Posted on January 11, 2019 by Mike Rogers
Jesus and the Apostles ministries were restricted
The
book Harpazo by Jacob Prasch
In trying to
unravel and understand the teaching of Jacob Prasch in his book Harpazo, one
must read and re-read sections of his book. Most of which are extortionary in
contradictions, missteps, and double speak, while attempting to teach and
explain his coined term/doctrine “the reversal of Pentecost”. As he continually
moves the goal posts i.e. the timing of when the Holy Spirit/Restrainer takes
on the role of restrainer and loses His role of empowering the body of Christ;
along with no longer convicting the world of sin, righteousness and judgement.
Also, once the Holy Spirit stops restraining, according to Jacob,
the Holy Spirit becomes restricted in His role, function, and work that he had
been poured out onto the body of Christ on the Day of Pentecost, thereby the
body of Christ becomes powerless. Jacob also says this powerlessness and
inability to minister is the same thing that happened to Jesus did before His
crucifixion and the Apostles in the book of Acts chapter 5. This is important
to remember as we go through this. Jacob states that the Holy Spirit changes
His role, character and function from being outpoured onto the church (body of
Christ) on the Day of Pentecost (which most will agree is called the birth of
the church) so the question must be asked, how can one un-birth the church?
In addition to
the Holy Spirit taking on the role of restraining “evil” Jacob sights 2Th.2:7
which is in error because what the “restrainer” is holding back is not “evil”
but the revealing of who the antichrist is, so he is already off in his
identification of what the “Restrainer” actually does. Please read 2 Th. 2:6-8
2Th 2:6
And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be
taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And
then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the
spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
This will be
addressed in much more detail in another article but needed to be touched on
somewhat to give a better understanding of what he says concerning the Holy
Spirit no longer operating as he had since the outpouring on the Day of
Pentecost, leaving a powerless church, during the first half of the 70th week of Daniel; because according to Jacob, the
Holy Spirit has been restricted/reversed in His power, role and function once
He ceases to restrain and how that also played out with Christ being restricted
in His ministry and the Apostles in theirs. Of which he presents NO scripture
for or at least any that supports his claims.
Additionally, I
would like to add a short clip of Jacob speaking about the Holy Spirit as the
restrainer and how he says that Jesus’s description of the working of the Holy
Spirit was wrong.
6:15 mark: “The
Holy Spirit will not restrain,
he will not operate the way Jesus predicted he would in John’s gospel,
convicting the world of sin, righteousness and judgement.”
I’ve added this
clip where Jacob literally says that Jesus got it wrong or at best didn’t fully
understand the complete function and working of the Holy Spirit and or forgot
to mention that the Holy Spirit given to us from the Father would be limited
and restricted, leaving the body of Christ powerless during the first half of
the 70th week of Daniel.
This video titled “On The Mark: A Word To John MacArthur part 1” came out in
June of 2014 and his book “Harpazo” in September of 2014. What he is saying and
implying about Jesus here is very serious and no, he doesn’t get a pass at
misspeaking, he needs to be held accountable for it and give an explanation of
why he said it. In essence he is saying that Jesus got it wrong and he knows
the correct answer to how the Holy Spirit will function during the 70th week of Daniel. Note also that in his book Harpazo
he uses the very verse that he mentions in the video of Jesus getting it wrong
in John’s gospel; of the Holy Spirit convicting the world of sin, righteousness
and judgement. Now he takes the verse and twists it to mean the Holy Spirit is
“restraining” by convicting the world of sin, righteousness and judgement.
Again, which is it Jacob, is Jesus right or are you? It can’t be both ways.
Here on Page 128
Jacob says:
“We must note,
however, that in Acts 5, a point was reached where the Apostles could no longer
preach prior to the arrest and rescue. The same will happen to the Church once
the Restrainer (2Th. 2:6-7) no longer restrains and we are given over wholesale
to persecution.
What happened to the Apostles at this point, replays what happened to
Jesus in Gethsemane. (Mt. 26:36-56; Mk. 14:32-52; Lk. 22:39-53. Up to a certain
point, although opposed, He was still able to continue in His ministry. But a
time came when this was no longer to be the case. That time will once again
come for the Church, and as with Jesus, there will be a betrayal from within
our own ranks.”
Now the first
thing I did when I read this, was, I noticed that he references Acts chapter 5
but does not reference any verse in particular, so perhaps the entire chapter
speaks on how the Apostles ministry was restricted to the point to where “the
Apostles could no longer preach”.
