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Saturday, 5 April 2014


What are Richard Taylor's motives for doing the Crime-Stopper series “It Takes a Thief to Catch a Thief”? From a biblical standpoint, should a minister of the Lord (so called) be engaged in this sort of activity?
Richard Taylor demonstrates with aptitude and pride those things of which he should be ashamed (Romans 6/21). He appears to be very much enjoying the notoriety and a kind of perverted glory from his previous life of crime instead of fulfilling the calling of a genuine shepherd to suffer for the gospel of Christ. In the process he is upsetting and humiliating the very people he purports to be helping – namely the shopkeepers and their staff. Taylor demonstrates criminal “skills” which the general public were no doubt previously unaware. To shopkeepers and law enforcement agencies it is important to know these things, but these techniques may actually put ideas into the minds of weak people who would not otherwise have considered stealing. This series may be something of a double edged sword which could actually encourage stealing rather than prevent it!
The series itself confirms that as fast as deterrents to shoplifting are put into place, the criminals always find new ways of getting around them. The problem with humanity is the heart, not the outward actions (Jeremiah 17/9). People need to repent and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ so that their sins can be blotted out (Acts 3/19). Along with protecting the flock entrusted to them, this should be the number one priority of any true pastor. The gospel of Jesus Christ is the only way that people can really be changed from their hearts and be saved.
And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. (Mark 16/15)

Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. (John 12/25)C
What counts is whether we have been transformed into a new creation. (Galatians 6/15b)
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6/9-11)
Paul's instruction to Timothy:
Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. No soldier gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to please the one who enlisted him. (2 Timothy 2/3-4)
To another he (Jesus Christ) said, “Follow me.” But he said, “Lord, let me first go and bury my father.” And Jesus said to him, “Leave the dead to bury their own dead. But as for you, go and proclaim the kingdom of God.” (Luke 9/59-60; Matthew 8/21-22) In other words – let the spiritually dead, (those who are not true Christians – unregenerate people who have not been renewed by the Holy Spirit) deal with their own problems. Jesus Christ goes on to say: “But as for you (in this case probably an apostle) go and proclaim the kingdom of God.” This man probably wished to stay with his father until his father's death, and his request seemed reasonable in humanistic terms..... but not to Jesus Christ. Following Christ is a tough call contrary to popular belief. Jesus Christ told this man to prioritise and focus on his calling.

In the case of Richard Taylor, no biblical argument can be made for doing the series “It Takes a Thief to Catch a Thief”. The Bible tells us that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one (1 John 5/19). The problems of this world will never be resolved until the return of Jesus Christ. Christians are not called to fix the problems of this world or to attempt to make the world a better place without the gospel.
Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. (1 John 2/15)
They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. (John 17/16).


I do not believe for one second that Richard Taylor is a genuine minister of the Lord. For one thing his doctrine is totally unbiblical and his guest speakers are all apostates without exception. The so called Welsh Outpouring has dredged up many problems involving the dubious ministry of Richard Taylor and his sidekick Andrew Parsons. Instead of breaking the law of the land as a criminal, Taylor has taken full advantage of his transferable skills as a con artist. Furthermore he has influential connections and even has the authorities on side - The way of the wicked prospers and the treacherous thrive. (Jeremiah 12)

…..if the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?” (Psalm 11/3)
In just a little while, the wicked will be no more; though you look carefully at his place, he will not be there. (Psalm 37/10)

It really was very odd that Cllr Haynes should represent local residents over retrospective planning permissions and also promote Unite@Victory on her Facebook page. Cllr Haynes has close relatives and Facebook friends attending Victory Church in Cwmbran. Needless to say, no action has been taken against Victory Church to address retrospective planning permissions despite legitimate complaints. Similarly no action has been taken to protect the residents of Victory Outreach UK, despite a number of people raising genuine concerns that the ex-prisoners under the “care” of VOUK have come under the cultish influence of the leaders of Victory Church. These ex-prisoners were obligated to attend the nightly meetings and were subjected to hours and hours of mind control techniques and false teaching. In addition no answer has been forthcoming concerning VC's very strange acquisition of their campus at Merthyr Tydfil. With suspect qualifications and phony healings, Richard Taylor is as much a scam artist as ever he was, only now he does it by spiritual deception. Incredibly, despite irrefutable evidence to the contrary, a core group of people still attend Victory Church and attribute the false manifestations to an “outpouring” of the Holy Spirit.
An appalling and horrible thing
has happened in the land:
the prophets prophesy falsely,
and the priests rule at their direction;
my people love to have it so,
but what will you do when the end comes?
(Jeremiah 5/30-31)

These are just a few of the issues that have been thrown up by the so called “Welsh Outpouring” which is spreading like gangrene into various parts of the UK (2 Timothy 2/17).
Taylor and Parsons are not honest and open about their finances.
Local residents have been upset by the nightly “outpouring” meetings which were held without planning permission. Victory Church only have planning permission for one assembly meeting a week.

