOV4