MIKE WINGER: THE FOLLY OF SEEKING TO RESTORE FALSE PROPHETS TO MINISTRY

(17) Bethel Insider Asks Accountability For False Prophet: Will Bethel Respond? - YouTube

I watched all three hours of this video. The comprehensive exposure of Shawn (Smartphone) Bolz and the monumental cover-up by Chris Vallotton, Bill Johnson, and other Bethel leaders was informative but unsurprising.

Where I came unstuck with Winger's video was the protracted personal appeals of Elijah Stephens to Bolz and Bethel leaders to take accountability and to reform their ministries. 

See the time stamps below.

1:54:42 Part 7. Taking Accountability 

2:06:55 Part 8. Elijah's Message to Bill Johnson 

2:21:07 THIRTY DAY DEADLINE for Bethel 

2:30:09 Part 9. Elijah's Message to Kris Vallotton 

2:56:26 Part 10. Elijah's Message to Shawn Bolz 

3:00:40 Part 11. Exposing Sexual Predators and Frauds in the Renewal Movement 

3:09:27 Elijah's Final Appeal

Winger: "This video is made to help stir up positive change in the movement."  Doesn't Winger know that Bolz and Bethel are utterly disqualified? I feel that Stephen's perception of these NAR false teachers and his hope that they will change is unrealistic and extremely naive. Even if they do repent, they should never assume the role of teachers or leaders within the body of Christ. 

Why is an appeal for change unbiblical?  

People have been calling out the leadership of Bethel Church for many years, and yet they have continued in their folly. ..while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. (2 Timothy 3:13). Bethel is known for engaging in heretical New Age teaching, false prophecies, alleged angel feathers, gold dust, glory clouds, grave sucking and all kinds of abominations. Similarly, Bolz has been engaged in data mining and false prophecy for years and has done inestimable damage to those he has deceived.

A question for Mike Winger: At what point do we reject false teachers/prophets? 

Winger's weak approach is unacceptable, unbiblical, and shows little regard for the sheep. The scriptures do not recognize false teachers/prophets as true believers and commands authentic Christians to mark and avoid them. 

As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned. (Titus 3:10-11).

If your brother sins against you, go and confront him privately. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. / But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ / If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, regard him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. (Matthew 18:15-17).

Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to keep away from any brother who leads an undisciplined life that is not in keeping with the tradition you received from us. (2 Thessalonians 3:6)

But now I am writing you not to associate with anyone who claims to be a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a verbal abuser, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. (1 Corinthians 5:11).

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. (Romans 16:17-18).

If anyone comes to you but does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home or even greet him. / Whoever greets such a person shares in his evil deeds. (2 John 1:10-11).

..having a form of godliness but denying its power. Turn away from such as these! (2 Timothy 3:5).

Anthony Wade (The Scattered Sheep Podcast) makes some excellent points and challenges the inadequate response of Winger and 'The Minor Prophets': Stop Trying to Salvage Charismania - Examining Videos from Mike Winger & The Minor Prophets

LARRY WESSELS (CANSWERSTV) RABID CALVINISM VS CROOKED TV EVANGELISTS

Why People Don't Want What the Bible Says But Prefer Money Grubbing TV Evangelists Who Lie Instead.

This video appears to consist of excerpts from a 2009 debate between Steve McCalip and Larry Wessels in which Wessels' views are shown exclusively.1 A debate is a discussion in which opposing arguments are put forward. I have never watched a "debate" where we do not get to hear the opposing arguments!

Pitting Calvinism against TV evangelists is something of a misnomer. Many Christians who reject Calvinism, including myself, also reject the ministries of Billy Graham, CS Lewis, and the ecumenical NAR Word-faith TV evangelists. Given the plethora of false teachings circulating within various denominations, it may seem right to run to Calvinism as a place of safety. However, to put one's faith into the teachings of John Calvin is to lunge from one false teaching to another. The "true gospel" minus the distortions of Calvinism can only be found in the scriptures. (2 Timothy 3:16). 

Wessels: "Did Jesus die for everybody who ever lived?" (in contrast to "limited atonement")

..even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many (ἀντὶ πολλῶν).” (Matthew 20:28 cf. Matthew 26:28; John 10:15; 1 Timothy 2:6; 1 John 2:2; 2 Cornithians 5:14-15, Hebrews 2:9).  

Meyer: "ΠΟΛΛῶΝ] The vicarious death of Jesus may be described as having taken place for all (Romans 5:18; 1 Timothy 2:6; 1 John 2:2), or for many (so also Matthew 26:28; Hebrews 9:28), according as we regard it as an objective fact (that fact being: Jesus has given His life a ransom for all men), or look at it in relation to the subjective appropriation of its results on the part of individuals (which happens only in the case of believers). So in the present case, where, accordingly, πολλῶν is to be understood as meaning all who believe now and will believe hereafter. (John 17:20)."2 

Wessels: "Due to their carnal pride, men naturally object to God's power and sovereignty.. especially in the area of salvation.. and (they) try to say that God loves everybody equally and God wants everybody to be saved."

Many Old Testament passages teach that God hates sinners or evil and wicked people. (e.g. Leviticus 20:23; Psalm 11:5; 26:5; Proverbs 6:16-19; 16:5; Hosea 9:10-15 and Malachi 1:2-3.) Nevertheless, God rescued the wicked city of Nineveh when the people repented. (Jonah 3:6-10). The New Testament asserts that God loves the world and that Jesus died for the sins of the world. (e.g. John 3:16; Romans 5:8;1 John 4:16; 1 John 4:10). The denial that repentance and faith are the key factors that take sinners from the status of God's enemies to his beloved children is perverse. There are many examples in the scriptures where repentance and faith are required as a condition of salvation. (Romans 5:10).

   

First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all.. (1 Timothy 2:1-6).

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. (2 Peter 3:9).

Wessels: "It is the sinner, not God, who secures salvation...God offers everyone a chance as if he owed it to everyone or anyone, leaving the sinner the work of saving himself by 'accepting Christ'. From this theory, God does not save anyone in particular, just anyone who will have Him. ..This would then make God a respecter of persons, choosing people to be saved based on their own efforts to attain salvation..  Does God choose people to be saved on their own efforts.. 

The idea that repentance and faith are works is often touted by Calvinists. However, the scriptures are unequivocal: God commands all people everywhere to repent. (Acts 17:30). The New Testament affirms that we are saved by grace through faith.. not by works. (Ephesians 2:8-9). Repentance and faith are two sides of the same coin. Salvation involves deep conviction and revulsion of sin and requires faith in Jesus Christ. Romans 4:5 debunks the false assumption that faith is a work: And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness.

