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Sunday, 31 May 2015

HOWARD CONDER REVELATION TV: APOLOGY FOR FALSE ACCUSATIONS BUT WHAT ABOUT THE GOSPEL?

Howard Conder via Facebook: 

"In and around December 2014 and or January 2015, I published certain names on my own Facebook of those whom I thought had complained to the Charity Commission about members of the Revelation Foundation and included myself and members of my own family.

From memory, I named persons such as Sarah nee J., Chris F. and Sheila P. whom I believed had conspired to bring Revelation TV down and or malign members of the Revelation Tv team including members of the Conder Family. Now if this was not the case that these persons in particular did not themselves bring their individual gripes and assumptions nor did they conspire between themselves or others to defame or misrepresent the truth, then I sincerely apologise to one and all.

I personally have come to the position that I place my trust in the living God to bring to a conclusion what I call is at the very least, misunderstandings between some members of the body of Christ and the workings of our ministry within the various organisations associated to the running of Revelation TV.


With the time that is left in my life I would rather not try and defend every tounge that rises up against us,therefore I place myself under the judgement of Christ otherwise we all would be forever spending time on protecting our reputations and lose our focus and precious time in trying to bring others into the Kingdom of God.

Once again, if I have hurt anyone in any way when I tried in the past to defend myself and my family, then I am truly sorry.

My prayer and hope is that one day we can all fulfil this scripture: “Behold how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity… Psalm 133 verse 1
Amen."


LET US ANALYSE CONDER'S TOKEN APOLOGY

Howard Conder published the names of certain people he thought had complained to the Charity Commission! We can all think a lot of unfounded accusatory things, but to put them into the public domain is unscriptural. The Bible tells us that every matter MUST be established by two or three witnesses (2 Corinthians 13:1) Conder did not even have ONE witness! Conder has realised his mistake in this respect which is something, but it does beg the question about the wisdom of such an action. Even by worldly standards this was very foolish. Conder seems to be under the delusion that he should be the judge of whether it was right or wrong for people to report the Revelation Foundation to the Charity Commission. The Bible says that the authorities are God's servants to carry out God's wrath on the wrongdoer (Romans 13:4). If those reporting the Revelation Foundation to the Charity Commission had a genuine case that the law was broken, then they were absolutely within their legal rights in doing so! Conder's opinion about this is irrelevant. Conder believed that there was a conspiracy to bring down RTV and to malign members of his family. Who is Conder to dictate who can and who cannot have conversations with one another about RTV, and what evidence does he have that this was a conspiracy to defame or misrepresent the truth? I find Conder's twisted logic and arrogance quite disgusting, especially considering that he himself has publicly defamed Sarah Acott and others without reason. Ironically, RTV themselves are past masters at misrepresenting financial information and maligning the truth!

I also know that Gordon Pettie (aka Ian Gordon Pettie?) has threatened legal action against believers who have personal grievances against RTV in order to intimidate them into silence. To issue such a threat is despicable. The apostle Paul was appalled because believers were taking legal action against one another in courts before unbelievers. He calls this action shameful - he wrote to the Corinthians church, rather let yourself be wronged, or let yourself be defrauded before doing such a wicked thing:
 
When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints? Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church? I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers, but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers? To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded? But you yourselves wrong and defraud—even your own brothers! (1 Corinthians 6:1-8)

Conder refers to the damage of gross financial deception and slander caused by himself and his associates  "misunderstandings" !!!  The weightiness of what RTV have done is far more serious than misunderstandings - they have brought the way of truth into disrepute (2 Peter 2:2)!

Conder cannot defend the indefensible and he claims to have placed himself under the judgement of Christ so that he can focus his precious time in trying to bring others into the Kingdom of God! How does Conder imagine that the false teachers he airs will bring anyone into the Kingdom of God?  Faithful Christians have been hurt terribly in the process of Conder's ambition and empire building at whatever cost. The real cost has tragically been the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Conder will indeed face the judgement of Christ unless he repents. The only thing that Conder has repented of (in writing anyway) is making very serious false accusations against those who were concerned to uphold integrity at RTV. What about gross nepotism, lack of wisdom, threats, outbursts of anger, financial deception and slander? What about airing false teachers with a false gospel and putting the love of money ahead of the Gospel? RTV are STILL airing false teachers for money! What does all this say about Conder's character and his ability to run a so called Christian TV station? The best thing he could do is to shut down Revelation TV completely and stick to running secular clubs, bars and other ungodly pursuits.

Conder's parting shot is for unity Psalm 133:1. Jesus Christ's prayer for unity is dependant upon keeping his word (John 17:6,8) God's word is TRUTH (John 17:17, 19). Truth is something very sadly lacking in both the false teachers that RTV airs and the behaviour of its founder and staff.

