The article Prasch's attack stemmed from can be viewed here: antonbosch.org/Articles/English%202010/True%20or%20False.html
ANTON BOSCH'S RESPONSE TO PRASCH ON FACEBOOK:
https://www.facebook.com/anton.bosch.127"What I Actually Believe
In the light of a recent video that falsely attacks what I believe and accuses me of heresy, it is necessary for me to clear up what I actually believe on three points:
Successionism and Impartation
I have been very clear in my teaching over the years that I reject both those ideas. I do not believe that gifts, ministries or offices can be passed from one person (or generation) to another. As early as 2007 in my book Building Blocks of the Church I devoted a page and a half (pp143,144) to a rebuttal of the idea of (apostolic) succession. I said, inter alia: “...a personal gift cannot be bequeathed.” As recently as December 2016 in my audio recordings dealing with 2Timothy 1:6, I deal with, and oppose, the idea of impartation (38 minute mark). Any statement that I believe that a gift or office or ministry can be passed from one person to another is not the truth. Gifts, anointings, ministries, and offices cannot be passed from one to another through the laying on of hands or any other method. The church can only recognize gifts that God has given (1Corinthians 12:11). The body of truth, on the other hand, is passed from one generation to the next through the process of making disciples: “And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.” (2Timothy 2:2)
Women Teaching Men
Again, this is a concept I have consistently taught against for the past 48 years. I am often asked about the role of women in the church and my standard reply is that "women can do anything but they cannot teach or usurp authority over men". The Scriptures are plain: “And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.” (1Timothy 2:12). I have not deviated from this position for 48 years and my teachings are replete with statements to this effect.
Eternally Begotten
I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is eternal (co-eternal with the Father and the Holy Spirit). He is without beginning and end. “Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” (John 8:58) I reject the idea that Jesus was “begotten”, was “generated” or “came forth” in eternity past since it diminishes the fact of his eternality and therefore His deity and is born out of Arianism.
I have not deviated from these teachings and have believed and taught them consistently for almost five decades now and am happy to provide further supporting evidence for any of the above."
Statement of Faith - Anton Bosch:
http://antonbosch.org/statement-of-faith
• That there is but one God, a personal conscious Being, Creator of all things seen and unseen, eternal (without beginning or end) as three distinct Persons: the Father, the Son, and Holy Ghost.
• That the Word became flesh, and was born of the virgin Mary, henceforth to be known as the only begotten Son of God, our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ: Who lived a sinless life, was crucified, died, and rose again. We hold that Jesus will return soon to establish His kingdom..
Question: How does this man ever look at himself in the mirror in the morning?
ReplyDeleteHis methodology, tactics, call them what you will, are just so transparent for all to see.
How any Christian (especially so-called leaders) with just one half ounce of discernment can support him, is just, well & truly beyond me!
Shadows of the Beast finished him off for me, some seven years ago.
God bless.
My question: How is it that anyone continues to give him the time of day?
ReplyDeleteI have focused mainly on his false teaching as you know Colin. However his behaviour is a major doctrinal issue. 1 Corinthians 5:11. This man is to be avoided on every level!
God bless.
The most troubling item here is the fact that he does not list his sources in his books. No way to fact check or be a good Berean. It does not create an air of transparency. I hope this is just laziness not intentional. Either is a real black eye in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the link to the vimeo video. Other videos by that - I think-Irish discernment ministry have been interesting to hear (albeit with caution-he seems to have John MacArthur on a pedestal and has no problem with his teaching that taking the mark of the beast can be repented of). Nonetheless, some interesting stuff, especially good for anyone deceived by Bill Johnson and his false spurits. My best, Mike
ReplyDeleteIt is a bit concerning that tbckawaii do not state exactly who they are Mike. I did hear what he said about MacArthur and I didn't agree. I do want to support the Menelaws and others that Prasch has attacked, but at the same time I don't want to compromise. It is a bit of a dilemma. Thank you.
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Jacob Prasch = Donald Trump of preachers. He is Bold, willing to get in the mud to fight back, not afraid to fight dirty, but will stand up to anyone. It is not Godly but in an era where strong christian leaders are few and far between, Men like Jacob and Mark Driscoll will find themselves large followings of Christian men who are desperate for bold and fearless Christian leaders. I have been researching Christian midrash lately to make up my mind if i believe there is relevancy to it. I also read your book Treena and you made some good points.