The argument that "God is a respecter of persons" because He accepts repentant sinners is totally perverse and wicked. God gives everyone the opportunity to repent, taking no account of status or anything else. The saying, "God is no man's debtor" is based on Romans 11:35. God is sovereign and self-sufficient. He does not rely on humanity for anything, and he has no obligation to save us. Salvation is based on God's grace and unmerited favour. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. (John 3:16). Because of His love, God has reached out to humanity with the gospel. Nevertheless, He requires a response. For some twisted reason, Calvinists equate human response to the gospel with works. But that view goes against the scriptures. (Acts 3:19,20:21,26:20; 2 Corinthians 7:10; Mark 1:15; Revelation 9:21; Luke 5:32,13:3, 24:47; Matthew 3:2 etc.)

Wessels: "If this theory is true, then John the Baptist must have 'accepted Christ' in the womb."

..for he will be great before the Lord. And he must not drink wine or strong drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb.. And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the baby leaped in her womb. (Luke 1:15,41,44).

The gifts of the Holy Spirit are distributed according to God's will. (Hebrews 2:4). In other words, John did not make a conscious decision to leap in his mother's womb in recognition of Jesus as the Messiah; rather, the Holy Spirit came upon John in a specific way when Mary greeted Elizabeth. The pre-birth filling of John the Baptist is unparalleled, indicating John's pivotal role in preparing the way for Jesus Christ. (Malachi 4:5-6; Isaiah 40:3). The Holy Spirit subsequently filled Elizabeth and Mary, both of whom prophesied. We should understand that the conception, birth, and life of John the Baptist was anything but normative. John's recognition of Jesus came by divine revelation when he was baptizing: Then John testified, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove and resting on Him. I myself did not know Him, but the One who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit descend and rest is He who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ I have seen and testified that this is the Son of God.” John 1:32-34).

Wessel's insistence that God's offer of salvation to all/everyone does not mean all/everyone (contingent upon repentance and faith) is profoundly dishonoring to God and, in my view, is a blasphemous misuse of His name! (Exodus 20:7).

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.” (John 3:16-21).

1. McCalip/Wessels Debate on Calvinism's Limited Atonement Part 1 of 24
2. Matthew 20:28 Commentaries: just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."

SHANE IDLEMAN LEAVING CHARISMANIA!

Pastor’s Shocking Announcement “I’m Leaving the Charismatic Community‼️”

Shane Idleman is the pastor of Westside Christian Fellowship in Leona Valley, CA. The above clip has gone viral on YouTube. The full video can be viewed on: The Day The Fire Fell | Pastor Shane Idleman 

Idleman sums up the sickening state of many charismatic leaders, and he reflects the feelings of many bible believing Christians and our utter disgust and rejection of false NAR "prophets" and "apostles". The scriptures tell us that God desires truth in the inward being, and yet we are witnessing the very antithesis of truth within many so-called "churches". (Psalm 51:6; John 4:24).

Idleman: "I am withdrawing from the charismatic community.. I am tired of all this stuff we see in the news. I am tired of these false prophets. I am tired of all these people saying it's 'revival' and asking people for money. I am tired of everything we are seeing in the media. Its about protecting an image and we need to get back to brokenness and humility.. you see all these fake prophetic words, all this jockeying for position.. They miss it, they are not even close. It's all about a platform and not about brokenness and humility and that's why it's a scam to many people. We see this weird stuff going on. I don't want to fake. I don't want to fabricate anything. I don't want to have a fake healing. I don't want to put gold dust or glitter in the vent fans. I don't want to have a little box up there dropping feathers, 'angel feathers'. People are sick of the phony and they need the authentic.." 

I know very little about Idleman, and I reserve judgement on his ministry at the present time. Regarding eschatology, Idleman is "pan-trib". He has obviously done some research, but he has failed to come to a conclusion on the rapture question due to the bewildering array of views being circulated.1  I find his honesty on this subject refreshing, and I can relate, as I was in a similar position prior to coming to understand the prewrath view.  

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. (2 Peter 1-3).

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. (Romans 16:17-18).  

1. Rapture Anxiety by Shane Idleman

What is Prewrath

REVELATION TV: HOWARD CONDER'S UNACCOUNTABILITY AND RAPTURE CONFUSION

Spain - the elephant in the room    

Over the years, many people who should have known better have indulged Howard Conder in his alleged "vision". Various "prophecies" from wolves Jean Darnell, Jonathan David, Sharon Stone, and Noel Woodroffe have failed spectacularly,* and RTV's Spanish studios are apparently up for sale. Anyone who declares a false prophecy takes the Lord's name in vain. (Exodus 20:7). In the Old Testament, false prophecy carried the death penalty. (Deuteronomy 13:5,18:20). In the New Testament, we are not instructed to execute false teachers/prophets, but rather to mark and avoid them. (Romans 16:17). In other words, God has zero tolerance of false prophets. Those who have sounded the alarm about Conder over the years have been accused of spreading "malicious gossip, false accusations, and outright lies".1  At this point, I can confirm that those who expressed serious concerns about Conder have been vindicated. The obvious question is: Where is Conder's integrity, and why is no one at RTV holding him to account? As a "Christian", Conder should be providing answers to the many people who gave to RTV's Spanish studios in response to their interminable requests for money for his grandiose "vision", complete with "words from the Lord". I wonder, will Conder reimburse those who sacrificially gave to his white elephant if and when the Spanish studios are sold? 

Given his zero credibility, it is extraordinary that Conder and his associates at RTV continue to release videos criticizing the government, offering prophetic insights into current events, and generally dispensing their dubious "wisdom" to all and sundry. It should go without saying that no reputable bible teacher should associate with Conder and RTV. “Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.” (Ephesians 5:11).  

The Rapture Debate - Revelation TV    

Below are some brief comments on the rapture debate held on May 30, 2025, between Derek Walker of Oxford Bible Church (pretrib) and former Lieutenant Colonel John Campbell (posttrib), moderated by Tim Vince. These men are old associates of Conder and have apparently buried their heads in the sand regarding Spain, while continuing to indulge Conder's dubious "ministry".

Like other pretrib teachers, Derek Walker makes the assumption that the 70th week of Daniel is the period of the tribulation. However, in the Olivet discourse, Jesus indicated that the tribulation follows the abomination of desolation event at the midpoint of the 70th week. (Matthew 24:15-21). The tribulation is variously described in the scriptures as: a time, times, and half a time (3.5 years), Daniel 7:25; forty-two months, Revelation 11:12, 13:5; 1,260 days, Revelation 12:5-6 cf. Daniel 12:1; Jeremiah 30:7;half a week Daniel 9:27.2  

Furthermore, the description of the 70th week of Daniel as "the day of the Lord" is problematic. Both Walker and Campbell make this mistake. The day of the Lord begins after the tribulation and is the specific period of God's direct wrath upon the earth. This period begins following the cosmic disturbances and the rapture, between the sixth and seventh seal of Revelation, and involves the trumpet and bowl judgements. (Revelation 8-9,11; Revelation 15-16). Those who do not distinguish between the tribulation and the day of the Lord's wrath do not take account of the difference between orgē (wrath) and thlipsis (tribulation) in the Greek text. 

Immediately after the tribulation (thlipsis) of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Matthew 24:29-31).

