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Sunday, 10 September 2017


I will say to the north, Give up, and to the south, Do not withhold; bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the end of the earth.. (Isaiah 43:6).

2017 09 03 Jacob Prasch "The Broken Cistern"

Jacob Prasch: "Most Christians don't get this: The Jews are the people of God, believers are the children of God. The Jews can be a child, but most of them are not, they are the people of God." 

When bible teachers make statements like: "You do not understand", without actually teaching any specifics, then raise a red flag!

I am not quite sure why Prasch makes this particular statement, other than the fact that it may diminish his hearers understanding of God's relationship to Israel at the present time. It is very remiss that he should make throw away comments about God's relationship to Israel without explanation. It is no light matter to superimpose ones own views onto the scriptures, but he does keep doing it! A little leaven leavens the whole lump. (Matthew 13:33; 1 Corinthians 5:6; Galatians 5:9).

The sonship of Israel permeates the bible, and yet Prasch dares to redefine it!
Israel are referred to as God's sons/children in the following Old Testament verses:
Exodus 4:22; Deuteronomy 14:1; Hosea 11:1; 31:20; Psalm 82:6; Psalm 73:15.
Thus says the LORD, Israel is my firstborn son. (Exodus 4:22 cf. Romans 9:4).
Jesus Christ's sojourn in Egypt is given as a parallel and ultimate fulfilment of the Exodus led by Moses: Out of Israel I called my Son. (Matthew 2:15; Hosea 11:1).
Isaiah 43:6 in particular defines the Jews returning to the land of Israel as "sons and daughters". There are various reasons why this verse refers to the eschatological recovery of the Jewish people a second time. (Isaiah 11:11-12). The first "regathering" of the Jews occurred when they returned from the Babylonian and Assyrian exile. (Isaiah 10:20-27; 44:26-45:8). {1}
Note: "rebellious/faithless children" (Isaiah 30:1,9; 57:4; Jeremiah 3:14-22).

God is specifically called the Father of the nation of Israel in Deuteronomy 32:6; Isaiah 63:16, 64:8; Jeremiah 3:4,19, 31:9; Malachi 1:6, 2:10.
Do you thus repay the LORD, you foolish and senseless people? Is not he your father, who created you, who made you and established you? (Deuteronomy 32:6). The King James version has: ..is not he thy father that hath bought thee? The Hebrew verb is qanah  (kaw-naw') = to erect, i.e. create; by extension, to procure, especially by purchase (causatively, sell); by implication to own. {2}
Elliott's Commentary: "The first line is an exclamatory question. A question and an exclamation have the same name in the Rabbinical writings. 'Hath gotten' in the third line is the same expression which Eve used (in Genesis 4:1) at the birth of Cain, and occurs also in that magnificent saying in the history of Wisdom, Proverbs 8:22, “'The Lord begat me (as) the beginning of his way.'” {3}

Israel are also referred to historically as  the sons/children of Abraham, the children of Israel, the Daughter Zion, God’s chosen people..

The Pharisees who were hostile to Jesus took their position as God's children as read : We have one Father—even God. (John 8:41). Jesus did not correct them in terms of their concept of "sonship", but rather, He questioned their true loyalties: “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. (John 8:42). Consequently, they were rejected as "children of God," and identified by Jesus as: "children of your father the devil". (John 8:44). For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.. (Romans 9:6).

Was the prodigal son any less a son even though he was as good as "dead" so to speak? ..for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found. (Luke 15:11-24). I would not presume to apply the parable of the prodigal son only to the Jews, but there is much in it that equates with the present position of the Jewish remnant yet to be saved. For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? (Romans 11:15).

Israel's relationship with God has been temporarily suspended, although from God's eternal standpoint, it seems evident that He does regard them as "sons".  Even in wordly terms, an estranged relation is still a relation.. for instance, an estranged wife is still a "wife". Israel's temporary estrangement is a controversial subject for those Zionists who blindly accept everything about the modern state of Israel, especially those who insist that Jews do not need the gospel. At its core, this lie of the devil, has, I believe, sprung from the Vatican's distortion of Romans 11:28-29: "In concrete terms this means that the Catholic Church neither conducts nor supports any specific institutional mission work directed towards Jews." {4}

The Jewish people, for the most part, are presently intensely hostile to their true Messiah and are being gathered in unbelief; they have "no breath in them". (Ezekiel 37:7-8). I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land. (THEN) I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleanness, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. (Ezekiel 36:24-26). Verse 25: The KJV and the NAS begins "Then". 

Under the Law of Return, Jews have the right to make Aliyah; that is, they have the right to live in Israel and to gain Israeli citizenship no matter what political, religious or personal views they may hold. However an exclusion applies! Messianic Jews are denied Israeli citizenship if they answer in the affirmative to the question: “Have you ever been a Messianic Jew or have you ever believed in Yeshua as Messiah?” Furthermore, it is possible for a Gentile to convert to Judaism, but such a conversion absolutely necessitates the awful sin of denying Jesus Christ. Ivanka Trump, a former Presbyterian, underwent the process converting to Orthodox Judaism in 2009, presumably as a condition of her marriage to Jewish husband Jared Kushner. (Matthew 10:33). "She describes her conversion as an 'amazing and beautiful journey which her father supported 'from day one', adding that he has "tremendous respect" for the Jewish religion." {5} For those who class Donald Trump as a Christian, it is simply unspeakable that a true Christian would support their own child in denying Jesus Christ!

