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Thursday 26 August 2021

JOE SCHIMMEL: PREWRATH VERSUS POST-TRIB RAPTURE VIEWS

(2) Wednesday Night Bible Study - YouTube

Next Wednesday Joe Schimmel will contrast the prewrath and post-trib rapture views in 'The Day of the Lord - Part 2'. 

Joe Schimmel: "Our prewrath brethren believe that the tribulation ends with the sixth seal.. they believe that the trumpets and the bowls are not really part of the tribulation period but God's wrath, and that we are out right before that... What they are calling the day of the Lord is the tribulation still.. prewrath is not truly post-trib because what they call the day of the Lord is the tribulation period."

It will be interesting to see how Joe Schimmel will reconcile his views with Matthew 24:29-31 and Revelation 6:12-17. Matthew 24:29 specifically states that the sixth seal cosmic disturbances occur immediately after the tribulation. I think next weeks video will be important for believers to consider. 

Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.' At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. (Matthew 24:29-31).

And when I saw the Lamb open the sixth seal, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black like sackcloth of goat hair, and the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind. The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place. Then the kings of the earth, the nobles, the commanders, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and free man hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. And they said to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?” (Revelation 6:12-17).

Wednesday 18 August 2021

EMMA STARK: ANGEL ENCOUNTERS?



It is quite hard to know where to begin with Emma Stark she has so many tall stories. Having viewed a few of her videos, I have opted to critique her alleged encounter with a six-winged "seraphim" in her room as an eighteen year old student. Actually the term seraphim ˈsɛrəfɪm  is the plural of seraph ˈsɛrəf, so whatever it was that Emma Stark saw (or claims to have seen), should be described in the singular ~ seraph. The only time seraphim are mentioned in the scriptures is in Isaiah 6:1-7. We therefore have very little information with which to base an accurate assessment of them. Seraphim are burning/fiery ones. They are described as celestial creatures positioned above the throne of God having six wings, two of which are for flying, while the remainder cover their heads and feet:

In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple. Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. And one called to another and said: “Holy, holy, holy is the LORD of hosts; the whole earth is full of his glory! ”And the foundations of the thresholds shook at the voice of him who called, and the house was filled with smoke. And I said: “Woe is me! For I am lost; for I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts! ”Then one of the seraphim flew to me, having in his hand a burning coal that he had taken with tongs from the altar. And he touched my mouth and said: “Behold, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away, and your sin atoned for.” (Isaiah 6:1-7).

A possible equivalent of seraphim is found in Revelation 4. This passage describes four living creatures constantly giving praise to God around His throne:

And around the throne, on each side of the throne, are four living creatures, full of eyes in front and behind: the first living creature like a lion, the second living creature like an ox, the third living creature with the face of a man, and the fourth living creature like an eagle in flight. And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all around and within, and day and night they never cease to say, “Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come!” (Revelation 4:4-8).

The same word (has·se·ra·fim) describes the fiery serpents sent by the Lord to execute judgement on the Israelites after they spoke against God and Moses:

Then the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people, so that many people of Israel died. (Numbers 21:6 cf. Isaiah 14:29).

Seraphim are also mentioned in 2 Enoch (in conjunction with cherubim) as the heavenly creatures standing nearest to the throne of God.

Various extra-biblical texts describe the seraphim located in the throne room in close proximity to God Himself. In Jewish theology seraphim are connected with cherubim and ophanim as the three highest orders of attendants on Yahweh. These beings are superior to the angels who are messengers sent on various errands. {1}

Given the available information, it seems highly unlikely that one of the four seraphim constantly giving praise to God would leave the throne room to visit Emma Stark!

Are Angel Encounters Biblically Normative?

Emma Stark claims that it is "biblically normal" to have angelic encounters, and that there is "a new paradigm" of believers partnering with angels today. Emma Stark: "Angels are in scripture 300 times, so they are quite common; but 104 of those times they are interacting, talking, to people." This is a gross exaggeration. Angels are mentioned 273 times in the scriptures. I have counted approximately 30 occurrences of angels directly interacting with humans.

In the New Testament there are about 20 interactions between humans and angels. However some of these encounters occur in dreams and visons and are not direct physical manifestations. 

Luke 1:11-20, 26-38 - An angel appeared to Zacharias regarding John the Baptist. 
Luke 1:26-38 - Gabriel appeared to Mary regarding the birth of Jesus Christ.
Matthew 1:18-20, 2:12 - 13, 19 - 21 - An angel of the Lord came to Joseph in three separate dreams.
Luke 2:9-15 - Angels appeared to the shepherds.
Matthew 4:11 - Angels ministered to Jesus Christ.
John 5:1-4 - An angel stirred the waters in the pool of Bethesda. (probably non-physical).
Luke 22:43 - An angel appeared to Jesus and strengthened Him.
Matthew 28:1-2, 5 - 6, Mark 16:5 - 6 - An angel appeared twice near Jesus' tomb declaring to Mary, Mary Magdalene and others that the Lord had risen from the dead.
Acts 1:10-11 - Two angels appeared to the disciples following Jesus ascension to heaven.
Acts 5:17-21 - An angel of the Lord opened the prison doors and released the apostles from prison.
Acts 8:26-38 - An angel appeared to Philip.
Acts 10:3-7, 30 - 32 - An angelic being appeared to Cornelius, in a vision instructing him to seek out the Apostle Peter. 
Acts 12:1-10 - God sent an angel to release Peter from prison.
Acts 27:23 - 24 - An angel appeared to Paul in a dream.
Revelation 1:1-2 - An angel was sent to the Apostle John on Patmos.
Revelation 7:2;  9:14; 10:8-9; 11:1-2; Revelation 17; Revelation 22:6-11 - John's vision on the Isle of Patmos.

I mention these appearances to make the point that direct physical encounters with angels in the NT overwhelmingly concern Jesus Christ directly i.e. His birth, various events during His childhood and His earthly ministry, His resurrection and His second coming. The rare occurrences of angel encounters in the book of Acts appear to facilitate the calling of the apostles in order to spread the gospel. 

