THE PRASCH MENACE!

I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.” (Matthew 12:36-37).

Jacob Prasch Response to Dave Borlase IFB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gvmQxwMy-o

Prasch and his small group of sycophants persistence in slandering David Nathan has now reached the point of utter tedium. If Amos Farrell and others are incapable of repenting, then it really is time they changed the record! Their continued attacks against David Nathan are both crass and vindictive considering the various false accusations against him have been successfully refuted time and again. Ironically, not one of Prasch's shameful "enabling eight" {1} has mentioned Prasch's false teaching that there will be no grace during the millennium and his agreement with David Nathan on this subject. {2} There is no doubt that Amos Farrell is a malicious witness. (Exodus 23:1).

David Nathan: “He (Jesus) is the creator. He is the one that created – but as we know from scripture, because God is a perfect unity they work as one – that Jesus did not act independently of the Father. Amen..” (12:00 mark). {3}

Moriel's latest target is Dave Borlase (Intercessors for Britain). I am not a supporter of IFB.* However, I am in no hurry to believe Amos Farrell's version of events concerning Prasch's altercation with him. 

Farrell's duplicitous track record speaks for itself. Earlier this year Farrell claimed to be "Sergeant Amos Farrell Sr. Detective (retired) Scotland Yard Metropolitan Police, London (UK)". {4} I contacted the Metropolitan Police and complained about Farrell's gross inflation of his former position. Here in the UK, the rank of Sergeant is a junior position, only one rank above that of Police Constable, the lowest ranking police officer. There are no less than nine ranks above Sergeant in the Metropolitan Police! Farrell's title would have been Detective Sergeant and certainly not Senior Detective! Unsurprisingly, apart from sending me a brief acknowledgement, the Metropolitan Police have done absolutely nothing to address this matter as far as I am aware. Apparently publicly misrepresenting oneself as a retired "Senior Detective" is not an issue for them!

None of my contacts has any knowledge of Dave Borlase's alleged "rehashed version of events". The only statement known to us is Borlase's original post on FB dated the 5th of December warning about Prasch's godless behaviour. {5}




Prasch's Alleged Jewish Background

On the above video Prasch states: "I tell people my mothers family was Catholic. I tell people I had no Jewish background growing up except going to the Jewish community centre." (16:45 mark)

Prasch has in fact claimed that he has a biological Jewish background on various occasions:

Prasch: "I have two first names - James and Jacob. When I was a baby they called me James. It was Anglicised from my father's grandfather's name, Ya'kov - Jacob. It is good that I have two first names because my family is a combination of two backgrounds - Irish Catholic and Jewish." {6} On ancestry.co.uk Prasch's grandfather on his father's side is George Conrad Prasch, and on his mother's side it is Francis Joseph Connors. https://vimeo.com/330059149 (password Ancestry). 

Prasch refers to the time when he was a baby! In other words, his alleged biological background is Irish Catholic and Jewish. 

Prasch: "Now I grew up in the New York area and I was sent both to a Roman Catholic school and the Jewish community center. I had brit milah, plus I was sprinkled as a baby." {7}

Brit Milah [Hebrew: בְּרִית מִילָה] is a Jewish religious male circumcision ceremony performed by a mohel (a Jew who performs the rite of circumcision) on the eighth day of the infant's life. 

"Jacob’s family is a combination of Roman Catholic and Jewish. (In his youth he was forced to attend a Catholic school, but also attended the Jewish Community Centre.) Jacob’s wife Pavia, also from a science background, is a Romanian-born Israeli Jewish believer.." {8}

Attending a Jewish Community Centre in his youth relates to Prasch's biological family. His wife's Jewish background is mentioned separately.

In the above video, Prasch contradicts himself and waves around some vague papers that supposedly do give him a Jewish background after all!

Prasch now says that Brasch was his original family name, and he claims that it was changed to "Ellis Island" when his family came to the United States - all documented apparently! Ellis Island? Is he having a laugh, have I mis-heard him, or is it the Jack Daniels?

ancestry.com: "Brasch Name Meaning: North German and Danish: variant of Braasch. German: from a reduced form of the Latin personal name Ambrosius (see Ambrose)." {9}

There are Jewish families in Argentina with surname BRASCH. {10} Perhaps Prasch can make something up out of that!



If Prasch has taken advantage of the Law of Return (Hebrew: חֹוק הַשְׁבוּת, ḥok ha-shvūt) as he claims, then it would be due to his wife's nationality rather than to his own supposed Jewish background. On the 5th of July 1950, Israeli law gave Jews the right to live in Israel and to gain Israeli citizenship. According to Wikipedia, in 1989 the Supreme Court of Israel ruled that Messianic Judaism constituted another religion, and that people who had become Messianic Jews were not therefore eligible for Aliyah under the law. {11} In order to establish the facts, it would depend upon when Prasch actually applied for Israeli citizenship. I challenge Jacob Prasch to publish the papers he was waving around on line so that we can verify his supposed Jewish background.

