THE REASON FILES: REGARDING SERVUS CHRIST, PART THREE

The following is an excerpt from The Reason Files:

https://reasonfiles.weebly.com/blog/regarding-servus-christi-part-three

"In the third and final part of this article series concerning Mr. Joshua Chavez (aka: “Servus Christi”), we will take a look at his hypocritical “Do As I Say, Not As I Do” methodology for determining who is an apostate.

Please see the latest on this three part series: Servus Christi Updated, where I respond to a lengthy defense of Servus Christi, written at his behest by one of his friends.

Concerns, Part Three
D. Hypocrisy
In addition to presenting Mr. Chavez with all of the above evidence of his sin, I also attempted to demonstrate to him the hypocrisy of his actions by applying the standards and logic he applies to the numerous Christian brothers mentioned above, to himself.
As noted in the introduction, Mr. Chavez claims he is exposing apostasy in the Church. However, as also shown, he has not done this. Not once. In fact, his exposés are nothing more than strawman arguments and ad hominem red herring fallacies. He condemns person A because they appear at a conference or in a photo with person B, who in turn has appeared at a conference or in a photo with person C who may or may not be a false teacher, or is somehow affiliated with a false teacher. This is guilt by association twice removed. As faulty a methodology as this is, it is the methodology Mr. Chavez has chosen to employ; and, in doing so he has exposed his own hypocrisy.
I have dubbed the red-herring methodology used by Mr. Chavez the “Servus Christi Rule of Partnerships and Affiliations.” As you will see, when Mr. Chavez and his own affiliations and partnerships are examined by using his own methodology, his hypocrisy becomes glaringly evident.
On his website, Beginning of Sorrows, Mr. Chavez recommends both Jacob Prasch and Moriel Ministries, as well as Beresford Job.

Now, as it just so happens, Beresford Job, on his Truth According to Scripture website, promotes John Piper, Paul Washer, and John MacArthur. By employing the “Servus Christi Rule of Partnerships and Affiliations,” we see Mr. Chavez, is therefore partnered with John Piper, Paul Washer, and John MacArthur via Beresford Job. Of course, Mr. Chavez has soundly (and falsely) condemned these men as apostates, frauds, false teachers, deceivers, hypocrites, and more; so his apparent partnership with them is not only hypocritical, but somewhat schizophrenic as well.

Far more interesting (and telling) is Mr. Chavez's personal, intimate, and open partnership with James Jacob Prasch and Moriel Ministries. Since Mr. Chavez recommends Mr. Prasch on his website, we can again employ the “Servus Christi Rule of Partnerships and Affiliations” to ascertain his actual involvement with Jacob Prasch. I have noted that throughout his various internet venues (blog, YouTube, Twitter, Facebook) Mr. Chavez speaks glowingly of his close personal friend Jacob Prasch. To quote Mr. Chavez, “I highly recommend following/supporting the ministry of Moriel TV and James Jacob Prasch.” Mr. Chavez calls him, “Balanced and indespensible,” “without compromise,” “Excellent teaching,” and “I don't recommend people lightly.” To further remind you of the importance of your intimate partnership with Jacob Prasch, I offer another verbatim quote from Mr. Chavez: “There is no guilt by 'association' but by APPROVAL. WATCH!” and his approval and recommendation of James Jacob Prasch defines his approval, recommendation and partnership with those Mr. Prasch is partnered with.
To begin with, let's look at Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel. Jacob Prasch calls Chuck Smith his “friend and brother,” “solidly supporting” Chuck Smith's positions, defending him against any and all critics. It should also be noted that Mr. Chavez also speaks glowingly of Chuck Smith as well. On his blog he writes of Chuck Smith, “Smith was known for being a verse by verse bible teacher.” Based on his approval of Chuck Smith, Mr. Chavez has clearly aligned himself with Chuck Smith as well; and that brings us back to the “Servus Christi Rule of Partnerships and Affiliations,”
Chuck Smith held Rick Warren in high regard, calling Warren a “brother in Christ,” and stating that he had no problem sharing a stage with him. This is the same Rick Warren who has affiliated himself with both Islam and the Vatican. That places Mr. Chavez only one degree of separation away from Rick Warren. The fact that Mr. Chavez judges and condemns others for doing the same thing that he himself has done exposes Mr. Chavez as a hypocrite.
In his last email to me, Mr. Chavez tried to explain away Chuck Smith's affiliation with Rick Warren by saying, “As for Chuck Smith, he entertained Rick Warren ONCE in 2009 at 82 years of age a few years before his death at a time when Rick Warren was not well known nor established in his ecumenism.” And yet, this isn't true. In fact, it is a bald-faced lie. Rick Warren was quite well known when he shared a stage with Chuck Smith at the Calvary Chapel 20 year anniversary “Harvest Crusade” on August 16, 2009. Warren had published his best selling book, The Purpose Driven Church, in 1995. He followed this up with another best seller, The Purpose Driven Life, in 2002. To say Chuck Smith was unaware of Rick Warren would also be untrue, as Smith denounced Rick Warren in 2006. A statement released by Smith's church stated, “The teachings and positions of Rick Warren have come into conflict with us at Calvary Chapel. Pastor Chuck has directed us to discontinue this product [Purpose Driven Life] effective immediately.”
Furthermore, on April 17, 2005 Rick Warren launched his ecumenical “Global P.E.A.C.E. Plan” before a crowd of 30,000 people in Angel's stadium in Anaheim, California. On January 20, 2009 Rick Warren appeared at President Barack Obama's inauguration where he publicly prayed to the Islamic “Isa;” and, on July 4, 2009 Warren appeared at the 2009 ISNA Conference addressing upward of 40,000 Muslims. By the time Chuck Smith shared a stage with Rick Warren on August 16, 2009, Rick Warren and his ecumenism were both well known and well established. And yet, none of this served to dissuade Chuck Smith, a man whom both Mr. Chavez and his close friend Jacob Prasch held in high regard (and whom Prasch was intimate friends with), from reversing his condemnation of Rick Warren, and embracing Warren as a Christian brother and a friend.."

Further parts can be seen on  https://reasonfiles.weebly.com/blog

SERVUS CHRISTI MORIEL TV: THOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS!!!

