REVELATION TV > FOLLOW UP FROM CHARITY COMMISSION: DISABLED CHILDREN AND ADULTERY

I have received a reply from the Charity Commission regarding my complaint about Tim Vince and Sarah Tun's disgusting depiction of disabled children as a result of adultery.

The print is a little small and may not be very clear. A copy of the relevant paragraph reads as follows:

"We have carefully reviewed all the information you sent us and have decided that on this occasion it is proportionate to provide the trustees with regulatory advice and guidance about what is acceptable in terms about what is acceptable in terms of the expression of strongly controversial or partisan views." 

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 WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: REVELATION TV: "DISABLED CHILDREN DUE TO SIN" >TIM VINCE / SARAH TUN HATE SPEECH

THE KIRK CAMERON PROBLEM: CHRONIC ITCHING EAR SYNDROME

 Kirk Cameron Denies 'Eternal Conscious Torment,' Is Now An Annihilationist? - Protestia

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions.. (2 Timothy 4:3).

Those who support the heresy of annihilationism must face the chilling fact that they are directly contradicting unequivocal scriptural evidence that hell is eternal conscious torment.  

And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.” (Isaiah 66:24 cf. Mark 9:44)

Study Bible: "The 'worm' and 'fire' are metaphors for unending decay and punishment. Isaiah chooses decay imagery to stress unending shame. A maggot-consuming corpse normally finishes its work; here the process 'never' ends. Jesus cites this phrase verbatim for Gehenna (Mark 9:47-48), affirming eternal, conscious punishment.

The incongruity of the two images shows that they are not to be understood literally; but both alike imply everlasting continuance, and are incompatible with either of the two modern heresies of universalism or annihilationism."1 

Bible Hub: "No hint of annihilation appears; the torment is ongoing, not terminated.

Fire in Scripture pictures God’s wrath (Hebrews 12:29). It is 'unquenchable,' meaning no outside force can lessen or end it (Matthew 25:41; Revelation 20:10).

The permanence of the fire matches the never-dying worm—dual metaphors underscoring one reality.

This affirms the literal, eternal nature of hell, a place prepared for the devil and his angels yet shared by all who persist in rebellion."2

And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” (Matthew 25:46) .

And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:2).

 

The contrast and dual destiny between eternal life and eternal punishment are found in both the New and Old Testaments. It is possible for those who question eternal conscious punishment to use the same twisted logic to question eternal life. As such, annihilationism strikes at the very heart of the gospel itself. Those who view annihilationism as a secondary or even a tertiary issue should think again!

Bengel's Gnomen: "The Bible has no metaphysical distinctions, therefore it has no one word to express eternity; this it expresses by long periods joined with one another indefinitely. Αἰῶνες = עו̇לָמִים, æva: very long periods, which, multiplied indefinitely, give the only notion we can form of eternity. Ὡρα (Th. ὃρος, terminus), a definite space of time: καιρὸς, the time, the fit time: χρόνος, time, in its actuality, marking succession: αἰὼν, an indefinite course of time, without the notion of an end. See Tittm. Syn. Gr. Test. Ἀπʼ αἰώνων = from all eternity, a parte ante. Εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας = to all eternity, for ages, for ever, a parte post. As these phrases are applied to the eternity of God Himself, and as, moreover, αἰώνιος is applied to ζωὴ, which none deny to mean everlasting life, no objections (such as have been lately raised), from the meaning of αἰὼν, will hold good against the everlasting duration of punishment."3

And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. (Matthew 25:41).

And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.” (Revelation 14:11).

They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might. (2 Thessalonians 1:9)

“There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried, and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. (Luke 16:19-31).

As unpalatable as we may find the doctrine of eternal torment, the only way around it is to deny the scriptures. Those who choose this course may find themselves facing the very fate they seek to deny! (Galatians 6:7; Job 4:8; Hosea 8:7; Romans 2:6).