The Myth Of Lymphatic Oedema As A Cause For Non Dietary Obesity

Prasch briefly mentioned his medical condition on the video, and once again he hinted that lymphatic oedema is the cause of his gross obesity.

In 2017, Prasch blamed his obesity on "lymphatic fluid" in a video 'The Sin of Gluttony' {12}

Prasch teaches correctly that gluttony is addressed as a serious sin in the scriptures (albeit that he falsely excludes himself), and he has previously made reference to Bill Randles' obesity.

Moriel (SA): "Like Bill Randles, Jacob Prasch battles with issues of health; specifically Lymphatic Oedema causing non dietary obesity. To function Jacob is reliant on certain meds, one of which has the side effect of oral dehydration affecting salvia secretion. He is not 'foaming at the mouth' but battling a disease. Such personal attacks only evade the factual and doctrinal issues." {13}

I have done some research into the subject of lymphatic oedema as the cause of non dietary obesity. In fact it is not the case that lymphatic oedema causes obesity. Obese people suffering from lymphatic oedema are actually advised to lose weight as it is an aggravating factor. Prasch's penchant for changing facts is truly astonishing!

NHS: "People who are obese, particularly those who are severely obese, have an increased risk of developing swollen body parts. It's not clear exactly why this is, but it's been suggested that the extra fatty tissue affects the lymphatic channels in some way, reducing the flow of fluid through them. In these cases, weight loss is an important part of treatment and even just starting to lose weight can make a big difference to the swelling." {14}

* Intercessors for Britain compromised with Hope 08 which was ecumenical. {15}
Borlase is involved with ecumenical Heart Publications. {16}
Borlase's manners leave a lot to be desired!
He was very rude and hostile towards me not so long ago and he has not bothered to apologise. 
A good friend of mine who is also an apologist informs me that Borlase was also very rude to him.
On the above basis I will have nothing whatever to do with IFB or Dave Borlase.

Further information:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4393748/
https://www.lymphedemablog.com/2017/09/19/obesity-and-lymphedema/

Dracula Prasch and His Jewish Blood/Alcohol Levels from tbckawaii on Vimeo.

1. https://powerplaypause.blog/2019/11/18/jacob-prasch-the-shameful-enabling-8/
2. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/05/jacob-prasch-millennial-views-tainted.html
3. https://youtu.be/jGuCiRUvriM
4. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/04/is-jacob-prasch-having-laugh.html
5.https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/12/intercessors-for-britain-public.html
6. Jacob Prasch: Israel, The Church & The Jews 2008 page 263
7. https://www.moriel.org/questions/questions-for-jewish-people/questions-for-jewish-people-introduction.html
8. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6400380-israel-the-church-the-jews
9. https://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=brasch
10. https://www.hebrewsurnames.com/BRASCH
11. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return
12. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sqeoS3AxvI&t=571s
13. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/10/moriel-statement-jacob-prasch-moriel.html
14. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/lymphoedema/causes/
15. https://www.cte.org.uk/Publisher/File.aspx?ID=150343
16. https://www.heartpublications.co.uk/supporting-churches/
16. https://www.heartpublications.co.uk/tag/dave-borlase/

A TEACHABLE MOMENT ~ CLOSING STAGES

In the video clip above Bill Randles grossly misrepresented the facts when he claimed publicly that David Nathan taught that "the Father did not create anything" and "the blood of Jesus has no profit in any dispensation". These are blatant falsehoods! Even though Bill Randles is fully aware that David Nathan has not taught these heresies, he has made no attempt to apologise or to retract his false statements!!! 

David Nathan: “He (Jesus) is the creator. He is the one that created – but as we know from scripture, because God is a perfect unity they work as one – that Jesus did not act independently of the Father. Amen..” (12:00 mark). https://youtu.be/jGuCiRUvriM

“You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness." (Exodus 23:1).

Read the post by Closingstages:

https://closingstages.net/2019/12/25/a-teachable-moment/?fbclid=IwAR2dPIO7LURCCFZJtPEyR5KHcpAM15zyr05loLcMbOe9khaemGwAAiK7RpQ

INTERCESSORS FOR BRITAIN: PUBLIC STATEMENT ~JACOB PRASCH'S GODLESS BEHAVIOUR

INTERCESSORS FOR BRITAIN

5th December 2019

Jacob Prasch of Moriel Ministries 

After over a year of direct private appeals to Jacob, appealing to others connected with his work, and waiting and hoping that others might act or there might be repentance, we now come to the sad moment where we must speak publicly. 

For over a year we have witnessed others being subjected to threats, abusive speech, slander, misrepresentation and malicious gossip; and we have also been on the receiving end of the same. Jacob has carried this out via emails and also using the pulpit to execute this ungodly behaviour.

Despite our best efforts to appeal for him to reconsider his actions and behaviour, he has continued and has again just recently used his pulpit to abuse a godly woman, who is also a member of IFB. She, along with a growing number of good fellow believers have been on the receiving end of some very unrighteousness behaviour. 

This is simply unacceptable. That this continues unabated and the untold damage that is being done to fellow saints has led us to make this public statement. 