Servus Christi is one of those unfortunate people who takes great glee in causing trouble and distorting information in order to hurt others. One of his latest efforts:

"John MacArthur has decided to unite with Pastor Rick Warren and many other heretical deceivers at an upcoming conference. John MacArthur's compromises are many and now it is becoming apparent to everyone. Apostasy is upon us and waxing worse daily."
https://youtu.be/Unl47deUKm8

John MacArthur IS NOT sharing a platform or partnering with Rick Warren. However, Jacob Prasch DEFINITELY IS sharing a platform with ecumenist David Noakes at Moriel's Scottish Conference in November. {1}

I loathe Calvinism and I am no fan of John MacArthur. However, to make slanderous accusations against anyone is to dishonour the name of Jesus Christ.

I originally thought that Servus Christi aka Joshua Chavez was delusional in his support for Jacob Prasch/Moriel whom he now works for as an administrator. I have changed my mind. Chavez is just the right person to carry out Moriel's dirty work. Chavez's speculative "guilt by association", is nothing more than mischief making. The same is true of Moriel TV's depiction of David Nathan whom Chavez compares with Benny Hinn complete with photoshopped image. Once again, I do not like David Nathan's teaching, but these tactics are deliberately destructive. If we are going to accuse anyone, we need at least two or three witnesses, not photoshopped pictures and distorted information. These things do not glorify God! (Colossians 3:17).

Servus Christi means Servant of Christ. However in this particular instance nothing could be further from the truth. 

For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person. (Matthew 15:19-20).

Phil Johnson quoted on Wretched Radio 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPmRfqLRlFc&feature=youtu.be

{1} https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2018/09/jacob-prasch-david-noakes-moriel.html

WHAT PRETRIBS FEAST ON! BY DAVE MACPHERSON

     September of 2018 has come and gone.

     But it has increased my faith in pretrib rapture date-setters - faith that they will lose no time in date-revising what they have predicted in recent weeks, all of which have fizzled in front of their faces, followed by nary a word from any of them admitting they have been wrong!

     (If you'd like to see what rapture date-setters feast on, Google "Jewish Feasts Symbolize Christ's Return.")

     Since much of their recent guesswork has been focused on Leviticus 23's Jewish feasts, let's look at the history of such interpretation.

     We now know that although many have earnestly expected and longed for the Lord 's return since Christ left the earth, only since 1830 is there documentation of what is known as the "any-moment pretribulation rapture" which began with Margaret Macdonald of Scotland, was soon adopted by Rev. Edward Irving of London and his followers, then later on by John Darby and his Plymouth Brethren.

     (Darby idolizers like R. A Huebner, Thomas Ice, and Paul Wilkinson have either ignored or deliberately twisted the innovative Irvingites, the very first ones to publicly air the new pretrib rapture view after visiting Margaret, the pretrib originator, in her Port Glasgow home in mid-1830. Doubters are invited to Google "X-Raying Margaret," "Margaret Macdonald's Rapture Chart," and "Margaret Macdonald's Main Point.")

     Even before 1830 Irving and his followers had been seriously engaged in trying to decipher the order of end-time events - and much of this was based on the same Jewish feasts we've heard so much about in recent days via videos and articles on the internet.

     Following is a portion of the incredible Irvingite development (which was years ahead of Darby's development) which is extensively covered in my book "The Rapture Plot."

     In March,1829 in Irving's journal "The Morning Watch" (hereafter: TMW), John Tudor, the editor, introduced what he called the "times and seasons" theme. He wrote that "there is scarcely a prophecy in which some reference to agriculture does not occur...." Connected with this "are the great festivals of the Jewish year....Christ's death, resurrection, and ascension, are likened to...Passover, First-fruits, and Day of Atonement. The only remaining solemnity in the Jewish year is the Feast of Tabernacles...when 'he shall appear the second time' (Heb. ix. 28)...."

     A few months later in Sep. 1829 Tudor referred to several Revelation chapters and wrote that "we only waited for some general principle...which, I verily believe, we have now received, in the system of Times and Seasons....I take to myself no other merit than that of endeavouring to apply this important discovery....A little further examination shews that a certain classification is observed:--that the seasons of the year, namely, first-fruits, harvest, and vintage are kept together in one series, as xiv.; that the allusions to the tabernacle or temple are kept distinct from the seasons, as xi. xii. xiii; and that it is in this tabernacle series only that dates are given....During this time series of 1260 days, the church is represented as in the wilderness...."

     In Dec. of 1829 Tudor emphasized that the countless multitude of Rev. 7:9 is "gathered" at the "Feast of Tabernacles" ("15th Tisri") while the "sealed ones are gathered when Christ comes from without the veil (Heb. ix. 28)" at the prior "Day of Atonement" ("10th Tisri").

     Considering all of the above, it's easy to see why many in Margaret's day were "harvest"-minded. As early as 1826 many had been praying for the "latter rain" (Zech. 10:1) - the end-time outpouring of the Spirit (Acts 2:17) that would produce the final "harvest." In Margaret's first "revelation," which preceded her famous (pretrib) one, she mentioned "a great ingathering" in the future - a possible reference to the feast of in-gathering (Feast of Tabernacles).

     Her pretrib "revelation" didn't single out any Jewish feast. But she expressed the "first fruits" idea without using the term. She said that "only those that are alive in him" - identified as "those...filled with the Spirit" - "will be caught up to meet him in the air."

     Unlike Darby who saw a distinction between the "heavenly" church and "earthly" Jews, she saw (in the partial rapture form of her pretrib view) a distinction between "heavenly" Christians and "earthly" Christians; the "worthy" part of the church would be "firstfruited" before the rest of the church would be left behind and merely "harvested."

     I have shown in my books and articles that Irving and his followers taught all of the chief aspects of dispensationalism long before Darby did. In 1832 Darby was still a historicist and not yet a futurist; in an 1832 paper which reviewed some writings by futurist William Burgh, Darby was concerned "that Mr. Burgh's views divert the attention of Christians from the present antichristian principles...to some supposed or future actings of a personal Antichrist...."

     In 1834 we find Darby (and the Jews) waiting for the SAME day: the day Christ comes forth, the day when Christ "will not tarry" (Heb. 10:37)!

     In "The Christian Witness" (Apr., 1837) Darby's article saw the Christian church "going in with Him to the marriage, to wit, with Jerusalem and the Jews"!

     Not until 1839 in his "Notes on the Revelation" can we find Darby expressing the pretrib view; his pretrib basis then (and for many more years) rested on the symbol of the "man child" that is "caught up" in Rev. 12:5 - but he was only plagiarizing Irving who had used the same symbol for the same purpose in his journal "The Morning Watch" (Edward Irving, "Interpretation of the Old-Testament Prophecies quoted in the New," June, 1831, p. 301)!