In the Old Testament, direct physical encounters with angels often occur in the form of a theophany i.e. the angel of the Lord

Genesis 16:7–14. The angel of the Lord appears to Hagar. The angel speaks as God himself in the first person, and in verse 13 Hagar identifies "the LORD that spake unto her" as "Thou God seest me".
Genesis 22:11–15. The angel of the Lord appears to Abraham and refers to himself as God in the first person.
Exodus 3:2–4. The angel of the Lord appears to Moses in a flame in verse 2, and God speaks to Moses from the flame in verse 4, both instances referring to himself in the first person.
Numbers 22:22–38. The angel of the Lord meets the prophet Balaam on the road. In verse 38, Balaam identifies the angel who spoke to him as delivering the word of God.
Judges 2:1–3. An angel of the Lord appears to Israel.
Judges 6:11–23. An angel of the Lord appears to Gideon, and in verse 22 Gideon fears for his life because he has seen an angel of the Lord face to face.
Judges 13:3–22. The angel of the Lord appears to Manoah and his wife and, in verse 16, tells them to offer to the LORD if they are to make an offering ("And the angel of the LORD said unto Manoah [...] if thou wilt offer a burnt offering, thou must offer it unto the LORD. For Manoah knew not that he was an angel of the LORD."). Later Manoah thought he and his wife will die for they "have seen God"
Zechariah 1:12. The angel of the Lord pleads with the Lord to have mercy on Jerusalem and the cities of Judah.
Zechariah 3:4. The angel of the Lord takes away the sin of the high priest Joshua. {2} 

Emma Stark upstages the prophet Isaiah!    

Emma Stark: "He (the seraph) was terrifying. They are many winged, in fact they are six winged. And this angel said 'The Lord has heard your prayers', and he physically put the coal to my lips and my entire mouth went totally ulcerated and I started to bleed.. I was in pain.. I had met physically, not just spiritually, with the power and the purification of the Lord. I was terrified and I went straight to my minister.. And he just got some water and blessed it and said 'drink it', and as quickly as the burning had come, it went."  

Are we to seriously believe that Emma Stark had a comparable event to the prophet Isaiah, and that her sins were taken away? There is only one way that our sins are taken away: the blood of Jesus Christ. (Matthew 26:28; Hebrews 9:14; 1 John 1:7; Revelation 1:5). Apart from this major problem, there is never an instance of an angel harming a true believer in the scriptures.

The Holy Spirit

Paul describes angels as: ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation. (Hebrews 1:14). I have no doubt that angels are active in carrying out Gods Word. (Psalm 103:20; 1 Peter 3:22). Angels have appeared to humans on rare occasions, but these appearances should not be expected or construed as "normal". Emma Stark quotes Hebrews 13:2 regarding "entertaining angels". This verse demonstrates that we may unknowingly come into contact with angels, but that they are not recognizable as such. Those who continually promote angelic encounters, are, in my view, deceivers. These supposed "angelic encounters" are either blatant falsehoods or demonic manifestations. They should be rejected along with all the other associated blasphemous antics of New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) false prophets as demonstrated by their constant flow of false prophecies, manufactured signs and fake healings. (Matthew 12:39)

...in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. (Hebrews 1:2).

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. (John 14:26).

British Isles Council of Prophets

Emma Stark administers the British Isles Council of Prophets.

BICP: "We recognise that there are at least five areas of prophetic responsibility for a nation:
1. To speak to the destiny of that nation – calling its heavenly future to be established.
2. To raise up an army to pray, fight and engage – calling the people into place.
3. To open the gates of a nation, that the reign of Jesus Christ may come in – welcoming what God wants now (explaining the present).
4. To identify and confront spiritual strongholds – setting the nation free of its past.
5. To expose hidden demonic strategies – setting the nation free in its future." 
{3}

This is the usual unbiblical dominionist post-millenial claptrap emanating from the NAR. The scriptures inform us that the Antichrist, not the church, will dominate the whole world for a period of 3.5 years prior to the return of Jesus Christ. 

He (the Antichrist) shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. (Daniel 7:25).

One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast. (Revelation 13:3).

Also it (the beast/Antichrist) was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation.. (Revelation 13:7).


"A special international version of Prophetic Dateline hosted by Mike & Cindy Jacobs. "Moving into 'The Pentecost of Pentecosts season', we need to hear God’s voice for this hour. We have chosen three prophets from Great Britain for the accuracy of their prophetic Words, and the fresh insight they have for you in this tumultuous season." Emma Stark: Co-Founder of Glasgow Prophetic Centre an International Apostolic hub, a global network of prophetic ministers and one of Scotland’s fastest growing churches. Dr. Sharon Stone: Apostle of Christian International Europe, Managing Director at PropheticVoicetv, International Prophet and Pastor at My Church Windsor Simon Braker: Co-Founders of Legacy Ministries International and Founder of The School of the Spirit."

Above: The infamous Cindy Jacobs names three NAR "prophets" from Great Britain. 
*I have previously written a number of posts about Simon Braker who is based in Leicester. {4} 

I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; (Acts 20:29 cf. Matthew 7:15).

And what I am doing I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. (2 Corinthians 11:12-15).

1. What Are Seraphim? Are They Angels? (biblestudytools.com)
2. Angel of the Lord - Wikipedia
3. British Isles Council of Prophets | The official website for the British Isles Council of Prophets (BICP). Fostering relationships, aiding communication and encouraging the prophetic voice in England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and Ireland
* 4. WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: Simon Braker (bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com) 

Tuesday 10 August 2021

JUSTIN PETERS: CALVINIST OBJECTIONS TO BETHEL + HILLSONG MUSIC

CALVINISTS VERSUS CHARISMATICS

(22) 3 Reasons Churches Should Stop Using Bethel & Hillsong Music | Part 1 with Justin Peters - YouTube
(27) 3 Reasons Churches Should Stop Using Bethel & Hillsong Music | Part 2 with Justin Peters - YouTube

The above videos with Calvinists Justin Peters and Joel Webbon (Right Response Ministries) outline three objective reasons why churches should stop using Bethel and Hillsong music in their worship services:

1. Bethel and Hillsong are not true churches.
2. By using Bethel and Hillsong music, you are subjecting weaker members of your body to heresy.
3. Even the non-heretical songs by Bethel and Hillsong still are not theologically robust enough to combat the idolatry and heresy that already exists  

Justin Peters' view that both Bethel and Hillsong are non-Christian cults is correct. In these two videos Justin Peters' distills the false beliefs of the Word-Faith/Charismatic/New Apostolic Reformation cults and focuses on their over-realized eschatology and their presumption in making false declarations out of sync with the scriptures.  