Jacob has promised us he will produce another video attacking us if we dare to speak out against him. We will not make any further comments or responses to any such video. We will only respond further if Jacob denies the claims made in this statement, in which case we will simply post the evidence publicly for the body to judge. 

We take no pleasure in writing this and have put it off for a long time at the request of others. However, I will not stand silently by while good fellow workers are wickedly and publicly savaged. Jacob has sort to control many with fear, including me, however, the fear of man brings a snare. We will trust in the Lord.

But please, let none of this be a distraction (unfortunately the enemy has been using it as such for us, hence us drawing a line in the sand here); let us press on in prayer at this critical time.

Yours in Christ
Dave Borlase

Solely for our facebook post. Moriel has had people posting and attacking on their behalf, sometimes even using fake facebook profiles, (even of the opposite sex!). We will simply delete those comments. If anyone has concerns or would like to discuss the issue, you are welcome to message me privately and I will get back to you when I can.

https://www.facebook.com/intercessorsforbritain/

UPDATE: Upon receipt of certain information, I find that I cannot support Intercessors For Britian due to their compromise with ecumenism.  Please read the comment below. 

POWERPLAYPAUSE: THE JACOB PRASCH FILES ~ MORIEL PLACED ON AUSTRALIAN CULT INFORMATION SERVICE

The Jacob Prasch Files No.8: Australian Cult Information Service Places Moriel on List of Possible “Extremist Groups/Destructive and Manipulative Sects/Cults/High Pressure Groups.”
December 5, 2019 by powerplaypause

I have uncovered several rather eye-opening articles about Jacob Prasch from the late 1990s and early 2000s. This is the eighth in the collection:

Jacob Prasch’s group Moriel saw rapid expansion in Australia in the late 1990s, despite Prasch’s explosive behaviour, and his gurning about not receiving enough financial offerings, and being labelled by a Moriel Australia volunteer “a malevolent and breathtakingly ungrateful thug” for his idiot attacks on his own volunteers. Theologian David Pawson, in an arbitration report between Prasch and his target the Elim denomination in 1998, keenly noted this about Prasch’s group:

“Moriel is a smaller group of autonomous fellowships in loose association, but its publications are the virtual mouthpiece of one dominant personality, apparently operating without mutual accountability.”

And about Prasch specifically David Pawson wrote:

“He is a powerful personality with considerable intellectual ability and emotional capacity. He has a unique ministry in Bible teaching, especially in the area of Jewish interpretation and application of scripture. His unusual background, knowledge and experience have attracted many followers though, as with other persuasive communicators, some of his devotees regard his pronouncements as the last word on a subject or issue, an attitude he does not appear to discourage. The title of his newsletters (‘Moriel’ means ‘God is my teacher’) has more than a hint of a claim to special revelation, whether this is intended or not.”

A few years down the line in 2003 Prasch’s group Moriel was listed by The Cult Information Service in Brisbane, Australia, in their list of Extremist Groups – Destructive and Manipulative Sects – Cults – High Pressure Groups on their website. The group to this day watches out for fellow Australians, although no longer publishes publicly its list. Here is the 2003 list:

