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Friday 8 May 2015

alleged dishonesty and deception: are revelation tv conning their supporters about finances?

Sarah Acott was involved in running the channels on Revelation TV during their first year of broadcasting. She became suspicious and wrote to Peter Darg and the Trustees in 2012 outlining some very serious concerns about the money that goes to 21st Century Television Ltd, the holding company for Revelation TV. Sarah has been "sitting" on this information for a number of years, but now has decided to go public with it. I totally support Sarah's decision because I believe that it is better for RTV to be exposed by genuine believers rather than by the secular media for the sake of the Christian witness (2 Peter 2:2). Below is a transcript of Sarah's concerns which I have not altered, apart from highlighting certain critical points and deleting Sarah's contact details: 

"Dear Peter and Trustees 

I originally wrote this report to you in February, but was asked not to send it at the time due to the then climate that existed at Revelation. There are a few things I do not agree with regarding the way that the channel operates, however today I just want to focus on finances. 

Peter, I don’t know if you would remember me. I was the then 17 year old girl who used to run the live shows during the first year of the channel? 

I have knowledge of the inner workings of the channel as I didn’t just do the live shows, but also training others, scheduling and working in the office before it was moved to Surbiton. During this time I learnt about the finances, airtime sales etc so have put my own knowledge together with that available on the internet and come to the following conclusions. The conclusions below were written back in February before Howard’s email to everyone@revelationtv.com and now look as being correct. I have not edited this much further so a lot of this is now possibly old news, so please bear with it. 

The issue I wish to raise is that donors to the channel are being mislead in the way that funds are raised and presented on the Building the Foundation programme. The programme leads the viewer to believe that the finances reported on the pie charts are a representation of the entire channels financial operation. This is not true and could be accused of being fraudulent. I am only bringing this to you because I believe that this is something that you as the legal overseers should be aware of. 

It became obvious to me when I watched one of the first Building the Foundation programmes years ago. The income stated leaves out one of the largest income streams into the channel – airtime and advertising sales. Having worked in the office during the set up of the channel I know about the 21st Century television account and believe that the money from this huge source of income is going straight into this account. From what I can gather from the charities commission website 21st Century Television makes donations to the Revelation Foundation. The donation total for 2009 was £350,000 I believe. I have a problem with this as by my maths this is no where near the total that is received in airtime and advertising. Using very conservative figures I come to the below sums. 

Airtime at £350 per 30 min slot x 4 paying ministries = £1400 per day x 365 = £511,000 per year
Advertising at £15 per spot x 12 = £180 per day x 365 = £65,700 


As you can see from this very conservative estimate there is around £200,000 which is going into this account. Howard and Gordon have always said 'come and look at our books'. I’m sure they would be happy for someone who hasn’t a clue how a station is run to come and look, but I believe this over confidence is a bluff. 

I do not know what is happening to the money that goes into 21st Century, but as Trustees I hope you do. The reason I am bringing this up is the dishonesty and deception. When I tell people I used to work for the station they often comment about the transparency of the finances and how wonderful it is to see exactly where the money goes. The problem is they are not seeing where all the money goes and if people found out what sort of a response should we expect from the poor old ladies at home who give 'the widow’s mite' in good faith that the money is needed and that there is transparency. How would Jesus respond? 

My own suspicion is that 21st Century tops up the Revelation Foundation at the amount it needs. If I am correct then how wrong is it to convince people of a need which isn’t real? This is fraud and those who are aware of this deception need to repent. I am aware that for some of you however, that this would be unknown. 

There needs to be either a clear distinction for viewers between 21st Century Television and the Revelation Foundation or preferably all money to flow through the Revelation Foundation as this would give the clarity and transparency that the viewers expect. Also I cannot see the charities commission looking favourably on the current reporting of finances. 

Considering that in the initial mission statement of the channel was a very clear statement of not asking for funds on air – things have not only gone very far from the vision, but also veered into an area of possible criminality. 

Please see my other document BTF Report, which is a transcript of the last Building the Foundation programme (February 2012). 

I would like to make it clear that the last thing I want is for this information to go into the public domain. I have sat on this for years and feel I should have confronted earlier, but feel that with the current Trustees there is an opportunity for things to be put right. 

I pray you will have the strength and courage to do what is needed. 

You are welcome to contact me with any questions or queries at xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 

In light of Howard’s email to everyone@revelationtv.com, it is now confirmed that all money from airtime sales etc goes to 21st Century TV and that this money goes to Howard and Lesley. There have been many programmes which suggest that Howard and Lesley do not take a wage from the station and I guess to some extent that could be true as they might take it as a dividend, but this is deceptive. 

Howard’s email said that he didn’t feel comfortable taking from 'the widows mite', which sounds very sacrificial when said in that way, however by taking the entirety of the stations earned (as opposed to donated) money they have created a deficit which the 'widows mite' then has to fill. Personally I cannot see this as a good argument and whilst I don’t wish to be cynical, I believe this is done in this way so that the viewers cannot see how much money is being taken by Howard and Lesley. 

I realise that is a heavy accusation, however I do accounts for a charity myself and can’t see this any other way. I have no problem with Howard and Lesley taking even millions every year as that is their choice. However it is not being fair or honest with the viewers and those who do give the 'widows mite'. 

I would never go public with this information, as I spent 6 months as a volunteer and a further 6 months on a wage that covered my train fare and not much more. So for me to see something that I invested so much of myself into be brought down by either the charity commission or a police investigation would be a personal loss. However after Howard’s email I’d be very surprised if no one else did as it’s not difficult to connect the dots.

You are welcome to contact me with any questions or queries at xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"


BUILDING THE FOUNDATION REPORT

Transcript from Building the Foundation 14th February 2012 with Gordon Pettie and Doug Harris.

Doug – "Gordon, let me just ask you a question, because we say each month and we are very open. We are I think one of only a few channels who are, but tell me Gordon – be honest. Do you manipulate the figures in any way?" [1]

Gordon "Doug! What a question to ask me!"

Doug "Well, I do sit next you in the office." 

Both – Laugh

Gordon "What does that mean?!

I suppose the answer would be yes and no… no…"
 

Doug "Before the phones start ringing even more you had better explain that! "

Gordon "Well, no in the sense that the figures are done every month. We have Elaine who works in the accounts department and she collates all the figures for us. When she’s done them, she sends them to our accountant. The accountant then looks at them and the figures that I use are the figures the accountants use. [2]

But, yes, in the sense that when we show the figures for January, we actually should have a payment going out for the rent £15,000. We didn’t get enough money coming in in January to pay the rent. So the figure you are going to see is an incorrect figure, because we really should say there is another £15,000 of expenditure in January, which we didn’t do.

When I show the figures in a moment, you’ll see we had a surplus in January of £2,000+ and that’s why our target is £12,300, because that means we will have the rent money. Of course in February we then have to raise that again all the money that we need." 