     Concerning the Jewish feasts, Darby is almost totally silent on them. In the "Letters of J.N.D." which includes in several volumes his letters from 1832 to 1882 (a total of 1557 pages) there is only one listing in his Scripture Index to Leviticus 23 which leads to a brief paragraph on pp. 399-400 on "firstfruits" that he applied only to "Jews on earth" in the Old Testament as symbolical of "Christ risen" and "perfect to be offered to God."

     In it Darby said nothing about a rapture or the second coming and this brief reference to Lev. 23 is dated 1868 - several decades AFTER the incredible, informative, and innovative Irvingites who said they had been inspired initially by a certain young Scottish lassie!

     Allow me to wrap up by quoting, as a summary, a bit of my "Rapture Plot" book"

     "But I've saved, for this moment, an even more exciting suggestion someone made while these Irvingites were having a "field day" with the harvest/feasts of Leviticus 23; in June of 1831 the unknown writer based the prior rapture on the feast of "First-fruits"! He said the first resurrection covered the firstfruits and a slightly later harvest.

     "So within a few years the Irvingites shifted their rapture from feast No. 6...to feast No. 5 to feast No. 4 and even to feast No. 3! But how could the "firstfruits" (No. 3) be caught up before they were "waved" (No. 4) and before the trumpet sounds (No. 5, I Thess. 4:16)?"

     Well, present day dispensationalists have had the same disagreement.

     C. I. Scofield (1917) based his pretrib rapture on the feast of the firstfruits, No. 3.

     Although John Walvoord sees a sharp distinction between the church and Old Testament saints, and says that there is nothing in the Old Testament suggestive of a pretrib rapture, his 1966 book based a pretrib aspect of the first resurrection on feast No. 3.

     Hal Lindsey's 1983 book has a pretrib rapture chart based on the same feasts. Even though he doesn't reveal which feast is the significant one, his pretrib rapture lies between feast No. 3 and feast No. 7.

     Another pretrib rapture date-setter, Edgar Whisenant, said in 1988 that the rapture would happen in 1988. His rapture was based on feast No. 5.

     Whether or not Christ returns on some Jewish feast day or holy day isn't important to me. What really matters to me is that pretrib was never a part of Christian theology or any organized church before 1830.

     Maybe Christians should feast more on clear passages of scripture and less on unclear passages while wearing pretrib dispensational spectacles.

     That is, if they don't wish to make spectacles of themselves!

     POSTSCRIPT: I have more evidence that pretrib is losing its grip. Readers of this blog will recall my article last Jan. titled "Moody Leaders Suddenly 'Raptured.' " Well, later on (July 5th) leading pretrib teacher Dr. Erwin Lutzer, while preaching at the famous Moody Church in Chicago, discussed the differences between pretrib and posttrib. He then gave this (post-July Fourth) "bombshell":

     "Here at the Moody Church we have decided not to draw a line in the sand about these two views. We have pretribulationists among us...but also there are posttribulationists and many of them love the Lord and many of them are very fine scholars, and so you can be a pretrib or you can be a posttrib here at the Moody Church." (You can add your own exclamation points here.)

DAVID NOAKES BREXIT "PROPHECY" WILL COME TO NOTHING!

Those Christians who accept a prophecy, or indeed any teaching, from an ecumenical source are extremely naïve.

David Noakes' first person Brexit prophecy 2016:

Word of Prophecy Received by David Noakes
In the aftermath of the Brexit vote 11.09.16

"You in Britain are like the good figs who were taken into exile before judgment fell (Jeremiah 24).. I will bring multitudes into a valley of decision and many will turn to Me, for despite the apostasy which has gripped the nation, I have not failed to love the nation of Britain.." Read the full prophecy at: http://www.thetruthofjudgmentday.com/2016/10/david-noakes-post-brexit-prophetic-word-britain/

In my view, David Noakes' claim to hold the office of a prophet is completely bogus. Noakes ministers through the Issachar Ministries Trust. Issachar Ministries was formerly based at Moggerhanger Park for twenty years until 2015 when they moved to Bedfordshire. Clifford and Monica Hill are the directors of Issachar Ministries, the so called "action arm" of the charity C and M Ministries, formerly Prophetic Word Ministries (PWM). {1}

Clifford Hill also founded the so called "Christian magazine", Prophecy Today in 1985 and is currently Editor in Chief. Both Issachar Ministries and Prophecy Today are ecumenical organisations promoting false hopes among believers for deliverance from the EU. Clifford Hill stated in 2016: "..Brexit is the first step of a merciful deliverance from an ungodly institution." In common with Noakes, Hill claims to be "..one of the most respected, influential prophetic voices in the UK." {2} All of this rhetoric is pure vanity!

Both Hill and Noakes are involved with the ecumenical pro-Israel monastic order, the Sisterhood of Mary.

David Noakes with the Sisterhood of Mary in 2016

 http://sistersofmary.org.uk/ministry/

https://www.kanaan.org/

Clifford Hill - Calling Herts - Intercessors Meeting with the Sisterhood of Mary.

http://sistersofmary.org.uk/ministry/

Clifford and Monica Hill with former Archbishop and Druid Rowan Williams

Noakes has announced that we in Britain are "like the good figs". (Jeremiah 24:1-10). In other words, Britain is somehow set apart by God for favourable treatment. Britain, in common with the rest of Europe, has turned its back on God, and for the most part is godless and anti-Christian. The counterfeit ecumenical movement is a symptom of the apostasy that has overtaken the whole nation. (Matthew 24:4-5). Do not be fooled, there is no reason why God should exempt Britain from the relentless evil that is coming upon the whole world, culminating in the man of sin, the Antichrist! (Revelation 3:10).

I am not under the delusion that I am a prophet. However, according to the scriptures, a reconfiguration of world powers will take place in line with the "ten kings" prophecy of Revelation 17:12. Britain will not stand alone in the last days. The whole world, including Britain, will follow the biblical agenda for globalization and the one world government leading up to the return of Jesus Christ. (Revelation 13:3). This agenda is now well underway. Noakes and Hill directly contradict the scriptures with their false hopes of a major revival. (2 Timothy 3:1-5). The ancient prophecy of Daniel speaks about the fifth and final world empire being "iron mixed with clay". Many scholars believe this to be the "Revived Roman Empire". (Daniel 2:41-43 cf. Revelation 13:1). God's judgement upon the world, including Britain, is inevitable. Thus says the LORD of hosts: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you, filling you with vain hopes. They speak visions of their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD. They say continually to those who despise the word of the Lord, ‘It shall be well with you’; and to everyone who stubbornly follows his own heart, they say, ‘No disaster shall come upon you.’” (Jeremiah 23:16-17).