 

Mike Winger: "I'm open to the possibility of annihilationism or conditional immortality."4

Ray Comfort (Living Waters) is a longstanding associate of Kirk Cameron, although strangely, he denies having had any "official involvement" with him for over ten years. Comfort has consistently denied annihilationism, maintaining that the traditional doctrine of eternal conscious torment is the correct biblical view. He has publicly addressed Cameron's recent comments on annihilationism, emphasising that Cameron's views do not align with Living Waters' long-held position.5  Comfort regularly appears on the apostate channel TBN, and he and Cameron hosted a joint fundraiser on TBN last year.6 😞

Cameron previously supported the pretrib rapture view and starred in the "Left Behind" film, which was released in 2000. "Left Behind" pretribulational theology is not biblically accurate and has been widely criticised and debunked by various bible teachers. Cameron subsequently changed his view from pretribulationism to posttribulationism following discussions with Joe Schimmel (Blessed Hope Chapel). Once again, Cameron did not do his due diligence and he failed to recognise the flaws in Schimmel's posttribulational eschatology. (1 John 4:1). More recently, Cameron has promoted a more world-and-life view, focusing on family, history, and cultural renewal rather than "apocalyptic fear". He now claims that the rapture may not happen for millennia.7  This view aligns more with postmillennialism, although Cameron has not formally identified with any particular tradition. Cameron's disjointed history indicates that he is not a reliable source and is unqualified to teach theology. (2 Timothy 2:15). The scriptures state that no one knows the day or the hour, and we should watch rather than speculate about the time of Jesus' Parousia. Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. (Matthew 24:36,42,25:13). Furthermore, the scriptures do not hold out an optimistic eschatological view; in fact, just the reverse. 

But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, , unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. (2 Timothy 3:1-5 cf. Matthew 24:12; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Peter 3:3; Jude 1:18 ).

I suggest that we take the advice of the apostle and mark and avoid Kirk Cameron. (Romans 16:17-18).

Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. (Proverbs 3:5).  

1. Isaiah 66:24 Commentaries: "Then they will go forth and look On the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me. For their worm will not die And their fire will not be quenched; And they will be an abhorrence to all mankind."
2. Isaiah 66:24 "As they go forth, they will see the corpses of the men who have rebelled against Me; for their worm will never die, their fire will never be quenched, and they will be a horror to all mankind."
3. Matthew 25:46 Commentaries: "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

4. (152) 20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 99) - YouTube
5. Addressing Kirk Cameron’s New Thoughts On Hell – Living Waters Down Under | Ray Comfort
6. Bing Videos
7. A Worldview of Optimism and Vi… - The Gary DeMar Podcast - Apple Podcasts

Further Links

WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: edward fudge, david reagan: the heresy of annihilationism

7 Pretrib Problems and the Prewrath Rapture (Full Movie)

Articles of Prewrath

Microsoft Word - Prewrath - Early Church Fathers.docx

CHRIS ROSEBROUGH: WHEN WAS SATAN CAST OUT OF HEAVEN?

F4F | Ron Carpenter Passes Theological Gas

Ron Carpenter, Redemption World Outreach Center, is another mega church pastor who claims to be an "apostle". Carpenter is a fierce advocate of tithing and is an eisegete. His latest bad idea is an AI-led spiritual counselling app in which he offers an AI version of himself offering “personalised” prayer and spiritual guidance for a fee. (Romans 16:17-18).1

Rosebrough: "Revelation 12 does refer to Satan as the accuser of the brethren. But he can't do it anymore because the text twice makes it very clear that he's been thrown out of heaven.."

I am all in favour of calling out false teachers (Ephesians 5:11), but once again, Rosebrough's problematic eschatology leaves us with an issue. There is no evidence that Satan ceased to be "the accuser of the brethren" (κατήγορος katēgoros) post-resurrection, and it would be unwise to accept his interpretation of this passage.

And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth. And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days. 

Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God. And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death. Therefore, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!”
And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle so that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with a flood. But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river that the dragon had poured from his mouth. Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea. (Revelation 12:1-17).

Immediately after these events, John sees the Antichrist rising out of the sea. And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads. (Revelation 13:1). 

The term "brethren" (ἀδελφοὶ ) in the New Testament invariably refers to post-resurrection believers. Jesus refers to his disciples as his brethren before his ascension. Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” (John 20:17). This term indicates a significant transformation in their relationship to Him. This information necessitates that "brethren" in Revelation 12:10 refers to post-resurrection believers who are accused (present tense) day and night before God. This should be sufficient to prove the case, but I will go further. 

And I heard a loud voice in heaven saying.. (Revelation 10b-12). This phrase introduces a heavenly proclamation in the aorist tense. ..for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, ἐβλήθη (eblēthē)  > Aorist Indicative Passive.2 

In Biblical Greek, the aorist tense can describe past, present or future events depending on the context. Its primary focus is on the action’s completeness rather than its timing.

Blue Letter Bible: "The aorist tense is characterized by its emphasis on punctiliar action; that is, the concept of the verb is considered without regard for past, present, or future time. There is no direct or clear English equivalent for this tense, though it is generally rendered as a simple past tense in most translations.