Doug – And that’s the point, because we take it to the end of the month, but Building the Foundation is already using a couple of weeks in, so already got another target to reach.

But it is amazing and even with the slight differences it’s amazing how often the two figures – the income and expenditure, balance. And whatever the expenditure the income is there. I’m always amazed at that – month by month. [3]

Gordon "I am too and we don’t manipulate that. [4] John O’Dell one of our trustees and accountant, he tells me off. He says “well the figures are bound to vary every month, because it just depends on when the income comes in and when the expenditure goes out”. [5]

And that’s why some months like this month we have a slight surplus and maybe next month a slight deficit, but you average out and you come to the end of the financial year and you’re very close. It’s the Lord, it’s the Lord!"
[6]

Doug "Well, we need to move on with the figures."

Gordon "So January time. Let me show you the income that came in and the way that we spent it. Here’s a chart, which just illustrates the income. One-off gifts – those of you who sent cheques in those of you who made donations £20,969. And so many of you now pay monthly by standing order and direct debit a tremendous £53,946.

Those of you who told us that you are taxpayers we were able to ask the government for money back and that came in during January to £8,754. Those of you who go to World pay and paypal and make donations by credit card £48,633 and many of you tonight have been going to the website and paying that way. So that means a total income for this month of £132,302.

So what did we do with the money? How did we spend it? That’s the income figure there - £132,000.
[7] How did we spend the money during the month of January?

Well, our broadcast costs – it costs us a lot of money each month to send it down to a firm called Globecast, who send it up in the sky to a satellite, beam it down into your homes and Sky and Freesat £47,753.
[8]Our personnel costs, our staffing costs, consultant costs and other ancillary costs towards that £41,243. [9] We spent some money on equipment during the month - £10,013.

We spent some money on our property, just continual maintenance and work that needs doing - £8,645. Our administration costs were low this month £7,168 and other expenditure of £14,692, which means that the total you can see there on the screen coming up at £129,514.

For those of you who have already done your sums, you will know what that means for the month – it means that if you just look at this simple chart, which shows two poles coming up. It means our income figure was £132,302, our expenditure was £129,514.
[10] So at the end of January we had a surplus we thank the Lord for of £2,788, but as I’ve already said we didn’t actually pay the rent on this building in January and it would have put us quite close to where we would have had no money in our account and as a charity, we are not allowed to go in the red or have an overdraft. And so our target tonight is that and any surplus that comes in once that rent money has been brought in will go towards the expenditure for February. So Doug, it’s amazing isn’t it, the figures and the people who are giving tonight."








[1] This is a direct and likely scripted question, which misleads viewers into believing they are seeing the full picture.

[2] The figures the account uses are the figures of the Revelation Foundation – not the figures of the channel as these figure do not included income from airtime and advertising sales or the sales of merchandise. This figure I conservatively estimate to be over half a million per year (see my calculations for more details) and goes instead to 21st Century TV Ltd.

[3] The reason for this I suspect is the donations from 21st Century TV are just enough to top up the funds to ensure the foundation can continue to meet it’s expenditure.

[4] If point 3 is true this is blatant deception.

[5] Even the accountant has noted a pattern.

[6] Is it the Lord or manipulation?

[7] Absolutely no reference is made to any income other than viewer donations – this is leaving the viewer with no option than to believe that this is the only income to the station, which is not true.

[8] Revelation Foundation pays for the airtime, but 21st Century TV takes the profit from selling the airtime, but with no liability for the actual real cost of running a 24 hr station. I suspect they pay a wholesale price for each slot they sell, but this is income that should be for the Foundation as charities are allowed to have income other than donations.

[9] 21st Century TV did make a contribution towards the staffing costs for the year of £45,000 for using the channels staff – This would only pay for 1-2 peoples wages and bearing in mind the profits involved 21st Century TV are getting an extremely good deal.

[10] No mention of any other income to the channel via 21st Century TV or any other companies.

FOLLOW UP POSTS:

Howard Conder's deceptive Facebook post which omits the transcript from Building the Foundation above. Emails sent by Sarah Acott and the responses she received from Peter Darg, Gordon Pettie and Alan Tun. Howard Conder has never responded directly to Sarah about her concerns.
http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/alleged-dishonesty-and-deception-at.html 

Gordon Pettie And The Barlow Clowes Fraud:  http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/more-revelations-about-revelation-tv.html 

Wednesday 18 March 2015

revelation tv - howard conder twisted theology and more accusations!

Today Howard Conder continued his verbal abuse and condemnation of the viewers who reported the Revelation Foundation to the Charity Commission. On this occasion Conder together with Hugh Jackman twisted the scriptures out of all proportion in true apostate style:

Revelation TV (RTV) R-Mornings the 16th of March from about 11minutes in.
http://www.revelationtv.com/programmes/episode/r-mornings254213

After bemoaning the lack of funds for RTV's new studios in Spain, Conder made the wild accusation that the reason viewers complained to the Charity Commission was jealousy! He has not considered the possibility that many ex-viewers have genuine issues about the legitimacy of Revelation TV from a biblical perspective. More importantly, neither Conder or Jackman seem to have considered the possibility that their problems with The Charity Commission may be due directly to the hand of God because of the false teachers that RTV constantly airs. The level of willful self-delusion on the part of both men is truly astonishing. Jackman: "Revelation will come through this because this is the design of God...   and I believe the shackles will be set free.... the channel will not be shackled any more....." Hugh Jackman of course has also shipped out his "ministry" to Spain.

Hugh Jackman's problem is with "the people who stirred things up". His insistence that RTV is a work of God is perplexing to put it mildly. Jackman:  "If something is not of God, then why not leave it to God - why attack your brothers in Christ ........ don't you think that God has the power to deal with people who are off target?... It is the world that judges the church..... it is not supposed to the the church."  !!!!!!!  Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.” (1 Corinthians 5/13) Jackman's scriptural ignorance (or perhaps it is desperation) is a disgrace. Should we believe Hugh Jackman over the apostle Paul? Perhaps we should write off Paul's letters to the Corinthians, Galatians etc. which were highly offensive to the flesh. Of course Paul should have just left their errors to God to deal with and kept quiet (NOT). No doubt Jackman thinks that the Old Testament prophets should have kept quiet as well and not warned the people! The Bible tells us that not many should be teachers (James 3/1) and that anyone in authority should rightly handle the word of truth (2 Timothy 2/15). How shameful it is when the word of God is mishandled and manipulated!

According to Jackman, critics of RTV are condemning a work of God! "They have taken the position of a judge. They are God and they are judging. Woe betide the man who takes the position as a judge against something that God has ordained." In other words "judge not". This kind of manipulative language is a common tactic used by cult leaders and their supporters. Conder and his associates clearly regard themselves as having a unique gift and calling that entitles them to unconditional authority. To dispute any of their words or deeds is not distinguished from questioning God Himself. We should never judge the eternal destiny of another person or judge hypocritically. However the Bible clearly tells us to evaluate (Greek krínō = judge) the teaching and lifestyle of other believers. It is particularly needful these days to "test" self-appointed people who set themselves up as leaders of the church (1 John 4/1).

