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Saturday, 7 March 2015

revelation tv - howard conder's vile threats against critics!

Howard Conder, founder of Revelation TV continues to lash out against his critics. An investigation into the Revelation Foundation was launched last year by the Charity Commission after they received a number of complaints that the charity was being used for “private advantage”. In a statement, the regulator said it had scrutinised the Revelation Foundation’s accounts and had identified a number of concerns including “potential significant loss of charitable funds, trustee benefits, conflicts of interest and connected party transactions”. The Charity Commissions investigation into the Revelation Foundation is the most serious form of inquiry available to them. 

VILE THREATS AND TWISTED LOGIC!

In January Conder vilified critics of Revelation TV (RTV) on his Facebook page as "demons, bullies and creeps". He is now attempting to smear critics as anonymous "trolls" and "cyber bullies"!  I must point out however that there is nothing anonymous about those who have expressed their concerns about Revelation TV!!!

Howard Conder R Mornings 6th of March 2015:

 http://www.revelationtv.com/programmes/episode/r-mornings901087
(watch from about 39 minutes into the programme)

"I have got plenty of evidence of that (internet bullies), I have got a paper trail, I have got an email trail; I can point the finger to, and name the people that have said things about us..... It will come to nought...... because if God is behind Revelation TV, which I believe it is, otherwise we wouldn't be here and wouldn't have arrived at this stage....."  In other words, Conder justifies God's approval of RTV by the fact that it exists. This is an illogical argument. The Third Reich existed - were they approved by God?

"There is a day, there is payback day. When all this is over, we will be putting things back out there. We have got the proof, got the names, there are people that have been talking about us...... Gordon Hudson's blog..... by the way Gordon I have got your email, I can see exactly what you are up to and the things you have said about us are untrue and we will be dealing with you, trust me....... There are lots of people who have said they are not involved, you are all involved and I know who you are and this is the thing with trolls, they think they can hide behind and do this"  

Gordon Hudson makes no secret about his identity, either on his blog or on his twitter page!
http://www.ecalpemos.org/2006/10/why-i-decided-to-stop-supporting.html
http://www.ecalpemos.org/2009/04/genesis-tv-and-revelation-tv.html
https://twitter.com/gordonhudsonnu/status/536948685339238401

Howard Conder is misleading people when he claims that the viewers who brought their concerns about Revelation TV to the attention of the Charity Commission did so "anonymously". Those viewers may not be known to RTV, but they are certainly known to the Charity Commission! In fact it is the Charity Commission who keeps complainants identities confidential! The Declaration in Section 4 of the Charity Commissions procedure for Raising a Complaint requires: "your name, postal and email addresses and telephone number and connection (if any) to the charity. Please note that this will be kept confidential". http://www.charitycommissionni.org.uk/our-regulatory-work/concerns-about-charities/submit-a-concern-about-a-charity/

Who does Howard Conder think he is, and how exactly is he going to "deal" with his critics on "payback day"? His outburst sounds like the ravings of a psychotic - I really do wonder whether he is delusional! Even in the unlikely event that Howard Conder's critics are in error, THERE IS NO SCRIPTURAL MANDATE TO TAKE REVENGE:

Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honourable in the sight of all..... Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” (Romans 12:17, 19

Alexander the coppersmith did me great harm; the Lord will repay him according to his deeds. (2 Timothy 4:14) Notice that Paul named Alexander the coppersmith for the harm he had done, but he left "payback day" to the Lord.
 
See also Leviticus 19:18; Deuteronomy 32:35; Psalm 94:1; Proverbs 20:22, 24:29; Hebrews10:30).

To talk in this manner about "payback day", Conder shows at the very least that he has failed as a Christian:

When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints?  .....brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers? To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat (failure) for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? (1 Corinthians 6:1-7) 

But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. (Matthew 15:18 see also Matthew 12:34; 15:11; Mark 7:20; James 3:6) 

It seems fashionable to call anyone a "troll" who cares about the truth and who dares to do something about it. Has Howard Conder heard of Freedom of Expression? Unless RTV's critics have broken the law by making threats or committing slander, they are quite entitled to an opinion! A classic hallmark of spiritual abuse is treating the person who dares to express their concerns as the problem!