When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slaved and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of their wrath (orgē) has come, and who can stand?” (Revelation 6:12-17).

The fallacy of imminence)

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. (John 14:3).

The fallacy of imminence is the common assumption of pretrib teachers. Walker points out that the phrase 'I will come again', literally ἔρχομαι, I am coming again in John 14:3 is in the present tense, and he suggests that this indicates imminence. Walker: "The futuristic of the present tense expresses imminence". The problem with dissecting the Greek text is that we sometimes lose the context. The sentence continues: I will take you (παραληψομαι) to myself in the future tense. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 are obvious future statements:

For the Lord Himself will descend (καταβήσεται) from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise (ἀναστήσονται). (1 Thessalonians 4:16).

Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed (αλλαγησομεθα), in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound (σαλπίσει), and the dead will be raised (ἐγερθήσονται) imperishable, and we shall be changed (ἀλλαγησόμεθα). (1 Corinthians 15:51-52). 

In John 14:3, the phrases if I go (πορευθῶ), and I will prepare (ετοιμασω) are aorist passive deponent subjunctive verbs. In other words, Jesus is speaking in the subjunctive mood, which is abstract. Some teachers get very bogged down in Greek grammar in order to prove a point when the meaning of the text is clear in other passages. Certainly, John 14:3 does not express imminence. 

Who are the 24 elders?

Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and seated on the thrones were twenty-four elders, clothed in white garments, with golden crowns on their heads. (Revelation 4:4).

The argument that the twenty-four elders represent the church is based on a single verse of scripture. However, the "great multitude" (the redeemed) in Revelation 7 contradicts this view.

After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands.. Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?” I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. (Revelation 7:9,13-14). 

Revelation 5:8-11 and different interpretations

And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying,“Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation, and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth.” (Revelation 5:8-11).

The KJV differs from the majority of bible versions: ..And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Alan Kurschner argues for the third person as the correct interpretation of the ransomed, as against the first person in Revelation 5:8-11. Instead of "made us a kingdom" and "we shall reign on the earth", according to Kurschner, the best and oldest manuscripts use the third person "them" and "they".3 If this interpretation is correct, the twenty-four elders are not included in the ransomed people of God.

Kurschner's argument is confirmed by various commentaries:

Pulpit Commentary: "And didst redeem unto God by thy blood out of every kindred, etc. Though the reading 'us' is supported by various manuscripts, and similarly the first person is used in ver. 10. yet, on the whole, it seems better to omit it, the phrase being taken in a partitve sense - 'Thou didst redeem unto God by thy blood some out of every kindred, etc., and hast made them, etc., and they shall reign.'"4

Cambridge Bible: "us] Should be omitted. The elders probably represent the whole multitude of the redeemed, but they are not here said to belong to their number, and the living creatures certainly do not. The true reading is, 'Thou wast slain, and hast purchased to God by Thy Blood out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nations, and hast made them unto our God a kingdom and priests, and they [shall] reign upon the earth.'”4

 
Walker's argument that the twenty-four elders represent the church fails on a number of levels. As demonstrated above, the majority of bible versions differentiate between the twenty-four elders and the church. Additionally, the KJV describes the four living creatures as "redeemed". However, the four living creatures are angelic beings who are not part of the redeemed church.

Satan is a master of deception and specialises in raising false hopes. I believe the pretrib rapture is a very dangerous doctrine that will leave believers bewildered, shaken, and unprepared when the tribulation occurs and they face the Antichrist. This is the very outcome that pretrib believers have been promised deliverance from, and their faith is likely to be shaken, perhaps irreparably. (Matthew 24:10).

John Campbell presents a very emotional view of the posttrib rapture view. He speaks about "receiving a revelation" and being "overwhelmed by the Spirit", among other things. I do not necessarily dismiss Campbell's spiritual experience, but relying on personal experience is a very unreliable way of determining truth. (1 John 4:1). I also question Campbell's view that there will be the "largest harvest ever" during the seven years he erroneously describes as the "tribulation". I do not see this in the scriptures. Rather, it appears that the masses will be sent a great delusion by God and will follow the beast. (2 Thessalonians 2:8-11; Revelation 13:3-4,7). A significant reason that many will follow the Antichrist is that no one will be able to buy or sell without taking the mark of the beast. (Revelation 13:7). The statement that believers will be supernaturally protected during the tribulation is, in my view, also false. The scriptures speak of persecution, apostasy, and spiritual deception:“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name’s sake. And then many will fall away and betray one another, and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. (Matthew 24:9-11). My understanding is that the tribulation i.e., the final 3.5 years of the 70th week of Daniel, will be an exceptionally difficult and testing time, and believers will need to endure this period. (Matthew 24:13; Revelation 14:12). 

It is beyond the scope of this post to go into the weaknesses of the posttrib rapture view. I recommend Alan Kurshner's compelling arguments on this subject: Articles for Posttribulationism to Consider | ESCHATOS MINISTRIES

The warning in the book of Revelation is taken very lightly by both Walker and Campbell, who apparently think it is acceptable to speculate. (Revelation 22:18-19). Those with questions about the timing of the rapture should give serious consideration to the prewrath writings of the early church fathers.5 The problems associated with other views simply disappear when one understands the prewrath position.

1. About - HowardConder.com

2. WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: THE SEVEN YEAR TRIBULATION FALLACY
3.Twenty Four Elders Archives | ESCHATOS MINISTRIES (alankurschner.com)
4. Revelation 5:9 Commentaries: And they sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. (biblehub.com)

5. https://www.alankurschner.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Prewrath-Early-Church-Fathers-Kurschner.pdf

* WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: REVELATION TV: SPAIN ~ HOWARD CONDER'S WHITE ELEPHANT

ONE CHURCH LEICESTER BREAKTHROUGH: JONATHAN CONRATHE

One Church Together | 18th May 2025, 11.30am

Breakthrough is an overused NAR buzzword exploited in hyper-charismatic circles. The believer who is having a problem with sin, relationships, finance, health, poor spiritual experience, etc., is a prime candidate for "breakthrough".  Whatever the problem, according to the NAR crowd, God has decided that it is a year or season of "breakthrough." There is not much attention given to difficult circumstances that God allows with the aim of bringing individual believers to maturity. (Hebrews 12:7; 2 Timothy 4:5). Things like endurance, perseverance, hardship, and God's discipline are definitely not on trend in the delusory world of the NAR. Breakthrough is also applied ad nauseam to what is anticipated as a massive end-time revival, aka "the billion soul harvest", originally prophesied by false prophet Bob Jones in 1975.1 Even though Jones was removed from ministry and his prophecy has been proven false, the fallacy of end-time revival continues to evolve amongst NAR false teachers. Significantly, neither Jesus nor Paul anticipated a worldwide revival. (Matthew 7:14, 24:10-14; Luke 18:8; 1 Timothy 4:1-2; 2 Timothy 3:1,13,3:2-5).

