Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.You will recognize them by their fruits (Matthew 7/15-16)
Like many of his contemporaries, David James incorrectly describes the tribulation as a seven year period. The "Great Tribulation",
as Jesus Christ referred to it, will last 3.5 years, and not seven years
(Matthew 24:21; Revelation 2:22; 7:14). The prophetic clock begins when
the Antichrist "makes a covenant with the many" (Daniel 9:27), but this does notindicate start of the Great Tribulation.
It
is obvious that David James has no knowledge whatsoever about the seven seals of Revelation,
the pre-wrath view of the rapture, or much else for that matter. Incidentally, his advice for "discernment" is to "trust your instincts". (Jeremiah 17:5-9)!
Towards the end of the above inappropriately named Livestream broadcast at approximately 01:30, David James is asked a question: "Can you briefly explain what pre-wrath is.....?"
David James response was nothing short of staggering:
David James: "The pre-wrath view is a modified mid-tribulational rapture view......prior to (I think it's the sixth seal or in connection with the sixth seal), at any rate, prior to the Great Tribulation, Jacob's Trouble, the church will be raptured and that the church will go through the first seal judgements including the first four horsemen judgements, and what they say is that these are the wrath of man and the wrath of Satan and we are only said to be preserved from the wrath of God which doesn't start until the mid point or prior to the wrath, which could be after the revelation of the Antichrist. It is kind of a post/mid rapture view..... One problem with that is throughout history God has used human agency, even angelic agency, to accomplish his purposes, but it is still no less the wrath of God, no matter if he uses human agency, and in connection with that, we see that the judgements begin when WHO breaks the seal? Jesus breaks the seal, that means it is the wrath of God no matter whether he uses human agency or not. Of course his means are nature later, early on they are the Antichrist and the armies of the world.
When does David James think that the sixth seal is opened? Does David James imagine that the cataclysmic events described in Revelation 6:12-17 occur prior to the Great Tribulation?
THE PRE-WRATH VIEW IS NOT A MODIFIED MID-TRIBULATIONAL VIEW!
The pre-wrath view does not maintain that the rapture occurs prior to the Great Tribulation.
The difference between the mid and pre-wrath views:
The mid-tribulation view puts the rapture at the mid point of Daniel's 70th week, prior to the Great Tribulation, approximately 3.5 years into the 70th week.
The pre-wrath view puts the rapture after the sixth seal, not before, towards the latter half of Daniel’s 70th week, prior to the Day of the Lord(Revelation6:12-17; Joel 2:28-32). Isaiah indicates this "day" is a literal year (Isaiah 34:8, 61:2, 63:4).
WRATH OR TRIBULATION?
The Book of Revelation describes the Day of the Lord as the apocalyptic time of God's wrath which comes upon the wicked, it is even referred to as"the day of their great wrath"(Revelation 6:17; Zephaniah 1:14-18; Isaiah 13:6-13; Joel 2:30-31; Acts 2:20). Following the opening of the sixth seal, the scriptures plainly statethat the wrath of God has come (Revelation 6:12-17).If the wrath has only just arrived, it cannot have been there previously, you have to directly contradict the scriptures to come to another conclusion!The arrival of the wrath at the sixth seal is an imminent future event; the wrath is poured out during the seventh seal i.e. the trumpet and the bowl judgements. Matthew 24:29 puts the cosmic disturbances described in Revelation 6:12-14 immediately after the tribulation of those days.In other words, the events preceding the sixth seal are not the wrath of God, they are the tribulation. As is their usual practice, the pre-tribulationists have to resort to
eisegesis; they read into the scriptures things which suit their own
presuppositions and agendas (Revelation 22:18-19).
The Day of the Lord is indisputably linked with the rapture i.e. those "caught up" together with Jesus in the clouds.(1 Thessalonians 1:10; 5:9; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2).
DERELICTION OF DUTY
It seems to me that McMahon,Wilkinson et al have a vested interest in promoting
the pre-tribulation delusion. If this is correct, they do so at the expense of the flock. It is a hireling, not a shepherd, who puts his
own interests above that of the flock 1 Peter 5:2; John 10:13).
Paul Wilkinson labels as "heretics" those who reject the
pre-tribulation rapture delusion. He has not acted in a gentlemanly way, but has hurled all sorts of false accusations and abuse against
Joe
Schimmel, Jacob Prasch and Joel Richardson. Blame shifting seems to be another problem for Wilkinson, who lays the blame for Colin Le Noury's incompetence entirely at Joe Schimmel's door - apparently because he "tricked and deceived" Le Noury (General Director PWMI) into admitting that "there is
not one verse to support a pre-tribulation rapture". I wonder who Wilkinson will blame for the blunders of David James? May the Lord save his bride
from dishonourable men such as these (James 3:1).
Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction..... (2 Thessalonians 2:3)
Are we witnessing a replay of the schism between John Nelson Darby and Benjamin Wills Newton of the Plymouth Brethren in the 19th century? The recent remarks made at the Berean Call Conference by Paul Wilkinson bear an uncanny resemblance to Darby's treatment of, and vitriol towards, anyone who dared to hold a different view to himself.
John Nelson Darby (who did not believe in adult baptism) claimed to be the source of dispensational hermeneutics and the pre-tribulation delusion. Wilkinson credits Darby with "restoring this precious truth" and has obviously swallowed Darby's false claim to have discovered "new truth" or "rediscovered truth" that had been lost since the apostles (2 Timothy 3:13). Claims of direct extra-biblical revelation are of course the trade mark of many false prophets. Nevertheless, Wilkinson expects his hearers to buy into Darby's pre-tribulation delusion in spite of its obvious defects.