One of the problems of these cults is a mistranslation of Philippians 2:6-7:  ..who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped (harpagmos), but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

These heretical cults misinterpret harpagmos (verse 6) to diminish the deity of Jesus Christ during his earthly ministry. They teach that Jesus divested Himself of His deity and they claim that He was only empowered by the Holy Spirit. These charlatans go on to claim that Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to replicate the incarnation in believers. This teaching goes hand in hand with their false "little gods" theology. Jesus did not divest Himself of his deity, He had full equality with the Father during his earthly ministry, but His divinity was often veiled or concealed and not perceived for the most part (with rare exceptions [Matthew 16:16-17,17:2]). The true interpretation of harpagmos is the act of seizing or the thing seized, especially an open display of force. {1} 

Pulpit Commentary: "Verse 7. - But made himself of no reputation; rather, as R.V., but emptied himself; not, he indeed, of the Godhead, which could not be, but of its manifestation, its glory. {2} 

These cults claim to do the very thing that even Jesus Christ did not do during His earthly ministry, though He was divine; they presume to seize their imagined equality with God and claim to work various signs through the power of the Holy Spirit. These blasphemous beliefs have resulted in experiential Christianity minus sound doctrine, a constant flow of false prophesies, false (manufactured) signs and fake healings.

Bethel/Hillsong Music

Churches are legally obliged to pay royalties to Bethel/Hillsong/Elevation under CCLI Agreements when they use their materials. Every time churches use these materials, they are not only monetizing these blasphemers, they are propagating their false theological system. By doing so, many church leaders are working to the detriment of the true faith and promoting a different Jesus, a different spirit and a different gospel. (2 Corinthians 11:4). Bethel/Hillsong materials are the snare that pulls unsuspecting believers into the NAR Antichrist heretical system. It should not be necessary to remind pastors and elders that their primary responsibility is to protect the flock, not to expose them to the wolves! (Titus 1:9).

Is Calvinism the Answer? 

Many are persuaded that Calvinist Justin Peters has his theology all sorted out, but the truth is that the Calvinist (Reformed) camp have crippling doctrinal errors in their own right. Not least of these is the despicable doctrine of limited atonement i.e. the belief that Jesus did not die for the sins of the whole world i.e. for everyone.. for all.. for whosoever is a wicked distortion of the scriptures. (John 3:16, 5:24). Calvinism's determinism diminishes the gospel of Jesus Christ and causes inestimable damage to many believers. The spiritual torment that many suffer under this heavy burden causes some to actually give up because they fail to find the answer to the question: How do I know absolutely that I am saved and part of the elect? Those believers of a sensitive disposition who find themselves ensnared in the Reformed camp are often tortured with the nagging doubt that they may be reprobate and not really elect. Determinism or "the secret will of God", based on Deuteronomy 29:29, defies a satisfactory answer, and so many are left in a swamp of hopelessness and despair. This is not God's will for believers! No Christian should allow this wicked doctrine to destroy their joy and peace in Jesus Christ. (Galatians 5:22).

The mantra of the Reformed camp is the Westminster Confession of Faith. 

The Westminster Confession: "God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass: yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established." (3.1)

Right Response Ministries: "Limited Atonement We believe that in the mercy and justice of God the Father, he was not willing to subjugate his Son to suffer under his wrath on behalf of those whom he had not decreed to save. We affirm that Christ freely laid down his life for all of his sheep who are promised to hear his voice and respond to his call. Therefore, not a single drop of Christ’s blood will ever be found to have been wasted in Hell. (Luke 19:10, John 6:35-40, John 10:11-18, John 17:1-11, Romans 5:8-10, Colossians 1:21-22, Galatians 3:13, Hebrews 9:12)" {3}  

Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. (John 5:24).

He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. (1 John 2:2).

Frankly I don't know which is worse, Charismania or Calvinism. Believers would do far better to reject both extremes and study the scriptures for themselves.  (Romans 16:17; 2 Timothy 2:15).

Blessed is the man who makes the LORD his trust, who does not turn to the proud, to those who go astray after a lie! (Psalm 40:4).


1. Strong's Greek: 725. ἁρπαγμός (harpagmos) -- the act of seizing or the thing seized (biblehub.com)
2. Philippians 2:7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness. (biblehub.com)
3. About | Right Response Ministries

Sunday 8 August 2021

HILLSONG CHURCH: STORYVILLE DOCUMENTARY

BBC Synopsis: "This Storyville documentary details the story of celebrity favourite and globally trending megachurch Hillsong. In a relatively short time it has grown explosively, from small family church to international phenomenon. Gaining rare access to the church it follows key church leaders and a number of its congregation, who tell personal stories of salvation and shed light on the current scandals within the church. 
Fashionably dressed in fedoras, leather jackets, tattoos and skinny jeans, their pastors are next-generation religious leaders. Inhabiting the world of Instagram influencers, they capitalise on the power of social media and popular entertainment to spread their message. 
Attracting a congregation of over 150,000 young people a week in 28 countries, Hillsong's services are mostly held in concert arenas, filled with pop music and high-octane, slickly produced performances. The church has attracted celebrities such as Justin Bieber, Kendall Jenner, Selena Gomez, Kevin Durant and Bono, and with six million Instagram followers and over 20 million monthly listeners on their Spotify channels, Hillsong has become one of the fastest-growing churches in the world, generating over $150 million in revenue in the process. 
While looking back the church's past and one dark incident that hangs over it, this documentary also explores the resurgence of spirituality and belief among millennials today. Why do millions of media-savvy young people follow a religion whose values do not always align with their own? What does this glossy version of Christianity have to offer, and at what price does salvation and transformation come?" 
This excellent documentary was publicly broadcast on the BBC but is stuck behind their geoblocks. It deserves a wider audience, especially since the recent announcement of criminal charges against founding Pastor Brian Houston for failing to report to Police the pedophilia of his father, Frank Houston.