Extremist Groups – Destructive and Manipulative Sects – Cults – High Pressure Groups. We carry an extensive collection of articles and books on a wide variety of groups about whom concern has been expressed.  The following list represents a small selection of those about whom we have information.  In addition we have access to reference libraries and various sources.  If the group is known or significant, we can usually find out what types of beliefs they hold. The listing a group on this page does not imply it is a “cult”.   It simply implies that some observers have expressed concerns about the extremist practices or unhealthy group processes exhibited by the group, and that critiquing information about them is available in the public domain.  They may be healthy – you decide for yourself. Name(s) of Cults Location(s) Leader / Comments Year Founded Notes / Writings Aum Shinrikyo Tokyo Japan Shoko Asahara 1987 Tokyo subway Nerve Gas attacks Calvary Centre Brisbane Sharon & John Fawcett 1988 Small independent Christian Community Children of God (see also the Family) USA Australia, various Archbishop Amos Otest, David Berg. 1976 Free love, forced marriages, banned contraception, “Flirty Fishing” Church Universal & Triumphant USA Elizabeth Clare Prophet 1961 Syncretism based on Christianity + ascended masters,  karma, re-incarnation. Circle of Light USA Rev Cassandra D Anaya 1995? New Age psychic, channelling angels Community Church “The Community” North East Kingdom Community Canada, New Zealand   1972 Orthodox Evangelical theology, excessive on “cutting off from the world” and some cases of abducting children in divorce disputes. Elan Vital – Maharaj Ji – Divine Light Mission – Premie USA   1973   Family (see also Children of God)     Peter Amsterdam Healers Numerous Various   Some Christian, some new age, other.       Heaven’s Gate California Marshall Applewhite   39 committed Suicide Infinity – Forms of Yellow Remember Sydney Australia     Sells expensive water in vials.  Extensive website. Jehovah’s Witnesses WorldWide Charles Taze Russell 1870 Strong Milieu Control, Anti-trinitarian, Exclusivist Kenja Sydney Ken Dyers, Jan Hamilton 1991? Self-awareness, some allegations of sexual misconduct. Life Integration Programs (The Metaphysical Association) Brisbane UQ Natasha Lakaev 1993 Excessive physical endurance courses Local Church   Witness Lee 1940s, Zealous group, Modal Monarchianism and Exclusivist. Centralised authoritarian structure. All other churches are “Satanic”. Magnificat Meal Movement Helidon Qld Debra Geileskey… 1993 Catholic offshoot, Mary co-redemptrix, Mahikari Japan, Australia Yoshikasu Okada, Dr Andris Tebecis 1959 True Light radiating from hands.  Sometime members Richard & Jo Court. (WA premier) Moonies Korea, USA Sun Myung Moon 1960 Numerous front organisations “Family Federation for World Peace” etc Moral Rearmament USA Frank Buchman 1921   Moriel   Jacob Prasch   Appears theologically orthodox. mildly-charismatic evangelical. Mormons Utah, worldwide Joseph Smith 1830   New Age Movements (see also “Cult Encounter” book by Rick & Helen Larson – Extra Terrestrial Earth Ministry) Worldwide Many and varied New groups emerge continually Combination of occult practices, divining, witchcraft One Humanity Near Brisbane Shaiah Raz-ael Nineties Seeks to unite all religions Paganism (See witchcraft) worldwide various ancient Related to new-age People’s  Temple Guyana Jim Jones   913 committed suicide Guyana 1978 Potter’s House USA, worldwide Wayman Mitchell 1970 Orthodox Trinitarian Pentecostal.  Some have practiced “heavy shepherding”. Promise Keepers Worldwide Barry Cutchie (Australia) 1990 Orthodox evangelical men’s movement. Some small concerns over USA right-wing influence. Raelian – UFO cult USA, France, worldwide, Calude Vorilhon (“Rael”) 1973 Alien embassy plans. Demonstrated against “Independence Day” movie as “racist towards Aliens” Reiki Japan, USA Various   Healing with hands – energy Essene New Life Church (see Reiki)         Revival Centres International Worldwide L.R. Longfield 1958 Pentecostal extremist, British Israelism Sant Thakar Singh (see also Yoga)         Scientology USA, worldwide L.Ron Hubbard 1952? Cosmic alien religion. Suma Ching Hai – the Quan Yin Method Vietnam, Taiwan, worldwide Ching Hai “living buddha”   Buddhist offshoot Toronto Blessing Toronto, worldwide John Arnott, Rodney Howard Browne, 1994 Pentecostal Orthodox theologically, extreme in manifestations. Trennia – New Apostles of Divine Mercy Ireland + ?     Divine Mercy Novena. Twelve Tribes USA     Christian Unorthodox United Pentecostal Movement     1910 Unitarian Pentecostals adhering to Modal Monarchianism. Witchcraft Worldwide     Various types of different significance World Peace Universal Church (Matson) Boondall, Brisbane Roger Gregory Matson 198?   Yoga (see also Sant Thakar Singh) India Hindu Offshoot ancient Knowing God through body mastery. Bhagavad Gita. This list is necessarily brief and indicative.  Call for more details

(c) Cult Information Service – Brisbane Australia (07) 3878 5212 – Call Anytime. This website carries information of a general nature only and is no substitute for professional counselling.

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The Jacob Prasch Files:

No.1: David Pawson’s 1998 Report on Prasch’s Behaviour
No.2: Prasch Damns His Chosen Arbiter David Pawson!
No.3: Prasch the “Malevolent and Breathtakingly Ungrateful Thug”
No.4: Moriel Australia Inc. & Prasch’s “List of Imaginary JW Supporters and Heretics”
No.5: “Head-kicking” Benny Hinn, and “Culling” Moriel’s “Aunt Maybel” Subscribers
No.6: Prasch: Pastor or Predator?
No.7: Prasch: “Women Are Vulnerable to Spiritual Seduction More Than Men Are”

No.8: Australian Cult Information Service Places Moriel on List of Possible “Extremist Groups/Destructive and Manipulative Sects/Cults/High Pressure Groups”

BILL RANDLES IRRATIONAL BEHAVIOUR

CLOSINGSTAGES: PUBLIC APOLOGY

https://closingstages.net/2019/11/14/public-apology/#comments

CLOSINGSTAGES: BILL RANDLES RESOLUTION

https://closingstages.net/2019/11/18/randles-resolution/

Following Mike and Pat Rogers' public apology to Bill Randles, I have to say that Randles irrational behaviour is quite something to behold! Unsurprisingly, his illogical suggestion that they follow the Matthew 18 process in order to resolve their differences has resulted in further issues.