The dispute between Darby and Newton became intensely personal on a number of levels. Newton interpreted 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and 2 Thessalonians 2:1 as proof of a post tribulation, non-secret rapture. He viewed Darby's
dispensational and pre-tribulation rapture teaching as "the height of
speculative nonsense". The various disputes between the two men resulted in Darby accusing Newton of deception and
dishonesty.These charges were investigated by the elders at Ebrington Street and were dismissed. Actually, Newton's theology was very sound, especially in comparison with Darby's unscriptural rantings. This dispute was not about straightforward non-essential theological differences at all, it was underpinned by a dark spiritual battle between darkness and light. I say this because of Darby's intense hatred, character assassination and outright rejection of anyone who disagreed with him, which was anything BUT Christian. Does this sound familiar?
Brethren leaders George Müller, Anthony Groves and Benjamin Newton suffered intensely at the hands of Darby, who would broker no opposition to his sectarian views. Darby would not even tolerate anyone who wished to remain neutral. Darby's response to ANY opposition was to simply annihilate it. Those who disagreed with him were excommunicated. Why? - Because according to Darby, the Lord had personally revealed dispensational hermeneutics to him directly. In his own eyes this made him "right"and gave him liberty to butcher the body of Christ.It is difficult to argue against against a man with such obvious forcefulness, intelligence and powers of intimidation.
Charles Spurgeon: "Mr. Darby is, to all intents and purposes a thorough Pope, though under a Protestant name. He will never admit that he is in error; and therefore very naturally declines to argue with those who controvert the soundness of his views. How, indeed, could it be otherwise? If Mr. Darby holds, which he does, with a firm grasp, the principle that whatever conclusions he and those acting in conjunction with him may come to, express beyond all question the mind of the Spirit; and if those Darbyites who gather together in London, can go so far as to exclude all other denominations, even the most godly among them, 'believing themselves to be the one or only, assembly of God in London,' how need we feel surprised that Mr. Darby, as the 'prophet, priest, and king' of the party, should exercise a perfect despotism within the domains of Darbyism?. . ." http://spurgeon.org/s_and_t/dbreth.htm
George Müller:
"Scripture declares plainly that the Lord Jesus will not come until the
Apostasy shall have taken place, and the man of sin shall have been
revealed..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_M%C3%BCller
Anthony Groves: "He (Groves) became increasingly concerned with the drift of the Plymouth Brethren towards sectarianism under the leadership of Darby and aligned himself with George Müller when the brethren split in 1848 to form the Open Brethren and Exclusive Brethren." http://self.gutenberg.org/article/WHEBN0005787956/Anthony%20Norris%20Groves
Was the same divisive spirit insidiously operating at The Berean Call Conference this year? Paul Wilkinson's attempt to discredit and undermine the ministries of Joe Schimmel, Jacob Prasch and Joel Richardson in the name of "love and truth" is quite despicable, and having looked into the history, the comparison is hard to miss!
Paul Wilkinson (looking suitably humble):
"This DVD is damaging, it's
destructive, it's dangerous, and it is thoroughly dishonest, and it is
one of the most abominable Christian DVD's I have ever sat through.
.....it is full of false accusations, unsubstantiated myths and lies."
"These men sadly are not doing what every pastor and every teacher is called ultimately to do if he is faithful to the word of God...."
"You will not hear these men talk about their love for Jesus; you will not see the tears fall down their cheeks; they will speak of the coming of the Lord very academically and very intellectually, but where is the heart, where is the love, where is the longing? It is not there. One of the reasons it is not there is that they are not pastors, they have not been called to take care of the flock, they have not been called to help prepare the bride for the bridegroom. "The integrity of that man! .....it (LBOLA) is thoroughly dishonest on all kinds of levels."
Apart from the above direct quotes, Wilkinson went into considerable detail, claiming: Joe Schimmel "tricked and deceived"Colin Le Noury (PWMI) into admitting that there is not one verse of scripture to prove a pre-tribulation theory. Realising Colin Le Noury's embarrassing blunder, their presumptuous attempt to force Joe Schimmel by dictatorial edict to omit Le Noury's quote from the LBOLA DVD failed! http://livestream.com/bereancallconference/israel2
We see a quite a different spirit operating in Joe Schimmel and Jacob Prasch: Joe Schimmel: "This
isn't something we should divide fellowship over as Christians, because
we recognise that this is an in-house debate. There are wonderful,
beautiful, good Christians on both sides of the issue in this debate." LBOLA
When they do refute the pre-tibulation delusion, Joe Schimmel and Jacob Prasch do not attempt to assassinate the ministries and reputations of those who genuinely hold this view.
Wilkinson, McMahon et'al should think long and hard about the consequences of attempting to destroy reputations and ministries over what is in fact based on nothing more than the unsanctified opinion of megalomaniac John Nelson Darby. Someone has commented that they should apologise and retract their remarks, but I see no sign of this happening any time soon.
If this is correct, then I do wonder whether God has given these men over
to the pre-tribulation delusion, and in light of their conduct, I also wonder whether there is a hidden agenda here (2 Thessalonians
2:11).
But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For
the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the
Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to
keep you from doing the things you want to do. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy,
drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you
before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of
God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. (Galatians 5:16-25)
Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge? (Job 38:2)
The recent vitriol Paul Wilkinson displayed at the Berean Call Conference against the filmLeft Behind or Led Astray by Good Fight Ministries is an appalling attempt to discredit three dear brothers in Christ who reject the pre-tribulation rapture theory and who variously hold to a post-tribulation or intra-seal (pre-wrath) position! http://livestream.com/bereancallconference/israel2
The Berean Call Conference did not live up to its name - in reality they are anything but Bereans (Acts 17:11). Instead of providing us with a reasoned argument supported by the scriptures, Paul Wilkinson tore into Joe Schimmel, Jacob Prasch and Joel Richardson like a savage wolf. I have rarely witnessed such an arrogant and abusive outburst against respected Bible expositors, infinitely better qualified to minister to the body of Christ than himself, men who rightly divide the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15).
Paul Wilkinson: "This DVD is damaging, it's
destructive, it's dangerous, and it is thoroughly dishonest, and it is
one of the most abominable Christian DVD's I have ever sat through.
.....it is full of false accusations, unsubstantiated myths and lies."