Refuting Hillsong’s recent misleading media statement (Part 1). (churchwatchcentral.com)

Saturday 7 August 2021

PRASCH CRASH

Not before time, both Joshua Chavez (Servus Christi) and Amos Farrell (RTN) have cut ties with Jacob Prasch and Moriel Minstries. I thank God for these latest developments, and I pray that this wicked man's stranglehold on certain parts of the the Body of Christ will finally cease to be.  

Why I Can No Longer Endorse Jacob Prasch & Moriel Ministries | Servus Christi

Final RTN and Moriel message with Apology - RTN TV

Moriel's Response:

The Board of Moriel finds itself baffled by a recent list of 8 conjectured charges, none having any real proof against Moriel, a range of figures including our board & John Haller and above all Jacob Prasch by Joshua Chavez massively circulated by email. A previous edict by Joshua Chavez was noted and discussed last March. The content of these allegations are ironically borrowed from statements by Joshua Chavez' own internet enemies and include charges often levelled against Joshua Chavez himself, such as obsessive conflict.
Given his own history of cyber warfare with Justin Peters, John Mac Arthur, JD Hall and many others, it is bewildering why he would attribute behavior to another that many others have openly ascribed to him. Indeed, his own propensity for conflict led Moriel from restricting Social Media postings by Joshua Chavez on Moriel platforms. It is public knowledge that Jacob Prasch came under unbelievably cruel attack on the internet for being supportive of Joshua Chavez in his marital dilemma, with Jacob even being accused of the felony as accessory to human trafficking by Joshua Chavez. Jacob Prasch willingly took the cyber bullets for Joshua Chavez out of personal loyalty because Joshua Chavez had so often been loyal to Jacob Prasch. This has left us confused, but we will respond to these 8 distortions and fabrications for the sake of the dozens of the recipients Joshua Chavez has sought to drag into this fiasco.
1. It is no secret that while opposing Jacob Prasch & Moriel since their promotion of David Nathan whom most deemed heretical, Studio Scotland, despite desperate pleading to cease, has continued to sell videos featuring Jacob Prasch while denouncing him. No one wants any of this and it could all have ended if Stuart & Deborah Menelaws of Studio Scotland simply stopped selling them. We cannot see this grievance as obsessive. When Joshua Chavez provided Moriel with the identity of tbc. kawaii, a relentless harasser from the Asian gay fetishist 'Kawaii' (Cutie) movement, Moriel did not pursue exposure of this individuals hidden identity on Facebook as Joshua Chavez suggested, but only sent copies to anyone contacting us. One posted a redaction of it and contacted Moriel (their identity remains unknown to Jacob Prasch). Moriel only requested a disclaimer that Moriel does not hate homosexuals be added. This has proved wise as two weeks ago tbc.Kawaii posted an attack on Jacob Prasch as a 'homophobe' and labelling Moriel as a cult for being homophobic. Not until tbc.Kawaii began recent attacks on Jacob's wife & family did he even refer to tbc.Kawaii in the public domain.
2. At no time did Moriel post or commission any spoof web sites to be posted by anyone or against anyone. We did not even know who was doing some of these things (Studio Scotland has other adversaries). While he did it in support of Jacob Prasch, it was in fact
Joshua Chavez himself who posted photos of the Menlaws with 666 and wads of money. We did not object, but Joshua Chavez did it. By his own admission, Joshua Chavez misrepresented himself on the internet in his attacks as a woman named 'Lydia', to which his critics have taken repeated offence. Why Joshua Chavez accosts us for things we did not do, but himself admits he did is absurd.
3. Joshua Chavez comparing a certain Christian woman named Linda M., who is not a Moriel team member (but is known to us) to the demonized witch in Acts Chapter 16 is a serious insult to her and to her husband, and an outrage. She is not that or anything like it.
4. We have never seen anything in regard to Studio Scotland that can be called a death threat, and even if there had been, it was nothing to do with us. The police have never contacted us nor anyone we know about a crime that never even transpired.
5. When Jacob Prasch & Moriel reacted to David Nathan's teaching such as "God The Father is Not The Creator", and 'animal blood will atone for sin in the Millennium', David Nathan's supporters began to defend his heretical teaching on the basis of him being fully Jewish while Jacob Prasch is not. This led to an ugly tirade of accusations of Jacob having a forged Passport ID, false DNA reports, and falsified Israeli ID. His family was also harassed. The Moriel board instructed Jacob not to display any private documentation in the public domain. Joshua Chavez takes issue with Jacob describing his father's family of 'Jewish ancestry', while he as a half Mexican would not describe himself as being of Mexican descent. "Jewish' of course is both a religion and an ethnicity. Jacob's testimony has been published for years. While his wife and children are Israeli Jewish Christians, he is not. Apart from being sent with his siblings to a Jewish community centre Jacob has no cultural or religious Jewish background whatsoever. Jacob’s mother was Roman Catholic and forced him to attend Catholic school against his own wishes. The public data however through Ancestry.com and Jewish Buriels.org are already in the public domain. The accusation by Joshua Chavez' own enemy Chris Rosebrough is that although the family name was the common Jewish name 'Brasch' changed to 'Prasch', and that Jacob Prasch is not from the Prasch line of former Jewish line of the Brasch family. The online Jewish burial records indicate otherwise (which is likely why the Jewish Agency gave Jacob a Jewish ID immigration certificate in Israel (of which a renewal was shown online). While most Jewish birth & death records were destroyed in the purge of German Jewish records by the Nazis, grave markers remained even in most desecrated Jewish cemeteries. Claims by Joshua Chavez that these burial records were provided by a lady named Ursula are mistaken, these records are available on the internet.
JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry - Germany
Ursula and Linda MacIntyre did however do Jewish research at ancestry.com into Jacob Prasch's family (documented Jews named: Wrecklin, Brasch, and Goldbeck), but Jacob had almost no prior knowledge of them and requested they not be web posted. Jacob Prasch states: "I and my father were named for 'Jakob Prasch' who died 14 years before my father was born ". The name was Anglicized to James, but switched back to Jacob when I immigrated to Israel. This proved consistent with the public records available on ancestry.com