We will break
this into two parts because of the seriousness of what is being said here in
reference to Christ and His ministry. First concerning the Apostles; nowhere in
chapter 5 of Acts does it say that the Apostles could no longer preach, in
fact, if you look at verses 12-16 the opposite is true:
“And through the hands of the apostles many signs
and wonders were done among the people. And they were all with one accord
in Solomon’s Porch. Yet none of the rest dared join them, but the people
esteemed them highly. And believers were increasingly added to the Lord,
multitudes of both men and women, so that they brought the sick out into the
streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter
passing by might fall on some of them. Also, a multitude gathered from
the surrounding cities to Jerusalem, bringing the sick people and those who
were tormented by unclean spirits, and they were all headed.”
The last two
verses of Act 5 states:
“Act 5:41 And they departed from the presence
of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for
his name.
Act
5:42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to
teach and preach Jesus Christ.”
Both before
their imprisonment and after we see there is no restriction whatsoever, but the
opposite, believers were increasingly added to the Lord and in the temple, and
in every house, they did not cease teaching and preaching Jesus as Christ (vs.
14,42). Not only that but an angel broke them out of prison (Acts 5:19)!
Yes, the church will be persecuted but that doesn’t restrict the Holy Spirit
nor does the Holy Spirit just reside within the believer and not continue to
fulfill all that Jesus said concerning the functions of Holy Spirit.
I encourage
everyone who reads this to please read Acts chapter 5, it’s not that long.
Now the second
part pertaining to Christ and His ministry:
What
happened to the Apostles at this point replays what happened to Jesus in
Gethsemane. (Mt. 26:36-56; Mk. 14:32-52; Lk. 22:39-53. Up to a certain
point, although opposed, He was still able to continue in His ministry. But a
time came when this was no longer to be the case. That time will once again
come for the Church, and as with Jesus, there will be a betrayal from within
our own ranks.” – Prasch (pg128)
While one can
run a comparison with the Apostles being imprisoned and beaten and Christ being
persecuted. What is most important in this paragraph is what he says concerning
Christ’s ministry:
“Up
to a certain point, although opposed, He was still able to continue in His
ministry. But a time came when this was no longer to be the case. That time will once again come for the Church,
and as with Jesus, there will be a betrayal from within our own ranks.”
Jacob references
scripture supposedly showing where Jesus’s ministry was hindered to the point
he could no longer minister. Mt. 26, Mk. 14 or Lk. 22 Christ was
fulfilling prophesy AND HIS MINISTRY, and in Lk. 22:43 it says that Jesus was
even strengthened by an angel.
Luk 22:43
And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
He says that
Christ couldn’t continue His ministry because he was opposed. Really? The Cross
was His ministry!! Where was Christ powerless?
Mat 26:53
Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give
me more than twelve legions of angels?
Mat 26:54
But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?
Mat 26:55
In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes, Are ye come out as against a
thief with swords and staves for to take me? I sat daily with you teaching in
the temple, and ye laid no hold on me.
Mat 26:56
But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.
Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.
Mar 14:49
I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and ye took me not: but the
scriptures must be fulfilled.
Luk
22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the
right hand of the power of God.
Also see: John
10:17-18 Jesus didn’t just die; he died with power and authority. His life
wasn’t taken from him; he laid it down willingly to die for our sins.
Joh 10:17
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take
it again.
Joh 10:18
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it
down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my
Father.
Heb 12:2
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who
for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and
is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
The question is,
why would Jacob diminish the work and power of not only the Holy Spirit and the
Apostles but Jesus Christ Himself? It’s impossible to wrap one’s mind around.
According to Jacob what believers have to look forward to during the 70th week of Daniel, before the rapture is a diminished
spiritual life that holds no power or at best very restricted power since the
Holy Spirit only resides within the hearts of the believer as He did in the Old
Testament; all the while the believers will be enduring a level of persecution
that has never been before on the earth.
What does that do to the Cross? It null and voids Christ’s ministry completely.
What does it say about the blood of Christ shed for us if the Holy Spirit
reverts to dealing with believers as in the Old Testament?
Page 42
“There was a gap when Jesus was raptured and sent
the Holy Spirit, there will likewise be a gap when the Holy Spirit operates
again in an Old Testament character and, as it were, this causes the Father to
send back Jesus to harpazo His people. It was during this period, between the
haprazo of Jesus and the Ascension and the coming of the Holy Spirit that the
Apostles were caught in a limbo-like vacuum where the Church did not per se
exist and the Holy Spirit had not as yet been outpoured, but Christ had left.” – Prasch
Page 475
The Holy Spirit
will dwell in the hearts of faithful believers as individuals only as He did in
the time between John 20-22 and the Day of Pentecost. The Holy Spirit will no
longer be uniting or empowering the church.