Paul Wilkinson: "The origin of the pre-tribulation rapture..... is found right here in the word of God" (waving his Bible in the air), though he did not care to specify where exactly!
The Bible teaches us to gently warn our opponents (assuming of course that we are right - 2 Timothy 2:25; see also 1 Timothy 5:1-2). It is a pity that Wilkinson could not extend the same grace that Joe Schimmel and Jacob Prasch extend to their brothers in Christ who hold a pre-tribulation rapture view. Certainly Jacob Prasch has always maintained that the timing of the rapture should not be a divisive issue. His previous respect towards, and friendship with those holding a pre-tribulation view, such as Dave Hunt, bears witness to this. Joel Richardson also came under fire from Wilkinson for daring to express his view without being "a pastor of the flock of Jesus Christ." Wilkinson is outraged thatJoel Richardson "would DARE........ to say that pastors are leading the flock astray." Joel Richardson is an expert on biblical prophecy, an evangelist and a respected author and speaker; just because he is not "a pastor" does not disqualify him from having a view on the matter as Wilkinson infers! Are we back in the Dark Ages? MY QUESTION:How DARE WilkinsonprecludeANYONE, let alone a man of Joel Richardson's calibre, from speaking out and expressing his/her concerns about this critical debate of our time? Wilkinson seems to put greater emphasis on the position of "pastor" (a superior being whom we should bow down and do blind obeisance to apparently) and worldly qualifications that glorify men more than the word of God (Galatians
6:3; 1 Peter 5:3). He has insidiously voiced his own toxic opinion on this matter thereby predisposing his hearers into accepting it without providing any evidence to support it from the scriptures. In the process he has maliciously attempted to harm the good reputation and character of godly men, global experts in their field, who are spiritually and academically head and shoulders above himself. Apparently Wilkinson's "thorough rebuttal" will follow - but this is not the right way of doing things! There is clearly something very wrong here.
Instead of referring to the scriptures, Wilkinson made much of the supposed misinformation put out by Joe Schimmel in this DVD. Wilkinson insisted that Benjamin Wills Newton was NOT present with John Nelson Darby at Margaret McDonald's so called "revelations" in Glasgow.For someone who constantly brags about his own integrity, Wilkinson has blatantly contradicted his own research, as demonstrated below!!!!
"John Nelson Darby and Benjamin Wills Newton, whom the Brethren sent on their behalf to investigate, came to the conclusion that these displays were demonic." Wilkinson, Paul Richard (2007). For Zion's Sake: Christian Zionism and the Role of John Nelson Darby. Paternoster. p. 192–93. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Macdonald_%28Prophecy%29
The connection that Joe Schimmel makes between Margaret McDonald and John Nelson Darby is that she uttered revelations about the rapture prior to the Second Coming, which apparently was a novel idea at that time. What Wilkinson fails to point out is that there are different editions of McDonald's utterance. Apparently the earlier version has at least nineteen instances where the account adds a significant amount of words not found in the more condensed later edition. The link below does in fact show that McDonald's utterance bears some relevance to the pre-tribulation theory, and in this sense she IS part of the history. If there were any doubts about Joe Schimmel's meaning, surely most self respecting Christians would have had the grace to ask him for clarification before accusing him of
dishonesty and vilifying him publicly! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_MacDonald_%28visionary%29
Joe Schimmel: "Darby spent several days listening to Margaret McDonald's prophetic utterances about a secret second coming of Christ, which he and Newton came to believe were demonic in origin.However not long afterwards, DARBY HIMSELF WOULD FORMULATE HIS OWN NOVEL VIEWS ABOUT A SECRET COMING OF CHRIST."
"For years the subject of prophecy had occupied much of his (Edward Irving's) thoughts, and his belief in the near approach of the second advent had received such wonderful corroboration by the perusal of the work of a Jesuit priest, Manuel Lacunza, writing under the assumed Jewish name of Juan Josafat Ben-Ezra, that in 1827 he published a translation of it....." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Irving
We should be very careful about callinganyone "A LIAR" (James 4:11). There are
some very serious anomalies associated with Wilkinson's attack against Joe Schimmel, and I think we should question the motivation behind his vicious outburst!!!
"Paul Wilkinson is the Associate Minister at Hazel Grove Full Gospel Church in
Stockport, England. He was converted to Christ in February 1990 whilst
studying Mathematics and Statistics at the University of York. He has a
BSc in Mathematics and Statistics, a BA and MA in Theology, and a PhD in
Religions and Theology. He has also studied at the International
School of Holocaust Studies at Yad Vashem in Jerusalem. In 2007 his PhD
thesis was published by Paternoster Press entitled, For Zion’s Sake:
Christian Zionism and the Role of John Nelson Darby.
Paul Wilkinson is a member of the Council of Prophetic Witness Movement
International in the UK, and a member of the Pre-Trib Research Center in
Lynchburg, Virginia." http://www.bereanwatchmen.com/index.php/guest-articles/paul-wilkinson
Now that we have got that out of the way and are suitably impressed, let us get on to the subject in hand i.e. the pre-tribulation rapture theory which does not have one shred of evidence in the scriptures! Inconceivably, Wilkinson credits Darby with "restoring this precious truth" .....where did Darby restore it from exactly? Wilkinson cannot argue against the fact that the pre-tribulation rapture was unheard of prior to 1830. To insist upon a theory that no-one in the Christian world recognized until it was invented by Darby?* in the 1830's is to compromise ones spiritual and academic integrity. Wilkinson accuses Joe Schimmel and his guests of propagating "myths", yet ironically there is no greater myth than the secret rapture theory!
Wilkinson must be completely delusional if he really thinks that he
can refute the following statements JUST BECAUSE HE SAYS SO, WITHOUT ONCE REFERRING TO THE SCRIPTURES!His behavior is just like that of his despotic hero John Nelson Darby!
A pre-trib rapture cannot be proven from the Bible. Wilkinson: "YES IT CAN!."
Pre-trib pastors are failing in their role as pastors. Wilkinson: "NO THEY ARE NOT!"