David Nathan's wife and children are not Jewish (by rabbinic law). That does not however make his family either less Christian or less Jewish. Ethnicity does not determine whose doctrine was right and whose was wrong.
6. Jacob Prasch's personal business affairs are none of Joshua Chavez' business. Except that Moriel has benefited from the commercial licensing of domain names, Jacob's private business has nothing to do with Moriel. The insinuation however, that Jacob Prasch financed the private education his children with funds taken from Moriel is as ridiculous as it is defamatory. The audited accounts from those years at that time, 18 to 25 years ago, indicates that Moriel did not have that kind of money then; it often struggled to remain solvent in earlier years. We all know this.
7. Implied suggestions of financial impropriety by Moriel is baseless and sleazy gossip mongering. All of Moriel's accounts are audited and in complete compliance with American & British law. It was discovered in a posthumous audit that a now deceased Moriel administrator in Australia did engage in embezzlement several years ago. This has long since been corrected and it was the action of a single individual and nothing systematic within the ministry. Jacob Prasch donates all royalties for the sale of his books and recoded materials to the ministry.
By law, all 'Specified Donations' (USA), and 'Designated Funds'(UK) must be paid to, or used exclusively for the purpose for which they were contributed. This includes mission funds (for India, Israel, Africa, Thailand, etc.,), and love offerings or honorariums to individuals (including Jacob Prasch). These normally must go through the books and bank accounts of the ministry. Re-donated income of any team members are their personal affair in terms of amounts. All revenue of book and media sales are used for the ministries work.
When Joshua Chavez was a part time member of the Moriel Team as a videographer and in video production, he was paid $750 per month (he did a competent job). Joshua never objected to receiving payment for his work while at the same time saying Christian pastors and leaders should not be paid, which is not scriptural. His belief concerning paid pastors and leaders is based on a misinterpretation of 1 Corinthians 14 which he states there are no pastors or elders again which is not scriptural.
His other views that there are no sermons in scripture, only 'teaching', is also doctrinal error (dideskein is teaching, and homila is a sermon).
8. The Castigation of the Moriel Board for not doing more to restrict Jacob Prasch and allow 'sin' begs two questions: What sin? Joshua Chavez insinuates, but where is the sin he only conjectures which he expects to be accepted as fact.
* Where is Joshua Chavez' board? Is there a Servus Christi board?
It is interesting that Joshua shares the fact that the Board did not like him but Jacob needed to negotiate for him. Why didn't we "like" him and why and how did Jacob negotiate for him? Well, simply, Joshua has bad doctrine on his videos, saying things like the Bible doesn't say there are sermons only teaching. Also, Joshua teachers there are not pastors and elders in the Bible are just two examples. Well, David Lister approached him privately about his wrong doctrine and he would not correct it. Marco at a meeting with Joshua, David Lister, Jacob and Blair, there, Marco tried to explain his wrong doctrine even using the Greek. Joshua did not accept his correction. Then Scott Noble emailed Joshua and explained this wrong doctrine in a point by point studied email, well, Joshua gave a tepid response not really addressing his wrong doctrine nor did he correct it. This video The False Church System has caused division in Moriel Canada, divided churches there, and also hurt people in Marco's churches, who left, and even divided Scott Nobles father-in- law from the fold, who Scott labored for years and years to lead out of Buddhism. Hopefully you understand why we didn't like him. Blair reached out to Joshua in great kindness but his advice was rejected too. Hopefully our supporters will now understand why the Moriel Board didn't like Joshua. So, while we didn't like Joshua for his bad doctrine Jacob would negotiate with his board that he feels Joshua is like a younger brother, or a friend in need of help (Galatians 6) and on that basis of that the board could let Jacob try and help Joshua but now Jacob knows Joshua will not accept correction of his doctrine. Jacob allowed personal loyalty to Joshua to bring him into repeated opposition to our board. This is an undeniable fact.
As to the Servus Cristi Board, there is none. Joshua Chavez has not normally even had a church, and has been accountable to no one. Yet he sets himself up as a self- appointed investigative authority even making bogus assertions about other people's private business affairs that are none of his business, and a super critic of churches when he usually has none himself. His life and ministry are fundamentally out of God's order (Hebrews 10:25).
Had he had a board and a church like those with whom he finds fault, he might not have dug himself into the public grave disqualifying himself from ministry that he finds himself in today. Joshua solemnly promised he would not marry the woman he did a few days after her arrival in the USA, but immediately broke his word with a vow (making her his wife in the Eyes of God) but that was it. After breaking his promise, it was then foolish of him to consummate the relationship without even being legally married to her. Claiming abuse, she left him. We do not wish to disclose the contents of the emails we have from her and other emails, because they are none of anyone's business and to do so would be pure vengeance against him. However, by his wrong doctrine of the church (ecclesiology), his lack of accountability, and by breaking his word he has given his enemies the ammunition they needed. The claims of his wife and not being in control of his own family/ marriage mean he is not scripturally qualified for the ministry (1Timothy 3: 2-4), at least until he gets his marriage reconciled. The charges brought by his hurting wife and his enemies mean he does not have a good reputation with those outside of the church, but worse he has a broken marriage. God says that he has absolutely no right whatsoever to be in the ministry. In appreciation for the friendship Jacob Prasch had with Joshua Chavez, Jacob stood with him loyally, paying a public price for doing so and placing himself again in opposition to his own board. Jacob tried desperately to be an older brother to Joshua and tried to help him. Jacob has sadly failed. The Word of God says that Joshua Chavez cannot be in ministry.
Sincerely,
The Moriel Board