Jonathan Conrathe (Mission 24) hosts his own series of 'TBN Presents' on the apostate TV network TBNUK.2  Conrathe tells a lot of tall stories about his ministry abroad and talks about massive campaigns and thousands being saved, amazing miracles, etc. He even claims that in some instances, everyone was healed. We have no way of verifying these claims. (1 John 4:1). The NAR obsession with miraculous signs and wonders at the expense of sound biblical teaching has disastrous consequences for individual believers and congregations. Numerous sources indicate that many claims associated with this movement are exaggerated or fabricated. Haven't we heard exactly the same kinds of tall stories from Benny Hinn, Todd White, Emma Stark, Kathryn Krick, and many other exposed false prophets? These charlatans never fail to play the "God told me" card and the "God gave me a vision" card. (Matthew 7:22-23). Conrathe is simply regurgitating the false revival narrative that David Hind has repeated in his echo chamber of delusion for years. Hind, who claims to be an "apostolic leader of leaders", prophesied imminent revival in 2022, but we are still waiting! Conrathe: "This is Leicester's time, this is One Church's time. God is going to do an amazing thing amongst you and through you.. This is a crossover time in the Spirit for the One Church.. blah blah" 

After praising false "Apostle" Reinhard Bonnke3 and speaking in tongues without an interpretation, Conrathe launched into a lengthy endorsement of false NAR leader Carlos Annacondia, the figurehead of charismatic "revival" in Argentina. In reality, Annacondia has been spreading false teaching for years.

Apologetics Coordination Team: "This paper is an update of events happening in Singapore and Asia as we also noted the many problems brought about by those seeking to promote 'heresies' and misguided truths into unsuspecting Asia. Many known 'charismatic' speakers such as Ed Silvoso, Carlos Annacondia, Peter Wagner, Sergio Scataglini and others have been invited by these 'churches' to influence even the main stream churches with many unbiblical teachings and new-age teachings concerning healings, 'miracle gold teeth filling', 'imparted 100% Holiness', 'Territorial spirits', 'Prayer Walking', demons in headaches that need casting out, and many more such unsound teachings. They have even used the Bible Study Small Groups and have renamed them 'cell groups' to further their materials which they print and sell to unsuspecting local churches and bookshops. They sell, 'anointing oil claiming magical powers', promote 'slain in the spirit' which is unbiblical and cultish, and practice 'false teachings and taking the Bible verses out-of-context'. Even local pastors have fallen for the con and some have now picked up 'slaying' as their normal service instead of sound preaching of God's Word. They have followed the paths of false prophets and false teachers..
Faith Community Baptist Church (FCBC) who is the main church distributing cell church materials to the world has a web site which has claimed gold teeth miracles, visions, dreams, etc. in their organization. FCBC may be linked to Lighthouse and involved with Third Wave luminaries like C. Peter Wagner, Jack Deere, Paul Yonggi Cho, Ed Silvoso, and Carlos Annacondia. Annacondia recently visited Singapore and is supported by many charismatic churches including Third Wave churches which have been influenced and penetrated by these groups. When Rodney Howard-Browne and Robert Schuller visited Singapore many pastors, including those from FCBC went to their meetings..
The leaders who visit Singapore often leave to visit other Asian countries, boasting of visiting churches in Singapore and sharing many ridiculous claims of healings, miracles, etc. There is a great struggle in Singapore. Pray for us and for people who love the LORD that they will expose these fakes and bring them to answer for 'deceiving the people'. We see this as the only viable step to counter the inflooding of materials that promote devilish teachings."4 

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. (Romans 16:17-18).

1. Rick Joyner reveals Bob Jones’ Billion Soul Prophecy is false.
2. TBN UK :: Series
3. The legacy of Reinhard Bonnke.
4. Report From Singapore

BLASPHEMER JIMMY EVANS: "JESUS WAS WRONG"

Jimmy Evans continues to lead naive believers astray as his dangerous fixation on radical "submission" to apostate leaders remains unchecked despite the negative publicity he received last year following the Daystar train wreck. Evans should have repented and stepped down following his disgraceful behavior including threats against Jonathan and Suzi Lamb when he claimed that Joni Lamb was "the voice of God at Daystar."1 Evans' latest blasphemy is that he calls into question the very character of Jesus Christ! According to Evans, Jesus was wrong as a twelve-year-old boy when he remained behind in Jerusalem after the feast and did not accompany Mary and Joseph on their journey home. Evans: "You won't get everything God has unless you are submitted to authority. I will give you the example, Jesus, He was wrong, the Son of God.. he was very sincere, but he was wrong."  

And the Child grew and became strong. He was filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was upon Him.
Every year His parents went to Jerusalem for the Feast of the Passover. And when He was twelve years old, they went up according to the custom of the Feast.
When those days were over and they were returning home, the boy Jesus remained behind in Jerusalem, but His parents were unaware He had stayed. Assuming He was in their company, they traveled on for a day before they began to look for Him among their relatives and friends.
When they could not find Him, they returned to Jerusalem to search for Him. Finally, after three days they found Him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. And all who heard Him were astounded at His understanding and His answers.
When His parents saw Him, they were astonished. “Child, why have You done this to us?” His mother asked. “Your father and I have been anxiously searching for You.”
“Why were you looking for Me?” He asked. “Did you not know that I had to be in My Father’s house?” But they did not understand the statement He was making to them.
Then He went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. But His mother treasured up all these things in her heart.
And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man. (Luke 2:40-52).

Evans didn't even manage to get the basic details of the narrative correct. 

Evans: "After several days, they notice he is not there." It was after only one day that Mary and Joseph noticed Jesus was not amongst their company.  

Evans: "There was not a day when Jesus was not subject to Mary and God the Father..." The passage says that He was obedient to them i.e. Mary and Joseph. 

A more accurate translation is "I had to be in my Father's house. (ἐν τοῖς τοῦ πατρός μον). These are the first recorded words of Jesus. Note: "I had to be (δεῖ) in my Father's house"  (δεῖ - it is necessary). This verse indicates that Jesus' primary objective was to do His Father's will, perhaps despite anticipated objections from Mary and Joseph?

At twelve years old, Jesus was on the cusp of the Jewish bar mitzvah. Bar mitzvah is Hebrew for "son of commandment”. Within Judaism, a new status is conferred upon boys reaching the age of 13. This milestone marks a significant transition from boyhood to the rights and obligations of a Jewish adult, including the commandments of the Torah.2 This milestone was particularly significant for Jesus at the time of this incident.  

And he went down with them and came to Nazareth and was submissive to them. Jesus' obedience to His earthly parents until the appropriate time highlights His fulfillment of the Law, specifically the commandment to honor one's father and mother (Exodus 20:12). However, He put no special significance upon his earthly family during His ministry. (Luke 8:19-21).

According to Evans, God gave Mary special authority over Jesus' ministry. 

Evans: "God the Father co-parented Jesus with Mary. He disclosed something to Mary He didn't to Jesus.. At the wedding of Cana in Galilee, Jesus was thirty years old. He wasn't ready to go into the ministry. Mary told Him to make wine.. Jesus said 'woman what do I have to do with you.. get off my back, I'm a carpenter..' and Mary said, 'No honey, your ministry starts here today.'"