The Matthew 18:15-17 Process:

Stage 1: If your brother sins against you, go and confront him privately. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. (v15)
Stage 2: But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses. (v 16)

Stage 3: If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. (v 17a)

Stage 4: And if he refuses to listen even to the church, regard him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. (v17b)

Some thoughts: All this has taken place in the public domain. As such it is not an issue that can realistically be settled privately by the Matthew 18 process. Nevertheless Mike and Pat did listen to Bill Randles and took appropriate action (stage 1). However, Bill does not listen to their grievances, which necessitates the involvement of one or two others (stage 2). If Bill will not listen to one or two others, and as they are not in a church setting, Mike and Pat cannot “tell it to the church”. As such stage 3 does not apply. At stage 2 if there is no resolution, I think they would need to decide whether to regard Bill as a “pagan or a tax collector”. In a church setting that would necessitate that Bill's company is to be shunned. (Stage 4).

In any event, Bill invalidated the whole process when he vilified Mike and Pat publicly after Matthew 18 was initiated and after he had agreed to await their response. 

[William Randles Tim Wirth it is not true what they posted about how”vile” Kris and I, and these hypocrites repost from Jacobs website when it serves their interest in sliming my name, such as when they posted Sergio’s lying rant ... none of it is”hard truth”].  

A further violation of the process occurred when Bill copied another person into his email responses to Mike and Pat erratically without consulting them and without their permission.

Bill continues to flout the Matthew 18 process by adding to his list of original grievances.

In my view, resolution with such an unstable person will be very difficult indeed!

Further Problems

Both Bill and Kristin have broken the scriptures by making ad hominem remarks and accusations they are not prepared to back up with specific examples and facts. (2 Corinthians 13:1).

In my own case, Bill has accused me of being a "feminist", as well as making other false accusations against me.* However he failed to produce any evidence to substantiate those lies. He subsequently followed up by calling me a an "abusive reviler”. Despite being challenged by me, Bill completely ignores me and refuses to acknowledge my grievances against him. Is that scriptural?

* UPDATE 22/11/2019:  I have accepted Bill's recent apology on a previous obscure post of mine for calling me a "feminist".

        https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/11/powerplaypause-jacob-prasch-shameful.html#comments

Partiality

When I asked Bill Randles to read my intra-seal critique on Prasch, he agreed, but he did not keep his word. His partiality was obvious when he asked: "What are the implications of Jacob not getting the counting of the Omer exactly right?" {1}

Concerning David Nathan:

Bill Randles: "In my view, the original issue which triggered all of this boils down to two statements of David Nathan’s; 

'The blood of Jesus will not profit anyone anything in the Millennium' and the twin statement in which Nathan strongly asserts that the blood sacrifices offered in the Millennium are in no way memorial. In other words, they do not point back to the cross of Jesus, as the Lord’s Supper does.

"God the Father did not Create anything” {2}

Can Bill Randles clarify why precisely he will not “forgive” David Nathan? If it concerns the millennium question, then it is not for Bill Randles to “forgive” a doctrinal error.. only the Lord can do that. We forgive one another our sins against each other, not doctrinal error. (Colossians 3:13). We “expose” false teaching – that is all. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. Ephesians 5:1.

Bill Randles: "So what is my problem? WHY HAVEN'T I 'FORGIVEN' HIM?"

I have all kinds of problems with these two issues, but DON'T ASSUME I HAVEN'T FORGIVEN or don’t love David Nathan because it isn’t true..

DOCTRINAL ISSUES ARE NOT PRIMARILY A MATTER OF FORGIVENESS … they are matters of the determination of truth.."

This particular example of Bill's double speak had the effect of muddying the waters, and it prolonged an already unpleasant episode. In my view, it was a deliberate attempt to further damage David Nathan's reputation.

Further evidence of Bill Randles duplicity: 

"We don’t have to get personal. If we could just be objective people, take a look at Scripture, put aside personalities put aside people being rude, this or that or the other. Do you really want to promote a man, who says the Father didn’t create anything? Or that the blood of Christ has no profit AT ANY DISPENSATION.. People have to remember where their true loyalty lies, it lies with the Word." https://youtu.be/fPzfy83U5Y0 (1:17 mark).

To state that David Nathan was referring to ANY DISPENSATION is a complete fabrication! The original question concerned the MILLENIUM, and in that respect David Nathan has clarified his position.

David Nathan: "The statement which I should not have made but rather should have sought to express myself very differently and that folk have objected to is, 'The Blood of Jesus will not profit anyone, anything in the Millennium.' In using this phrase, which I regret, I was not stating that the Blood of Jesus does not cleanse in all ages as this would be a clear violation of scripture. His blood alone can take away sin and every sacrifice from Genesis 3:21, when the Lord clothed Adam and Eve in tunics of skin to the sacrifices of the Millennium all point to Jesus. In the teaching I kept using the word atone to describe the purpose of the millennial sacrifices in the sense that they do not remove sin but cover sin. I reiterate again that I do not teach nor believe that the sin of an animal or animals can ever remove sin. Not under the Old Testament, not now nor in the age to come. Only the Blood of Jesus can remove sin both now and forever, including the millennium. This is and has always been what I have believed though I did not express it succinctly in the series on Eschatology.