It's history is sordid and scandalous. Wilkinson: "NO IT IS NOT!"
Its origins are occultic and demonic. Wilkinson: "NO THEY ARE NOT!"
The "theory" can be traced in some form to the Jesuits. Wilkinson: "NO IT CANNOT!"
If we consider that the pre-tribulation theory puts Christians in danger of falling away and losing their salvation, then the statement: "Pre-tribulation pastors are failing in their role as pastors" is perfectly reasonable.Those leaders promoting this theory should be warned about teaching as doctrines the precepts of men, a practice which Jesus Christ condemned (Matthew 15:9).
"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book....." (Revelation 22:18 see also Deuteronomy 4:2). Error breeds error, and of course the pre-tribulation theory stands in tandem with the error of imminency which is another derived doctrine not explicitly stated in the scriptures (2 Timothy 2:15; Galatians 5:9).
The main verses that support a post tribulation/pre-wrath rapture are:
Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION
of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its
light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the
heavens will be shaken.Then
will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the
tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming
on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.And
he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will
gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the
other. The Lesson of the Fig Tree “From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near.So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates.(Matthew 24:29-33, 36, emphasis added).
For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command,
with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of
God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with
them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be
with the Lord.(1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)
The dead in Christ rise FIRST on the LAST DAY preceding the rapture:
"This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at THE LAST DAY." (John 6:39, emphasis added)
"And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at THE LAST DAY." (John 6:40)
"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at THE LAST DAY." (John 6:44)
"Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at THE LAST DAY" (John 6:54) 1 Thessalonians 4 is similar to what Paul says in two other passages, 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 and Philippians 3:20-21. At Jesus’ “coming”
or “appearing” those who are still alive will be “changed” or
“transformed” so that their mortal bodies will become incorruptible,
deathless.
Because you have kept my word about patient endurance,
I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole
world, to try those who dwell on the earth.(Revelation 3:10) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGi9PBUJwAg
There are numerous proof texts and passages that support a post tribulation/pre-wrath rapture.
The awful accusations Wilkinson levels at Joe Schimmel and Jacob Prasch are unsubstantiated, they are scripturally deficient, academically devoid of integrity and spiritually toxic. He is embarrassingly guilty of the very accusations he levels at them i.e. dishonesty, false accusations, unsubstantiated myths and lies. We should not be surprised when Wilkinson's false words come back to bite him (Galatians 6:7).
If Paul Wilkinson is so very confident about the pre-tribulation theory, then he should claim the $10,000 offered by Joe Schimmel to anyone who can show him ONE CLEAR VERSE in the Bible that teaches a pre-tribulation rapture!
For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind. The standing grain has no heads; it shall yield no flour; if it were to yield, strangers would devour it. (Hosea 8:7)
* Edward Irving published pre-tribulation teachings prior to Darby in his journal "The Morning Watch" (1830). It therefore appears that Darby was a plagiarist, and not the originator of the pre-tribulation theory. http://www.seeking4truth.com/john_darby.htm
I have previously written separately about Ian McCormack and Revelation TV in some depth. Revelation TV seem intent on deceiving their viewers with false teachers such as Jesse Duplantis, John Hagee, Joyce Meyer, Pat Robertson, Ellel Ministries etc..... the list is endless. The cost of promoting things contrary to sound doctrine will be very high indeed (1 Timothy 1:3-11; Revelation 21:8). Both Howard and Leslie Conder have both admitted airing "iffy" teachers for financial gain. By blatantly putting their own interests ahead of the word of God and the eternal destiny of their hearers, the Conders are committing great wickedness. We should remember that after betraying Jesus Christ, Judas Iscariot was unable to return the money to the chief priests and elders, he could not undo what he had done (Matthew 27:3-4).
Ian McCormack is one of the more plausible false teachers around today, possibly because he seems very genuine and full of "love". However, love and truth are inseparable, love is not real love without truth (2 Thessalonians 2:10).
The above programme was aired originally on RTV on the 24th of June 2015. The doctrines of demons being taught by Ian McCormack are currently being repeated by RTV at regular intervals.
Ian McCormack describes what he calls "the problemof variance" or "the disintegration of unity" within the universal church. He blames the problem of disunity on non-cooperation between churches and the intransigence of individual ministries. Ian McCormack starts from the false premise that the "fivefold ministry"should be foundational and that the"new wineskin" should be operational universally. From the very beginning of this programme there are major issues with his teaching.
Ian McCormack: "The existing wineskin only provides pastoral positions." !!!!!
Wineskinsare specifically linked to the new birth, NOT TO A MINISTRY.The gospel is signified by wine, and the new wineskins are those whom the Holy Spirit regenerates(Matthew 9:17).
Ian McCormack: "Jesus said 'The blood of the prophets is all over the church.'" !!!!!
This is completely false. Jesus Christ was referring to the Old Testament prophets; he was addressing the Scribes and Pharisees, NOT THE CHURCH (Matthew 23:29-31).
Ian McCormack: "Barnabas was an apostle." !!!!!
Barnabas is described as an "apostle" in Acts 14:14. However, in context, the Greek word "apostolos" simply means "messenger". Barnabas was an important pioneering missionary or "messenger", but he was not an "Apostle" in the sense that Ian McCormackwould have us believe. Luke made clear distinctions between Barnabas and the Twelve apostles (Acts 4:36; 9:27; 15:2, 22). These verses and others demonstrate that Luke consistently used the term "Apostle" to refer only to the Twelve. There are four lists of the Twelve in the New Testament, one in each of the three Synoptic Gospels (Matthew 10:1-4; Mark 3:13-19; Luke 6:12-16) and one in Acts 1:13 which omits Judas Iscariot. In fact Matthias was chosen to replace Judas Iscariot; Barnabus was not even a candidate for the position (Acts 1:12-26)!
Ian McCormack:"If you don't have Salvation, Pastoral Care,
Teaching, Deliverance, Apostolic, Prophetic........ then you don't have
the full gospel....the full gospel is the whole pack." !!!!!