The scriptural way to determine whether a prophet is true or false:

As for the prophet who prophesies peace, when the word of that prophet comes to pass, then it will be known that the LORD has truly sent the prophet.” (Jeremiah 28:9).

But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22).

* Clifford Hill's false prophecy - 28th March 2008: London Night of Prayer Excel Centre East London: Behold I will do a new thing. (Isaiah 43:19). Hill: "Within four years God will do this .. it is as soon as that. ..there will be a move of God by the time the Olympics come to London. We will begin to see a real move of the Holy Spirit around that time, and what a witness to the world that will be." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEZF60UvZ6E

* Clifford Hill - 4th October 2008: "Judgement day has come upon the economy.."
In this video Hill recounts a prophecy he gave at the Pavilion Bath in 1984: "Repentance and turning within three years.. I give you three years to get your house in order or judgement will fall upon this nation.." https://vimeopro.com/highwaysolutions/issachar-ministries-uk-and-prophecy-today/video/83639452

* Clifford Hill - February 2015: The Spiritual State of the Nation - Churches Together in England
Churches Together is ecumenical.

Will God allow Noakes and Hill to continue to prophesy "visions of their own minds", as so many other false prophets do after their prophecies fail?

Beware the remnant!

Be wary of Jacob Prasch and Moriel Ministries! Noakes will be a speaker Moriel's Scottish Conference at Gartmore House from Friday-Sunday, 2-4th of November 2018. {3} Noakes is endorsed by Jacob Prasch as a valid prophetic voice! {4}

Hananiah the False Prophet:

1In that same year, at the beginning of the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, in the fifth month of the fourth year, Hananiah the son of Azzur, the prophet from Gibeon, spoke to me in the house of the Lord, in the presence of the priests and all the people, saying, 2“Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: I have broken the yoke of the king of Babylon. 3Within two years I will bring back to this place all the vessels of the Lord’s house, which Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon took away from this place and carried to Babylon. 4I will also bring back to this place Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim, king of Judah, and all the exiles from Judah who went to Babylon, declares the Lord, for I will break the yoke of the king of Babylon.”

5Then the prophet Jeremiah spoke to Hananiah the prophet in the presence of the priests and all the people who were standing in the house of the Lord, 6and the prophet Jeremiah said, “Amen! May the Lord do so; may the Lord make the words that you have prophesied come true, and bring back to this place from Babylon the vessels of the house of the Lord, and all the exiles. 7Yet hear now this word that I speak in your hearing and in the hearing of all the people. 8The prophets who preceded you and me from ancient times prophesied war, famine, and pestilence against many countries and great kingdoms. 9As for the prophet who prophesies peace, when the word of that prophet comes to pass, then it will be known that the Lord has truly sent the prophet.”

10Then the prophet Hananiah took the yoke-bars from the neck of Jeremiah the prophet and broke them. 11And Hananiah spoke in the presence of all the people, saying, “Thus says the Lord: Even so will I break the yoke of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon from the neck of all the nations within two years.” But Jeremiah the prophet went his way.

12Sometime after the prophet Hananiah had broken the yoke-bars from off the neck of Jeremiah the prophet, the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah: 13“Go, tell Hananiah, ‘Thus says the Lord: You have broken wooden bars, but you have made in their place bars of iron. 14For thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: I have put upon the neck of all these nations an iron yoke to serve Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and they shall serve him, for I have given to him even the beasts of the field.’” 15And Jeremiah the prophet said to the prophet Hananiah, “Listen, Hananiah, the Lord has not sent you, and you have made this people trust in a lie. 16Therefore thus says the Lord: ‘Behold, I will remove you from the face of the earth. This year you shall die, because you have uttered rebellion against the Lord.’” 

17In that same year, in the seventh month, the prophet Hananiah died. (Jeremiah 28:1-16).

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1).



Further Reading: Moggerhanger Park http://ukapologeticslibrary.net/ecumenists-clifford-hill-david-noakes-moggerhanger-park/

{1} https://www.issacharministries.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=18&Itemid=213

{2} http://www.prophecytoday.uk/comment/editorial.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-second-eu-referendum-vote-remain-poll-uk-leave-a8558446.html
{3} https://www.moriel.org/online-sermons/37-itinerary/7063-moriel-scottish-conference,-gartmore-house-fri-sun-2-4-nov-2018.html
{4} https://www.moriel.org/component/k2/item/2629-prophecy-from-david-noakes.html

DAVID NATHAN THROWN UNDER THE BUS BY JACOB PRASCH MORIEL MINISTRIES!

David Nathan (Bread of Life Ministries) has recently been ousted from his position of South African Administrator of Moriel Ministries in the most callous and unchristian manner! The reasons given by Jacob Prasch and his associate Marco Quintana (Moriel USA) are based on what can only be described as various pretexts.

Prasch: "* David's teaching on this video that 'no one will be Born Again after the rapture' is directly contradictory to Revelation 14:6. The Gospel being preached via angelic agency from midheaven at that time of God's wrath being released concurrent with the rapture is defined in that text as a Gospel that is 'Eternal' (eugalion aonion eugalesai). The Gospel of repentance, faith, and salvation will be preached and it is an 'eternal' message of salvation. Eternity is an all-encompassing term in both Greek and English and includes the Millennium. David Nathan's forceful assertions in this regard and the teaching of the plain meaning of text are mutually exclusive. " The full text can be read on the following link: https://www.facebook.com/MorielTV/