Concerns were raised that the residents of Victory Outreach UK were coerced into attending all the“outpouring” meetings and were suffering from abusive treatment. http://watchman4wales.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/richard-taylor-andrew-parsons- self.html#comment-form
Concerns were raised by the medical profession about the alleged “healings” at Victory Church, none of which can be medically verified. http://www.itv.com/news/wales/update/2013-08-15/cwmbran-church-under-scrutiny-over-miracle-healings/)
Taylor and other leaders of Victory Church insist that they are addressed as “Pastor” as a prefix to their names. Ironically the qualifications of Taylor and Parsons previously published on their website are suspect. http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/call-no-man-your-father-matthew-239_9.html
Bethania Chapel in Dowlais, Merthyr Tydfil was acquired by Victory Church under very dubious circumstances. http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/the-welsh-outpouring-open-letter-to.html


“In 2013 after hosting a national conference in Cardiff The Lord spoke to them (Taylor and Parsons) from psalms 2:8 ‘Ask of Me, and I will give You The nations for Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth for Your possession’ Today VIM (Victory International Ministries) is carrying an evangelistic anointing to the nations by hosting conferences, crusades, revival meetings and teaching materials to resource the body of Christ in reaching nations.” http://viministry.org/about-us/
Psalm 2/8 taken IN context is messianic i.e. it refers to the Messiah and no one else! It is a conversation between God the Father and the Son and concerns the reign of the Lord's anointed, Jesus Christ during his millennial reign. The Gentiles will be divided into nations with Jesus Christ as their righteous ruler (Psalm 2/8; Isaiah 42/1; Daniel 7/14,27).
I will tell of the decree:
The LORD said to me, “You are my Son;
today I have begotten you.
Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage,
and the ends of the earth your possession.
You shall break them with a rod of iron
and dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.” (Psalm 2/7-9)
For Taylor and Parsons to take messianic prophecies and apply them to themselves is the very height of arrogance. This is the spirit of antichrist who is not only against Christ but is a usurper and puts himself in the place of Christ.
The title of the series “It Takes a Thief to Catch a Thief” is very apt.

University College London researchers have come up with some very interesting findings:
“Human beings are surprisingly bad at spotting deception - perhaps because we do so much of it - but one group are VERY good... liars themselves.

In a speaking test, liars were able to spot other liars far more accurately than people who told the truth - which might explain why poker players are good at both.”
Taylor says that the thieves don't care about those they steal from. That phrase: “they don't care” has stuck in my mind regarding Taylor - he just doesn't care.

Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared..... (1 Timothy 1/1-2)
Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues; (Revelation 18/4)



Anonymous said...

Treena So glad to see you continuing with the work of exposing these people Your blog is so accurate and shows the whole facade for what it is Amazed that they are still being successful at what they do best but Im certain that sooner or later they will get caught out, lets pray that its sooner and that no-one else will be deceived by them
Praise God for people like you who will not be silenced

With His blessings

Treena Gisborn said...

Thank you Anonymous. I was going to leave Taylor and Parsons with Rob and Nev to continue, but this TV series and the spread of the WO made me think again. It is more than a Welsh problem I think. The Bible verses in Luke 9 seemed applicable. God bless you.

Anonymous said...

Hi, treena,

another excellent article. I can tell you that comment regarding thieves dont care stuck in my mind also. I just fail to grasp how so many can be led astray with all this. i do find it distressing. God BLess your work TREENA

Anonymous said...

Thank you Treena for you informative insights which again are on the nail. Pleaseed to hear that you will be looking into all this again with Rob and Nev, your articles last year were excellent and we value your work. I agree that this tv show is somewhat a double edged sword, whilst possibly a deterrent, could also lead to a rise in crime, and for a minister to be propagating such is very questionable. I view Taylor very much as a narcissist who has already damged many people in his personal crusade. Looking forward to more articles which will expose the truth of the situation.

God bless you


Treena Gisborn said...

Thank you Anon. I'm sure how much further to go with this - I will have to wait and see if the Lord leads me any further. Sometimes we do all we can do and then have to leave it to Him. There is a terrible judgement coming on Taylor unless he repents. God bless you.

Anonymous said...

Hello Treena,

well written article again and voices the concern we have about the goings on with the leadership in Cwmbran and the associated WO. Makes me wonder if other cities follow suit, charismatic hyped-up leadership surrounded by cronies blowing their own trumpets and duping the church with emotional 'signs and wonders'. How many people actually get healed an delivered in these meetings? Not just the bad back and headache cures or stretching a leg in some 'pilates' growing miracle. I can't believe that the church is so mind numbed to take it all in and run with it.!!

These men and others of their ilk are con men, self deceived and will lead you astray in all sincerity. God speed their end and the true Godly restoration of the church through the precious Word of God, foolishness to those who don't believe but the power of God unto salvation for those who do. Perhaps Treena I may encourage you to write a few teaching blogs, you have a gift to bring out the scripture and make plain the Gospel. you are called like Jeremiah not just to uproot and tear down, destroy and overthrow but to build and to plant. Looking forward to the next read, andy T

Treena Gisborn said...

Thank you AndyT for your comments. You are right in everything you say - it is so very concerning what is happening in the churches. I will give some thought to what you say about teaching. I have taught small groups previously, and as you say it is important to build up as well as tear down. God bless you

Anonymous said...

I am asking for any information on victory outreach international ministries. I am no longer involved with them but have friends who are. So any info would be very appreciated.