I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.” (1 Corinthians 5/9-13)    

Do not judge according to appearance, but judge righteous judgement. (John 7/24)

Test all things; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil.
(1Thessalonians 5/21-22)

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. (I John 4/1-3)

There are many other scriptures exhorting believers to judge.

Jackman accuses Christians who speak publicly against RTV of "damaging the gospel". "Somebody who is just offended in his/her own life, somebody who has got unforgiveness and bitterness in their own heart..... it ends up being a problem that affects the nation. This is serious stuff. Each and every Christian needs to take responsibility for how he or she behaves before God." This is called blame shifting! The way these people operate is that they want to shut up anyone that speaks the truth and exposes them. Make it personal and put the problem onto the person voicing the concerns, try to discredit them, try to make them doubt their own reasoning and calling, put them on a guilt trip - this is classic cultish behaviour. The problem, as I keep repeating, is the airing of false teachers such as Jesse Duplantis who teach doctrines of demons. These false doctrines are evil and will help no one! Howard Conder and his associates will have to answer to God themselves for giving a platform to false teachers.

Bring on The Gamaliel Principle! "You are opposing a work of God."

Gamaliel: "So in the present case I tell you, keep away from these men and let them alone, for if this plan or this undertaking is of man, it will fail;but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them." (Acts 5/34-38).

Gamaliel was a Pharisee, a member of the Sanhedrin and a non believer. Is Gamaliel's advice to be put above the counsel of Jesus Christ and the apostle Paul? "The potential for spiritual manipulation by appealing to the Gamaliel principle is strong. To use the ultimate trump card of 'fighting against God' to anyone who asks legitimate questions of any movement, could well have echoes of Jim Jones in the treatment of his cult-followers!" 
http://biblicalmissiology.org/2014/02/17/you-might-be-opposing-god-bring-on-the-gamaliel-principle/

Conder and Jackman have made the assumption that it was Christian believers who reported the Revelation Foundation to the Charity Commission. Conder keeps spewing the most vile threats and verbal abuse upon those he imagines reported them; he has particularly targeted the author of Ecalpemos, Gordon Hudson. Actually Gordon Hudson has made a statement on his blog that he did not report them! Just for the record, I did not report the Revelation Foundation to the Charity Commission either. Actually I stopped watching RTV some years ago due to my disgust at the false teachers they broadcast. If The Revelation Foundation's complainants are "anonymous" as Conder keeps repeating, then how does he know who reported them and whether they were Christians or not? RTV is viewed by the general public and is therefore open to criticism from any sector of society - literally anyone could have reported them!

The  accusation that viewers did not follow the "biblical direction" for dealing with issues within the church is completely dishonest. I have addressed this issue in a previous post, but I will reiterate the blocking tactics employed by RTV against people who ask them uncomfortable questions:

If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. (Matthew 18/15-17)

Revelation TV or Church Without Walls as they like to call themselves, totally ignore direct communications from viewers who voice concerns about RTV's ungodly agenda. I emailed RTV several times with my concerns after the upset over Jacob Prasch’s decision not to continue with them - I was completely ignored along with many other viewers! How is the "biblical direction" in Matthew 18 possible when concerned viewers are completely stonewalled? RTV have refused to listen (Matthew 18/17) By their own actions in refusing to be accountable to the Body of Christ, RTV have ostracised themselves and are now in a place where they should be treated as Gentiles or tax collectors. If you do not operate like a church, then you are not a church - you are a cult, and cults are to be avoided. Tax collectors were considered pariahs by the Jews, their company was shunned.

Does Conder follow "biblical direction" when he threatens "payback day" and revenge upon his perceived enemies and calls them "creeps, bullies and demons"? As I have previously pointed out, the proper scriptural procedure is to leave revenge to the Lord (Romans 12/19).

If the Revelation Foundation have broken the law, it is quite in order for anyone to report them to the correct authorities. I believe in normal circumstances within a bona fide church that it would be right for a believer to communicate their concerns to the elders directly before taking any further action. However, these are not normal circumstances and RTV is not a bona fide church. RTV ignore the concerns of their viewers and have made themselves unavailable, thereby making compliance of the scriptural procedure laid out in Matthew 18/15-17 impossible. I should also point out that this is much more than a private dispute between "brothers"; the integrity of the trustees of the Revelation Foundation themselves is in question which makes referral to "elders" impracticable. The trustess of The Revelation Foundation have made themselves accountable to the Charity Commission (a secular regulator) with all the regulations and benefits that involves. The Charity Commission's inquiry has identified regulatory concerns about trustee benefits, conflicts of interest and a "potential significant loss of charitable funds". The Revelation Foundation is not above the law, it is subject to the law of the land just the same as any other organisation or individual.

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God..... (Romans 13/1-7)

Conder and Jackman say that it is wrong to publicly name the names of deceivers - wrong again! They are trying to put the same constraints upon their viewers as if they were a local a congregation of believers. Since  RTV is proveably not run on church principles as demonstrated by their lack of accountability to the Body of Christ, it cannot be called a "church" in any scriptural sense. The definition of "church" (ekklēsía) is an assembly of believers. RTV is not an assembly of believers, it is a TV station claiming to be "Christian" which can be viewed by any person Christian or otherwise. It is correct to warn publicly about those who defame the name of the Lord by airing false teachers and doctrines of demons. Paul publicly rebuked Hymenaeus and Philetus whose teachings “spread like gangrene” (2 Timothy 2/17–18; cf. Galatians 2/11–14). 
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. (Ephesians 5/11)

Howard Conder and his associates do not seem to have grasped the seriousness of their situation before the Lord. Those who teach falsehood are described as ravenous wolves, evil men and seducers who speak perverse things; their fate is the lake of fire (Matthew 7/23, 25/41).

"Yet even now,” declares the Lord,
“return to me with all your heart,
with fasting, with weeping, and with mourning;
and rend your hearts and not your garments.”
Return to the Lord your God,
for he is gracious and merciful,
slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love;
and he relents over disaster.
Who knows whether he will not turn and relent,
and leave a blessing behind him,
a grain offering and a drink offering
for the Lord your God?  (Joel 2/12-14)


http://www.ecalpemos.org/2014/11/revelation-tv-charities-commission.html
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/3johnstudy.html 
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/namingnames.html 

Saturday 7 March 2015

revelation tv - howard conder's vile threats against critics!

Howard Conder, founder of Revelation TV continues to lash out against his critics. An investigation into the Revelation Foundation was launched last year by the Charity Commission after they received a number of complaints that the charity was being used for “private advantage”. In a statement, the regulator said it had scrutinised the Revelation Foundation’s accounts and had identified a number of concerns including “potential significant loss of charitable funds, trustee benefits, conflicts of interest and connected party transactions”. The Charity Commissions investigation into the Revelation Foundation is the most serious form of inquiry available to them. 