This reckless teaching exalts Mary beyond her actual role, with the obvious danger of leading people into Mariolatry. With such abysmal teaching being propagated by Evans and other false teachers, it is hardly surprising that many within the church are confused!

On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. Jesus also was invited to the wedding with his disciples. When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.” (John 2:1-5).

My hour has not yet come. The "hour" usually refers to the appointed time for Jesus' crucifixion and glorification, a theme that recurs throughout the Gospel of John (John 7:30,8:20,12:23). However, in this instance, and given the context, "my hour" appears to refer to Jesus' hour for being openly manifested as the Messiah. (cf. John 7:8). ὥρα (hour) refers to a definite space of time, a season, (b) an hour, (c) the particular time for anything.     

Gaebelein: "The words of rebuke to Mary clearly show that she erred and was as fallible as any other woman. The Lord rebuked her because He did not want her to interfere with Him and His work. 'She erred here, perhaps from an affectionate desire to bring honor to her Son, as she erred on other occasions. The words before us were meant to remind her that she must henceforth leave our Lord to choose His own times and modes of acting. The season of subjection to her and Joseph was over. The season of His public ministry had at length begun. In carrying on that ministry, she must not presume to suggest to Him. The utter contrariety of this verse to the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church about the Virgin Mary is too palpable to be explained away. She was not without error and sin, as Romish writers have dared to assert, and was not meant to be prayed to and adored. If our Lord would not allow His mother even to suggest to Him the working of a miracle, we may well suppose that all Roman Catholic prayers to the Virgin Mary, and especially prayers entreating her to ‘command her Son,’ are most offensive and blasphemous in His eyes.."3

Evans' previous track record and his attempt to sanctify the adulterous marriage of Joni Lamb, as well as his false teaching on remarriage, indicate that we are dealing with a wolf of the first order. Evans has influenced many naive believers to accept his blasphemous version of remarriage. 

Apart from the above disasters, Evans has awarded himself the grandiose but unbiblical title of "Apostolic Elder".4  Evans also peddles the false pretrib rapture and claims to be a "prophecy expert". He and fellow pretrib "prophecy expert" Mark Hitchcock have a close association and have authored a number of books together.5

Mark and avoid Jimmy Evans!

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. (Romans 16:17-18).

1. The Roys Report: Full Audio of Daystar Meeting
2. Bar Mitzvah: What It Is and How to Celebrate - A Jewish Boy's Coming of Age - Chabad.org
3. John 2 Gaebelein's Annotated Bible
4. Pastor Jimmy Evans Biography: Age, Net Worth, Family, Career and Achievements - PASTORS BIO
5. The Antichrist, Four Horsemen & Israel's Role in Tribulation | Jimmy Evans & Dr. Mark Hitchcock

7 Pretrib Problems and the Prewrath Rapture (Full Movie)

FRANKLIN GRAHAM'S ENDORSEMENT OF FALSEHOOD

Blessed is the man who has made the LORD his trust, who has not turned to the proud, nor to those who lapse into falsehood. (Psalm 40:4).  

The Treasury of David: "We must never pay deference to apostates, time-servers, and false teachers; they are an ill leaven, and the more we purge ourselves of them the better; they are blessed whom God preserves from all error in creed and practice. Judged by this verse, many apparently happy persons must be the reverse of blessed, for anything in the shape of a purse, a fine equipage, or a wealthy establishment, commands their reverence, whether the owner be a rake or a saint, an idiot or a philosopher. Verily, were the arch-fiend of hell to start a carriage and pair, and live like a lord, he would have thousands who would court his acquaintance."1 

Royals, dignitaries, and world leaders joined hundreds of thousands of mourners for the funeral of Pope Francis on Saturday, April 26. Roman Catholicism accounts for approximately 1,268,004,246 of the world's population and is the largest denomination of professing Christians.2  Although Roman Catholicism claims to be "orthodox" it has deceived millions of people into believing a false gospel. Until the Second Ecumenical Council of the Vatican, aka Vatican II (1962 to 1965), the RCC was considered apostate by all but liberals, largely due to the influence of 16th-century Reformers Martin Luther and John Calvin. The steady drift towards unity with Rome was hugely influenced by the compromise of Billy Graham in the mid-20th century. Billy Graham's son, Franklin Graham, and his daughter, Anne Graham Lotz, fully support the ecumenical agenda and are joined in their apostasy by neo-charismatic New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) leaders and other apostate denominations. These compromisers do not consider the huge implications of the RCC's drastic departure from the core tenets of biblical faith worth noting. 

Franklin Graham's participation and association with the RCC is perplexing given the biblical command to separate from apostates. (2 Corinthians 6:15-17). Roman Catholicism is an obvious false gospel based on a combination of faith plus works. (2 Corinthians 11:4-5). Faith plus works is a fundamental deviation from the core doctrine of the biblical faith. The apostle Paul taught that the basis of salvation is faith alone, and that works or good deeds are evidence of salvation.

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:8-9). 

The five solas laid down by the Reformers sum up the core tenets of orthodox faith:

* Sola gratia (by grace alone): Salvation is a gift from God, not earned by human effort.

* Solo Christo (on the basis of Christ alone): Christ's work is the only basis for justification.
* Sola fide (through the means of faith alone): We are justified by faith in Christ.
* Soli Deo gloria (to the ultimate glory of God alone): All glory belongs to God.

* Sola Scriptura (as taught with the final and decisive authority of Scripture alone): The Bible is the ultimate authority.

In addition to the RCC's heretical understanding of justification and salvation, several of their beliefs and practices are incompatible with biblical faith.

*  The RCC replaces Sola Scriptura with the authority of the Papacy and Papal infallibility. (Colossians 1:18).

*  Veneration of the saints and the assumption of Mary is blasphemous. 

*  In Protestant theology, only baptism and the Lord’s Supper are recognized as sacraments instituted by Christ. The RCC has added five further sacraments: Confirmation, Penance, Anointing of the Sick, Holy Orders, and Matrimony. The RCC views sacraments as necessary channels of grace administered by the church, whereas Protestants view grace as a gift received directly through faith in Christ. 

*  The RC unbiblical concept of purgatory and indulgences lacks scriptural basis.

The onus upon true Christian teachers is to reprove the RCC for their heresies, and yet Franklin Graham fraternizes with them, and in doing so, he embraces their lethal compromise. 

Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose (ἐλέγχετε) them. (Ephesians 5:11).

"..but rather expose them ἐλέγχετε] reprove -- To convict, to reprove, to expose, to refute, to correct."3  

Anyone who participates with and approves of false teachers should expect to share in their plagues!

These men are hidden reefs in your love feasts, shamelessly feasting with you but shepherding only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried along by the wind; fruitless trees in autumn, twice dead after being uprooted. They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever. (1 Jude 1:12).