The events described by the aorist tense are classified into a number of categories by grammarians. The most common of these include a view of the action as having begun from a certain point ("inceptive aorist"), or having ended at a certain point ("cumulative aorist"), or merely existing at a certain point ("punctiliar aorist"). The categorization of other cases can be found in Greek reference grammars."3 

Pulpit Commentary: "The cause of the victorious song which I have just recited was the fact that the devil was cast down, the same who is constantly accusing (ὁ κατηγορῶν) our brethren. But they (our brethren) overcame him, and valued not their lives, etc. Well may ye heavens rejoice over your happy lot, though it means woe to the earth for a short time.' For the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. The one accusing them (ὁ κατηρορῶν); not the past tense. Satan does not cease to accuse, though he may not do so with effect, since he may be overcome by the 'blood of the Lamb.'"4 

Prewrath scholars view Revelation 12 as an eschatological passage that refers to future tribulation events. The woman (Israel) suffers intense persecution during the 3.5-year great tribulation. (Matthew 24:21 cf. Revelation 7:14). This view differs significantly from the pretribulation view, as it places the rapture between the sixth and seventh seals of Revelation, and it identifies "the remnant of the woman's offspring" as persecuted believers during this period. (Revelation 12:17). This interpretation has considerable traction and is immediately apparent from the various references to "1260 days" and its equivalent in the book of Revelation. (Revelation 12:6 and Revelation 11:3). This period is variously referred to as "forty-two months" in Revelation 11:2 and 13:5, "time, times and half a time" in Revelation 12:14 and Daniel 7:25. It is also identified as "half the week" i.e. the seven-year period known as the 70th week of Daniel halved. (Daniel 9:27). With so many references to this time frame, it behoves believers to study the scriptures to ascertain the correct interpretation of Revelation 12. (1 John 4:1).  

  

The war depicted in Revelation 12:7-9 signifies the ultimate expulsion of Satan and his angels from heaven at the midpoint of the 70th week of Daniel. (Daniel 9:27). Satan's defeat commenced at the cross. (Hebrews 2:14-15; Colossians 2:15). However, Revelation 12 illustrates his total banishment from heaven when he will be thrown down to earth and his time will be short. (Revelation 12:12,17:12).  

The initial fall of Lucifer is recorded in Ezekiel 28:12-17 and Isaiah 14:12ff. The title "O Day Star, son of Dawn" has been linked to Lucifer, whose name means "light-bearer" in Latin, reflecting his original state before his fall. This connection is made in part due to the Vulgate's translation and later theological interpretations.4

You were the signet of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, emerald, and carbuncle; and crafted in gold were your settings and your engravings. On the day that you were created they were prepared.You were an anointed guardian cherub. I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you. In the abundance of your trade you were filled with violence in your midst, and you sinned; so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God, and I destroyed you, O guardian cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Your heart was proud because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor. (Ezekiel 28:12. 2-17 cf. Isaiah 14:12ff).

Two instances where Satan accused believers before God in the Old Testament are recorded in Job 1:6-12 and Zechariah 3:1-2. 

One might wonder how Satan could enter God's presence with the sons of God in Job 1:6, but apparently, he did have some kind of limited access to the third heaven on that occasion. I do not see anywhere in the scriptures where that situation changed. If Rosebrough can provide evidence to the contrary from the scriptures, then I will be very interested to consider his argument.  

1. Pastor creates AI version of himself as ‘personal pastor’ for users
2. Strong's 906:
3. Lexical Definition for Aorist Tense
4. Revelation 12:10 Commentaries: Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

Further Links

Articles of Prewrath

Microsoft Word - Prewrath - Early Church Fathers.docx

LARRY WESSELS ROB ZINS (CANSWERS TV) MORE UNHELPFUL RHETORIC

Judas' Kiss of Death: Did His Works of Being Sorry & Returning Silver Earn Him a Ticket to Heaven? 

Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge? (Job 38:2 cf.1 Corinthians 4:6; Ecclesiastes 7:16).

Rob Zins' incoherent ramblings regarding the origin of sin are heretical and are likely to confuse rather than help his hearers. (2 Timothy 2:16). It would have been better for Zins not to have given us the dubious benefit of his own opinions. (Jude 1:1; 2 Peter 2:12).

Zins: "If sin does not exist and God authors it, how can it be a sin when it doesn't exist?" 

Zins: "To author sin is not to sin.. sin doesn't exist until you author it."  

The so-called "certainty of defection" is often discussed in Reformed circles in the context of the flawed five points of Calvinism, i.e. Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace and Perseverance of the Saints (TULIP).  