VILE THREATS AND TWISTED LOGIC!

In January Conder vilified critics of Revelation TV (RTV) on his Facebook page as "demons, bullies and creeps". He is now attempting to smear critics as anonymous "trolls" and "cyber bullies"!  I must point out however that there is nothing anonymous about those who have expressed their concerns about Revelation TV!!!

Howard Conder R Mornings 6th of March 2015:

 http://www.revelationtv.com/programmes/episode/r-mornings901087
(watch from about 39 minutes into the programme)

"I have got plenty of evidence of that (internet bullies), I have got a paper trail, I have got an email trail; I can point the finger to, and name the people that have said things about us..... It will come to nought...... because if God is behind Revelation TV, which I believe it is, otherwise we wouldn't be here and wouldn't have arrived at this stage....."  In other words, Conder justifies God's approval of RTV by the fact that it exists. This is an illogical argument. The Third Reich existed - were they approved by God?

"There is a day, there is payback day. When all this is over, we will be putting things back out there. We have got the proof, got the names, there are people that have been talking about us...... Gordon Hudson's blog..... by the way Gordon I have got your email, I can see exactly what you are up to and the things you have said about us are untrue and we will be dealing with you, trust me....... There are lots of people who have said they are not involved, you are all involved and I know who you are and this is the thing with trolls, they think they can hide behind and do this"  

Gordon Hudson makes no secret about his identity, either on his blog or on his twitter page!
http://www.ecalpemos.org/2006/10/why-i-decided-to-stop-supporting.html
http://www.ecalpemos.org/2009/04/genesis-tv-and-revelation-tv.html
https://twitter.com/gordonhudsonnu/status/536948685339238401

Howard Conder is misleading people when he claims that the viewers who brought their concerns about Revelation TV to the attention of the Charity Commission did so "anonymously". Those viewers may not be known to RTV, but they are certainly known to the Charity Commission! In fact it is the Charity Commission who keeps complainants identities confidential! The Declaration in Section 4 of the Charity Commissions procedure for Raising a Complaint requires: "your name, postal and email addresses and telephone number and connection (if any) to the charity. Please note that this will be kept confidential". http://www.charitycommissionni.org.uk/our-regulatory-work/concerns-about-charities/submit-a-concern-about-a-charity/

Who does Howard Conder think he is, and how exactly is he going to "deal" with his critics on "payback day"? His outburst sounds like the ravings of a psychotic - I really do wonder whether he is delusional! Even in the unlikely event that Howard Conder's critics are in error, THERE IS NO SCRIPTURAL MANDATE TO TAKE REVENGE:

Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honourable in the sight of all..... Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” (Romans 12:17, 19

Alexander the coppersmith did me great harm; the Lord will repay him according to his deeds. (2 Timothy 4:14) Notice that Paul named Alexander the coppersmith for the harm he had done, but he left "payback day" to the Lord.
 
See also Leviticus 19:18; Deuteronomy 32:35; Psalm 94:1; Proverbs 20:22, 24:29; Hebrews10:30).

To talk in this manner about "payback day", Conder shows at the very least that he has failed as a Christian:

When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints?  .....brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers? To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat (failure) for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? (1 Corinthians 6:1-7) 

But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. (Matthew 15:18 see also Matthew 12:34; 15:11; Mark 7:20; James 3:6) 

It seems fashionable to call anyone a "troll" who cares about the truth and who dares to do something about it. Has Howard Conder heard of Freedom of Expression? Unless RTV's critics have broken the law by making threats or committing slander, they are quite entitled to an opinion! A classic hallmark of spiritual abuse is treating the person who dares to express their concerns as the problem!

Conder talks about "Damage being done, especially to young people." RTV themselves are causing untold spiritual damage, not only to young people but to all their viewers by hosting false teachers and promoting doctrines of demons which will send people to hell e.g. Seventh Day Adventists, Jesse Duplantis, Benny Hinn, Sid Roth, Joyce Meyer etc. etc.

Alan Tun calls people "detractors" who criticise "successful preachers" at about 46 minutes into this programme. Are Tun and Conder telling their viewers not to "test the spirits" as we are exhorted to do in the scriptures? If something is unbiblical, then it is our responsibility to speak out and challenge it. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. (Galatians 5:9) The gift of "distinguishing between spirits" is God given (1 Corinthians 12:10). "Successful ministry" is no guarantee of truth. If a minister really is teaching truth, then his teachings should be able to stand the scriptural test - his/her teachings should compliment, not contradict other scriptures! Conder says that if teachings are not of God they will come to nothing - that may be so eventually, but how much devastation do false teachers do to the body of Christ before this happens? 

Alan Tun: "He (Jesus Christ) did not set his disciples up to teach doctrine, he told them to be lights." I find this statement deeply troubling. 

To downplay biblical doctrine is to downplay the teaching of Jesus Christ - which is to actually downplay Jesus Christ Himself! Jesus prayed that the Father would sanctify believers in THE TRUTH - GOD'S WORD IS TRUTH (John 17:17). JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF ACTUALLY IS THE TRUTH (John 14:6).

Jesus Christ is both the Logos (Word) and the Light (John 1:9) - in other words, the teachings of Jesus Christ (doctrine) and the light are inseparable!     

The unfolding of your words gives light; it imparts understanding to the simple. (Psalm 119:130)

For the commandment is a lamp and the teaching a light, and the reproofs of discipline are the way of life, (Proverbs 6:23)    

Jesus Christ:  “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves." (Matthew 7:15) 

Whoever does not love me does not keep my words (teaching). And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father’s who sent me. (John 14:24) 

So Jesus said to them, “The light is among you for a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, lest darkness overtake you. The one who walks in the darkness does not know where he is going." (John 12:35)   

.....in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. (2 Thessalonians 1:8) 

Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers. (1 Timothy 4:16) 

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, (2 Timothy 4:3)  

Qualifications for elders written by Paul the Apostle (Titus 1:5-16):
.....give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it. (Titus 1:9)

But as for you, teach what accords with sound doctrine.....  ....in your teaching show integrity, dignity, and sound speech that cannot be condemned, (Titus 2:1, 7-8)   

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1) 

See also Matthew 24:11; 2 Timothy 1:13, 3:8; 2 Peter 2:1-22; Galatians 4:17; Acts 20:29.

Friday 9 January 2015

REVELATION TV - HOWARD CONDER'S DELUSIONAL COMPARISON WITH THE PROPHET ELIJAH!