Conder talks about "Damage being done, especially to young people." RTV themselves are causing untold spiritual damage, not only to young people but to all their viewers by hosting false teachers and promoting doctrines of demons which will send people to hell e.g. Seventh Day Adventists, Jesse Duplantis, Benny Hinn, Sid Roth, Joyce Meyer etc. etc.

Alan Tun calls people "detractors" who criticise "successful preachers" at about 46 minutes into this programme. Are Tun and Conder telling their viewers not to "test the spirits" as we are exhorted to do in the scriptures? If something is unbiblical, then it is our responsibility to speak out and challenge it. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. (Galatians 5:9) The gift of "distinguishing between spirits" is God given (1 Corinthians 12:10). "Successful ministry" is no guarantee of truth. If a minister really is teaching truth, then his teachings should be able to stand the scriptural test - his/her teachings should compliment, not contradict other scriptures! Conder says that if teachings are not of God they will come to nothing - that may be so eventually, but how much devastation do false teachers do to the body of Christ before this happens? 

Alan Tun: "He (Jesus Christ) did not set his disciples up to teach doctrine, he told them to be lights." I find this statement deeply troubling. 

To downplay biblical doctrine is to downplay the teaching of Jesus Christ - which is to actually downplay Jesus Christ Himself! Jesus prayed that the Father would sanctify believers in THE TRUTH - GOD'S WORD IS TRUTH (John 17:17). JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF ACTUALLY IS THE TRUTH (John 14:6).

Jesus Christ is both the Logos (Word) and the Light (John 1:9) - in other words, the teachings of Jesus Christ (doctrine) and the light are inseparable!     

The unfolding of your words gives light; it imparts understanding to the simple. (Psalm 119:130)

For the commandment is a lamp and the teaching a light, and the reproofs of discipline are the way of life, (Proverbs 6:23)    

Jesus Christ:  “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves." (Matthew 7:15) 

Whoever does not love me does not keep my words (teaching). And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father’s who sent me. (John 14:24) 

So Jesus said to them, “The light is among you for a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, lest darkness overtake you. The one who walks in the darkness does not know where he is going." (John 12:35)   

.....in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. (2 Thessalonians 1:8) 

Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers. (1 Timothy 4:16) 

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, (2 Timothy 4:3)  

Qualifications for elders written by Paul the Apostle (Titus 1:5-16):
.....give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it. (Titus 1:9)

But as for you, teach what accords with sound doctrine.....  ....in your teaching show integrity, dignity, and sound speech that cannot be condemned, (Titus 2:1, 7-8)   

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1) 

See also Matthew 24:11; 2 Timothy 1:13, 3:8; 2 Peter 2:1-22; Galatians 4:17; Acts 20:29.

4 comments:

Gordon said...

Hello Treena,
This is all deeply troubling.

I have responded to your comment on my blog which gives my side of this.

Click Here.

I had to spread it across two comments as it was so long. Hopefully this issue can be resolved quickly as I am about to be hard to contact for a while.

We will see.

Treena Gisborn said...

Thank you Gordon. As you say these threats from Howard Conder are deeply troubling. They say a lot about his psychological state I think. I have read your blog and it is factual. Actually your opinion about the Charity Commissions investigation into RTV is very inoffensive. God bless you. Treena

Susie said...

I am also deeply troubled by Howard's comments because it is against all Bible principles. We must forgive one another. Love your brother as yourself. Take no revenge. Howard's comments are full of bitterness It is very UNCHRISTIAN behaviour Myra

Treena Gisborn said...

Very true Susie.. Matthew 18:23-35 tells us that if we do not forgive others, we are delivered to the tormentors. Conder has effectively disqualified himself from the faith. God bless.