JOHN 17

When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

“I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word. Now they know that everything that you have given me is from you. For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me. I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. All mine are yours, and yours are mine, and I am glorified in them. And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one. While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. But now I am coming to you, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy fulfilled in themselves. I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one.They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth.

I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me. Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world. O righteous Father, even though the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me. I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.” 


UPDATE 

Howard Conder via Facebook: 

".....Disappointingly, it has since been reported to me that some of those same
folk have chosen to use this Facebook page to promote further dissention
rather than seek a peaceful solution. For this reason, since the apology is
clearly not received and the matter still unresolved, this Facebook page will
be closed whilst I seek Pastoral advice for the purpose of allowing an
arbitration to take place where my accusers can put their cases foward to a
panel of Pastors in the body of Christ that are well respected and are full of
wisdom in order to judge me and my accusers.
I will stand or fall according to their judgement for I fear not what my
accusers say.
Meanwhile let us not forget the declaration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ to
a fallen world.
I hope to start the ball rolling next week so that we can once and for all sort
this situation out.
I think this is scriptural for it is written that those in the Body of Christ have
the responsibility to judge between the brethren as they are soon to judge
the Angels."
 

COMMENTS 

Howard Conder has once again used his Facebook page to vilify others and to claim that those with genuine concerns about his behaviour are promoting dissension. Indeed this matter is still unresolved - but why? How long did Sarah Acott and others seek a "peaceful solution" How many complaints from viewers have RTV completely ignored, going back not days, not months, but years in time?  I believe that the time frame for arbitration has long since past. Why does Conder suddenly want to break the mould and do things biblically at this point in time, and what does he hope to achieve by seeking arbitration apart from saving face? If arbitration does go ahead, I will be very interested to see which "pastors" he uses. We can discount Hugh Jackman, whose Mickey Mouse honorary "doctorate" is consistent with his obvious lack of biblical knowledge - such a man is unqualified to call himself a "pastor": http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/revelation-tv-howard-conder-twisted.html

I sincerely doubt if Conder knows any pastors in the Body of Christ who are well respected and full of wisdom. Those men who are qualified for such a task, like Jacob Prasch and Bob Mitchell, shunned Conder long ago. Maybe Conder can get some of his apostate cronies from God TV like Joyce Meyer to arbitrate, or alternatively perhaps one of his Seventh Day Adventist buddies will do the job! 

Conder: "Let us not forget the gospel of Jesus Christ to a fallen world...."  Is he having a laugh!!!

Howard Conder continues to support a FALSE GOSPEL by giving false teachers a platform for money, he should take his own advice!!!

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8)

20 comments:

William Scully said...

This rather transparent and hollow mea culpa is typical of Conder's modus operandi, and indeed, that of all manipulative individuals. The facts are clearly undeniable, so he is now trying to shift his ground in a vain attempt to portray himself as a nice guy, and, he hopes, to make his distractors go away and leave him alone. Phrases like "With the time that is left in my life" are there to engender pity, and even to make us all feel a little guilty for attacking him in the first place. Nobody should be fooled by this for a second, we are dealing with a highly devious and controlling individual who brooks no criticism, and who's only agenda is feathering the nests of himself, his family and loyal acolytes like Pettie.

Treena Gisborn said...

Thank you for your thoughts William, I couldn't agree more. RTV are seriously compromising Christian broadcasting in the UK - the stakes are so very high. I am seeking further advice about "arbitration" and I hope somehow to be able to get a message through to Jacob Prasch. Please pray that Satan will not use this situation to further the false gospel here in the UK. God bless you.

Anonymous said...

Hi Treena,

The Charity Commission would not consider any complaint without valid reasons. they make that quite clear on their website.

God Bless

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Anonymous said...

Dear Treena,

I watched the Late Show on RTV, last night. Condor was on with Hugh Osgood, and Hugh Jackman. They showed the full prophecy that was spoken over Condors life by Jonathan David. I found the whole programme dire. Towards the end of the programme Condor and Hugh Jackman were saying how the Devil was howling against the channel and how people were coming against them on blogs etc, with half truths. Nothing of Condors behaviour has changed with regards to airing his own attacks on people who have an opinion and a legitimate concern regarding the finances of RTV. People who they are attacking have paid lots of money into the charity, a fact they seem to forget and refuse to acknowledge. The very least RTV have not been open as to the whole operation and all the companies they are directors of, including directorship of Howies Bar. I notice that Tun split hairs regarding Condors involvement in Howies Bar. Condor may not own it but he is listed as a director, and Gordon Pettie is listed as a director of yet another company on the Spanish register. Why not be open in the first place regarding these companies, That is all people wanted who ORIGINALLY SUPPORTED REV TV WHEN THEY COULD LEAST AFFORD IT. AND YET THREATEN PEOPLE FOR SPEAKING OUT. sorry about typing and Grammar Treena i hope you get to watch the programme on catchup or the repeat. Bless You Treena

Anonymous said...

ps. I live on a small private pension of four hundred and sixty pounds a month, after working for 31years and not having any help from the state but still managed to give to rev tv, so I am so upset and angry how would rev tv like to manage on that every month and still go without to give to charity. shame on you rich people for misleading me. But God has taught me to live on little and love him more than life itself. come quick please Jesus.