Where did Howard Conder get the ridiculous idea that he was going to be a modern day “Elijah”?  Well, it came from a rather dubious prophecy in 1994 from false prophet Jonathan David. Unfortunately I cannot find the recording of this “prophecy”, but there is some information available on Google. If anyone has any further information about this “prophecy” then please contact me.  Conder himself wrote on his Facebook page recently:

"What comes to mmd is the word God gave me through a prophet way back in 1999. It was from a 14 minute recording and one part of this word it said God would bring a confrontation of TRUTH through my ministry just like Elijah."
30 November 2014 at 22:19

The “Elijah prophecy" was given in 1994 (not 1999) at the ecumenical Cornerstone Christian Centre, Bromley, pastored by Juilan Melfi and Hugh Osgood! Rory Alec, who was also present at that meeting believed that it was addressed to him. Certainly the Alecs' milked it for all it was worth as well. One concerned Revelation TV viewer wrote in 2006: 

"The root of these direction problems are that the Conders do not appear to belong to a church or any other wider group of stable Christians. They have no accountability or oversight from any body of Christians, so they have no one to test their apparent words from God to see if they are true. There have also been questions raised on the Internet (reference) that the Jonathan David prophecy which inspired Howard Conder may have been addressed to Rory Alec who was also apparently at the same service at Cornerstone Christian Centre, Bromley. I am not saying that this is true, it could go either way, but its another issue where spiritual discernment has been lacking somewhere along the way."

27th November 2014:
Howard Conder: "I have been thinking of inviting all those who hate us for any reason and who have written or complained to others about us either as individuals or as a charity (Revelation Foundation) and have voiced their concerns or made their accusations about us directly or via emails and texts they have sent in over the 12 years we have been broadcasting and also to include those who have complained to the Charity Commission and give them all an opportunity to voice their gripes directly to my face which I would also propose we do this `live´on TV .......... I wonder if they would have the guts to do that, I wonder ???
You never know, something good may come out of this and at least we can stop the rot, stop the gossiping, stop the malicious back biting and get on with the important things in Preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ to a perishing world. Souls need to be reached before the awesome and fearsome Day of the Lord . What did Jesus say to his disciples when they said ¨tell those over there to stop them preaching in your name and Christ said... leave them alone, if they are for me then they are not against (paraphrased)
Let me know and I will start to send out invitations. I like it already. Time for a Mount Carmel confrontation."

https://www.facebook.com/howard.conder

A LITTLE MORE ABOUT JONATHAN DAVID

Jonathan David has a church in Malaysia and is part of the new apostolic movement that can be loosely defined as the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). Jonathan David is a cult leader whose teachings are based on dominion, word-faith, NAR prosperity and title; he is a proven false prophet! ANPCM (Apostolic Network of Prophetic Churches and Ministries) joined Jonathan David in 1991 and tithe to his ISAAC ministry. Jonathan David's followers call him "papa" and his wife Helen "mum". Jonathan David calls himself an "apostle" and he issues dictatorial "Thus Saith the Lord" prophecies. These modern "apostles" claim to have the same status as the early church apostles and teach that their prophetic words are equal to and even superior to scripture!

Dr (doctor of what no one seems to know) Jonathan David's self description  - "A global apostolic leader and the senior pastor of All Nations Sanctuary, Muar, Malaysia. He is the founder & presiding apostle of ISAAC (International Strategic Alliance of Apostolic Churches), a network of apostolic churches throughout the globe."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2i7YFC-dtE

"Dr. Jonathan David is one of the pioneers of the Prophetic Movement in the earth. His accurate (!!!) prophetic ministry with a unique teaching mantle provides the cutting edge to reach the nations of the world."
http://www.jonathan-david.org/about/
 
JONATHAN DAVID'S FALSE PROPHECY OVER AFRICA FOR 2013




Paraphrase: God is sending fresh water to Africa - cities will be taken - God is going to remove corruption and wickedness; corrupt men in high places in Africa are going to come down  !!!! This blatantly did not happen. Corrupt men were not removed and corruption is just as rampant in Africa as it ever was - in fact, since 2013 corruption is reported to be getting worse.

"In 2013 president Bozize left the country after Islamist rebels of took the capital. The leader of  Seleka, the rebel group, Michel Djotodia called himself the president of the Central African Republic. In Djotodias tenure the Seleka terrorized Christians. On January 10, 2014 Djotodia stepped down. Since January 20, 2014 Catherine Samba-Panza is the president of the Central African Republic. http://www.conservapedia.com/Central_African_Republic

"Egypt ----After Mubarak has gone the Muslim Brotherhood was elected. The president was the Islamist Mohammed Morsi. The people protested against his dictatorship and on July 3, 2013 the military took power in Egypt and set Morsi down. Since then Adly Mansour is the president.

Since Uhuru Kenyatta came to power in 2013:
"Corruption is costing Kenyans their lives – no one is safe." http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/09/corruption-kenyans-fraud

Further links:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23231318 - rampant corruption getting worse

'Peace, peace,' when there is no peace.

They have healed the wound of my people lightly, saying, ‘Peace, peace,’ when there is no peace. (Jeremiah 8/11)

And the LORD said to me: “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I did not send them, nor did I command them or speak to them. They are prophesying to you a lying vision, worthless divination, and the deceit of their own minds." (Jeremiah 14/14) 

Therefore thus says the Lord God: “Because you have uttered falsehood and seen lying visions, therefore behold, I am against you, declares the Lord God. (Ezekiel 13/8) 

Here is a true "Thus Saith the Lord" prophecy which indicates that things will actually get worse, not better:  

See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are but the beginning of the birth pains.
“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name’s sake. And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. (Matthew 24/4-14) 

Jonathan David's Involvement with Noah Musingku aka “King David Peii II”
 
Jonathan David prophesied over fraudster Noah Musingku aka “King David Peii II” the self-proclaimed "king" of the Twin Kingdoms of Papaala and Me’ekamui on Bougainville Island in the North Solomon Islands. This subject is a whole mess in itself worthy of a separate article, but briefly, Noah Musingku is widely disparaged by foreign press as being a con-man. Musingku who claims to be a Pentecostal Christian, operates from a jungle stronghold in southern Bougainville. He scammed thousands of people across the Pacific out of millions of dollars with his U-Vistract pyramid scheme which was created as a Christian Mission. In 2009 Musingku promised duped investors he would pay them in his own currency printed with pictures of himself and Jesus Christ, but this came to nothing. Musingku has compared his life and mission to that of Biblical "saviours" Noah, Moses and Jesus Christ.