As always with Prasch, the devil is quite literally in the detail! God's wrath is not "concurrent" with the rapture! Revelation 7:9-13 refers to the rapture: ..a great multitude from every nation coming out of the great tribulation. This event is followed by opening of the seventh seal: When the Lamb opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. (Revelation 8:1). There is therefore a definite pause between the rapture of the church and the outpouring of God's wrath. In other words, the events are consecutive but asynchronous. The "eternal gospel" given by the angel is preached immediately prior to the rapture of the church, not during the Day of the Lord (the period of God's wrath). The first angel of Revelation 14:7 said: "The hour of his judgement has come.." (has come = ἦλθεν prophetic aorist) i.e. judgement is at hand/impending/imminent. Those who take the mark of the beast will not be saved. (Revelation 14:10-11 cf. Daniel 7:9-10, Daniel 7:14, Daniel 7:26-27; Revelation 11:15). The eternal gospel proclaimed by the angel in Revelation 14:6 is the final appeal to unbelievers before the wrath of God is executed on the beast and on those who worship him. As such there will be NO TESTIMONY/GOSPEL available to people during the Day of the Lord. As Prasch points out, the gospel is "eternal". However, it appears that this particular group of people have utterly rejected the eternal unalterable truth of the gospel, and that their opportunity to receive eternal salvation has come to an end. This is further confirmed in Revelation 16, the passage that refers specifically to the bowls of wrath:

The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and it was allowed to scorch people with fire. They were scorched by the fierce heat, and they cursed the name of God who had power over these plagues. They did not repent and give him glory. (Revelation 16:8-9).

The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in anguish and cursed the God of heaven for their pain and sores. They did not repent of their deeds. (Revelation 16:10-11).

The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands nor give up worshiping demons and idols of gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk, nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts. (Revelation 9:20-21).

"The rest of mankind" seems to be an inclusive statement that does not allow for exceptions.

Revelation 14:6-20:

6Then I saw another angel flying directly overhead, with an eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to every nation and tribe and language and people. 7And he said with a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come, and worship him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water.”
8Another angel, a second, followed, saying, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, she who made all nations drink the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality.”
9And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”
12Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
13And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!”
14Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and seated on the cloud one like a son of man, with a golden crown on his head, and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15And another angel came out of the temple, calling with a loud voice to him who sat on the cloud, “Put in your sickle, and reap, for the hour to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is fully ripe.” 16So he who sat on the cloud swung his sickle across the earth, and the earth was reaped.
17Then another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 18And another angel came out from the altar, the angel who has authority over the fire, and he called with a loud voice to the one who had the sharp sickle, “Put in your sickle and gather the clusters from the vine of the earth, for its grapes are ripe.” 19So the angel swung his sickle across the earth and gathered the grape harvest of the earth and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. 20And the winepress was trodden outside the city, and blood flowed from the winepress, as high as a horse’s bridle, for 1,600 stadia.

Revelation 14:14-16 Pictures the Rapture

Alan Kurschner: "When Christ comes again, there are several events that will happen in conjunction with His second coming. One of them is the resurrection of the righteous dead, along with the translation of all living saints. Many people refer to this as the rapture of the church. These believers will not have to experience death because they will receive their incorruptible bodies in a moment in the twinkling of an eye, see I Corinthians 15:51-55. Many people believe that I Thessalonians 4:13-18 is the only passage that speaks of the rapture of the church. This is not true. There are several and Revelation 14:14-16 is one of them. The word 'rapture' does not appear there, but neither does it appear in I Thessalonians 4:13-18.. {1}

Alan Kurschner believes that both Gentiles and Jews will populate the millennial kingdom. He argues that the sheep/goats judgement suggests a remnant of Gentiles. (Matthew 25:31-46). {2} It is difficult to know who these Gentiles are, given that it appears none will repent during the period of God's wrath (?) The argument that the people who give glory to God after the great earthquake in Revelation 11 will also populate the millennium is tenuous. As previously stated, the two witnesses are raised from the dead before the wrath of God is poured out and the great earthquake occurs at the very same hour. It follows that if these people are saved at that point in time, they will be included in the rapture (?) (Revelation 11:11-13).

I have had no previous affinity with David Nathan due to his association with Prasch/Moriel, and I now consider his teaching, as far as possible, from an unbiased perspective. I find that I can agree with David Nathan up to the point where the scriptures indicate that people will not be saved after the rapture of the church during the period of God's wrath. His theory that there will be no salvation during the millennial reign is difficult however and it does undermine the gospel. To be fair, David Nathan was at pains to repeat more than once in his video concerning the millennium that that this is his theory. {3} 

How does David Nathan's millennium theory compare with the wild speculations of Jacob Prasch, who teaches his dangerous speculations about the rapture, "intra-seal", as fact? Intra-seal is entirely unreliable and full of errors!

Jacob Prasch seems to have backtracked somewhat - he is very good at changing the goalposts and taking down his previous videos! Apparently the period of the tribulation is not seven years as he previously insisted, he now says it is 3.5 years! {4}.

Prasch teaches that there will be no conviction of sin and no more grace during the entire seventieth week of Daniel! He also states that the Holy Spirit will be taken from the world, but not from believers, and that the gospel will not be preached during this entire seven year period. {5} How can this possibly be the case when the scriptures teach that the Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin (John 16:8), and that sinners are actually saved through grace? (Ephesians 2:8). Incidentally, this version of intra-seal contradicts what Prasch wrote in his book Shadows of the Beast page 450 in which he states that grace will come to an end during the "Day of the Lord". {6}

Below is one of Prasch's verbatim rants explaining what happens during the first 3.5 years of his fictional seven year tribulation:

The First 3 1/2 Years Of Tribulation-James Jacob Prasch-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_qwUKA5oUs

"During this three and a half year period, the two witnesses, one of them obviously, if not both, of them, in the spirit of Elijah will be operating. It is going to be very different however from what it is now. Grace has come to an end.. It will not be a period of grace, and the church as such will not exist, believers will, but not the church. It will also be a time of increasing pressure on the church with persecution.. It is not the wrath of God but the tribulation of Satan. This time of three and a half years is the thlipsis, the tribulation..  The first three and a half years will be ?? when the Antichrist will be manifested and the elect will know who he is. The faithful church will know who he is and know what to do about him. The two witnesses will become active at this time... that is what is going to be taking place during this period..  He (the Holy Spirit) will cease restraining the power of Satan.. The gospel as we know it will not be preached at that time. What will be preached is the gospel of the kingdom.. {7}

There are multiple problems with the above eisegesis!