ReplyDeleteA would like to make a point on the Jon Macarthur controversy, if any of you have scene Martin Scorsese's Silence, or read a good amount of Voice of the Martyr's you find stories of Christians who denied Christ to serve a typological antichrist system. Communist regimes forcing people to deny Christ, even in China as we speak. Many of them deny Christ and serve the worldly empire until waking up later, repenting, sometimes even unto death as Jesus emboldens them to forsake their life after denying to do so before. Is it far fetched to believe many Jews in Babylon bowed the knee to avoid death, only to one day leave Babylon and go back to Israel? A good case could be made. Jesus himself said that any who deny him before men will be denied by him to the Father, and yet without violating such a blatant declaration, Jesus himself forgives a man who denied him not once, but three times, and utilized him as a small stone of which the church would be built. What do we know about the mark? Is it a tattoo, a micro implant, or figure of speech? Not enough to draw clear conclusions or design full fledged theologies on the matter. John Macarthur is no heretic. Maybe he gave an ill advised answer, but we cannot say for certain if the mark of the best is an unforgivable sin. There is plenty of evidences that it may be possible for God to offer forgiveness when that mark comes and by no means violate scripture by doing so. Macarthur has stood strong on the integrity of the gospel on TV many times, Larry King confronting homosexuality, he has stood strong. Macarthur has used his own understanding of Revelation to logically deduce that God probably offers forgiveness to some, he may be wrong but his intentions are not to compromise or bring heresy into the church.
Miguel.. I know what you mean about strong Christian leaders, but we are not called to "fight dirty" and use ungodly tactics... we are called rather to be strong in the Lord. (Ephesians 6:10). Prasch provably has several false teachings, mostly connected to his "intra-seal" theory.
ReplyDeleteI cannot agree with you about John MacArthur. I am presently studying the mark of the beast. The plain teaching of the scriptures tell us what is involved... the worship of the beast and its image and the mark of the beast.. People will know exactly what they are committing themselves to and it is irreversible. To teach anything else is very dangerous and will lead people into error. If MacArthur said something foolishly then he should have put it right. To date he has refused to do so!
"And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, 'If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.'”
Altering the book of Revelation is extremely serious!
"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book." (Revelation 22:18-19).
Revelation 20:4
ReplyDeleteI saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
You’re right Treena without question and I’m shocked to hear MacArthur or anyone else who has read Revelation 14:9-11 speculating about the possibility of forgiveness for those who take the mark. It’s as unhelpful and frankly as pointless as David Nathan’s theories about the millennium. We have it in black and white, the prophesied outcome for those who take the mark. It is written in plain language as simple as ABC. No need for debate, theorising or speculation. No forgiveness for those who take the mark.
ReplyDeleteWhen someone as well known as John MacArthur says such blatantly unscriptural things then it puts doubt in the minds of his followers. I am studying the mark of the beast at the present time. IF my findings are correct...IF?? then the mark of the beast will be enacted much later than I originally thought. I think the "Left Behind" pre-trib teachers have confused the whole issue. In any event, the scriptures are unequivocal - there is no coming back from the mark of the beast! I do pray that MacArthur would put this right.. for his own sake as well as his followers.
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Both men Prasch and Bosch have sanctioned women teaching to mixed crowds. Frankly, I think that's fine I have learned the truth from many women as well. Prasch here in the UK sanctioned and was a covering for Zarapath ministries. A female Bible teacher who was called pastor as well. Anton Bosch has spoken numerous times with Jewel Grewe teaching mixed crowds. Jewel is solid. So I don't see what the fuss is beside the fact that both men deny doing this.
ReplyDeleteI agree overall Treena. I however dont agree with Jacob that Macarthur is a servant of the Devil. and spewing angry words at him as if he is the Antichrist himself trying to force people to take the mark. Jacob has turned many good men into "vilians" as he said in his first David N video. He likes declaring cyber war on people. He likes the spotlight.... no actually he LOVES the spotlight. He likes to challenge men to Camera debates, loves to flaunt what skill in languages and knowledge he has, call everyone else bellow his puffed up knowledge an ignoramus. Jacob does not enjoy doing things privately, it must be for all to see. It makes anyone wonder if pride has destroyed his ministry as pride has done with people in the past. Lucifer, King Solomon, Samson, and so many more. Pride certainly is a poison that will levin everything.