I only offer the above as an explanation of why I used the phrase and not as an excuse for trying to justify using it. I was wrong to use it as it does not, nor ever did convey what I actually believe regarding the eternal cleansing power of the Blood of Jesus which alone removes sin for all ages."  {3}

David Nathan: "The bible is absolutely clear that God is the creator. The Father ordained creation. Jesus was the creator in perfect unity with the Father.. not that God the Father was not involved in creation.." {4}

Kristin Randles has said all kinds of wicked things against David Nathan, as recorded on my previous post {5} .

Critically, Bill seems oblivious to the fact that Jacob Prasch thoroughly agreed with David Nathan’s millennial views. Bill has never acknowledged that fact – and that was his main bone of contention!

All these are the actions of a "pastor" who boasts of 40 years in the ministry! 

Better is a poor person who walks in his integrity than one who is crooked in speech and is a fool. (Proverbs 19:1).

1. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2018/11/jacob-prasch-moriel-ministries-counting.html
2. https://billrandles.wordpress.com/2018/12/30/why-there-is-still-a-question-david-nathan/
3. https://www.bolm.co.za/index_htm_files/Response%20to%20Bill%20Randles%20-%20Open%20Letter.pdf
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGuCiRUvriM&t=851s
5. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/10/the-vile-arrogance-of-bill-and-kristin.html

JACOB PRASCH CONTINUES TO PUT THE BOOT IN!

Jacob Prasch: "One of the most vicious Jezebels with a Jezebel Spirit I have ever encountered in my life is in Fife Scotland.. What would you say of a woman who promotes somebody who says 'God the Father is not the creator..' that 'the gospel is not eternal..' and defends and promotes the priests of Baal.. 'you can pray into a jacket or a tie or a piece of cloth and knock people over with it..' and then when she is opposed she goes on the warpath (??). That's a Jezebel. She is a vicious, vicious woman, she is demonised.." (1:33-1:36).

These accusations against Deborah Menelaws are very serious! Indeed Prasch's habit of slandering women is not limited to Deborah Menelaws. The "Jezebel" slur is one of his favourite accusations against any woman who stands against him.

Why does Prasch continue to rake up issues that David Nathan publicly repented of some time ago? (Acts 3:19; Colossians 2:14; Isaiah 43:25).

As far as I am concerned David Nathan's name is cleared on all counts, with one exception - I still have reservations about his teaching on the millennium. However we must not forget that Jacob Prasch was in full agreement with David Nathan on this subject. After reading BW Newton, I now understand more fully the negative ramifications associated with salvation by grace ending upon Christ's return. {2}

Deborah's response:

Above - Jacob Prasch, David Nathan and Marco Quintana are all in agreement, i.e. after the rapture of the church, the age of grace comes to an end:

Jacob Prasch: "Once the harpazo transpires, the Lord will refocus His primary intentions on the salvation of Israel, although not salvation in the sense that we understand it, not by grace, it will ?? revert back to the Old Testament way of dealing with man and the nations."

David Nathan re-emphasises Prasch's point: "After the rapture, the age of dispensation of grace as we know it, the church age is over. From that moment until the end of the millennium, everything reverts back under law. There is no salvation in the sense of being adopted, being part of the family of God. The Jews and those in the millennium will become the people of God and not the family of God. Everything reverts back under old covenant. So when Jesus comes, that's it, salvation, as we understand it, by grace is over. That is why the parables of the marriage feast in Matthew 22 and in 25 says that when the door is shut, no one else can come in. If you don't have a wedding garment on, in other words, garments made of white by the blood of the Lamb ?? any other garment, you are going to get kicked out. So when the Lord returns, He comes for his bride, there are not two weddings. There is one wedding for one bride at one time in history. You are either in it or you are not. After that, everything goes back under Law."

Jacob Prasch nods at various points and is in full agreement with everything David Nathan says.

Jacob Prasch: "The wedding is the same as the door being shut in Noah's ark."

The statement that millennial Jews and Gentiles will not be saved under grace because the marriage feast is over is extremely problematic. Are not Israel regarded corporately as God's wife during the millennium? (Isaiah 54:5; 62:5; Hosea 2:16). {1}

Fake Jew Jacob Prasch is a proven false teacher whose deluded claim to have "the ministry of Elijah" is utterly absurd.

1. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/04/jacob-prasch-david-nathan-marco.html
2. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/05/jacob-prasch-millennial-views-tainted.html

FELLOWSHIP BIBLE CHAPEL FALL PROPHECY CONFERENCE Q&A: CHARLES COOPER CONCERNS

2019 10 12 FBC Prophecy Session Five - Cooper, Kurschner, Haller and Clapham
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXJKrPqYIUc

As a prewrath proponent, I had very high hopes of this conference at Fellowship Bible Chapel in Ohio. The speakers were Alan Kurschner, Charles Cooper, Mike Clapham and John Haller. Alan Kurschner is something of a prewrath expert and the go-to person on this subject. I have only recently heard of Charles Cooper and Mike Clapham. Charles Cooper is described as ".. an author, lecturer and church consultant, and is also the founder and director of the Prewrath Resource Institute of Orlando, FL" {1}

I am concentrating this post on Session Five, i.e. the Q&A session at the end of the Prophecy Conference. Sadly, the session was rather badly managed with Cooper dominating the panel discussion with questionable eisegeses and various lapses into extraneous anecdotes. It would have been better to have had more input from the other speakers.