*The Book of Revelation gives us precise information regarding the death of the two witnesses and the time period they will minister. (Revelation 11:1-14). The two witnesses die and are resurrected during the second woe i.e. after the sixth trumpet is blown (Revelation 11:14). This confirms that they will prophesy for 1,260 days during the second half of the 70th week. Their death occurs just before the seventh trumpet is blown i.e. just prior to the Day of the Lord when the bowls of God's wrath will be released. (Revelation 9:12-13; 11:7). Prasch teaches the two witnesses arrival during the first half of the 70th week with "the gospel of the kingdom". This directly contradicts the timing of the two witnesses arrival as recorded in the scriptures. The gospel of the kingdom is the gospel of Jesus Christ.. there are not two gospels! Prasch's alternative gospel, supposedly given by the two witnesses at the wrong time is completely defective! (2 Corinthians 11:4).

*The Antichrist will be a political figure, but he will be incognito until the mid point of the week when he is "revealed". (2 Thessalonians 2:3).
*The tribulation begins after the Antichrist is revealed i.e. the beginning of the second half of the week.
*The "restrainer" of 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7 is not identified in the scriptures. The idea that the "restrainer" is the Holy Spirit originated with John Nelson Darby. However there are good reasons to believe that the "restrainer" is in fact the Archangel Michael.

*Various scriptures talk about "the word of their testimony" i.e. the testimony of believers. What precisely is "the word of their testimony" IF IT IS NOT THE GOSPEL?

And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death. (Revelation 12:11).

And when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony they had upheld. (Revelation  6:9; cf. Revelation 7:9-14).

Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. (Revelation 20:4).

It is extremely suspicious that Moriel has thrown David Nathan under the bus for "serious doctrinal reasons", even more so since Prasch endorses ecumenical "prophet" David Noakes. Noakes will be a joint speaker with Prasch at Moriel's Scottish Conference! Jacob Prasch & David Noakes Moriel Conference 2018! Ecumenism by Stealth? {8}    

The fruit of Moriel Ministries

Below are some comments from the Moriel TV Facebook post. I understand that some of them have now been deleted!

*This is just as I feared, the fruit from Jacob Prasch/Moriel Ministries is confusion and discouragement! I believe that this exposure is a judgement upon Jacob Prasch and I am praying that the tide will finally turn and that believers will stop looking to men. All things work together for good...… God will bring good out of this awful situation.

*there are now many followers who now are having trouble discerning truth from either side...

*I already came out of churches who were into NAR and all the crazy stuff and thought I found a safe place from heresy and false teachings. This is all so troublesome and discouraging to me.

*This was all because we trusted Moriel. We have held them in too high of regard I suppose. This makes me want to not even listen to anyone, maybe just old teachings from David Wilkerson. I know we are supposed to be good Bereans and search for ourselves but the word says we are given teachers, apostles, pastors, and evangelist for the building up of the Saints. It’s scriptural. And yet in this season of spiritual famine and the sea of hirelings not even the pastors of the remnant church are above reproach

*A panel discussion would have been so helpful, and if they put it out on video I think this whole fiasco could have been avoided. As you said there is so much confusion, many don’t even know where to start wading through countless videos and statements. And why all of a sudden? It makes people not want to trust either ministry. Heartbreaking

*Moriel TV: I was introduced to David Nathan, so to speak, by you and have grown to love both of your ministries. I thought I was in a safe environment where I could learn from sound bible teachers and now this has all come up and brought me much confusion and disappointment. I am more disappointed in Moriel Ministries than anyone else because I would have thought you prayerfully sought the Lord and checked out David Nathan before inviting him to be part of your ministry. Now that I've grown to love David Nathan you tell me some of his teaching is heretical after I already recommended him to my family and friends. Just makes me want to stay away from all bible teachers completely and never recommend any ministry again as I don't know who is correct anymore. This all is very hurtful and damaging to the Body of Christ of which I am only one small member.
*Another concern that I have is the Admin of Moriel because many have said that they were blocked from Moriel TV after voicing their concern about this particular issue. Are we really sure that it was Jacob who wrote that post or instructed the brother doing the Admin to write the response and block some folks challenging their message? {9}

David Nathan addresses Prasch as a "brother" in his response below. In contrast, I am in some doubt about Prasch's spiritual condition due to his revisions to the book of Revelation (Revelation 22:18-19), his various false teachings, his habit of verbally abusing anyone who questions him and various other questionable things that I am aware of. As such my posts about Prasch/Moriel are from a very different perspective to that of David Nathan. They are specifically aimed at exposing a very dangerous false teacher, all the more so because he has hoodwinked a significant part of the remnant church. (Ephesians 5:11). 