The establishment of the State of Israel on May 14th 1948 was a major prophetic event. Scripturally there is a future prophetic purpose for Israel, and they are loved on account of the patriarchs: As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. (Romans 11:28-29 cf. Romans 9:5). 

Gill's Exposition: "..but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes; as many of them as belong to the election of grace, are beloved of God; and will appear to be so, when they are called by grace, as they will be, for the confirming of the promises concerning their future restoration made unto their fathers; not one of which shall ever fall to the ground, or they be deprived of any gifts and blessings of grace, which God has purposed for them, or promised to them.." {6}

But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree. (Romans 11:17-24).

I ask, then, has God rejected (his) people (λαὸν)? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. has not rejected (his) people whom he foreknew.(Romans 11:1-2).

A number of scriptures refer to the Jews temporary estrangement in terms of future of reconciliation.. They will be "my people":

But I will save them from all the backslidings in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them; and they shall be my people, and I will be their God... reiterated in v 27.  (Ezekiel 11:20, 27).
And I will be their God, and they will be My people. (Hebrews 8:10).
I will give them a heart to know that I am the LORD, and they shall be my people and I will be their God, for they shall return to me with their whole heart. (Jeremiah 24:7).

In the New Testament, believers are identified in identical terms as the Jews i.e. as both "children/sons" and "the people of God".

Once you were not a people, but now you are God’s people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. (1 Peter 2:10).

“Those who were not my people I will call ‘my people,’ and her who was not beloved I will call ‘beloved.’” (Romans 9:25).

"The 'olive-tree, wild by nature' ( Romans 11:24 ), is the shoot or cutting of the good olive-tree which, left ungrafted, grows up to be a 'wild olive.' In Romans 11:17 Paul refers to the practice of grafting shoots of the wild olive into a 'good"'olive which has become unfruitful. By such a process the sap of the good olive, by pervading the branch which is 'graffed in,' makes it a good branch, bearing good olives. Thus the Gentiles, being a 'wild olive,' but now 'graffed in,' yield fruit, but only through the sap of the tree into which they have been grafted. This is a process 'contrary to nature' ( 11:24 ). {7}

As demonstrated above, both the Old and New Testament applies the term "children of God", "sons of God" and "people of God", to both Jews and Christians. Arguments, or in this case "opinions" from the silence of the scriptures are usually tenuous. God has not changed his mind about Israel's sonship: For I, the LORD, do not change; therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed. (Malachi 3:6). ..with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change. (James 1:17 cf. Romans 11:29). Perhaps Jacob Prasch would explain what he means exactly by "Jews are the people of God, believers are the children of God", so that we can examine the scriptures to see if these things are so? (Acts 17:11).

Many concerns about Prasch's Intra-Seal rapture theory also remain outstanding. Perhaps he would also address the various questions I have raised on this subject? {8} The question of his endorsement of ecumenical "prophets" David Noakes and Clifford Hill has never been addressed either! {9}.

I find a very weak mind-set amongst those who are resolved to "follow" Jacob Prasch irrespective of the scriptures. It reminds me of the unquestioning but misplaced trust of those unfortunate Christians who follow the more obvious false teachers. There are some Christians who continue to support Prasch despite serious concerns about his extra-biblical teachings. They are unwilling to test the spirits or to question anything he teaches. (1 John 4:1 cf. 2 Corinthians 11:4). Exactly the same rule applies to Jacob Prasch as to any other teacher. If what he says does not line up with the scriptures, then he is a false teacher.. unless of course he can prove otherwise?

But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. (2 Corinthians 11:3 cf. Genesis 3:1).

Is the Star of David a legitimate symbol for Israel?

{1} http://www.evidenceunseen.com/articles/prophecy/the-regathering-of-israel/
{2} http://biblehub.com/lexicon/deuteronomy/32-6.htm
{3} http://biblehub.com/commentaries/deuteronomy/32-6.htm
{4} http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/relations-jews-docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_20151210_ebraismo-nostra-aetate_en.html
{5} https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivanka_Trump
{6} http://biblehub.com/commentaries/gill/romans/11.htm
{7} http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/olive-tree/
{8} https://www.amazon.co.uk/INTRA-SEAL-RAPTURE-DECEPTION-EXPOSED-devised-ebook/dp/B06X6N2JJT/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1504953806&sr=8-1&keywords=intra-seal

{9} https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/


Irving S. said...

Excellent article that you have put together here, Treena. You certainly know how to cover all the bases!

Treena Gisborn said...

Thank you Irv.
I am not suggesting that the Jews do not need the gospel as someone has suggested elsewhere. I thought that was clear from the post, but I perhaps need to clarify:
Israel are His children in the sense of His deep enduring love for them as the apple of His eye. (Zechariah 2:8). However, their status as eternal "children of God" is contingent upon repentance and faith in JESUS CHRIST..  just like every other human being. At the same time it is clear that God does regard them as "His children" historically.. nothing in the scriptures suggests otherwise.
I have severe doubts that Prasch is the supporter of Israel that he claims!
God bless.