God has given us all things pertaining to life and godliness(2 Peter 1:3)without the distortions and additions of people like Ian McCormack. We already have the apostolic i.e. the apostles teaching, and we already have the
prophets. Modern prophecy must be tested and should line up with the
scriptures (1 John 4:1; 2 Timothy 3:16). Furthermore, the fallacy that redeemed Christians need "deliverance"
is extremely dangerous. Deliverance of redeemed Christians
is not taught anywhere in the scriptures; this is yet another denial of
the cross of Christ from people who add to the word of God (Deuteronomy
4:2; Proverbs 30:6). http://eliora.hubpages.com/hub/THE-BIBLE-AND-INNER-HEALING-A-FOCUS-ON-ELLEL-MINISTRIES
The Key to Success: Proper Additions To Faith:
For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For
whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind,
having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins. Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall. For in this way there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 1:5-11)
Ian McCormack’s unbiblical teaching that God is restoring foundational apostles and prophets in these days
puts him in broad agreement with the New Apostolic Reformation. He and other deceivers base their "fivefold" teaching on a single verse of scripture:
And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers…..(Ephesians 4:11)
In exactly what way can these new "apostles and prophets" be foundational?
The original apostles were unique, they knew Jesus Christ personally during his earthly ministry:
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have
seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our
hands, concerning the word of life— (1 John 1:1)
The office of "Apostle" was conditional: "So one of the men who have accompanied us during all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, beginning
from the baptism of John until the day when he was taken up from us—one
of these men must become with us a witness to his resurrection.”(Acts 1: 21-22)
Ian McCormack and others who promote the "fivefold ministry" actually contradict Jesus Christ and destroy the foundation. Biblically Jesus Christ and the original apostles and prophets have
(past tense) laid the foundation in defining the canon of scripture.
These present day "apostles and prophets" as they refer to themselves, are usurpers, they seek to alter that foundation.
The apostles writings were infallibly inspired as
the written word of God (John 14:26; 16:13; 1 Thessalonians 2:13
Ephesians 3:5). The scriptures tell us that the church is built on the
foundation of the original apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the
cornerstone (Ephesians 2/20). There is no evidence to support any succession to the original apostles and prophets, and there is nothing further to add to the canon of scripture as these false apostles and prophets claim. These so called "apostles" are self appointed and do things by their own authority. What Ian McCormack is doing is called revisionism, he revises the scriptures to suit his own agenda.
So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord… (Ephesians 2:19-21) The grammar is what we should pay particular attention to: "having been" + aorist passive participle (ἐποικοδομηθέντες) "built upon" - in other words, the foundation laid by Jesus Christ and the prophets is a completed past event.
For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
(1 Corinthians 3:11)
If we
are not building on the foundation laid by Christ and the apostles,
then we are not in Christ.
For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we
proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you
received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted,
you put up with it readily enough. (2 Corinthians 11:4)
..... knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.(2 Peter 1: 20-21)
The ApostlePaul had a similar dilemma with those who called themselves apostles - there is nothing new under the sun (Ecclesiastes 1:9).
And what I am doing I will continue to do, in order to undermine the
claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission
they work on the same terms as we do. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So
it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as
servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. (2 Corinthians 11:12-15)
I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you
cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call
themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false.(Revelation 2:2)
The apostle Paul gives the example of Jannes and Jambres opposition to Moses in order to warn the church:
.....having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.
Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the
truth, men corrupted in mind and disqualified regarding the faith. But they will not get very far, for their folly will be plain to all, as was that of those two men. (2 Timothy 3: 5, 8-9)
"..... in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."(Matthew 15:9)
One of the so called "apostles" Ian McCormack approves of is "gravesucker" Bill Johnson of Bethel Church, Redding CA. Johnson is one of the "apostles" who prophesied over Todd Bentley along with other false "apostles and prophets" at the "Toronto Blessing" in Florida. What these people stand for is inconsistent with the teaching and practice of Jesus Christ and the authentic apostles.
Ian McCormack: "I am up to here with hearing the bitterness, the anger, the unforgiveness and resentment because of the problem." My response: The "problem" is that the foundations laid by Jesus Christ and the apostles are being destroyed by wolves in sheep's clothing like Ian McCormack and the hirelings who give them a platform. If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do? (Psalm 11:3) No true Christian can possibly remain within the apostate church, i.e. Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth’s abominations.(Revelation 17:5, 18:2 see also Hebrews 13:13).
The Bible bears witness that there will be massive deception in the last days. This is what is referred to as the "falling away" i.e. apostasy (2 Thessalonians 2:3; 1Timothy 4:1; 2 Peter 2:1-3; Acts 20:29).
Ian McCormack promotes an unholy unity within the "universal church". However, God commands his faithful people to do the diametric opposite:
Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my
people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues....."(Revelation 18:4)
"Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith (faithfulness) on earth?” (Luke 18:8)
Ian McCormack's supposed numerous visits to the third heaven and his claim to a free right of access to heaven at any time ishighly alarming. Some of the false teachers he has shared a platform with are Jill Austin, Heidi Baker, Bill Johnson and Todd Bentley: http://www.aglimpseofeternity.org/calendar/event.php?event=384
Howard Conder has done his upmost to validate his "television ministry"via Revelation TV, despite the fact that he continues to air false teachers like Jesse Duplantis, Joyce Meyer, John Hagee etc. So far Conder has not produced one credible witness to attest to the truth of claims by himself and others that he is called by God for a "special purpose".
The following deceivers have nothing to recommend them, apart from their ability to distort the word of God:
*New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) proponent, Sharon Stone 2005. Conder is scraping the barrel in order to obtain further "verification" from Todd Bentley supporter Sharon Stone. This "prophecy" comes from yet another "Doctor" and self appointed "prophet" who is closely associated with false NAR leaders Rick Joyner,C Peter Wagner, Bob Jones, Wesley and Stacey Campbell, Cindy Jacobs and many others.