Cooper answered the first question (paraphrased for clarity): "What physical preparations should Christians make for the great tribulation?" Cooper on provisions: "If you only have one cupful of meal in a barrel, God will refill that cup every day.. While " ..nothing will be impossible with God (Luke 1:37), there is no indication in the scriptures that the word of Elijah the prophet for a specific situation in the OT will be applicable to Christians during the great tribulation. (1 Kings 17:14-16; Romans 8:35). Cooper: "The only thing you are going to need is a bible." Cooper went on to say that Christians would need a bible made of a material such as leather or plastic that would not easily be destroyed by water or heat. I do not know that such an item exists. These irrational remarks set the tone for Cooper's further questionable responses during the session.

Cooper completely dismissed the question about the identity of the Restrainer (2 Thessalonians 2:4). (7:45). I do not think that the identity of the Restrainer should be a point of contention, with one proviso. When various teachers insist that the Restrainer is the Holy Spirit, there are ramifications. This view forms an important part of the pre-trib argument and it has also been utilised by Jacob Prasch to form part of his flawed intra-seal theory.

Cooper identified the apostasy of 2 Thessalonians 2:3, not to the professing church, but specifically to Israel. (14:00). Cooper: "Professing people cannot commit apostasy." This sounds like the 'once saved always saved' error. Apostate Israel does not make sense within the context of Matthew 24:9-12. In context Jesus spoke about the persecution and martyrdom of his followers. Matthew 24:10. And then (at that time) many will fall away.. Matthew 24:12: ".. the love of most will grow cold. But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved." (Matthew 13:21, 57). Revelation 12:13-14 tells us that the dragon (Satan) will persecute the woman (Israel), that a remnant will flee and will be nourished and protected for 3.5 years in the wilderness i.e. the period of the great tribulation. Zechariah 13:8-9: In the whole land, declares the LORD, two thirds shall be cut off and perish, and one third shall be left alive. (cf. Jeremiah 30:7). If one third of the Jews are protected in the wilderness (Petra?), and two thirds perish, then who amongst the Jews are left to apostatize? In any event, how can unconverted Jews apostatize from something they have never believed in?

Cooper stated that the cleansing of the church will occur before the great tribulation! (22:00). When Cooper refers to "the church", he includes the apostate church, which he claims will be drastically reduced prior to the tribulation. However, the scriptures state that apostasy will increase in the last days. (Matthew 24:12; 1 Timothy 4:1-3; 2 Timothy 4:3-4; Revelation 3:14-22).

Regarding the third temple: I agree with the literal interpretation of the third temple. (2 Thessalonians 2:4; Matthew 24:15). Cooper: "If Antichrist takes his seat in a place and desecrates it, it has to be holy because God makes it holy.. When Antichrist takes his seat, he is going to take a seat in a holy place, and the only way it can be holy is that God makes it so." (33:00).  My problem with this view is that since the third temple is not divinely sanctified, then how can it be holy prior to the point when the Antichrist takes his seat there? From what I gather, the third temple will be ecumenical.. is this not a desecration, and is not the Dome of the Rock a desecration of the Temple Mount? The glory of the LORD came on Solomon's temple. (2 Chronicles 5:13-14 cf. Exodus 40:35; Zechariah 8:3). A principal theme in the book of Ezekiel is the departure and eventual return of God's glory to Jerusalem. Stephen proclaimed the truth that God no longer dwells in temples made with hands (Acts 7:48). Coopers statements are very confusing on this subject.

Regarding Jesus' return with the armies of heaven (Revelation 19:14-15) Cooper: "I am not convinced at all that the bride accompanies Him at that event.. I think the bride comes down in the New Jerusalem.. I don't think she descends with Him coming to do battle.." Cooper does not recognise the relevance of the "bride to armies" metaphors. (46:00).

There are problems with this view:

After the rapture, the glorified saints will always be with the Lord:

Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. (1 Thessalonians 4:17).

And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. (Revelation 19:14). This verse follows the description of the Bride in Revelation 19:8: ..it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure— for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints. 

Cambridge Bible: "fine linen, white and clean] The dress of Angels in St Matthew 28:3 and parallels, Acts 1:10; but of Saints in this Book, Revelation 3:4, Revelation 7:9, and probably Revelation 4:4 : compare the almost exactly similar words of Revelation 19:8." {2}

The "bride to armies" metaphors are not inexplicable actually - the bride is often referred to in terms of an army as per the following examples:

Ephesians 6:10-17 - ..put on the full armour of God..
Romans 13:12 - So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armour of light.
2 Corinthians 10:4 - For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds.

