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Saturday 12 August 2023

JOE SCHIMMEL'S APPALLING ESCHATOLOGY

 (71) NAR, Seven Mountains and Witchcraft in the Church - YouTube

I agree with Joe Shimmel's assessment of the NAR and I have no issues with his presentation in this respect. However, it is regrettable that he rushes through his material. A number of Christians are now knowledgeable about the NAR thanks to people like Holly Pivec and Doug Geivett etc. Those with some knowledge of the NAR can probably follow Schimmel without too much difficulty. However, I think those who are new to this subject will find it very difficult to digest the information Schimmel rattles out at break-neck speed, and they may even abandon the video. In my view, a slower pace would benefit the people who need this information the most. I don't know why Schimmel and Davidson feel that they have to rush through presentations and impose unrealistic time limits upon themselves.

Schimmel is something of a double-edged sword in that while his teaching is sound in many respects, his eschatology leaves much to be desired and is counterproductive. An essential principle for teachers to follow is to ensure that their own theology is sound, otherwise, they simply give ammunition to false teachers, with the inevitable result that further damage and confusion ensues. Schimmel's rapture theory is a stark example of inadequate research and sloppy exegesis. See the link below for Schimmel's "traditional" post-trib view regarding his concurrent-recapitulation view of the sixth seal, sixth trumpet, and sixth bowl.

In the above video, another glaring example of Schimmel's poor eschatology is exposed. Shimmel: "He lets His own children, by the hundreds of millions perhaps, go through the tribulation period.." (57:30 mark)

After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen.
Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?” I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. (Revelation 7:9-14).   

The logical event that defines the appearance of the great multitude in heaven is the prewrath rapture following the sixth seal cosmic disturbances. (Revelation 6:2-17). The great multitude consists of the full number of living and dead believers from all generations, rather than those who specifically go through "the great tribulation" of Matthew 24:21. In my view, not too many believers will "go through" the great tribulation since many of them will have been persecuted and martyred. (Matthew 24:9-10,22; Revelation 13:7,15-17; Revelation 20:4). Following the deliverance (rapture) of the great multitude, the seventh seal is opened. After about half an hour of silence, the wrath of God is executed chronologically from heaven by the seven angels: When the Lamb opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. Then I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them. (Revelation 8:1-2).

Ellicott: "Are we to limit the expression to the special and peculiar afflictions of the last great trial? There is no doubt about the emphasis which the definite article (unfortunately, ignored in our English version) gives: it is the great tribulation; but while there may yet be in store for the Church of Christ trials so great that they may be called, in comparison with those which went before, the great tribulation, it yet seems out of harmony with the spirit of the Apocalypse and the complexion of this vision to limit the phrase to some special season of trial. Is not the great tribulation the tribulation which those must encounter who are on the side of Christ and righteousness, and refuse to receive the mark of worldliness and sin on their heart, conscience, and life? In all ages it is true that we must through much tribulation enter the Kingdom of God; and the vision here is surely not of those who will come safe out of some particular trials, but of the great multitude from every age and every race who waged war against sin, and who, in the midst of that protracted conflict, endured the great tribulation which is to continue until Christ’s return." 1

Pulpit Commentary: "The repeated article is especially emphatic. The question arises What is 'the great tribulation' referred to? Probably all the tribulation which has been passed through by the redeemed, all that which pertained to the life through which they have passed. This tribulation is now completed and past, and is therefore referred to as 'the great tribulation.' 'These are they which have passed through the great tribulation of their life on earth.'" 1

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