Get ready to be impressed (not):
"About Christian International Europe (CIE) A kingdom expanding international ministry founded by Dr. Sharon Stone in 1996. Sharon is the European apostle for Christian International Ministries pioneered by Dr. Bill Hamon of Santa Rosa Beach, Florida..... Dr. Sharon Stone has been used by God to mobilize the Prophetic and
Apostolic throughout the world. Through preaching, revelation, training
and coordination of various national prophetic roundtables..... She
carries an authority which shifts and transforms regions. Sharon is
known for her accurate and proven prophetic words that help to release
individuals, churches, businesses, cities and nations into divine
strategies....." http://www.cieurope.org/about.php
For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of
the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error.(2 Peter 2:18)
THE NEW APOSTOLIC REFORMATION (NAR)
Participation with the NAR is by definition to set oneself up in opposition to the Holy Scriptures.
Apostolic Governance: The main claim of the NAR is Apostolic Governance, i.e the false assertion that God is restoring the offices of Apostle and Prophet as a model for church governance in the end times.
The problem with this wicked assertion is that no biblical evidence exists to indicate that the original apostles were ever to be replaced. Jesus Christ appointed the apostles to do the foundational work of
the Church, and they were unique in setting the canon of scripture (Ephesians 2:20, 2 Timothy 3:16-17). These precious foundations were laid under the following criteria:
An apostle had to be a physical eyewitness of the resurrected Christ (Acts 1:21-22).
An apostle had to be personally appointed by the Lord Jesus Christ (John 6:70).
The NAR is a movement pioneered by C Peter Wagner, who claims apostolic authority for himself as the "Presiding Apostle" over an organisation called International Coalition of Apostles (ICA). Wagner claims that he was "commissioned by God" as the "apostle" of the "second apostolic age". According to the false gospel of Wagner, “The second apostolic age began in the year 2001 when the lost offices of prophet and apostle were restored." Wagner and others say that God is giving them new revelations apart from the Bible while proclaiming that experience takes precedence over the teaching of Jesus Christ and the apostles.In short, Wagner and others have set themselves up as an antichrist usurpers! Others who claim the title of "apostle" for themselves are Rick Joyner, Mike Bickle (now leader of the spiritually corrupt International House of Prayer {IHOP}). Cindy Jacobs (Generals International), Bill Johnson (Bethel Church Redding), Che Ahn (HRock Church Pasadena) etc. ALL these apostates are proven false prophets, they do not qualify in any way to lead the true church; their prophecies are false, their teaching is aberrant and in many cases their lifestyles are unbiblical. These modern day "apostles" claim a unique position of authority, even putting themselves above the original apostles of Jesus Christ. Many of these so called "prophets and apostles" hold celebrity status; they are completely delusional, they feed off each other and are answerable to no one!
No living person
today fulfils the criteria of the original apostles. Individuals may be
gifted by God
for certain ministries, but they cannot have that particular ministry. Wagner asserts that the gift and its fruit are recognised by
peers and that the apostle is “set in” or “commissioned” to that office by other respected and qualified leaders. Wagner is of course referring to the disgraceful infestation of false apostles and unqualified leaders who "commissioned"
Todd Bentley. None of these upstarts qualify as true Christian leaders and they certainly do not engender respect - they simply appoint and commission one another.
Prophecy: By their own authority the NAR leaders claim that prophecy is "conditional" in the New Testament i.e. there is provision for a margin of error in prophecy - this is their get out clause when their prophecies fail!!! The scriptures make no distinction between Old and New Testament prophets or prophecy: But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.(Deuteronomy 18:20, see also Deuteronomy 13:1-5; 17:12; 18:21-22; 1 Kings 18:40; Jeremiah 14:14; 23:30; 26:11; Zechariah 13:3). Any prophecy given must not contradict the Bible, and yet these deceivers claim to supersede the original apostles and prophets. Jesus Christ warned that in the end times many false prophets will arise and lead many astray (Matthew 24:11). The New Testament warns us to test prophecy and to be on our guard against spiritual deception: Matthew 7:15; 24:5; 24:24; 1 John 4:1; 2 Peter 2:1; 1 Thessalonians 5:20-21. Dominionism: The stated aim of the NAR is for the church to literally take over society prior to the return of Christ in a similar manner to that of the Popes during the Dark Ages. This global church is to be led by an exclusive group of apostles and prophets, i.e. themselves! In fact the Bible teaches the polar opposite. Revelation 19:11-21 makes it clear that JESUS CHRIST (NOT THE CHURCH) will achieve dominion on the earth (Revelation 22:19).
Wagner: "When Jesus came, He brought the kingdom of God and He expects His kingdom-minded people to take whatever action is needed to push back the long-standing kingdom of Satan and bring the peace and prosperity of His kingdom here on earth." Compare this statement with Matthew 10:24; Luke 12:51; Matthew 5:10; Mark 13:19 etc.
The above is just the tip of the iceberg, there are many more problems associated with the NAR.
Sharon Stone's prophecy over Todd Bentley's "commissioning":
“Todd , the Spirit of God says years from now people will look at this time
and they will recognise it as when their God showed up and created within
the church a new heart says the Lord. And I will genesis in the midst of
the chaos in the world today I will not just bring forth a mending I will
bring forth that which is new that which is dedicated that which is decided
that which is pure and I will heal the corruptness of the heart says God and
the lord says this is the heart that I will not despise as David cried unto me 'don’t take your Holy Spirit from me,' I have released a cry within my church
says the Lord that has the gift to release its desperateness and said I can’t live without your presence, I can’t live without your glory, I’m down
and I’m naked without your presence , no program will be a substitute and the
Spirit of God says, ‘history, says the Lord ,’ will measure it by heart.”
The only thing that has come out of the "ministry" of Todd Bentley is false teaching, unverified healings and deception. During the Lakeland false "outpouring" (and even when he was "commissioned") Bentley was having an extramarital affair withJessa Hasbrook.