1. Psalm 40 Treasury of David
2. Major Religious Groups in the World – 1945/2025 -
3. Strong's Greek: 1651. ἐλέγχω (elegchó) -- To convict, to reprove, to expose, to refute, to correct

5 Lies Pope Francis Believed About Himself

WHY NAR ESCHATOLOGY IS DANGEROUS

NAR eschatology presents a major paradigm shift from the eschatology found in the scriptures. The disparity between the scriptural account and "victorious eschatology" taught by false NAR dominionist "prophets" and "apostles" is a comprehensive departure from Jesus' teaching. This aberrant eschatology was introduced into Christian charismatic organizations by false "Apostle" C Peter Wagner (1930-2016). Wagner is well-known as the founder of the New Apostolic Reformation, a network in the Apostolic-Prophetic movement. NAR leaders vary in the details of their eschatological beliefs. However, in general terms, they have adopted a new optimistic eschatological revelation for the church, which they claim supersedes the scriptures and excludes the prewrath rapture of the church. (Matthew 24:31; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17). The NAR mandate involves removing "demonic forces" from worldly positions of power and replacing them with Christian "prophets and apostles" who will ultimately cause the kingdom of God to be established on the earth before Jesus' return. This agenda is known as the "seven mountain mandate" i.e., seven aspects of society that believers seek to dominate: family, religion, education, media, arts and entertainment, business, and government. Their agenda includes practicing various unbiblical "spiritual warfare" techniques, including "prayer walking", "spiritual mapping", and "prayer warriors" aggressively declaring various decrees against territorial strongholds held by demons to oust/destroy them from their alleged positions of authority. These practices supposedly facilitate "alignment with God" allowing the eradication of evil and the miraculous transformation of society, culminating in the ultimate merger of church and state. The reasoning behind victorious eschatology is that the church is given the mandate to take back dominion forfeited by Adam to Satan in the Garden of Eden. (Genesis 1:26-28). According to NAR doctrine, Jesus cannot, or will not, return until the church has achieved "your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven". (Matthew 6:10).1 In other words, NAR proponents separate Matthew 6:10 from the petitionary context of the Lord's prayer and reinvent it as a mandate to take dominion over the earth prior to Jesus' return. 

Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.*
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.

* may your kingdom come, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. (NET Bible)2

Jesus' command to "keep watch" in the Olivet Discourse

No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. And they were oblivious until the flood came and swept them all away. So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.

Therefore keep watch (γρηγορεῖτε), because you do not know the day on which your Lord will come. But understand this: If the homeowner had known in which watch of the night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. For this reason, you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour you do not expect. (Matthew 24:36-44).

The present active imperative verb γρηγορεῖτε  - watch, be vigilant, stay awake is a critical instruction to the church. Present active imperative verbs give commands. These commands have an imperfect aspect. In other words, they command an action to happen continuously or repeatedly. Γρηγορεῖτε is a recurring imperative in the New Testament that occurs frequently when associated with Christ's coming. (Matthew 24:42,25:13,26:38,26,41; Mark 13:35,37). The recurring emphasis of the command to watch relating to Christ's coming refutes those who claim that eschatology is a secondary issue! If believers are unaware of what they should watch for, how will they escape? Jesus repeated γρηγορεῖτε in the parable of the wise and foolish virgins:

Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’ Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ But the wise answered, saying, ‘Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.’ And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’ But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ Watch (γρηγορεῖτε) therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour. (Matthew 25:1-13).

Jesus parallels "the days of Noah" and the end of the age in the Olivet Discourse. Both periods are defined by wickedness, corruption, moral decay, spiritual apathy, and apostasy. 

The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. (Genesis 6:5).

NAR eschatology is incompatible with the book of Revelation. Revelation 13 describes the rise of the beast (the Antichrist) and the false prophet. And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?” (Revelation 13:4). 

Revelation 16 describes the kings of the earth being assembled by demons for the battle at Armageddon, followed by further exhortation to watch (γρηγορῶν) in Revelation 16:15.

The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east. And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs. For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty. (“Behold, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake (γρηγορῶν), keeping his garments on, that he may not go about naked and be seen exposed!”) And they assembled them at the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon. (Revelation 16:12-16).

Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords. (Revelation 19:11-16).

NAR deviation from scripture should alarm Christians who believe in the authority and inerrancy of the word of God as the basis for all matters of life and doctrine. (2 Timothy 3:16).  

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. (2 Peter 2:1 cf. Acts 20:29-20; Romans 16:17-18; 2 Timothy 4:3-4).

1. NAR "Apostle C. Peter Wagner teaching its key doctrine of Dominionism
2. Matthew 6:10 Your kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.

THE NAR BLIGHT: TODD WHITE EXPOSED

Mike Winger: "This video is dedicated to the victims of Todd White. The following info is from multiple eye-witnesses who have come forward to tell the truth about Todd White. I've met with them, confirmed their identities, seen the evidence that corroborates their testimonies, and believe that it's Christ-honoring to come forward and shout a warning to believers everywhere that Todd White is disqualified and dangerous.

You can download the open letter from whistleblowers about Todd White’s pathological lying and disqualifications from ministry. Link below." 

An-Open-Letter-to-the-Church-Concerning-Todd-White.pdf

Mike Winger's exposé of Todd White, founder and president of Lifestyle Christianity, Watauga, Texas, typifies the corruption of New Apostolic Reformation leaders. Todd White claims that he has not sinned since his conversion, but it appears that his entire life and ministry are defined by pathological lying and sin. (1 John 1:8). This latest exposure of yet another NAR wolf follows Mike Bickle, Robert Morris, Art Lucier, Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, Tony Evans, and many others.  

There has been some criticism of Mike Winger due to his previous affirmation of Todd White as "sincere" and a "brother in Christ". Winger's unfortunate indulgence of NAR heretics has caused consternation in some quarters, and rightly so. Todd White is definitely not a "brother in Christ". (Matthew 7:23). There are also concerns about anonymous whistleblowers. I hope these individuals will have the courage to identify themselves; there is no such thing as an anonymous witness in the bible. The Body of Christ needs full disclosure in order to evaluate these claims. A further problem is that the whistleblowers have been accused of validating White's doctrine. Their statement appears to be limited to the affirmation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. However, I think we need clarification on this crucial point since false doctrine negatively impacts integrity and character. (1 Timothy 4:1-2; 2 Timothy 2:16-18; Titus 1:10-11). 

Whistleblowers: "It is important to clarify that our concerns with Todd are not regarding the doctrine of the gifts of the Spirit, miracles, or signs and wonders—we believe in these wholeheartedly. Rather, our concerns lie with Todd’s integrity and character, which we find increasingly troubling."

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. (Romans 16:17-18).

EMMA STARK INGESTS A JEZEBEL DEMON SANDWICH!

Cast Demons Out Of Your Food | Power Hour Episode 318

GPA: "Do you suffer from food allergies, gut problems or issues with food? Join the prophets for a mighty hour of deliverance as we cast demons out of food. Deep dive into scripture, and move with the Holy Spirit in healing as we listen to what God is saying today."