Treena Gisborn said...

Thank you Anonymous.

I have written about Howard Conder's delusional comparison with the prophet Elijah. Jonathan David is a cult leader whose teachings are based on dominion, word-faith, NAR prosperity and title; he is a proven false prophet! Conder quoted part of this prophecy on his Facebook page: ".....God would bring a confrontation of TRUTH through my ministry just like Elijah." Given Howard Conder's dubious relationship with the TRUTH, I think we can totally disregard this "prophecy":

http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/revelation-tv-howard-conders-delusional.html

Regarding Conder's directorship of Howies Bar - if he does not own it, then it seems very strange that it is named after him! If Conder doesn't own it, then who does? Did Conder invest money into this venture? If he did (which seems likely), where did the money come from? If he invested money into Howies that he made from airing false teachers on 21st Century TV then it would indeed be disgusting. Conder owes his financial supporters and viewers an explanation about this and many other matters.

As far as Hugh Osgood is concerned, he is out and out ecumenical. He is one of the 6 Presidents of Churches Together in England. Ecumenism is the spirit of Antichrist!!!

Rob Thomas said...

Hi Treena!

So they think that it's the Devil howling against the channel? Such incredibly arrogant delusion! They have deliberately blinded themselves to any possibility that it is actually the Holy Spirit motivating genuinely and rightfully concerned Christians to bring their shameful darkness into the light. This sobering Scripture comes to mind:

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight."" (Isaiah 5:20-21)

There's a wise old saying, "When you're in a hole - stop digging!" Conder & Co are just digging themselves deeper in. Folly indeed!

Best wishes, in Jesus' mighty Name,
Rob.

Treena Gisborn said...

Looking into "Doctor Hugh's" "Doctorate".....
http://hughjackman.org.uk/online/
On Hugh Jackman's Linkedin page it says that he has a Doctor of Ministry from Excel University.
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/hajackman
It is worth noting that in serious academic circles the Dmin (Doctor of Ministry) is considered a "fluff" or "Micky Mouse" degree. If Jackman does have this qualification, it is no way, shape, or form equivalent to or even comparable to a real PhD.
A mere £1500 will buy you the combined Masters and Doctoral from Excel University:
http://www.theexceluniversity.org/coursefees/
It is also worth noting that his previous qualifications have nothing to do with theology: http://hughjackman.org.uk/personal/hughjackman2010.pdf

Anonymous said...

But! What is a "real PhD" worth? Absolutely N-O-T-H-I-N-G! Ask God?
Please read 1 Corinthians 1.20.
Arthur Pink did the right thing when he declined such worldly accreditations.
He declined any "honours from men", he rejected the title of Doctor, and Jacob Prasch regards Pink highly. Bible colleges are in the hands of Satan.
But, no doubt 100-200 years ago, these accreditations DID mean at least something, but not any more.
Is ANY degree worth anything? Only in the eyes of world lings and those who would advance themselves in the world.
Pink said some 70 odd years ago that Bible colleges were the breeding ground of the Devil's children.

Treena Gisborn said...

I tend to broadly agree with you Anonymous. God's calling is paramount before any kind of study will be of benefit, and when one does study it MUST be based soundly on the Word of God. Paul wrote to Timothy: "Study to show yourself approved..... rightly dividing the word of God" (2 Timothy 2/15). Studying for worldly accreditation and a title is of the flesh: "Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves." (Philippians 2/3) The title of "Doctor" might mean something secondarily if Jackman's character and calling were apparent, but he clearly cannot rightly divide the word of truth. To compensate for his lack of gifting and calling he has attempted to validate his "ministry" with a "Micky Mouse" qualification. The Bible says with very good reason: "Not many of you should become teachers....." (James 3/1) Many Bible colleges are corrupt these days and do much harm with their doctrines of demons. God bless you.

Anonymous said...

Although I struggle greatly, and disagree with many of Prasch's teachings; I absolutely hate his Arminian free-will gospel, his doctrines on the Nephillim, and his rants against cessationism, but as with Whitefield, Spurgeon, J.C.Ryle and many other believers in the "doctrines of grace" aka C***inism" who rejected Wesley's constant tirade against predestination/election-please read the account of Wesley/Toplady, I extend grace to him, as I believe he preaches salvation by the blood of Christ ALONE! Theology will save no man, ask if you can the thief on the cross?
God bless you.