All the usual heretics were present at Todd Bentley's "commissioning" on June 23, 2008:
Ché Ahn, pastor of Harvest Rock Church in Pasadena, Calif.; John Arnott of
Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship in Canada; Bill Johnson, pastor of Bethel
Church in Redding, Calif.; laid hands on Bentley approving him into their
fold. It was called a true sign of unity by many. Peter Wagner called this
“The Alignment Ceremony” where a total of 17 "apostles" participated (on stage)
representing three apostolic streams: ICA, Revival Alliance, and Morning Star.
Participating leaders at the unholy ceremony included Rick Joyner, founder of
MorningStar Ministries Ken Greter who announced C. Peter Wagner, Che Ahn, Bill
Johnson, John Arnott, Stephen Strader, Karl Strader, Jeff Beecham, Rick
Joyner,Doris Wagner, Joseph Garlington, Sharon Stone, Paco Garcia,
Clarice Fluitt, Richard Maiden, Mike Maiden, Joshua Fowler,Barry
Bouchet,Wesley Campbell.
Statement from the Board of Directors, Fresh Fire Ministries 15the August 2008:
“We wish to acknowledge, however, that since our last statement from
the Fresh Fire Board of Directors, we have discovered new information
revealing that Todd Bentley has entered into an unhealthy relationship on an
emotional level with a female member of his staff. In light of this new
information and in consultation with his leaders and advisors, Todd Bentley
has agreed to step down from his position on the Board of Directors and to
refrain from all public ministry for a season to receive counsel in his
personal life.” http://www.freshfire.ca/?Id=1052&pid=993
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. (2 Peter 2:1)
An appalling and horrible thing has happened in the land: the prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule at their direction; my people love to have it so, but what will you do when the end comes? (Jeremiah 5:30-31)
"Jesus was in the thick of an era where homosexuality, just like it is
today, was widely prevalent." Carl Lentz New York City Hill$ong Pastor.
THIS IS A GROSSLY DISHONEST STATEMENT
Jesus Christ was definitely NOT in the thick of an era where homosexuality was widely prevalent!!!! Jesus declared explicitly that his mission was focused on Israel (Matthew 15:24). The Jews DID NOT engage in the practices of the surrounding nations where homosexuality and paedophilia were widely practiced.
HOMOSEXUALITY WAS EMPHATICALLY CONDEMNED BY THE JEWISH TRADITION!
For Jews living in the first century, homosexuality wastaboo.The biblical prohibition against a male lying with a male as though with a woman
(Leviticus 20:13) was at the very heart of Jewish morality. This
explains why Jesus Christ never addressed the sin of homosexuality
directly as he did other sins, for instance, adultery; it is reasonable
to suppose that he did not come across it!
The author of the Syballine Oracles, thought to be an Egyptian Jew
(approx. 163 - 45 B.C.)
"The Jews are mindful of holy wedlock, and they do not engage in
impious intercourse with male children, as do Phoenicians, Egyptians,
and Romans, specious Greece and many nations of others, Persians and
Galatians and all Asia." http://www.conservapedia.com/History_of_homosexuality#Homosexuality_among_the_Jews
Josephus: "But then, what are our laws about marriage? That law owns no other mixture of sexes but that which nature hath appointed, of a man with his wife, and that this be used only for the procreation of children. But it abhors the mixture of male with male; and if anyone do that, death is his punishment." (Against Apion 2.25)
Perhaps Lentz would like to produce evidence to back up his ridiculous statement which infers that homosexuality was widely prevalent within first century Judaism?
JESUS CHRIST AFFIRMED THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS!
Jesus Christ: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them.” (Matthew 5:17)
Jesus Christ: “But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.” (Luke 16:17)
Leviticus 18 forbids various types of unlawful sexual relations calling them “unclean” - verse 22 explicitly calls homosexuality an abomination as does Leviticus 20:13). Jesus Christ's affirmation that marriage is between a man and a woman:
“Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made
them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father
and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one
flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh." (Matthew 19:3-6; Genesis 2:24)
Being
then God’s offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is
like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination
of man. The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands
all people everywhere to repent, because he has fixed a day on which he
will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed;
and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”(Acts 17:29-31)
But as for the cowardly, the faithless,
the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers,
idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns
with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)
THE BIBLE AND HOMOSEXUALITY
·You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. (Leviticus 18:2)
·If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13) ·For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error. (Romans 1:26-27)
·Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites..... (1 Corinthians 6:9)
·This means understanding that the law is laid down not for the innocent but for the lawless and disobedient, for the godless and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their father or mother, for murderers, fornicators, sodomites, slave traders, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to the sound teaching. (1 Timothy 1:9-10)
THE DAYS OF LOT
The
days of Lot were defined by sexual immorality and rampant
homosexuality just prior to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Jesus
Christ warns us that the world will be just the same in the end
times prior to his second coming. Now is the time for church leaders to warn about the coming judgement rather than compromising with the world to fit in with societal fluctuations.
Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building..... (Luke 1:28). They (Sodom and her daughters) were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it. (Ezekiel 16:50) Likewise,
Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which, in the same
manner as they, indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural lust
(perversion), serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal
fire. (Jude 1:7) …… they called to Lot,
"Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, so
that we may know (be intimate with) them." Lot went out of the door to
the men, shut the door after him, and said, "I beg you, my brothers, do
not act so wickedly." (Genesis 19:5-7)
HILL$ONG MEMBERS BEWARE!The feel-good factor at HILL$ONG has nothing to do with Biblical Christianity!
Then
I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people,
lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues; (Revelation 18:4)
Jacob Prasch of Moriel Ministries describes David Carr, Senior Pastor of the Renewal Centre in Solihull as "the
quintessential theological ignoramus of the UK". Carr was the mentor of the now disgraced adulterer Richard Taylor, the instigator of the fake 'Welsh Outpouring' in the UK. Vineyard "Pastor" Randy Clark is of course a well known false bible teacher who has relentlessly promoted the strange fire of Toronto for a number of years.