Joh 20:22
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto
them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
However I would
like to add John 20-23
“John
20:23 Whose so ever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose so ever sins ye retain, they
are retained.”
So, as we try to
understand correctly, Jacob’s “reversal of Pentecost” we find believers will be
trapped in this gap period between Christ’s ascension and the sending the Holy
Spirit, it is only logical to conclude that Christ will have to return in
order for the Holy Spirit to stop operating at full capacity, as He has been
since His outpouring on the Day of Pentecost. Christ’s ascension was also part
and parcel of fulfilling His ministry and fulfilling prophecy. They Holy Spirit
has already been poured out on the Day of Pentecost, for Him to return to
dealing with man as in the Old Testament and or “the gap” period Christ has to
return/ descend from the Fathers right hand. The church did exist, Prasch
himself says this in another video.
Joh
16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is
expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not
come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate to be with
you forever—
John 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will
teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.
Eph 1:19 And
what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward
who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Eph 1:20 Which
he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him
at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Eph 1:21
Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name
that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
Eph 1:22
And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things
to the church,
Heb 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and
upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged
our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 10:12
But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on
the right hand of God;
It is troubling
to conceive the eschatological events as Jacob Prasch perceives them.
§ His arguments are faulty as he moves the goal post
on timing issues concerning the restrainer.
§ He provides no biblical proof that the Holy Spirit
is the restrainer outside of John 16:8.
His
presuppositions that the “convicting” of the Holy Spirit is synonymous with
“restraining” is completely inconclusive providing a weak argument as the two
are not the same.
§ He diminishes the final work of Christ on the Cross
and his provision to the Church in giving the Holy Spirit as a continued
companion and power in the believer’s life. (See also Mark 13:10-11; Luke
21:12-15) as both show the believer empowered to witness during the Great
Tribulation period.
§ He diminishes the work and power of the Holy Spirit
during the 70th week of Daniel
with no biblical evidence whatsoever. In fact, Acts 2:14-21 demonstrates that
the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and empowering of the Body of Christ to
witness will continue up to the sign given by Joel which ends the Great
Tribulation with the return of Christ to rapture the church and initiate the
Day of the Lord. – Joel 2:28-31 (cf. Matt. 24:29)
§ His reversal of Pentecost is unsubstantiated and
cannot be exegetically demonstrated. Again, another presupposition on Jacob’s
part.
§ He spiritualizes Scripture (which he calls midrash
interpretation) to fit is subjective theory of the reversal of Pentecost and
the role of the Holy Spirit during the 70th week of Daniel.
https://closingstages.net/2019/01/11/the-holy-spirit-will-not-operate-the-way-jesus-predicted-he-would-in-johns-gospel-jacob-prasch-part-1/
What does that do to the Cross? It null and voids Christ’s ministry completely. What does it say about the blood of Christ shed for us if the Holy Spirit reverts to dealing with believers as in the Old Testament?
And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate to be with you forever—
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.
https://closingstages.net/2019/01/11/the-holy-spirit-will-not-operate-the-way-jesus-predicted-he-would-in-johns-gospel-jacob-prasch-part-1/
I wouldn't have believed he said that, if I hadn't heard it it with my own ears.
ReplyDeleteIs this not tantamount to calling the Lord a liar? How does this statement compare with Nathan's blunders?
Precisely Colin!
ReplyDeleteThe problem is that no matter what anyone proves about Prasch, I believe that Bill Randles, John Haller and Amos Farrell will do absolutely nothing.
As I have said before.. What is the deal?
God bless.
Shocking statements made here.
ReplyDeleteHard to grasp that a true Christian could utter them. Right up there with 'Ye shall not surely die'.
I have not read Prasch's book 'Harpazo' Mike.. I didn't want to waste my money! Pat and Mike have kindly sent me some excerpts from it. Prasch's demonic teaching undermines the ministry of the Holy Spirit and of Jesus Christ Himself!
ReplyDeleteGod bless.
Treena,
ReplyDeleteIn not so many words, is not Prasch saying; "Don't listen to Jesus, for he didn't really have the full grasp of prophecy as I now do?
As you well know, Prasch is not a cessationist;for he believes that there ARE people (wannabe 'prophets') about today, such as David Noakes that actually DO speak in the first Person; i.e, that they are literally God's mouthpiece! does not their ecumenism betray their words?