Prasch's original statement concerning Chavez's "marriage" ~

"Joshua Chavez of course is not married to anyone and never has been. He was arranging a civil marriage through an immigration attorney, but the woman in question bailed out and returned to South Africa. No marriage license, no wedding certificate or contract, no bans of marriage - absolutely nothing."

Friday 30 July 2021

JOE SCHIMMEL'S TRIBULATION DISTORTIONS

What, When and How Long is the Day of the Lord?- Part 1
(23) Wednesday Night BIble Study - YouTube

I have to point out with a heavy heart that Joe Schimmel's latest message about the post-trib rapture was one of the most distorted messages I have ever heard. Why he feels that he has to define the entire 70th week of Daniel as "the tribulation" is beyond me, unless it is to appease the pre-trib camp. The bible should define our terms, not the erroneous views of those who distort the scriptures.

Bible teachers need to be very clear.. the first half of the 70th week is not the tribulation. It is critical that God's Word is not misrepresented. (Proverbs 30:6; Revelation 22:18).
 
Not one single verse of scripture backs up the seven year tribulation fallacy.

The scriptures tell us repeatedly, in no uncertain terms, that the great tribulation will last for 3.5 years:


Daniel 7:25 He (the Antichrist) shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. (3.5 years).
Revelation 11:2 ..but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months.
Revelation 13:5 And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months.
Revelation 12:5-6 ..and the woman (Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.
This period coincides with what is also known as "Jacob's Trouble". (Daniel 12:1, Jeremiah 30:7).
Matthew 24:15-21 ..when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.” The abomination of desolation will occur halfway through the final seven year period, often referred to as Daniel’s 70th week. {1}

Although he didn't name him, for the second time, Joe Schimmel referred to early "church father" Victorinus as his only source in order to substantiate his recapitulation view regarding the sixth seal, the seventh trumpet and the seventh bowl. If anyone will take the time to read Victorinus they will discover that his theology is deeply flawed. Joe Schimmel really should know better! 

A Sample of Victorinus' Flawed (allegorical) Theology:

And the sun became black as sackcloth of hair. The sun becomes as sackcloth; that is, the brightness of doctrine will be obscured by unbelievers.

And the entire moon became as bloodBy the moon of blood is set forth the Church of the saints as pouring out her blood for Christ. 

And the stars fell to the earth. The falling of the stars are the faithful who are troubled for Christ's sake.

Even as a fig-tree casts her untimely figs. The fig-tree, when shaken, loses its untimely figs — when men are separated from the Church by persecution.

And the heaven withdrew as a scroll that is rolled up. For the heaven to be rolled away, that is, that the Church shall be taken away. {2}

Joe Schimmel is doing no-one any favours with his continued, and I might say, willful distortion of the scriptures. He would do better not to teach on this subject at all rather than give such a warped message based on eisegesis. The various problems associated with the post-trib rapture have been pointed out to Joe Schimmel and his team on a number of occasions. They have yet to address these issues. Joe Schimmel would do far better to go back to the scriptures and take the time to reconsider his position. If I remember correctly, his recapitulation view is based on a (supposed) revelation he received from the Lord in his early days as a Christian. He was obviously genuinely convinced by this revelation, but I say, does it correspond with the scriptures? (1 John 4:1).

1. WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: THE SEVEN YEAR TRIBULATION FALLACY (bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com)
2. WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: JOE SCHIMMEL BLESSED HOPE CHAPEL: VICTORINUS IS UNRELIABLE (bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com)

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Monday 19 July 2021

BILL SALUS: IS PSALM 83 PROPHETIC?

Bill Salus is a well known an author and speaker on the subject of end time bible prophecy. In particular he is the originator of the proposed eschatological fulfilment of Psalm 83.

Psalm 83 is the last of twelve psalms attributed to Asaph the son of Berachiah. (Psalms 50, 73–83). Asaph was a seer and a significant figure in the Old Testament. He was one of three Levites King David chose to minister before the dwelling place of the tabernacle of the congregation with singing and public worship. (1 Chronicles 6:31-32). This took place at the tent that David had erected on Mount Zion to house the ark of the covenant where it rested until Solomon built the temple in Jerusalem. Asaph's all important pedigree is recorded in 1 Chronicles 6:39-48.

Based on Psalm 83, Salus forecasts an imminent Arab-Israeli conflict involving the modern day equivalent of the ten nations in verses 6-8. Salus argues that since none of Israel's immediate neighbours are mentioned in Ezekiel 38:1-6, a prior conflict must occur which will eliminate their near neighbours as a precursor to the Ezekiel 38-39 events. He speculates that the so called "prophesied war" of the Arab nations against Israel will occur prior to the 70th week of Daniel. According to Salus, Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) will completely annihilate their ancient enemies and will annex their lands. Salus continues to speculate that following the annihilation of their enemies, Israel's mindset will be one of ease and confidence, leaving them ripe for the Ezekiel 38 Gog/Magog attack:

I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates.. (Ezekiel 38:11 cf. Zechariah 2:4-5).

* I am not dogmatic, but I tend to think that the Gog/Magog war will occur at the end of the millennium. The description of the attack by Gog and Magog in Revelation 20:9 corresponds to Ezekiel 38:11.

The ten nation confederacy of Psalm 83 comprised:   ..the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites, Moab the Hagrites, Gebal, Ammon, Amalek, Philistia, Tyre and Assyria. (Psalm 83:6-8)

According to Salus: “The modern equivalents of the Psalm 83 confederates are: tents of Edom (Palestinian Refugees and Southern Jordanians), Ishmaelites (Saudi Arabians), Moab (Palestinian Refugees and Central Jordanians), Hagrite^ (Egyptians), Gebal (Northern Lebanese), Ammon (Palestinian Refugees and Northern Jordanians), Amalek (Arabs South of Israel), Philistia (Palestinian Refugees and Hamas of the Gaza Strip), inhabitants of Tyre (Hezbollah and Southern Lebanese), Assyria (Syrians and perhaps Northern Iraqi’s), and the children of Lot (Moab and Ammon above). {1} 

Salus erroneously identifies the Hagrites as Egypt due to their progenitor, Hagar, the Egyptian maidservant of Sarah. (Genesis 16:1; 21:9-10). In fact, the Hagrite clans were associated with the Ishmaelites and they inhabited the regions of Jetur, Naphish and Nodab, east of Gilead. (1 Chronicles 5:10). {2} 

Salus identification of the the tents of Edom as Palestinian refugees and Central Jordanians is unconvincing. According to various commentaries, some of these people, particularly the Ishmaelites, were nomadic and dwelt in tents. Albert Barnes: "..the Edomites were a people of fixed boundaries, who in early periods, like most ancient people, doubtless dwelt in tents." {3} 

Further considerations 

The king of the north (the Antichrist) versus the king of the south (Egypt) 

At the time of the end, the king of the south shall attack him, but the king of the north shall rush upon him like a whirlwind, with chariots and horsemen, and with many ships. And he shall come into countries and shall overflow and pass through. He shall come into the glorious land. And tens of thousands shall fall, but these shall be delivered out of his hand: Edom and Moab and the main part of the Ammonites. He shall stretch out his hand against the countries, and the land of Egypt shall not escape. He shall become ruler of the treasures of gold and of silver, and all the precious things of Egypt, and the Libyans and the Cushites shall follow in his train. (Daniel 11:40-43).