Emma Stark is one of the bottom feeders of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) cesspit. She takes a prize for one of the worst false "prophets" imaginable due to her abundance of low hanging rotten fruit. Incredibly, she has 66.9K subscribers who apparently do not know their right hand from their left. (Jonah 4:11). 

In the New Testament, demons aka unclean spirits inhabited people. (Matthew 10:1,12:43; Luke 6:18,8:29,11:24; Mark 1:26,3:11,5:2,7-8,25,9:25; Luke 4:33; Acts 5:16,16:16-18; Revelation 16:13. The only exception is where they settled for a herd of pigs as an alternative to being sent to the abyss. (Luke 8:31). There is nothing whatsoever in the bible about anyone ingesting a demon! Demon possession appears to occur when someone habitually opens themselves up to evil and eventually gives themselves over to it entirely. This was the case with Judas Iscariot who had a callous heart and loved money. (John 12:6). Satan entered into Judas when he eventually betrayed Jesus Christ for thirty pieces of silver. (Matthew 27:14-16; John 13:27). Demon possession is also related to occult practice and idol worship. (Leviticus 17:7; Deuteronomy 32:17; Psalm 106:37; 1 Corinthians 10:20). In the Old Testament, King Saul was troubled by an evil spirit after he rebelled against the Lord. (1 Samuel 16:14-15,18:10-11,19:9-10).

Emma Stark's claim that she ate a Jezebel sandwich is beyond ridiculous.

Emma Stark: "I was sitting with my friends in New Jersey.. They presented to us a sandwich. I've never seen anything like it, it was like a two-metre-long python snake in size.. As soon as I put it in my mouth I felt immediately sick. It hadn't even been chewed, it wasn't like an hour later. It was like 'this is poison'. And so I said to the Lord, 'What on earth is going on?'  and my prophet heckles were up.. but I thought 'I have actually chewed on Jezebel..'  I knew that it was a Jezebel demon. Why did I know that? Because Jezebel finds your price and Jezebel seduces whole industries either for..sex, but Jezebel seducing for maximum profit.."  (41:40 mark)

In the New Testament food is spiritually neutral. Specifically, Paul referred to food sacrificed to idols as neutral, although if an immature believer, i.e. someone with a weak conscience, considers such food to be unclean, then for that person it is unclean. 

I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean. (Romans 14:14 cf. Acts 10:15; 1 Corinthians 1:8-13; Mark 7:18-19).

Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do. (1 Corinthians 1:8).

What Emma Stark describes as "Jubilee economics" is based on Leviticus 25. The observance of the Sabbath years given to Moses on Mount Sinai required the rest of the land of Israel every seven years. (Leviticus 25:1-6; 26:33-35). The Jews disobeyed this command and as a result they were taken into exile to Babylon for seventy years. (2 Chronicles 36:21; Jeremiah 25:11-12; 29:10-14). Leviticus 25 also describes the year of Jubilee every fiftieth year. When Emma Stark says: "..food has not been put through a biblical mindset of Leviticus 25" she is in danger of reverting to legalism. While there are good principles in the Mosaic Law regarding fallowing, for instance, New Testament believers should not revert to strict legalism. It goes without saying that bad practices within the food industry can cause illness, however, this is not the "Jezebel spirit", it is the sinful practice of people in business who put profit above good practice. Emma Stark's "deliverance" is a reductio ad absurdum. 

Emma Stark: "I speak to every demon that has caused digestive and food issues, and I say you come up and you come out in the breath right now in Jesus name. Anything of diverticulitis of celiac disease, irritable bowel syndrome, of food intolerances, you get off these people in Jesus' mighty name. So wherever you are, wherever you're watching, you take a big deep breath and we say it comes out on the breath in Jesus name.. In the name of Jesus that food issue, that digestive issue, that fear of eating, that IBS, it is removed from you and God now comes as your liberator, and any demonic force that is part of it is removed in Jesus mighty name you are healed.. it is up and out of the breath in Jesus name.." she reverts to gibberish. (51:40 mark)

        

Unsurprisingly, this video attracted negative comments which were immediately removed by Stark's subordinates. 

Emma Stark's tall stories are unbiblical and unrealistic in every possible sense and should be rejected. I urge those who have fallen under the NAR curse to test the spirits and to mark and avoid this woman. (1 John 1:4). 

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. (Romans 16:17-18).

JONI LAMB'S IMPRECATORY WITCHCRAFT

Fibster Joni Lamb plays "the Lord spoke to me" card yet again! "..a prophetic voice of a man that has been used for a long time prophetically sent me. And the Lord said 'Get the people to say this prayer with you', so I am going to say it and just repeat after me.." (1 Timothy 1:10).

This "prayer" was copied word for word from real estate investor and business consultant Taylor A Welsh.1 Welsh is the founder of "The Wealthy Consultant", an education group that licenses business development, sales, and management training. Welsh has some unsound, (possibly NAR), ideas about theology and prayer that I do not endorse. However, he does not claim to be a "prophet" and denies sending this "prayer" to Daystar or that he even knows Joni Lamb!

Imprecatory prayers are found in the book of Psalms. To imprecate is to speak a curse or invoke evil against someone or something. King David, is associated with imprecatory prayers in Psalm 55:15,69:28; Psalm 109:8. He used phrases like, “Let their way be dark and slippery, with the angel of the LORD pursuing them!” (Psalm 35:6) and “O God, break the teeth in their mouths; tear out the fangs of the young lions, O LORD!” (Psalm 58:6).

Got Questions: "Psalms 7, 35, 55, 58, 59, 69, 109, and 139 were written by David to ask God to bring judgment upon his enemies. (The other two imprecatory psalms, 79 and 137, were written by Asaph and an unknown psalmist.) These prayers were written not so much to exact revenge upon one’s enemies, but rather to emphasize God’s abhorrence of evil, His sovereignty over all mankind, and His divine protection of His chosen people. Many of these prayers were prophetic and could be seen taking place later in the New Testament in actual historical events." 

Comparable words were uttered by the apostle Paul when he cursed false teachers. (2 Corinthians 11:13-15; 2 Peter 2:1-3 etc.).

If anyone has no love for the Lord, let him be accursed. Our Lord, come! (1 Corinthians 16:22).
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8-9 cf. Galatians 5:12; 2 Timothy 4:14; Revelation 6:9-10).

It goes without saying that Joni Lamb is in a bad place before God and has no authority to pronounce "biblical" curses upon others. Joni Lamb is in an adulterous marriage, she promotes the false prosperity gospel, and she has done many wicked things against the body of Christ. Joni Lamb's imprecation is fairly typical of NAR "prophets" who claim authority they do not have. False teacher Benny Hinn did a similar thing about ten years ago.3 Joni Lamb has put herself in a very dangerous place by speaking curses upon believers, and has no doubt exacerbated her already precarious position before the Lord. (Psalm 7:16).