I can now see (though many have yet to receive such revelation, if indeed they ever will?) the SOLID IRON safeguards that cessationism provides in these last days. For if Prasch believes (and he certainly does!) that there are still 'prophets' speaking in the first Person, then it may be that he WILL take notice of them, and promote their false visions as indeed he HAS so done?
As for Randles, Haller, Farrell and their acolytes, I can only believe, (unless God grants them the "eyesalve that thou mayest see." Rev,3:18) that they are so infatuated with Prasch that they will be led of such an one to the effect that they will all "fall into the ditch" with him; Matthew 15:14?
I find it difficult, nay, impossible to believe, that any Christian of long standing can support this man in any shape, form or fashion.
Regarding his book "Harpazo", no, I too, will NEVER read it! His book "Shadows Of The Beast" finished him off for me!
I also believe you have more chance of a flying pink elephant landing in your drive tonight than Randles looking into Prasch's woeful intra-seal bunkum any time soon
God bless.
Hopefully the scandal over David Nathan has opened many people's eyes to what exactly Prasch is Colin. We (Pat, Mike and I) could not have provided more evidence of his false teachings and his character I think - though part two is shortly expected from Pat and Mike. I am thoroughly Prashed out - for the moment at least. Faced with the evidence it is difficult to imagine anyone supporting Prasch, and if they do they are wilfully ignorant. (Randles).
ReplyDeleteI am not expecting the flying pink elephant any time soon.
God bless.
As s person that has followed and used many of their teachings and articles. Jacob, Nathan, Bill, John
ReplyDeleteI wish this back and forth would all cease until the face to face meeting(?) is set up between as many characters as necessary until it all goes away. I don't know how many feel as I do but all this he said-she said -they said- this video-that video-this email-that email-this blog-that blog is getting old! The old saying” When you're pointing a finger at someone there are three fingers pointing back at you. As Christians, we can all read Scriptures and ask the Holy Spirit for discernment. Ms.Gisborn I am a new reader of your blog and I know the purpose of a blog is to interact with others that you hope will agree with your comments and assertions. I agree that Jacob can be brash and I don't always agree with everything he says or writes. I've tried to follow along with your rebuke of some of his teachings. I haven't had a chance to read everything you've ever posted, or written but possibly I won't agree with you on everything? I've purchased your book and I don't say you didn't make a valid point, but as with Jacob; you two can sight Scripture after Scripture but what I believe is between me and the Holy Spirit.
I have followed David for a few years now and his Eschatology 2017 is (in my opinion) one of the best, if not the best study to date. That doesn't take away from some of the things he has said about God and creation, the blood of Jesus or his slaying in the Spirit (Benny Hinn style). Some say he has corrected himself and that's one of the reasons I'd like to see the “meeting” take place so the air can be cleared, if possible, and we can get past all of this.
I've also listened to Bill in the past and I enjoy his sermons and studies. I too wish he had stayed away for all this backbiting but now he must live with it. As for his wife's comments, she's may just love her husband and feels she must stand up for him?
John Haller - Every Monday I make a point of watching his Prophecy Updates as there always up to date and informative. Bill and John must make up their own mind as it relates to Jacob and his teachings. If it was necessary to agree with everything the people with whom you associate, then we'd all be alone in this world. If a person had to answer for everything posted on the internet they wouldn't have time for anything else. If you have a problem with someone's teachings, then do as you do, reach as many people as you can, but don't expect them to agree with you all the time.
Here's a blog “Let's Get It Right” I think you might enjoy? The following is just a few of his articles.
https://pbenson.me/2018/12/04/when-proof-goes-poof-answering-16-proofs-of-a-pre-trib-rapture/
https://pbenson.me/2017/02/07/a-deceiving-distraction-the-restrainer/
https://pbenson.me/?s=matt+24
https://pbenson.me/2018/04/17/the-ostrich-theory-uncovering-the-errors-of-dispensationalism-part-i/
Chas-a-roo.. you left your comment on my post "Mark Of The Beast" in error.. I have therefore transferred it to this post.
ReplyDeleteI do not expect everyone to agree with me, that is your presumption. However, Christians are expected to "test the spirits". If we are to be Bereans, the scriptures are the ultimate test, not anything that I or anyone else might say. You are right - Bill Randles and John Haller must make up their own minds about Prasch. However my objection is that Bill Randles will not answer reasonable questions about how precisely David Nathan should word a retraction to their satisfaction and put things right. Furthermore, to date Bill Randles has not been willing to test Prasch's intra-seal theory. As such it seems to me that something is very wrong? As for Kristin Randles.. self control might be advised - what she said to me was completely ridiculous!