Benson: "And shall overflow and pass over — Shall over- spread the land, breaking in and opening himself a passage everywhere by the vast power of his forces." {4} 

Keil and Delitzsch: "The stretching forth of his hand upon the countries is a sign expressive of his seizing them, taking possession of them, for which he falls upon them." {5} 

..but these shall be delivered out of his hand: Edom and Moab and the main part of the Ammonites.
Note:  According to Daniel 11:41, Edom, Moab and the Ammonites are not eliminated by the IDF before the 70th week of Daniel as Salus speculates! 

A few thoughts: At the beginning of the 70th week, the Antichrist will make a seven year "firm covenant with many" involving Israel and her near neighbours. This will allow the Jews to build the third temple and to commence animal sacrifices. (Daniel 9:27, 11:31 cf. Matthew 24:15-16). This long awaited breakthrough suggests that the covenant brokered by the Antichrist will be compelling and will necessitate a cessation of the historic hostility between Israel and her ancient enemies. Daniel 11:40-43 concerns "the time of the end" and does not apply to Antiochus Epiphanes. It appears that the Antichrist will defeat Egypt (the king of the south), and will seize and subjugate various middle eastern countries. (Revelation 6:1). Will it be that Israel will temporarily be in the eye of a satanic storm raging all around them, and that the Antichrist will shield them from the wars and famines inflicted on the world via the four horsemen? If this is correct, then Israel will have good cause to feel confident that the Antichrist is their true friend and ally. The Antichrist will be devious and persuasive beyond that of any human agency. (Daniel 11:40-42, 8:23). The guile of Antiochus Epiphanes foreshadows what will happen with the Antichrist: He shall come in without warning and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. (Daniel 11:21). Taking the above factors into consideration, I think it is reasonable to conclude that the Jews will be persuaded to think themselves secure during the first half of the 70th week. (Ezekiel 38:11). 
*Salus places the seals and other prophecies in a “gap” period prior to the 70th week. However, this view is not consistent with the scriptures:

THE FIRST SEAL - THE WHITE HORSE (THE ANTICHRIST): And I looked, and behold, a white horse! And its rider had a bow, and a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering, and to conquer. (Revelation 6:2).
THE SECOND SEAL - THE RED HORSE (WAR): Its rider was permitted to take peace from the earth, so that people should slay one another, and he was given a great sword. (Revelation 6:4).
THE THIRD SEAL- THE BLACK HORSE (FAMINE): And I looked, and behold, a black horse! And its rider had a pair of scales in his hand. And I heard what seemed to be a voice in the midst of the four living creatures, saying, “A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius, and do not harm the oil and wine!”  (Revelation 6:5-6).
THE FOURTH SEAL - THE PALE HORSE: And its rider’s name was Death, and Hades followed him. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth. (Revelation 6:7-8).

At the mid point of the 70th week, the Antichrist will break his covenant, he will desecrate the temple, and his armies will surround Jerusalem. This will signal the time of Jacob's trouble when the Antichrist's unprecedented persecution against the Jews will begin. These events will be overseen by Satan himself and implemented by the Antichrist. (Revelation 12:13).

Before Bill Salus came up with his theory and published his book Isralestine in 2008, the consensus among bible scholars was that the ten nation confederacy poised to attack Judah in Psalm 83 was the 2 Chronicles 20 incident during the reign of Jehoshaphat (note the reference to Asaph in 2 Chronicles 20:14). The supposed mismatch between the three nation tribes in 2 Chronicles 20 and the ten nation confederacy in Psalm 83 is not strictly accurate since there are overlaps. For instance the Ammonites had close links with Syria and both passages include elements from Turkey and Syria. We should also bear in mind that scriptural accounts of specific events are not necessarily identical. The gospels are a clear example of this. The Moabites and the Ammonites were amongst the bitterest of all the adversaries of the Jews and it is only natural that Asaph would name them as the primary movers. (Kings 24:2; Ezekiel 25:8-11). As such, it would not be surprising if various other tribes not mentioned in 2 Chronicles 20 formed part of their alliance against Judah. 

Lange: " {Psalm 83} agrees best with the alliance formed against Jehoshaphat, at the head of which were the Moabites, Ammonites and Edomites (since Kimchi, especially Venema and most of the recent commentators). Yet it must be confessed that even under this assumption there is much to be supplied and left to pure conjecture. For Josephus (Ant. 10:1, 2), gives a multitude of Arabs instead of the Meunim mentioned by the Chronicler. These may possibly be identical with the Ishmaelites and the Hagarenes here mentioned. The latter pitched their tents from the Persian Gulf as far as the country east of Gilead towards the Euphrates (1 Chronicles 10:10), while the former spread themselves (Genesis 25:18), through the Sinaitic peninsula over the Arabian Desert as far as the countries under the sway of the Assyrians in the remote north-east. Now, since in 2 Chronicles 20:2, we must read מֵאֶדְֹם instead of מֵאֲרָם, as indicating the place of departure of these hordes, Edom appears to have been their place of rendezvous, and is given the first place by the Psalmist for this reason, unless we prefer to assume that the hostile nations were enumerated according to their relative geographical positions (Delitzsch). Further we can find a place for Gebal, which is not to be sought to the east of Jordan (Rosenm., De Wette), but south of the Dead Sea, (Gesenius) among the inhabitants of Mt. Seir mentioned by the Chronicler. We can certainly assume also, that Amalek, which was still existing in his time was included by him among the Edomites in the same way as Josephus (Ant. 2:1, 2), reckons ᾼμαληκῖτις as part of Idumæa. In Amos 1:6, too (comp. Joel 4:4,) the tribes along the Mediterranean coast, the Philistines and Phœnicians, appear as combined against Israel. Nor, if the same event is referred to as the one dwelt upon in the Psalm, does it appear in this instance also why the Chronicler omitted them as well as Assyria in his enumeration of the allies. If we assume, then, the identity of the events, the conjecture is at least worth mentioning, that the Levite and Asaphite Jahaziel named in 2 Chronicles 20:14, was the author of this Psalm. (Dathe, Hengst., Delitzsch)." {6}
According to Jamieson-Fausset-Brown and other commentaries on the eschatological context of Isaiah 25:10, Moab is the representative of all the foes of God's people. 