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Jacob loves pretending that being a jerk and a slanderer leaves him vulnerable to biblical based criticism, but nothing can be farther from the truth. Jacob is guilty of Pride, Slander, mocking, a false tongue, a prideful haughty spirit, causing division, and has made his own ego the idol of his own ministry. He has shared in videos that no church or ministry should be a one man show, and yet that is exactly what Moriel has become. Now that David Nathan is gone, Jacob alone is the man of which all theology and teaching comes from. He calls all the shots says who is demonic and who is not. If his discernment is so high and mighty, why has he associated with such people as Wallid Shobat the Roman catholic ex terrorist who teaches his son that killing gays according to OT law is sanctioned? Or if the Menelaws and David were so evil and theological heretics serving prosperity gospel, why did he work with them for so many years? Why did he call David Wilkerson a true prophet for so many years when David W had made prophecy about his own death before he turns 50, only to realize he was wrong. David made prophecy throughout his life some correct and some not, and Jacob believed him a true prophet for many years until near David's passing of which Jacob said David was "stupid" and made a fool of himself. what about Paul McGuire? How many times does Jacob either have to clean his own Moriel site of ministry yokes that he must break and hide? Can such a man be trusted to have real true discernment? It is hard to believe so.
For anonymous re comment 8th Feb 2019 at 04:41
ReplyDeleteregarding the comment about Jacob Prasch covering Zarapeth Ministries, you will find that he had rescinded that covering quite a while ago when it was pointed out to him, with evidence, that the teachings were taking place with mixed congregation. I can assure you he did so as I bought it to his attention. Colin Higgs
Regarding Anton Bosch statement to Jacob Prasch. I have just come across the following and would like to know if this teaching by Anton, (adoptionism) contradicts previous statements he has made on the subject.
ReplyDeleteAnton Bosch (“Incarnational Sonship”)
Explaining a servant and a son, Bosch says:
… The son is part of the family (he is comparing the son here to the angels and they are servants) But you are my son today I have begotten you, he states this verse is misunderstood misinterpreted by the Jehovah witnesses. They say he had a beginning today I have begotten you, they if he is son and is begotten he cannot be eternal he cannot be God, this is their argument. But clearly he is not referring to the eternal beginnings of Jesus he is clearly referring to the day he was born in Bethlehem’s manger. That was the day he became a son. He was not always a son and we need to remember that and this is very difficult to explain to a JW. But the Old Testament does not reveal the relationship of Father and Son … (that relationship) did not exist in the Old Testament. In the Old Testament it was not the Father and the Son but it was God and the Word. In the beginning was the Word, not in the beginning was the Son in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and was God. His relationship and position in heaven and in the eternity past was that of the Word. … He only became the Son when he was born in Bethlehem’s manger 2000 years ago. That is when he became the son (Hebrews 1:3-14).
He then argues about an impression of the Father superior to the son, has more power, more respect, honor etc.
Jesus was not subject to the Father, no they were equal. Each member of the Trinity in submission to the other ... The only reason He came as the Son was not because of His relationship with the Father, but in order to reveal to us the relationship which God the Father wants to have with us.”
Just to be clear, the majority today seem to prefer the eternal sonship view (that Jesus always was the Son and the Father always was the Father). I hold to "Incarnational Sonship" (He only became the Son at Bethlehem). Neither view denies His deity nor His eternal co-existence with the Father and Spirit and is not even remotely a basis for division. But Mark in a overwhelming desire to prove me wrong and his obsession with the King James Version and a consequent inability to understand the word "monogenes" (Only begotten) went to this extreme. (Video, 10/20/18 afternoon)
Below is Anton Bosh's Statement of Faith Colin. There doesn't seem to be a contradiction with what he has previously taught. God bless.
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We Believe:
God
• That there is but one God, a personal conscious Being, Creator of all things seen and unseen, eternal (without beginning or end) as three distinct Persons: the Father, the Son, and Holy Ghost.
• That the Word became flesh, and was born of the virgin Mary, He is the only begotten Son of God, our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ: Who lived a sinless life, was crucified, died, and rose again. We hold that Jesus will return soon to establish His kingdom.
The contradiction is, he she's Jesus did not become the son until the incarnation. Read the article an sent. It means he believes in sdoptionism.
ReplyDeleteActually Colin Adoptionism is the heretical belief that before His "adoption", Jesus was a mere man. I don't think that Anton Bosch teaches this - he does not deny the deity of Christ before the incarnation. God bless.
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