"Moriel picketed Randy Clark's fiasco in the Midlands of England when he attempted to introduce his deceptive bill of goods assisted by the
colossal hype artistry of David Carr whom we regard as the
quintessential theological ignoramus of the UK.
Some time
later I authored and published a rebuttal to the pseudo scholarly
nonsense propounded by Dr. Craig in his defence of the Toronto /
Pensacola debacle as academically and factually hideous and devoid of
any real scriptural or historical support. Craig's outlandish efforts to
use the teaching of the unbelieving Neo Aristotelian rabbi Rambam (
Moses Maimonides) from the Middle Ages to theologically justify Todd
Bentley's claims of angelic visitations by a female angel named 'Emma'
were beyond any semblance of exegetically interpreted Christian dogma
and in fact even beyond the proverbial 'pale'. Whether Craig's polemic
aimed at the opponents of Todd Bentley was even the product of a
rational mind, we are not sure. But we are sure with uttermost certainty
that The ludicrous nature of his remarks appear to have bordered on
theological lunacy and academically impalpable and an exhibition of
scholarly charlatanism. It is not my goal to revile, but in
contemplating Dr. Craig's apologia I could find no euphemism for its patently moronic content.
Craig is the product of the ministry of Jack Heyford who jumped to the
defence of Oral Roberts' after Robert's claim that a 900 foot tall Jesus
Christ was going to murder him if he did not come up with 6 million
dollars required to save his now defunct medical facility by the end of
the month. In the same article also defended the late Paul Crouch in the
TBN scandals before the 425,000 dollars secrecy clause settlement about
homosexual charges concerning Crouch were disclosed in three days of
front page exposure by the Los Angeles Times.
The August of 1990
visit by John Wimber, Mike Bickel, and the Kansas City prophets in which
the 'latter day rain' revival for England spreading to Germany was
prophetically predicted for October if that year has witnessed only the
construction of more mosques in England than churches with the result of
the publicly proven false prophecies being a moral avalanche in Britain
- not a revival, and with Kansas City prophet Paul Caine admitting to
being a drunken homosexual and Bob Jones a womaniser. Since when has
immorality been the hallmark of revival? Failed prophetic prediction
that was time specific and made in God's Name however are according to
God's Word in Deuteronomy 18 etc. the unmistakeable signatures of the
false prophets whom Jesus warned would be increasingly dispensed from
hell to mislead the elect prior to His return.
The Toronto
fiasco was no revival either, and the ecumenical deception of the late
John Wimber and the contra scriptural notion that The Holy Spirit led charismatic Catholics to remain in the Roman church and continue in the
idolatry of transubstantiation, the necromancy of praying to the dead,
and the false gospel of sacramental regeneration is ludicrous. Randy
Clark is and consistently has been a deceiver with a lying spirit raised
up by Satan as an apologist for counterfeit revival who acts in the
devil's service. I state this as a firm believer in Spirit Baptism and
charismata by both theology and experience myself. The Pensacola
deception which ended in an ugly split and a public financial scandal
and the adultery and family abandonment by the head to toe tattoo clad
Todd Bentley (who is banned from Australia and Great Britain after
kicking elderly ladies in the face) during and after the Lakeland
pandemonium which Clark defends, further demonstrates that he is but a
servant of the father of lies. Efforts to attribute Third world church
growth in areas of Asia thousands of miles away from Toronto and
Lakeland where the momentum of that growth preceded these false revivals
in the West by Randy Clark are as absurd as they are dishonest.
I remain available to publicly debate either Dr. Craig or Randy Clark challenging their advocacy of these counterfeit moves of God on front
of a video camera, and Moriel affirms the doctrinal and factual validity
of the statements made in this regard by Andrew Strom, who is guilty of
nothing. more than telling the honest truth and upholding The Word of
God.
Contrary to Toronto, Lakeland etc., the Fruit if The Spirit is 'ekreitei' , that is 'Self Control', not the lack of it. Nothing matching authentic
scriptural or historical patterns or definitions of revival emerged from
these demonically infiltrated counterfeits . These bogus
combinations of the carnal and demonic were predicated on deception,
hypnotic induction, and false if not heretical doctrine all of which was
merchandised by religious connivers, defended by religious liars , and
believed only by the deluded proponents of a religious idiocy that was
ignorantly and often hypocritically misrepresented as a genuine
outpouring of God's Spirit in the character of early Methodism. A
cursory reading of Daniel Roland's history of The a Great revival (
misquoted by Guy Chevreau) reveals that John Wesley labelled the 'holy
laughter' not as holy but as 'devilish' - identifying it as a satanic
attempt to thwart and contaminate anything truly of God.
Scripturally and historically revivals commenced with people weeping,
but none with people laughing. Drunken hysterics, immorality, financial
con artistry (now Todd Bentley claims visitation by an angel called
'international banker') are not 'ekreitei', and huge numbers saved as
the result of what transpires in a revival never transpired in Toronto
or Lakeland. Rather Rick Joyner, Bill Johnson, Che An, and C. Peter
Warner made televised false prophetic predictions concerning Todd Bentley who was at the time engaged in an adulterous relationship and a few days later left his handicapped Christian wife and three children to run off with his immoral woman whom he has since married in
what God calls adultery and she is now making more crazed alleged
'prophecies' with him under the 'rehabilitation' of the proven false
prophet Rick Joyner. This was the only true fruit of Lakeland before
scandal saw that haunt if demons fold up and close down amidst the
notorious history of the Strader family one of whom is in prison as a
swindler for 30 years. No one in their right mind can call such moral
debauchery a revival. But in his assault on Andrew Strom this is
precisely what Randy Clark poses to do, this is sick.
My
challenge to confront Randy Clark in open recorded debate stand and I
thank The Lord for the brethren such as Andrew Strom and a few others
like him who by the grace of Jesus saw through the erroneous nature of
the deception in which they were once ensconced and in the case of
Andrew , who has had the integrity to tell the honest, factual, and
scriptural truth concerning it.