Pulpit Commentary: "Perhaps, as the Moabites were, on the whole, the bitterest of all the adversaries of the Jews (see 2 Kings 24:2; Ezekiel 25:8-11), they are regarded as the fittest representatives of the human adversaries of God." {7} 

Taking the above into consideration, there is not such a mismatch between Psalm 83 and 2 Chronicles 20 after all.
  
Balaam's Fourth Oracle

A star will come forth from Jacob, and a scepter will arise from Israel. He will crush the skulls of Moab
and strike down all the sons of Sheth. Edom will become a possession, as will Seir, his enemy; but Israel will perform with valor. A ruler will come from Jacob and destroy the survivors of the city. (Numbers 24:17-19).

The above prophecy received its primary fulfilment during King David's reign. (2 Samuel 8:14). However its ultimate fulfilment is clearly linked with the return of Jesus Christ. 

Who is this who comes from Edom, With garments of glowing colors from Bozrah, This One who is majestic in His apparel, Marching in the greatness of His strength? “It is I who speak in righteousness, mighty to save.” (Isaiah 63:1-4).

Since Moab and Edom will be destroyed by Jesus Christ at his second coming, then their prior annihilation in a supposed Psalm 83 war is implausible. 
 
The 2 Chronicles 20 incident records that the planned attack against Judah did not materialize due to God's direct intervention, causing Judah's enemies to destroy one another. (2 Chronicles 20:22-23). This explains the objection by Salus and others that there is no Old Testament fulfilment of this war. Psalm 83 does not actually describes a "war", but only schemes, conspiracies and plots. Psalm 83 is therefore not a "missing eschatalogical prophecy", but rather a past threat against Judah that came to nothing.

Psalm 83 is not presented within a prophetic framework; rather in common with Psalms 79, 80, 82, and 85, Psalm 83 is a "lament” written in the present tense. Asaph is described as a seer in the OT. A seer is the equivalent of a prophet i.e. someone who "sees". We should bear in mind that the OT prophets were spokespersons for God. Their frame of reference was not necessarily eschatological. Asaph's writings do not contain specific eschatological elements as in the case in the books of Daniel, Joel, Habakkuk, Zephaniah etc. There are no specific phrases that identify Psalm 83 as a future event and there is no other verse in the bible that confirms Salus' interpretation. (Matthew 18:16). Prophetic material typically has phrases like "in that day"“in the latter days”“in those days", "at that time" etc. This lack of clarity necessitates that a prophetic interpretation of Psalm 83 relies on conjecture rather than clear exegesis. 

It is important to recognize that OT prophets often referred to current situations and circumstances. This is precisely the case in 2 Chronicles 20:

Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jahaziel son of Zechariah, the son of Benaiah, the son of Jeiel, the son of Mattaniah, a Levite from Asaph’s descendants, as he stood in the midst of the assembly. And he said, “Listen, all you people of Judah and Jerusalem! Listen, King Jehoshaphat! This is what the LORD says: ‘Do not be afraid or discouraged because of this vast army, for the battle does not belong to you, but to God. Tomorrow you are to march down against them. You will see them coming up the Ascent of Ziz, and you will find them at the end of the valley facing the Wilderness of Jeruel. You need not fight this battle. Take up your positions, stand firm, and see the salvation of the LORD on your behalf, O Judah and Jerusalem. Do not be afraid or discouraged. Go out and face them tomorrow, for the LORD is with you.’ ” (2 Chronicles 20:14-17).

Another reason Salus gives for the Psalm 83 war: The intention of Israel's enemies is utter annihilation: “Come, let us wipe them out as a nation; let the name of Israel be remembered no more!” (Psalm 83:4). This intention cannot be isolated to a specific eschatological event since Israel's annihilation has been the general objective of her enemies throughout history. (2 Kings 24:2; 2 Chronicles 20:11; Psalms 138:7; Psalm1; Maccabees 3:35; 5:2).

Who are the people propagating Salus' Psalm 83 theory?

I have observed that those who give Salus house room have accepted his theory on a superficial level and have not been diligent in testing his claims. (1 John 4:1). They are generally those who have no qualms about unleashing various dubious theories onto the Body of Christ ~the pre-trib rapture is a prime example of this! Salus is a regular guest on TBN and Daystar. He has also been associated with Jack Hibbs, Tom Hughes, Jonathan Cahn, Billy Crone, Gary Stearman, Sid Roth etc. These teachers are all in the pre-trib rapture loop and their eschatology is twisted in order to accommodate this grave error. 

Salus informs us that he sought the expertise of Arnold Fruchtenbaum regarding his theory. This should not impress us. Not only is Fruchtenbaum heavily involved with Lausanne which is ecumenical, his theology is flawed on many levels. {8}

Salus' mentor was Chuck Missler. Again we should not be impressed. Missler (also pre-trib) was a plagiarist and a supporter of Sun Myung Moon (Moonies). {9} Missler produced a two part video series on YouTube presenting the Psalm 86 "alternative view" of the Magog Invasion. Undoubtedly Missler was influential in persuading believers to accept Salus' aberrant teaching. {10} 

Salus' Newspaper Exegesis

Salus' teaching regarding the timing of the so called "war" of Psalm 83 is highly speculative and irresponsible. He makes the common error of applying current events and trends from the media to the scriptures. Unfortunately Salus is fond of quoting eschatological verses out of context in order to further his cause. In doing so he misleads believers into misinterpreting the events of the 70th week and preceding. As others have pointed out before me, Moab and Edom will be destroyed by Jesus Christ at his second coming, not by the IDF. This single fact alone demolishes Salus thesis. Salus' speculations produce a lot of hype, and no doubt they generate interest and a lucrative market for his products, but they lack solid exegesis. (1 John 4:1). 


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