David Nathan 3 September at 12:37 

"Dear Jacob, David and Marco It is my prayerful desire to respond to your letter of dismissal and numerous posts on social media both by yourselves, Moriel personnel and supporters in a way that both honours our Lord and holds true to the conduct required of believers whilst adequately addressing your numerous accusations regarding my doctrine. With the exception of my understanding regarding salvation during messthe Millennium, not once have any of you or for that matter any Moriel administrator, ever expressed concern regarding my doctrine. On the contrary, you have repeatedly asked me to minister either at your conferences Jacob or in the case of Marco, at Community Church of Devore, not to mention the very positive feedback I received from both Margaret Godwin and Pierre Mosley regarding my ministry. Just a week prior to your letter dismissing me from Moriel, Jacob was inviting me to speak with him at the Moriel Northern Conference in March next year. If there were any concerns with my doctrine, they would have had to have surfaced that week as at no time in my entire association with Moriel had any concern ever been expressed with the exception of the issue regarding the Millennium and that only very recently. Owing to the fact that Moriel holds itself to the highest integrity of obedience to the Word and conducting itself in accordance with it, I am intrigued as to why none of you approached me with your concerns and afforded me the opportunity to address them before making a public judgement which has not only shown me up in an extremely negative light but more importantly has brought much confusion to the brethren. Since you have brought this out into the public domain and have not followed the biblical pattern of first going to your brother or in the case of a heretic, as some are now calling me, admonish me twice before rejecting me (Titus 3:10), you have left me no choice but to respond in public. For sake of brevity I respectively ask you to allow me to address the three of you as a collective. No disrespect is intended at all. Salvation During The Millennium Reign In your letter you write that I had agreed to amend my teaching on this subject, then posted that I agreed to retract it completely. Neither of these statements are accurate or correct. When I met with Jacob and David Lister in Los Angeles together with my wife Jacqui, I agreed to clarify my position on the Millennium. I was and am most willing and open to correction if I am shown where I am wrong scripturally. This was what I agreed to and still very much still agree to. I then asked you, Jacob, to explain to me how you understand this subject as I am very open and willing to be corrected. Your response was less than two minutes long. You made two points. Firstly, you likened the salvation of the Bride to a Midrash of the three stages of the ancient Jewish marriage. You saw the time between the Marriage Feast of the Lamb (Revelation 19:7-9) and the New Jerusalem descending from Heaven (Revelation 21:9-10) as corresponding to the time between the betrothed couple celebrating their marriage at a wedding feast/banquet and the actual consummation of their marriage. Thus you reasoned that the Millennium Reign corresponds to this time period in which men can be saved as we currently are and become part of the Bride together with us. Secondly you said that on the night Jesus made the New Covenant that He said that this is the eternal covenant made in His blood, therefore the covenant cannot end even into the Millennium. I diligently searched the scriptures and could not find any place where He said this or anything similar to what you had said. Perhaps you never realised what you had just said, but both Jacqui and I heard it clearly but even so I will gladly give you the benefit of the doubt, as I too have on occasion not quoted scripture 100% accurately without consciously realising it. Yet the only mention of the covenant being everlasting in the New Covenant is in Hebrews 13:20 and applies specifically in its context to us in this age. With your response to my question, I began to ponder very prayerfully my position and even brought the topic up a few weeks later with Marco when we were together in Canada. Both Chris and Jane from Canada recall very vividly while we all sat at their dining room table that I asked them all, including Marco and Rebecca for their understanding on the subject as I was wanting to get clarity before I responded. Neither Marco nor anyone else disagreed with how I saw things even though I was asking for their critique of my view and any input that would help me see things from Jacob’s point of view. Nothing was forthcoming, so I continued to study the subject which is why I had not yet responded. Added to this, I have been ministering extensively since the initial meeting in May and had not gotten round to what I thought was an expounding of my understanding of a rather secondary issue in light of the fact that it has no outworking on any believers salvation or relationship with the Lord in this age. I am still very willing to change my views if you are graciously able to help me understand the following dilemmas I have with this subject, apart from the ones that you are now very familiar with. No disrespect or contrariness is intended but a sincere desire to learn if I am indeed wrong in my understanding. In Ezekiel 44:5-9 it is written, “5And the Lord said to me, "Son of man, mark well, see with your eyes and hear with your ears, all that I say to you concerning all the ordinances of the house of the Lord and all its laws. Mark well who may enter the house and all who go out from the sanctuary. 6"Now say to the rebellious, to the house of Israel, 'Thus says the Lord God: "O house of Israel, let Us have no more of all your abominations. 7When you brought in foreigners, uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in My sanctuary to defile it—My house—and when you offered My food, the fat and the blood, then they broke My covenant because of all your abominations. 8And you have not kept charge of My holy things, but you have set others to keep charge of My sanctuary for you." 9Thus says the Lord God: "No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart or uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter My sanctuary, including any foreigner who is among the children of Israel.” It is clear in the above text that those who are not circumcised in their flesh may not enter the Temple during the Millennium, yet we know from the New Testament that circumcision is not necessary for the Gentiles (1 Corinthians 7:19; Galatians 5:6; Galatians 6:15; Colossians 3:11 etc. etc.). - Why then, if folk are born again according to the New Covenant in the Millennium, do they need to be circumcised according to the Old at this time? In Ezekiel 44:10-13 it is written, “And the Levites who went far from Me, when Israel went astray, who strayed away from Me after their idols, they shall bear their iniquity. 11 Yet they shall be ministers in My sanctuary, as gatekeepers of the house and ministers of the house; they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister to them. 12 Because they ministered to them before their idols and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity, therefore I have raised My hand in an oath against them," says the Lord GOD, "that they shall bear their iniquity. 13 And they shall not come near Me to minister to Me as priest, nor come near any of My holy things, nor into the Most Holy Place; but they shall bear their shame and their abominations which they have committed.” The above passage indicates that the Levites who went astray would never be restored back to the Lord and are forbidden to minister before Him as priests in the Millennium whilst continuing to bear their shame. Yet under the New Covenant our sins are blotted out (Acts 3:19) and remembered no more (Hebrews 8:12 and Hebrews 10:17). - Why are the memory of these sins then still retained by the Lord? - If they are priests under the New Covenant at this time, why are they forbidden to minister before the Lord as it seems to contradict 1 Peter 2:4-5 and 9-10? It is further written in Ezekiel 44:23, “And they shall teach My people the difference between the holy and the unholy, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.” - Why, if folk are born again, do they need to be taught to differentiate between the clean and the unclean, if they are not under Law but under the covenant of grace? Further, it is written in Ezekiel 45:15-17, “15And one lamb shall be given from a flock of two hundred, from the rich pastures of Israel. These shall be for grain offerings, burnt offerings, and peace offerings, to make atonement for them," says the Lord God. 16"All the people of the land shall give this offering for the prince in Israel. 17Then it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the feasts, the New Moons, the Sabbaths, and at all the appointed seasons of the house of Israel. He shall prepare the sin offering, the grain offering, the burnt offering, and the peace offerings to make atonement for the house of Israel…." - Why does the Lord command that atonement be made for the house of Israel if they are saved by grace and these sacrifices are only memorials and are not meant to atone? -Why are they not forgiven as we are, through the blood of Jesus and just atoned for? -Why does the Lord say that the sacrifices are for atonement and nowhere in all scripture as far as I am aware is there any reference to them being merely memorials in the Millennium? My last question comes from Ezekiel 46:1-3, Thus says the Lord God: "The gateway of the inner court that faces toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the Sabbath it shall be opened, and on the day of the New Moon it shall be opened. 