My take on imprecatory prayer is to bear in mind Jesus' command to love our enemies. (Matthew 5:44; Romans 12:14,20-21; 1 Peter 3:9; 1 Thessalonians 5:15 etc.) At the same time, it is necessary to contend for the faith. (Jude 1:3). False teachers/prophets pose a grave threat to the spiritual welfare of the church. As such, I often pray that the Lord will bring down false teachers/ministries and that they will be exposed and stand down for the protection of the body of Christ. (Ephesians 5:11; 1 Corinthians 5:13; 2 Corinthians 1:4; 1 John 4:1-3).  

Joni Lamb desperately needs to repent before it is too late. (Revelation 2:21; 2 Peter 3:9). The alternative does not bear thinking about. ( 2 Peter 2:1-17; Jude 1:12-13).

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. (2 Peter 2:1-3).

1. Prayer of protection
2. What is imprecatory prayer? | GotQuestions.org
3. (231) Benny Hinn curses people - YouTube

REVELATION TV: SPAIN ~ HOWARD CONDER'S WHITE ELEPHANT

It has recently come to my attention that Revelation TV no longer uses its Spanish-based studio for its RMornings programme. The new daily format of RMornings is now broadcast from Revelation TV's London studio. Howard and Leslie Conder recently announced that Nikki Mills and Yemi Balogun turned down an opportunity to move back to the London studio, and due to Spanish law, they had to be made redundant. So far, viewer concerns and queries about the purpose-built office studio complex in Southern Spain funded by the donations of its viewers have been met with a wall of silence.

(102) The Late Show Vision for the Future of revelation tv 2024 - YouTube

It became apparent last February on The Late Show that RTV's Spanish operation was running into difficulties and was not all they hoped it would be. During this programme, it emerged that the main RTV office had relocated to the UK due to staffing problems, issues with Brexit, COVID-19, and technical problems. Gordon Pettie: "We're struggling a little bit.. We've got this fantastic building that the Lord has given us. We acknowledge quite clearly that it was God directed to do that, but now we're saying, 'What really is the purpose of that building?'.. we are beginning to see an increase of programmes in the UK and we have got a dilemma.." (28:00 mark) Pettie made these remarks with a straight face, apparently unwilling to consider the possibility that the Lord had not spoken to Conder about starting Revelation TV.  Even in the face of abject failure, their delusion continues without a thought for those who gave sacrificially to enable the purchase of the Spanish white elephant on the strength of Conder's alleged "vision". Various suggestions were made by viewers, including selling the building in Spain and fundraising for a new London studio! It now appears that the ambitious Spanish project relentlessly touted by RTV presenters was a complete waste of everyone's time, money, and effort. Essentially RTV is back to square one and needs to finance a new London studio! 

Conder: "The prophecies that I got in the beginning.. were so encouraging that gave me a reason for actually going ahead with starting a Christian channel here in the UK.."  

The alleged prophecies that Conder received during the 1990s were from false NAR "Apostles" and "Prophets".

In 1994 Conder received a "prophecy" from proven false NAR "Apostle" Jonathan David at an ecumenical meeting!

NAR "Prophet" Sharon Stone prophesied over Conder in 1999. This is where Conder got the ridiculous idea that he was going to be a modern-day “Elijah”. Ironically, Elijah came against the prophets of Baal, he was not partners with them! (Ephesians 5:7).

NAR "Apostle" Noel Woodroffe's prophecy in 1994 mentions Howard Conder re: God starting Christian TV in the UK.

No doubt the above "prophecies" played into Conder's narcissism during the 1990s and beyond. However, many believers are now becoming more aware that the New Apostolic Reformation is a fake movement consisting of false "Apostles" and "Prophets". 

Pettie: "When we wrote the book 'Broadcasting Christ' we said in it 'Howard, you have had more prophecies that its right, back in 2009/10, to go to Spain and to start the work in Spain.' And it's trying to balance that up with what we can see with our eyes about the situation with Brexit and all the things that are happening at this moment of time.."  

 

Some Background

In 2008 RTV moved its head office to Spain. In 2012 RTV had a permanent television studio base in Spain, but these facilities were deemed unfit for purpose. In 2014 Conder had the "vision" for the Spanish building project. From around early 2015, fundraising commenced for the purchase of land and the building of a new purpose-built television studio complex for the channel in Spain. Following an intense and prolonged period of fundraising, the new Revelation TV studio's "Grand Opening" took place from Friday 21st to Monday 24th of April 2023.1 The new studio 'The Revelation International Centre' was hailed as "A future for the next generation".2 

Howard Conder has repeatedly attacked his detractors for their "false accusations", yet there have been many genuine concerns that RTV has refused to acknowledge. RTV's early compromise with Roman Catholicism and Word-Faith prosperity teachers such as Benny Hinn, Jesse Duplantis, John Hagee, Joyce Meyer, hyper-grace teacher Joseph Prince, ecumenist Hugh Osgood, the 700 Club, and Seventh Day Adventists etc. was not compatible with a man allegedly called by God. Many discerning Christians therefore rejected Conder's claims on the basis that RTV was no better than apostate channels such as Daystar, God TV, and TBN. 

  

Rob Thomas 'Watchman4Wales' May 2015: "It has long been noted that Revelation TV is a very heavily compromised channel, having no qualms about broadcasting the programmes of some of the most grievous wolves in sheep's clothing on the face of the planet. I wrote myself to Revelation TV some while ago concerning their broadcasting of false teachers, an example at that time being their airing of the notorious charlatan Benny Hinn's 'This Is Your Day.' (I had no response whatsoever). Their current schedule includes the likes of Jesse Duplantis and Joyce Meyer, who similarly present "another Jesus... another spirit... another gospel." (2 Corinthians 11:4). It is quite obvious that the channel has learned nothing about unacceptable compromise since Jacob Prasch's departure back in 2011, and the Justin Peters incident the previous year when a live interview with him was taken off air when he dared to "name and shame." They have continued relentlessly along their spiritually reckless way, with wilful disregard as to how their collusion with deadly deceivers brings not only disgrace to the Body of Christ but completely undermines the preaching of the True Gospel, exposing millions of viewers to spiritual mauling and mutilation by hungry wolves who feed off the flock!"3

These days, RTV focuses mainly on political issues, inane chat shows, and regular Bible studies with ecumenist Tim Vince, Anglican John Campbell, and egalitarian Derek Walker (Oxford Bible Church). 

Realistically Conder cannot keep up the delusion that God called him to start Revelation TV. The "God spoke to me" card is wearing very thin with many believers these days!

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1).

1. https://fb.watch/xMdHbvnSze/
2. (101) The Late Show Vision for the Future of revelation tv 2024 - YouTube
3. APOSTASY, ERROR & DECEPTION IN WALES - the watchman4wales blog.: REVELATIONS ABOUT HOWARD CONDER AND REVELATION TV - A FORMER EMPLOYEE SPEAKS OUT CONCERNING THEIR DECEIVING OF VIEWERS OVER THE STATION'S FINANCES!

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