The scriptures do not present God as the author of sin. Scripture consistently affirms God’s holiness and righteousness, while also teaching that He permits sin within His sovereign plan without being its direct cause or agent. God's holiness is emphasised in various passages. Whereas God ordains all that comes to pass (Ephesians 1:11), He does so in a way that does not make Him morally responsible for sin.

Zins' suggestion that God is the author of sin even contradicts Calvinist theology.

The (Reformed) Westminster Confession of Faith (3.1): "God from all eternity did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass:  yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures, nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established."1 

The tension between God's sovereignty and human responsibility is a deep mystery. Some attempt to emphasise God's total control, which portrays Him as the author of sin, while others emphasise human free will, which deemphasises His sovereignty. Inevitably, when teachers go beyond their remit and go beyond what is written by teaching their preferred theories as fact, heresy and division result. The consistent biblical witness is that God remains holy and blameless and that he is never the author of sin.

You who are of purer eyes than to see evil and cannot look at wrong, why do you idly look at traitors and remain silent when the wicked swallows up the man more righteous than he? (Habakkuk 1:13).

Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. (James 1:13).

Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, with whom there is no change or shifting shadow. (James 1:17).

This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. (1 John 1:5).

Sin or evil as the absence of good  

The absence of good (Latin: privatio boni), also known as the privation theory of evil, is the philosophical/theological theory that evil, unlike good, is insubstantial. In other words, evil is not a created entity, but rather it is the absence of good. "If evil is a privation of good rather than a thing made by God, then God is said to create only good, and to permit the privations that constitute evil."2 According to this view, evil manifests when beings with free will choose to deviate from God's perfect design. I tend to resonate with this view to some extent, and I reject Zins' heretical speculations.

There are some clues to the mystery of evil in the narratives describing the fall of Lucifer in Ezekiel 28:12-17 and Isaiah 14:12ff. The title "O Day Star, son of Dawn" has been linked to Lucifer, whose name means "light-bearer" in Latin, reflecting his original state before his fall. This connection is made in part due to the Vulgate's translation and later theological interpretations.3

You were the signet of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, emerald, and carbuncle; and crafted in gold were your settings and your engravings. On the day that you were created they were prepared.You were an anointed guardian cherub. I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you. In the abundance of your trade you were filled with violence in your midst, and you sinned; so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God, and I destroyed you, O guardian cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Your heart was proud because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor. (Ezekiel 28:12-17).

The mystery of iniquity or lawlessness

 
For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. (2 Thessalonians 2:7).

Vincents Word Studies: "Mystery of iniquity (μυστήριον τῆς ἀνομίας)
Better, of lawlessness. The phrase is unique in N.T. and olxx. Mystery is found in various combinations, as mystery of the kingdom of heaven, Matthew 13:11 : of God, 1 Corinthians 2:1 : of his will, Ephesians 1:9 : of Christ, Ephesians 3:4 : of the gospel, Ephesians 6:19 : of faith, 1 Timothy 3:9 : of godliness, 1 Timothy 3:16 : of the seven stars Revemlation 1:20 : of the woman, Revelation 17:7. A mystery does not lie in the obscurity of a thing, but in its secrecy. It is not in the thing, but envelops it. Applied to a truth, it signifies a truth once hidden but now revealed or to be revealed; a truth which without special revelation would be unknown. It is almost universally found in connection with words signifying publication or revelation. See on Matthew 13:11. The mystery of lawlessness is the mass of lawlessness yet hidden, but which is to reveal itself in the person and power of Antichrist. The position of the word is emphatic, emphasizing the concealed character of the evil power."4

Topical Bible: "The phrase 'the knowledge of good and evil' first appears in Genesis 2:9, 'And out of the ground the LORD God made to grow every tree that is pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil'   

By eating the fruit, Adam and Eve assert their own judgment over divine command, leading to a rupture in their relationship with God. This act is seen as the original sin, which has affected all of humanity, as articulated in Romans 5:12: 'Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned'".5

Zins goes on to regurgitate old Calvinist erroneous arguments about Pharaoh and Esau. 

Not only that, but Rebecca’s children were conceived by one man, our father Isaac. Yet before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad, in order that God’s plan so election might stand, not by works but by Him who calls, she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” So it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Certainly not! For He says to Moses:
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
So then, it does not depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” Therefore God has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden. (Romans 9:10-18). 