Payout Prophesied by Doctor Jonathan David
By Michael Jagui

"The vast monetary and Kingdom government expansion activities of the U-V system, through-out the world has already been foretold by modern day prophets of God. The forthcoming payout was noised abroad in international media, but the Papua New Guinea media maintains it's silence, due to the black-ban placed on U-Vistract after its operations of the late 1990s. It attracted lot of flack, criticisms and even a court ruling declaring its operations illegal at that time. Despite this, God has not let it up as a passing event, but has announced through his prophets of the abundant wealth and resources it is going to bring to nations, Kingdoms, organizations and individuals around the world. World renowned prophet of the modern era, Doctor Jonathan David, of Malaysia foresaw and accounted in his "Prophetic Word for 2003-2004" (some notes he issues every year) that "There will be supernatural release of Wealth and Kingdom resources to advance the Kingdom Government' on earth. Few years earlier, at one of his conferences in 1999 in Malaysia, Doctor David, looked at the youthful Founder/Principal Director of the U-Vistract systems, Noah Musingku ( HM King Peii II), and prophesied directly to him that he was going to go through "hell on earth" to achieve what he was pioneering at that time. The Lord told Doctor David that, Noah, the present day, HM King Peii II, will experience many problems including threats, betrayals, intimidations, search and arrest warrants, court cases and even imprisonments for the sake of the U-Vistract activities. The prophet feared for his life and asked him what he was doing and whether he was able to complete it. HM King Peii II replied boldly that he was able to accomplish the task through the grace of God ­ and the trial payout which is the tip of the iceberg of greater abundance and wealth yet to be released, is the result of his bold confession and stand. The devil who was trying to stop the floodgates of abundance from opening upon God's people ­ has virtually given up trying, conceding defeat. Today, HM King Peii II stands tall as a powerful monetary Price and King in his own right, a vessel of God used to bring abundance and blessing to the whole earth. The 24 International Banks developed for operations under the U-Vistract system are ready and have started negotiating deals and covenants with nations, corporations and individuals around the world to lend and grant large sums of money in proportions they have never seen, heard of or handled in their lives. First beneficiaries with huge allocations in U-Vistracts first budget starting July this year, are nations where U-V governments and Chief Governors were appointed including United Kingdom (GBP25 billion), Fiji (FID35 billion), Solomon Islands (SBD70 billion), and Papua New Guinea (PNGK100 billion). With proper planning and stringent control in the use of these funds, the mentioned nations have potential to become modern metropolitan wonders ­ the start of the prophesied abundance and prosperity on the earth. Doctor David concluded his prophecy saying that God is releasing his Spirit of favor upon the righteous to rise with an entrepreneurial spirit and powerful wisdom to venture into the market place discovering new products, inventions, ideas and operation systems with cutting edge advantage in business competition, all the while increasing, multiplying and accelerating. U-Vistract with its investment skills and acquired abundant wealth ready for distribution is a powerful testimony and fulfillment of this prophecy, unmatched by any other organizations in the world. God showed Doctor David that from year 2003-2004 onwards Christians with Gods agenda and mandate for Kingdom advancement will acquire large properties, vast acres of land, numerous houses and abundant cash, to in turn use and distribute it to open up opportunities and bless others to come into their inheritance.
This is the start of what the Bible says about the righteous inheriting the whole earth including all the land, the gold, silver and cattle on a thousand hills. This is not a man's doing but God's and all the Glory and honour must go to God alone forever. pc
Honesty and truthfulness shall prevail, while liars and cheats are in danger, not only of a quick death but also of eternal destruction. pc"

Papala Chronicles Issue 14
"Department News"
Week Ending 16th September 2005
See also:
http://www.bougainville-copper.eu/noah-musingku.html

The 2010 youtube video below demonstrates Jonathan David putting himself in the place of Jesus Christ as mediator and administrator of the new "transfer of the spirit/transfer of grace" for his audience to carry it back to their churches and their nations. We must question whether a NEW "transfer of the Spirit" is mentioned anywhere in the scriptures. When we were born again we received the Holy Spirit who will lead us into all truth, so why would Christians need a NEW "transfer of the spirit"?  

His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, (2 Peter 1/3) 

Jonathan David: "You must devise a strategy to take them out - to bring them into their place of rest and inheritance ... nothing is going to hold God's people any more........we will deliver them........  it is time to receive tonight the power to deliver....."  

Far from devising any new strategy, God Himself has given us many verses to show us how to become effective and mature in our faith. 

For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. (2 Peter 1/5-7)




Howard Conder's spiritual discernment does come into grave doubt when we consider that he has taken on board a personal prophecy from a man like Jonathan David. Frankly the self-aggrandisement necessary to view oneself a modern day Elijah is particularly ironic considering Conder's willingness to facilitate proven false teachers like Jesse Duplantis!

For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned. (Romans 12/3)

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 John 4/1)

Gordon Pettie And The Barlow Clowes Fraud:  http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/more-revelations-about-revelation-tv.html 


Dear Reader – Do you have questions about Jesus Christ and how to be truly saved? If so, then please read my post: GOD'S PLAN OF SALVATION THROUGH JESUS CHRIST
http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/gods-plan-of-salvation-through-jesus.html


Tuesday 6 January 2015

revelation tv - howard conder's verbal abuse against critics "demons, bullies and creeps"!!!

The way Howard Conder, founder of Revelation TV, writes about his opponents really is very nasty.  He refuses to address the real problem i.e. FALSE TEACHERS, and has resorted to name calling and abusive comments against his critics. These comments do not befit a true man of God.

The Foundation behind Revelation TV is currently under investigation by the Charity Commission for alleged Misuse of Funds - specifically that it is being used for private gain.
http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/revelation-tv-apostasy-and-occult-logo.html
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-charity-investigation-revelation-foundation

Picking up a couple of points from Howard Conder’s Facebook page:

4th December 2014

Howard Conder: “Here we go again... trust me, I have enough evidence of just how much some folk (or rather demons) hate Revelation TV.”

COMMENTS from Julian ???? a viewer of Revelation TV.  (See the link)
https://www.facebook.com/howard.conder/posts/393707730794127

Howard Conder: “Thank you Julian for not bowing to the demands of these bully boys. I wonder how many more people did these creeps write to ???”  Howard Conder is referring primariliy to Neville Stephens announcement/appeal for viewers to protest to RTV and withdraw their funding to them. 

30th November 2014

Howard Conder:  "what comes to mmd is the word God gave me through a prophet way back in 1999. It was from a 14 minute recording and one part of this word it said God would bring a confrontation of TRUTH through my ministry just like Elijah."
30 November 2014 at 22:19

Howard Conder: "You know what the proper scriptural procedure are is that such people should be brought together and those whom they accuse or find fault with, bring the matter before the elders who will weigh all matters and make a judgement. I am open to do this but will they ???"
30 November 2014 at 19:01 

27th November 2014

Howard Conder: "I have been thinking of inviting all those who hate us for any reason and who have written or complained to others about us either as individuals or as a charity (Revelation Foundation) and have voiced their concerns or made their accusations about us directly or via emails and texts they have sent in over the 12 years we have been broadcasting and also to include those who have complained to the Charity Commission and give them all an opportunity to voice their gripes directly to my face which I would also propose we do this `live´on TV .......... I wonder if they would have the guts to do that, I wonder ??? 
You never know, something good may come out of this and at least we can stop the rot, stop the gossiping, stop the malicious back biting and get on with the important things in Preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ to a perishing world. Souls need to be reached before the awesome and fearsome Day of the Lord . What did Jesus say to his disciples when they said ¨tell those over there to stop them preaching in your name and Christ said... leave them alone, if they are for me then they are not against (paraphrased)
Let me know and I will start to send out invitations. I like it already. Time for a Mount Carmel confrontation.
"