1 Timothy 6:12 - Fight the good fight of the faith..  

I won't go into Cooper's opinions about the mark of the beast. (48:30). However, Mike Clapham made an interesting observation earlier on in the session about the apostasy of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (10:30) i.e. that kai (and) links the man of lawlessness with the apostasy: For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.. I agree that there is a connection between the apostasy and the man of lawlessness, but unless I am mistaken, the scriptures indicate that the mark of the beast occurs later than the mid point of the 70th week. The message of the third angel of Revelation 14:6-9 warns people of the consequences of worshipping the beast and its image and receiving the mark. This indicates that the mark is not yet compulsory? The time line indicates that prior to the third angels warning, the false prophet deceives those who dwell on the earth by performing great signs. After the people are deceived by the signs, the false prophet instructs them to make an image for the beast. The third element, the mark i.e. the name of the beast or the number of its name, appears to coincide with the image of the beast. It is unlikely that the angels proclamation of the gospel worldwide, and the third angels dire warnings about worshipping the beast and its image, and taking the mark are made ex post facto. I have gone into this scenario more thoroughly elsewhere and I have inserted two links at the end of this post.

During the prayer at the end of the session, Cooper decided to rebuke cancer in a woman's liver (I gather that it was a woman attending the conference). He went on to rebuke Satan himself and commanded the cancer to withdraw. (1:22). I do not doubt that the Lord heals, but I have seen too much of this sort of thing in the Pentecostal/Charismatic churches and I have become jaded by all the drama. (Jude 1:9).

I am rather troubled by the sloppy interpretations of Charles Cooper. I associate faulty eisegeses on this level with charismania. My concern is that others will also pick up on these problems and that the prewrath position will be impeded. Prewrath has hitherto been blessed with careful exegeses from Robert Van Kampen, Marvin Rosenthal, Alan Kurschner and others.

1. https://www.alankurschner.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Prewrath-Conference-2019.pdf
2. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/revelation/19-14.htm

The Mark Of The Beast:
https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-mark-of-beast.html
https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/02/the-mark-of-beast-two-witnesses.html

JACOB PRASCH: SMOKE AND MIRRORS!

Prasch: "..the angel of the Lord is the Metatron, and we know that's the Messiah, we know that's Jesus".



Whether fake Jew Jacob Prasch's problems as a serial liar are due to mental illness or demonic activity I cannot say. In any event, Prasch does need to be exposed as a very dangerous false teacher.. and now that this Metatron lie has surfaced, I hope and pray that his remaining followers will take heed at long last.

Prasch’s teaching in September on the Metatron was recorded at Community Church of Devore. How many Orthodox Jews need converting there? It is a stretch to say that this teaching was for evangelistic purposes.. it was delivered to a western non-Messianic congregation.

I can verify Frank Rogers' findings that the phrase "middle of the throne" is not found in the Old Testament book of Isaiah at all! Prasch's claim that this phrase is found in Isaiah 5:6 is completely false:

I will make it a waste;
it shall not be pruned or hoed,
and briers and thorns shall grow up;
I will also command the clouds

that they rain no rain upon it.

(Isaiah 5:6)

The context of Isaiah 5:1-7 is The Song of the Vineyard (cf. Luke 13:6-9).
Israel is the Lord's vineyard. 
Isaiah 5:2 refers to "the middle of the vineyard".  

" I built a watchtower in the MIDDLE.." = μέσῳ (mesō) (Isaiah 5:2)

Prasch accuses his critics of ignorance, and he claims that mesō (μέσῳ) is a synonym for meta (μετά).

The preposition μετά = with, among, after or beyond.. {1}  

The adjective/neuter noun μέσῳ = middle, in the midst (every occurrence). {2} 

Revelation 4:5 has neither μετά or μέσῳ, rather the Greek text says θρόνου ενωπιον = "before the throne."

From the throne came flashes of lightning, and rumblings and peals of thunder, and before the throne were burning seven torches of fire, which are the seven spirits of God, (Revelation 4:5).

Revelation 4:6 refers to four living creatures in the middle (μέσῳ) of the throne:

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/4-6.htm

The only verses in Revelation that refer to μέσῳ/μέσον τοῦ θρόνου in relation to Jesus Christ are Revelation 5:6 (μέσῳ) and Revelation 7:17 (μέσον). {3} The adjective μέσος, η, ον denotes location. Jesus Christ is literally located in the middle of the throne. The adjective μέσῳ is not a synonym for the preposition μετά.

And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. (Revelation 5:6).

Pulpit Commentary: "The repetition of 'in the midst' is a Hebraism (cf. Genesis 1:4, 6, 7, LXX.)." {4}

THE CONTEXT!

Wesley's Notes: "5:6 And I saw - First, Christ in or on the midst of the throne; secondly, the four living creatures making the inner circle round him; and, thirdly, the four and twenty elders making a larger circle round him and them.." {5} 

1. https://biblehub.com/greek/3326.htm
2. https://biblehub.com/greek/meso__3319.htm
3. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/5-6.htm
4. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/pulpit/revelation/5.htm
5. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/wes/revelation/5.htm

FURTHER INFORMATION:

The Appeal and danger of Moriel - Michael Rogers from Closingstages.net
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaTqaYtHz5M&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3Eesd2xhgB0abQiNhCRjoyzeOK6l0NBvnkY6Me1nr6STgpfpaZ-C4ag1c