THE PAUL CAIN TAPES AND THE HORRENDOUS HISTORY OF CHARISMANIA

This mindblowing exposé from Leaving the Message lays bare the long‑standing patterns of corruption within the charismatic movement. Anyone still clinging to the idea that the NAR is a legitimate movement will find that position insupportable on the evidence presented. 

John and Charles examine a newly surfaced transcript involving Paul Cain and Chuck Smith that exposes how leadership power functioned behind the scenes of the charismatic movement. The discussion traces how the same figures moved from Foursquare to Calvary Chapel, Vineyard, and ultimately the New Apostolic Reformation, carrying the same control structures with them. 

The conversation explores how recordings, private confessions, and reputation management became tools for enforcing silence, shaping narratives, and protecting movements at critical moments. By following the historical trail from the 1950s healing revival through the 1980s and beyond, the episode reveals how spiritual authority often operated less through doctrine and more through leverage.