RESPONSE

There are many people who have written or complained directly to RTV who would welcome an opportunity to voice their concerns "live on TV" and certainly "have the guts" to do so. Revelation TV are well known for totally ignoring direct communications from viewers expressing concerns about RTV's ungodly agenda. I emailed RTV several times with my concerns after the upset over Jacob Prasch’s decision not to continue with them - I was completely ignored! How is "the proper scriptural procedure" (Matthew 18/15-17) possible in these circumstances?  If RTV cannot even respond to direct questions and concerns from individuals, then it is extremely unlikely that they will be able to defend the indefensible "live on TV" i.e. the blatant false teachers they broadcast like Jesse Duplantis etc. If Conder wants a Mount Carmel Elijah style confrontation then he would need to be a true man of God like Elijah, and not a man who gives a platform to false teachers! Conder is completely delusional if he equates his ministry with that of the prophet Elijah!

Howard Conder talks about preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ to a perishing world. That would be the true gospel, not the rubbish promulgated by Duplantis, Sid Roth, Pat Robertson (The 700 Club) etc. which is no gospel at all! The REAL problem at RTV is the introduction of more and more FALSE TEACHERS. True Bible teachers have withdrawn from Revelation TV for very good reasons. The false teachers appearing on RTV promote doctrines of demons, but perversely Howard Conder has called true Bible teachers “demons, bullies and creeps”. 
 
Howard Conder also calls his critics "gossipers and liars" on Twitter: "God is in control and I am thrilled at how He is drawing out the gossipers and liars... Proof of their schemes are being revealed. Exciting."  https://twitter.com/HowardRTV/status/532642507352723456    

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! (Isaiah 5/20) 

The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is healthy, your whole body will be full of light, but if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness! No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.(Matthew 6/23-24)

If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. (1 John 1/16) 

Address the real problem Howard Conder and stop attacking true men of God!




UPDATE: The above links relating to Howard Conder's Facebook page are no longer available - I assume he has taken them down due to this article. The links have been copied and saved on my computer as a precaution!

Saturday 3 January 2015

Revelation TV Alleged Misuse of Funds and False Teaching - Updated

Revelation TV (RTV) is Britain’s first televangelist station which is facing investigation into misuse of funds according to The Independent. Following complaints from viewers, The Charity Commission opened a statutory investigation on September the 8th into the Revelation Foundation over claims that the charity is being used for private gain. A statutory investigation is the most serious form of inquiry available to the Charity Commission. In a statement, the regulator said it had scrutinised the Revelation Foundation’s accounts and had identified a number of concerns including “potential significant loss of charitable funds, trustee benefits, conflicts of interest and connected party transactions." On their website the Charity Commission say that they are unlikely to act on complaints without evidence of concerns: “We will not act on unsubstantiated allegations, rumour or opinion…..” http://forms.charitycommission.gov.uk/detailed-guidance/protecting-your-charity/complaints-about-charities-cc47/.” It will be very interesting for those people who have previously donated money to RTV to see the results of this inquiry.

Revelation TV was launched in 2003 by husband and wife Howard and Lesley Conder. Since that time RTV has been censured five times by the regulator between 2004 and 2009. Among the upheld complaints were the use of offensive language to describe homosexuals and the use of graphic images of aborted foetuses in an item aired before a children’s programme. I cannot comment on these complaints because I did not see the “offending” programmes. Very conveniently, RTV moved outside Ofcom’s jurisdiction in 2010 and is now licensed in Spain, although it still has a studio in Surbiton, Surrey. It is currently regulated by the Audiovisual Council of Andalucia although it continues to be broadcast in Britain.

CONTROVERSY ABOUT REVELATION TV HAS NOT BEEN LIMITED TO THE SECULAR WORLD BY ANY MEANS!

RTV has also been the subject of much consternation amongst a number of Bible believing Christians for some time. According to a statement on its website, the Revelation Foundation’s trustees “are all committed Bible-believing Christians with a vision for proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ through television and other electronic media.” I would take issue with this statement for the following reasons:

REVELATION TV AND ROMAN CATHOLICISM

RTV’S OUTRAGEOUS PROPOSAL: It is acceptable for Christians to attend a local Roman Catholic Church!

Alan Franklin: “Revelation TV needs more revelation on sound doctrine – and Reachout Trust needs to be more discerning when broadcasting.”

“Doug Harris, who ran a discernment ministry, failed to explain, when broadcasting on Revelation TV, that Catholicism is the world’s largest pseudo-Christian cult. Here’s what Doug said on TV in answer to this question: ‘Is it okay for a born again Christian to worship in a Catholic Church if it's the only church local and no transport?’ The answer shocked many viewers.

Doug Harris, who has since died, answered: ‘Yes.’ Howard Conder: ‘Thank you.’ The conversation continued: Doug: 'I think it is this idea of feeling that we, as Protestants, we are all against Catholics; we are not. I 've met many people that I've witnessed to, that they are Christians as we've talked and only afterwards they told me they are Catholics. We do have to be careful - does the Catholic Church sometimes do things that we would may be feel are extra biblical and that? - Yes.

I can understand why people have question marks, but in the end if it's the only place around, if there's nowhere else to go, maybe you should go and get fellowship there. In the end you really have to be led by the Holy Spirit: what we say isn't God's Word to you, we pass our opinions.

If you are comfortable in the Holy Spirit doing that, fine. Be aware, there might be some things that you would totally disagree with from the biblical point of view but at the same time maybe you just need that fellowship and you need that encouragement, you need that place where you need to be with other people.’ End of transcript.”
 http://www.thefreepressonline.co.uk/news/1/2297.htm

In their series “Great Souls”, RTV featured the life and works of Roman Catholic nun Mother Teresa. Mother Teresa was well known for her supposed "good works” but she was not a born again Christian. http://www.revelationtv.com/programmes/episode/great-souls---mother-teresa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idh2Gz3oJ9g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfivxyasp1g

REVELATION TV’S VALIDATION OF FALSE TEACHERS/PROPHETS

RTV have facilitated many so called “ministries” which are apostate by giving air time to people such as proven false prophet and necromancer Benny Hinn, Jesse Duplantis, Andrew Wommack, Joyce Myer, Exploits TV (Christine Darg), The 700 Club, Covenant Christian Centre (Word-faith teacher Poju Oyemade), the deadly Derek Prince (of Curses and Blessings fame) and Sid Roth “It’s Supernatural” to name but a few.
Left to to Right:  Duplantis, Hinn and Hagee

RTV regularly broadcasts adulterer John Hagee. Hagee has bowed to Rome and seeks "greater unity among Catholics and evangelicals". Hagee also denies that Jesus Christ is the Messiah of Israel! For all their talk about the sin of homosexuality, no one at RTV says anything about Hagee's betrayal of the gospel or his adulterous marriage! I am not defending the sin of homosexuality, but I should point out that the Bible condemns adulterers just as much as it does homosexuals:

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality…..(1 Corinthians 6/9, see also Mark 10/11)

RTV are “in conversation” with Seventh Day Adventists and they have previously aired Roman Catholics. They promote the controversial Alpha Course and I notice that they have recently validated the false ministry of recently deceased money preacher Myles Munroe. RTV also validates ecumenical wolf in sheep’s clothing Billy Graham. It is precisely this kind of hypocrisy that has ruined the Christian witness of RTV for many ex-viewers and supporters.