Zins: "In Romans 9, (Pharaoh) is a vessel of wrath raised for a particular purpose.. What Paul is saying here is that God prepares vessels of wrath prepared for destruction in order that he might show the riches of His glory on vessels of mercy."  Zins goes on to say that Esau's fate was determined before he did anything good or bad. (15:00 mark) 

It is a mistake to take Romans 9 in isolation and out of the context of the larger narrative. The book of Romans emphasises faith as the cornerstone to gaining God's acceptance. (Romans 1:17,3:22,26-28,30,4:1-3,5:1; Hebrews 11). And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him. (Hebrews 11:6). Faith and righteousness are intrinsically bound together with God's mercy. Zins has replaced faith with God's sovereignty, and in doing so, he distorts the character of God into a monstrous caricature. 

Zins never mentions God's foreknowledge. (1 Peter 1:2). God knows the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:10). He knows the future just as if it had already happened. God hardened Pharaoh's heart only after he had hardened his own heart. (Exodus 8:15,32). Esau consistently disdained his inheritance and sold his birthright. Additionally, the verses about Jacob and Esau concern nations and not just individuals. 

And the LORD said to her, “Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples from within you shall be divided; the one shall be stronger than the other, the older shall serve the younger.” (Genesis 25:23 cf. Genesis 25:29-34; 26:34-35; Malachi 1:1-5).

Zins: "The potter has the right over the clay. That's another illustration. So He can do what He wants."

The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord: “Arise, and go down to the potter’s house, and there I will let you heara my words.” So I went down to the potter’s house, and there he was working at his wheel. And the vessel he was making of clay was spoiled in the potter’s hand, and he reworked it into another vessel, as it seemed good to the potter to do. Then the word of the Lord came to me: 6“O house of Israel, can I not do with you as this potter has done? declares the Lord. Behold, like the clay in the potter’s hand, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel. If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it, and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it. And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it, and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it. Now, therefore, say to the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: ‘Thus says the Lord, Behold, I am shaping disaster against you and devising a plan against you. Return, every one from his evil way, and amend your ways and your deeds.’ (Jeremiah 18:1-11).

The metaphor of the clay is misrepresented by false Calvinist teachers. The vessel “became marred”. The flaw is not due to the potter’s incompetence but to something intrinsic within the clay. This is an illustration of Israel’s stubborn sin. (Jeremiah 17:9 cf. 1 Corinthians 5:7). Despite being in the hands of the divine potter, Israel has become marred due to disobedience and idolatry. This reflects the historical context of Jeremiah's ministry, when he prophesied during a time of great apostasy and impending judgment. The flaw is not due to the potter's skill but the clay's resistance, symbolising human rebellion against God's will. This concept is echoed in Romans 9:20-21, where Paul discusses God's right to shape His creation as He sees fit. This passage includes a call to repentance and puts responsibility onto the clay (Israel). 

Romans 9 concludes with the reason for Israel's rejection. They did not pursue righteousness by faith, but rather they pursued it by works of the law. 

What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith; but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone, as it is written,“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense; and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.” (Romans 9:30-33 cf. Titus 3:5).

I demonstrated Zins' incompetence as a bible teacher in my previous post regarding his train crash eisegesis of 2 Peter 3:8-9.6 Tragically, Zins and Wessels appear to be unteachable and are holding onto their distorted view of God despite many proofs to the contrary. The plight of being unteachable and closed to correction is injurious to oneself and to others. (Proverbs 12:1; 15:32-33; Matthew 15:14). Zins' years-long habit of refuting Roman Catholic error and replacing it with Calvinist error is something he will have to answer for. (1 Timothy 1:7; 2 Timothy 2:15; James 3:1). Teachers should refute error with truth. (Titus 1:9). Unless they repent, Zins and Wessels should anticipate meeting the monster God they have publicly maligned and misrepresented all these years. (Matthew 25:26).   

1. westminster confession of faith 3.1 God ordains all things, “yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures” - Search

2.  Kinds and Origins of Evil (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy/Winter 2021 Edition)

3. Isaiah 14:12 How you have fallen from heaven, O day star, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the ground, O destroyer of nations.

4. 2 Thessalonians 2:7 Commentaries: For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.
5. Topical Bible: Knowledge of Good and Evil
6. WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: MY RESPONSE TO HARDCORE CALVINISTS ROB ZINS & LARRY WESSELS

Further Links

    

Vine Abiders - Deformation 6 - Romans 9 De-Calvinized

How Romans 9 Doesn't Support Calvinism
Debating James White on Romans 9

Topical Bible: The Consequences of Ignoring Correction