Treena Gisborn said...

I regard Jacob Prasch as one of the best teachers of our time Anonymous. The free will argument is challenging I think because we are saved by grace alone..... and I understand that God gives us the ability to respond to Him. Nevertheless, not all do respond do they... and so we have a dilema because God desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth - 1 Tim 2/4. I do not like Calvinism at all. As for the Nephilim - I totally believe that they were hybrids produced by fallen angels mixing with human women, I have not heard another convincing explanation. I am also against cessationism.... so I guess we disagree. I will read Wesley/Toplady as you suggest. We are perhaps getting of the subject of RTV here. God bless tx

Anonymous said...


It is interesting that you say "How does Conder imagine that the false teachers he airs will bring anyone into the Kingdom of God?" (and in BOLD).
Certainly, I concur with the spirit in which you say this, but, from my own personal walk to faith (and no doubt many others?) in Christ as Saviour, I thank God for the false teachers! If it were not for them, I would never have heard the Gospel in the first place! Such is the way predestination woks? "All things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are called according to His purpose." Romans 8.28.
This is a strange paradox, but nevertheless true? It was only subsequently I discovered these teachers/ministers were ecumenical and didn't believe in the literal 6 days of Creation, about 6000 years ago (without a gap!), and told me not to be concerned with prophecy (especially the Revelation), just to name but a few things.
Sadly there will be many who watch RTV who will continue to support Howard & Co, just like the many who will continue to buy 'Christian' books authored by the wolves you are trying (rightly) to expose.
The "wheat and the tares" (true and false Christians) will grow together until the harvest? It is up to us as individuals to study our Bibles and be Bereans Acts 17.11. Is it for nothing that the Apostle says "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears, and they shall turn their ears away from the truth..." 2 Tim 4.3-4?
BTW, I was horrified when I first discovered I was a C****nist! Many of the so-called Divines of time past named the Arminian Wesley as a brother in Christ (despite his atrocious dealings with Toplady!) because he preached salvation by faith in the blood of Christ ALONE. As long as anyone does that, they too are my brothers in Christ (inc Prasch), but this lot at RTV are ecumenical so how can I ever call them my brothers in Christ? I cannot understand why many cannot see the wickedness of ecumenism and it's Rome bound course? Many today speak lightly of the Reformation; a great sin.
God bless.

Treena Gisborn said...

As I suspected, it has been confirmed that Hugh Jackman's "doctorate" is an honorary Doctorate in Ministry Awarded by Excel University in November 2014.
See photos of the graduation here:
http://www.theexceluniversity.org/honoraryceremony/

Web site:
http://www.theexceluniversity.org/
Check out the use of logos at the bottom of the front page.

Is run by this church:
http://www.excelcenter.org.uk/meet_the_pastors.htm
Which is connected with Bishop John Francis

Treena Gisborn said...

Going back to Howies Bar, there is a clear connection between Howies and 21st Century Television. The first comment on Sarah Acott's post today about Howies Bar reads:

Domain Name: HOWIESCLUB.COM
Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com
Registrant Name: Howard Conder
Registrant Organization: 21st Century Television Ltd

https://godvschristianity.wordpress.com/2015/06/04/howies-bar-and-questionable-behaviour-from-revelation-tv-staff/

Also the following link describe's the OWNERS as Luigi and Howie.
http://web.archive.org/web/20140326084816/http://howiesclub.com/about-the-owners/

If Conder doesn't own Howies jointly with Luigi, then what does this information mean Alan Tun?

Treena Gisborn said...

I have received a reply from the FCA regarding Gordon Pettie and the Barlow Clowes Fraud.

Emdad Siyed Hussain (Mr)
Associate | Financial Conduct Authority:

“I’ve searched our website and internal systems, and I’m afraid I haven’t found any information that would confirm that Gordon Pettie was cleared of fraud.”

The FCA have advised me to contact Companies House to find out more information – I have emailed them today.

Anonymous said...

hi treena

if you give companies house the name and number they will send you copies of every document filed for that company. even dissolved companies. if there was a compulory winding up notice etc you could also check with the official receivers office. companies house will also give you details of past disqualified directors ask them to check the archives. downside- there is a small fee for all this info.

GOd bless

Treena Gisborn said...

Thank you Anonymous - this is worth doing definitely. God bless tx

Anonymous said...

Just received this in my E Mails

Time for Revelation

Join us tonight at 9pm BST for ‘Time for Revelation’.

The Revelation team are looking forward to sharing news of the TV station, and especially the finances of the Channel - both the budgeted expenditure for the year, and the month by month income. We look forward to you joining us for tonight's live show.