In contrast RTV’s treatment of true Bible teachers is abominable. In 2010 Lesley Conder had the audacity to publicly “rebuke” Justin Peters following his correct expose of false teachers in an interview with Doug Harris on Genesis TV’s “Live @ Nine” Programme. RTV actually took this programme off air while broadcasting. https://archive.org/details/RevelationTvsLesleyCondorRebukesJustinPeters 11thFebruary2010?start=59.5

Three years ago Howard Conder decided to air false teacher Jesse Duplantis despite many protests from viewers. One of Jesse Duplantis’ ridiculous stories is that he claims to have ascended to heaven in a cable car! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAQuIyobjFc Viewers complaints about the airing of Duplantis were completely ignored and overruled. As a result of their preference for false teachers, RTV lost a number of first class Bible teachers who have refused appear on Revelation TV whilst they aired Duplantis. At that point in time I decided that Howard Conder and his cronies were more interested in the £ than the truth.

RTV’s money raising tactics have raised some eyebrows in that until recently they dedicated hours and hours of air time unrelentingly to raising money on their programme “Building the Foundation”. Apart from warnings about keeping money in the right perspective, there is very little said about it at all in the New Testament (Hebrews 13/5, 1 Timothy 6/10, 2 Timothy 2/1-2 etc). This constant touting for money from the so called "Christian" TV channels is quite frankly very manipulative and abusive - in many cases they are building their own kingdoms rather than the kingdom of God. Gordon Pettie, Chairman of the Revelation Foundation:  ".....we're not in the business to make money, but to teach the Gospel." Which Gospel might that be precisely?

FOOD FOR THOUGHT

Revelation TV used to play this advert: “Do you know that broadcasting your programme on Revelation TV, may not cost as much as you think? For as little as £250 for a 28 minute programme, you can get your church or your business on TV. We also provide all your production needs including studio-hire, everything you need to get your message out to the public. For further details call 0207 631 4446 or 0790 363 6342.”

About 6 years ago, Howard and Lesley Conder/Gordon and Lorna Pettie announced on their fundraising programme, Building The Foundation, that they were not going to take any further salaries from Revelation TV. They said that they earned their living by other means and could afford to do that (this announcement was repeated once or twice a year). I heard Lesley Conder say on another occasion when she was questioned that their salaries came from advertising.

Howard and Lesley Conder own a private TV company called 21st Century Television Ltd which sells Revelation TV’s airtime. Please download the Revelation TV Programme-Guide from the Revelation TV website to see how many non-Revelation TV programmes there are. It comes to about 60 hours per week. Making a conservative guesstimate on the assumption that everyone purchasing air time pays the lowest rate (£250 for 28mins = £500 per hour) 60 x £500 = £30,000 per week =

£1,560,000 per year......... 

These monies have NOT appeared on the INCOME/EXPENDITURE pie charts presented by Gordon Pettie. I think this is very misleading to viewers who are under the impression that Revelation TV are desperately in need of donations. 



http://www.revelationtv.com/programmes/episode/the-qa-show720984
Watch at about 17minutes in for Gordon Pettie's presention of this financial information.

"I myself became suspicious when their yearly financial report showed huge salaries being given to the founders children, and the founder switching large sums of money between another private company they had and revelation TV."
http://vesselanaw.wordpress.com/2015/01/03/revelation-tv-investigated-for-misuse-of-funds-tim-vince-left/

QUESTION: Why has Tim Vince who became part of RTV's leadership team in August 2013 recently left RTV without any announcement or explanation whatsoever after years of involvement? 

If the above is not enough, I do have a further issue with RTV. I find it very odd indeed that the logo for Revelation TV contains so many sixes and occult symbols!

The letter "R" is the 18th letter of the English alphabet; 18 is critically important to occultists because it is 6+6+6. The encasement of a symbol within in a circle is also an occult practice.

There are twelve (6 x 2) five pointed stars surrounding the letter R .....  12 x 5 = 60. Now look at the bottom left of the picture opposite and you find yet another 6!

The five pointed star, also known as the pentagram is probably the most blatant occult symbol in use today. The pentagram is also a prominent symbol in Freemasonry.

The inverted pentacle is often associated with the Church of Satan or the Devil, The two lower points pointing upward are said to represent the horns of Horned God Cernunnos (the Celtic pagan god). There are at least seven inverted pentacles floating around the RTV logo that I can make out…… this is quite incomprehensible for a so called “Christian” TV station!

The occult symbolism associated with the RTV Logo is on the background of the Union Jack flag. Watch this three minute video by watchman4wales: 666 Matrix - Antichrist and the Union Jack http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsohF5cyUSY    

UPDATE

Revelation TV's attempt to block the Charity Commission's investigation by calling for an internal review has failed:

"Decision made by the Charity Commission on 9 December 2014
The Commission opened a statutory inquiry into the Charity using its powers under s.46 of the Charities Act 2011.
The Charity sought a decision review on the basis that it objected to the opening of the inquiry and therefore the Commission conducted a review under its review procedures.
The Reviewers considered the objections as well as further information submitted with the request for a review and concluded that the decision to open the inquiry was a reasonable, proportionate and lawful decision, properly taken.
The Reviewers also concluded that were a decision to be made to open the inquiry at the date of the decision review, the grounds and evidence continued to support such a decision."
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/revelation-foundation/revelation-foundation-charity-commission-decision

FOLLOW UP POSTS:

The Saul Syndrome - Howard Conder's Wilful Rebellion Against God: http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/the-saul-syndrome-howard-conders.html
Charity Commission To Appoint Interim Manager: http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/revelation-tv-howard-conder-says.h
Howard Conder's Token Apology: http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/howard-conder-revelation-tv-apology-for.html
Gordon Pettie And The Barlow Clowes Fraud: http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/more-revelations-about-revelation-tv.html
Sarah Acott Blows The Whistle: http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/alleged-dishonesty-and-deception-are.html
Howard Conder's Delusional Comparison With The Prophet Elijah!
http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/revelation-tv-howard-conders-delusional.html
Howard Conder's Vile Threats Against His Critics: http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/revelation-tv-howard-conder-breathes.html
Howard Conder's Twisted Theology And More Accusations: http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/revelation-tv-howard-conder-twisted.html



Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 John 4/1)

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