I notice that Prasch now calls Anton Bosch a heretic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSmBFSX1nMs
I know nothing about Anton Bosch's theology and so I cannot comment on this video in that respect. However I do take issue with Prasch's assertion that Deborah, the OT Judge, was under the authority of Barak. Not so.. Deborah summoned Barak and gave him instructions from the Lord. Barak was too cowardly to go without her.. “If you will go with me, I will go, but if you will not go with me, I will not go.” Read Judges 4:4-10. Prasch conveniently overlooks the exceptions when he teaches about women!
Watch Jacob Prasch's "Scorched Earth" Policy and Trumpeted Greek Ability Questioned by James White on Vimeo:
https://vimeo.com/311012257
God bless
Hi Treena, just watched Prasch's video on Anton Bosch.
ReplyDeleteHe starts off by saying he wants to keep it doctrinal and not personal. He begins speaking of the positives of Anton's ministry before the subtle digs and attacks start. I said to my wife about 55 mins into the video, "at least he hasn't called Anton a crackpot yet!" Well about the 1hour to 1.05 mark Anton joins the catalogue of crackpots! Also we are made aware that Anton is mentally deficient!
I wonder what Bill thinks about Jacobs comments on his good friend Anton Bosch?
ANTON BOSCH'S RESPONSE TO PRASCH ON FACEBOOK:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.facebook.com/anton.bosch.127
"What I Actually Believe
In the light of a recent video that falsely attacks what I believe and accuses me of heresy, it is necessary for me to clear up what I actually believe on three points:
Successionism and Impartation
I have been very clear in my teaching over the years that I reject both those ideas. I do not believe that gifts, ministries or offices can be passed from one person (or generation) to another. As early as 2007 in my book Building Blocks of the Church I devoted a page and a half (pp143,144) to a rebuttal of the idea of (apostolic) succession. I said, inter alia: “...a personal gift cannot be bequeathed.” As recently as December 2016 in my audio recordings dealing with 2Timothy 1:6, I deal with, and oppose, the idea of impartation (38 minute mark). Any statement that I believe that a gift or office or ministry can be passed from one person to another is not the truth. Gifts, anointings, ministries, and offices cannot be passed from one to another through the laying on of hands or any other method. The church can only recognize gifts that God has given (1Corinthians 12:11). The body of truth, on the other hand, is passed from one generation to the next through the process of making disciples: “And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.” (2Timothy 2:2)
Women Teaching Men
Again, this is a concept I have consistently taught against for the past 48 years. I am often asked about the role of women in the church and my standard reply is that "women can do anything but they cannot teach or usurp authority over men". The Scriptures are plain: “And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.” (1Timothy 2:12). I have not deviated from this position for 48 years and my teachings are replete with statements to this effect.
Eternally Begotten
I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is eternal (co-eternal with the Father and the Holy Spirit). He is without beginning and end. “Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” (John 8:58) I reject the idea that Jesus was “begotten”, was “generated” or “came forth” in eternity past since it diminishes the fact of his eternality and therefore His deity and is born out of Arianism.
I have not deviated from these teachings and have believed and taught them consistently for almost five decades now and am happy to provide further supporting evidence for any of the above."
https://vimeo.com/313843746?activityReferer=1
ReplyDeleteThis states it all
The Holy Spirit will not restrain, he will not operate the way Jesus predicted he would in John’s gospel, convicting the world of sin, righteousness and judgement. That says it all. Prasch knows more about the Spirit’s role and function than Jesus does. What utter rot!
ReplyDeleteIt’s a really good article. It demolishes Prasch’s strange theories in my opinion. He’s a twister, a false teacher and should be avoided. People are scared of him and his vile tongue and no wonder the way he goes after people and gets others to chime in. School yard bully tactics!
Prasch has gained a lot of influence in certain circles Monopode. It has been done piecemeal. He has gained the confidence of some due to his previous stand against apostates, and also his supposed scriptural knowledge has impressed some. I think that he does have knowledge, but that he twists the scriptures. In other words, his deception is deliberate. It appears that it is not easy to disentangle oneself from Prasch, as David Nathan found out to his cost when he announced his decision to leave Moriel! Bill Randles and others should take care that they do not become ensnared in Prasch's wickedness.
ReplyDelete"The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe."
Proverbs 29:25.