2 The prince shall enter by way of the vestibule of the gateway from the outside, and stand by the gatepost. The priests shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings. He shall worship at the threshold of the gate. Then he shall go out, but the gate shall not be shut until evening. 3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the entrance to this gateway before the LORD on the Sabbaths and the New Moons. I understand that the eastern gate of the temple is holy to the Lord for it is through this gate that He enters the Temple. Under the Old Covenant access to the inner courts of the Temple were restricted to the Levites. Yet under the New Covenant we are encouraged to come boldly into the Holy of Holies through the blood of Jesus (Hebrews 10:19-22) because the veil has been torn. (Matthew 27:51; Hebrew 9:8-9) -Why in Millennium are believers restricted from entering into the Lord’s presence except on the Sabbath and Holy Days? -It appears that those in the Millennium are subject to restrictions that we are not under. Why the difference if we are both under the same New Covenant and as you affirm are part of the same Bride? Why do they seemingly not enjoy the same benefits we do if we are both under the same covenant? Your insights and answers will be most welcome as this is all I have sought. Standing on a Rhema The next few allegations that have been made all come from a course outline that accompany a series titled Foundation Principles Course or the newer series titled Elementary Principles. It saddened me when I realized that none of you bothered to take the time to even listen to any of these teachings before making your damning accusations and drawing your tainted conclusions before making them public without first ever expressing any concerns to me directly. Had you followed the biblical instruction and come to me first you might never have made some of these allegations. The word “rhema” according to Thayers Greek dictionary is defined as, “that which is or has been uttered by the living voice, thing spoken, word”. Vines defines rhema, “denotes "that which is spoken, what is uttered in speech or writing" Hence the context it was used in was that which is spoken to you by God or shown you as you seek Him for wisdom and guidance. Nowhere in the teaching do I ever suggest nor have I ever suggested or intimated that a word give you by God is equal to scripture. This is an assumption that you have made by reading a bullet point summary of a teaching without listening to the content. You then go on to make a false assumption that I propagate the error of seeking a new word to supersede the written word. I have never suggested or taught anything like this, on the contrary I have stood against this very thing. Yet you made this assumption and made it public without any attempt to verify my position or even listen to the teaching. I challenge you to listen to the teaching for yourselves and you will see for yourselves that you have falsely accused me of teaching something that I never did or have ever done. Below is the link and you can start listening from the 29th minute. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egFkJawXhCk For the sake of that which is noble and right in the sight of our Lord I hope that you will do what is honourable and listen then judge whether or not you have brought a false accusation against a brother. Laying on of Hands Again it is clear that you have not listened to this teaching as you make this accusation and I quote directly, “This very similar to the transferring of anointing found in erroneous charsamania teachings. Exodus 30 teaches us that the anointing cannot be transferred.” And, “Neither can we, (on the basis of Exodus chapter 30 and the absence of exegetical warrant in the New Testament) sanction David's understanding of "laying on of hands",…” Three times in just one of many places in the teaching, one after the other I repeat the very thing that you have written, “you cannot transfer the anointing”. Yet you accuse me of teaching what I have not taught and indeed teach against and then make a false accusation publically. Again I invite you to listen to the actual teaching and then you judge whether I have taught what you accuse me of or not and you then decide if you have acted with integrity or not. Here is the link to the teaching, https://www.youtube.com/watch… The Baptism of the Holy Spirit On this I do not offer a defence but an acknowledgement that I have the same understanding on this subject as Dr Martin Lloyd-Jones, David Pawson and practically every Pentecostal theologian and minister has had with very, very few exceptions. I have listened to Jacobs teaching that he did in November 2017 at Ainsdale on the subject and feel that it is inconsistent with his own testimony. In the teaching he says that at salvation you receive the Holy Spirit objectively but at some point it then becomes a subjective experience. I have no problem in theory with this. He cites his own experience in being saved through a cult and then struggling with backsliding for two years before being filled with the Spirit. What made the objective become subjective if not that the Holy Spirit came upon him to empower him to stand. How does this differ from what I teach? You then take issue with the fact that I wrote that the most obvious signs in the scriptures that someone was filled with the Spirit was that they prophesied and spoke with tongues. I never said it was the only sign but the obvious signs. If you had listened to the actual teaching you would have heard me emphasise over and over again that tongues are not the only sign and that folk can be filled with the Spirit and not speak in tongues. But again you preferred to issue a judgement without seeking to confirm that your accusations were correct. Here is the link to the teaching if you are wanting to know what I actually teach and believe, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhJwHV-Y2ik Being Slain in the Spirit Your entire objection is that and I quote you, “And in these quotes, there is no distinction between “falling” as a physical act, and the actual Greek terms used to denote instances of worship…” Again you make accusations and assumptions from a very brief bullet point summary on a lengthy teaching without listening to the actual teaching itself and then arrive at a presupposition of what I actually believe and teach. Charles Wesley, Jonathan Edwards, George Whitefield, Francis Asbury, Charles Finney, George Fox and Dr Martin Lloyd-Jones and a multitude of conservative non-charismatic ministers have since the 1700’s from time to time witnessed something akin to being slain in the Spirit. In my teaching I expose the demonic, the hypnotic counterfeit and the genuine as witnessed by those in scripture. This subject is covered in the last quarter of the teaching on the Laying on of Hands, https://www.youtube.com/watch… Dominion Theology – God Has to Ask Permission to Intervene in This World I take the blame for this as I had in the past not explained my position clearly enough in course notes that I had written many years ago. I did a teaching expounding my understanding on this as I am 100% against dominion theology. I welcome your comments on my actual and not perceived views so that if my understanding is incorrect I may receive correction. Here is the teaching that explains my understanding, I will amend the notes to more clearly reflect this and I thank you for bringing it to my attention, https://www.youtube.com/watch… In Summary As a brother and a fellow minister I would have appreciated the opportunity to be corrected if I was indeed in error privately before taking this into the public domain. Unfortunately you have chosen to handle this both unwisely and unbiblically and as a result many have been hurt and confused by all this. I seek not to defend my reputation for I have none nor care for one but I seek the wellbeing of the flock who are easily unsettled in these turbulent times. In an instant whether willingly or unwillingly you have undermined everything I have ever taught by your many allegations. To say that somethings I teach are good and the rest bad only leaves people with the question, what is truth and what is error? That you have caused relationships to be severed by your accusations and my family both saved and unsaved to be severely affected by your accusations is something that I hope you will reflect on and hopefully learn from. Despite my immense disappointment with the many unfounded accusations you have made and the way you have acted I assure you of my continual love for you all and wish you nothing but God’s grace and goodness upon you, your families and your respective ministries. Till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; David Nathan Bread of Life Ministries."

{1} https://www.alankurschner.com/2018/04/04/where-is-the-rapture-in-the-book-of-revelation/
{2} https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Lm4e5r9ZI (24:30 minutes)
{3} https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwjqvkLWfpM
{4}. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2018/07/jacob-prasch-make-up-your-mind-how-long.html
{5} https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2016/08/grace-distorted-hypocrisy-of-jacob.html
{6} Jacob Prasch, Shadows of the Beast, 2011, p 450
{7} https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojHLwubcjPA
{8} https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2018/09/jacob-prasch-david-noakes-moriel.html
{9} https://www.facebook.com/MorielTV/