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Friday, 9 January 2015

REVELATION TV - HOWARD CONDER'S DELUSIONAL COMPARISON WITH THE PROPHET ELIJAH!

Where did Howard Conder get the ridiculous idea that he was going to be a modern day “Elijah”?  Well, it came from a rather dubious prophecy in 1994 from false prophet Jonathan David. Unfortunately I cannot find the recording of this “prophecy”, but there is some information available on Google. If anyone has any further information about this “prophecy” then please contact me.  Conder himself wrote on his Facebook page recently:

"What comes to mmd is the word God gave me through a prophet way back in 1999. It was from a 14 minute recording and one part of this word it said God would bring a confrontation of TRUTH through my ministry just like Elijah."
30 November 2014 at 22:19

The “Elijah prophecy" was given in 1994 (not 1999) at the ecumenical Cornerstone Christian Centre, Bromley, pastored by Juilan Melfi and Hugh Osgood! Rory Alec, who was also present at that meeting believed that it was addressed to him. Certainly the Alecs' milked it for all it was worth as well. One concerned Revelation TV viewer wrote in 2006: 

"The root of these direction problems are that the Conders do not appear to belong to a church or any other wider group of stable Christians. They have no accountability or oversight from any body of Christians, so they have no one to test their apparent words from God to see if they are true. There have also been questions raised on the Internet (reference) that the Jonathan David prophecy which inspired Howard Conder may have been addressed to Rory Alec who was also apparently at the same service at Cornerstone Christian Centre, Bromley. I am not saying that this is true, it could go either way, but its another issue where spiritual discernment has been lacking somewhere along the way."

27th November 2014:
Howard Conder: "I have been thinking of inviting all those who hate us for any reason and who have written or complained to others about us either as individuals or as a charity (Revelation Foundation) and have voiced their concerns or made their accusations about us directly or via emails and texts they have sent in over the 12 years we have been broadcasting and also to include those who have complained to the Charity Commission and give them all an opportunity to voice their gripes directly to my face which I would also propose we do this `live´on TV .......... I wonder if they would have the guts to do that, I wonder ???
You never know, something good may come out of this and at least we can stop the rot, stop the gossiping, stop the malicious back biting and get on with the important things in Preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ to a perishing world. Souls need to be reached before the awesome and fearsome Day of the Lord . What did Jesus say to his disciples when they said ¨tell those over there to stop them preaching in your name and Christ said... leave them alone, if they are for me then they are not against (paraphrased)
Let me know and I will start to send out invitations. I like it already. Time for a Mount Carmel confrontation."

https://www.facebook.com/howard.conder

A LITTLE MORE ABOUT JONATHAN DAVID

Jonathan David has a church in Malaysia and is part of the new apostolic movement that can be loosely defined as the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). Jonathan David is a cult leader whose teachings are based on dominion, word-faith, NAR prosperity and title; he is a proven false prophet! ANPCM (Apostolic Network of Prophetic Churches and Ministries) joined Jonathan David in 1991 and tithe to his ISAAC ministry. Jonathan David's followers call him "papa" and his wife Helen "mum". Jonathan David calls himself an "apostle" and he issues dictatorial "Thus Saith the Lord" prophecies. These modern "apostles" claim to have the same status as the early church apostles and teach that their prophetic words are equal to and even superior to scripture!

Dr (doctor of what no one seems to know) Jonathan David's self description  - "A global apostolic leader and the senior pastor of All Nations Sanctuary, Muar, Malaysia. He is the founder & presiding apostle of ISAAC (International Strategic Alliance of Apostolic Churches), a network of apostolic churches throughout the globe."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2i7YFC-dtE

"Dr. Jonathan David is one of the pioneers of the Prophetic Movement in the earth. His accurate (!!!) prophetic ministry with a unique teaching mantle provides the cutting edge to reach the nations of the world."
http://www.jonathan-david.org/about/
 
JONATHAN DAVID'S FALSE PROPHECY OVER AFRICA FOR 2013




Paraphrase: God is sending fresh water to Africa - cities will be taken - God is going to remove corruption and wickedness; corrupt men in high places in Africa are going to come down  !!!! This blatantly did not happen. Corrupt men were not removed and corruption is just as rampant in Africa as it ever was - in fact, since 2013 corruption is reported to be getting worse.

"In 2013 president Bozize left the country after Islamist rebels of took the capital. The leader of  Seleka, the rebel group, Michel Djotodia called himself the president of the Central African Republic. In Djotodias tenure the Seleka terrorized Christians. On January 10, 2014 Djotodia stepped down. Since January 20, 2014 Catherine Samba-Panza is the president of the Central African Republic. http://www.conservapedia.com/Central_African_Republic

"Egypt ----After Mubarak has gone the Muslim Brotherhood was elected. The president was the Islamist Mohammed Morsi. The people protested against his dictatorship and on July 3, 2013 the military took power in Egypt and set Morsi down. Since then Adly Mansour is the president.

Since Uhuru Kenyatta came to power in 2013:
"Corruption is costing Kenyans their lives – no one is safe." http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/09/corruption-kenyans-fraud

Further links:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23231318 - rampant corruption getting worse

'Peace, peace,' when there is no peace.

They have healed the wound of my people lightly, saying, ‘Peace, peace,’ when there is no peace. (Jeremiah 8/11)

And the LORD said to me: “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I did not send them, nor did I command them or speak to them. They are prophesying to you a lying vision, worthless divination, and the deceit of their own minds." (Jeremiah 14/14) 

Therefore thus says the Lord God: “Because you have uttered falsehood and seen lying visions, therefore behold, I am against you, declares the Lord God. (Ezekiel 13/8) 

Here is a true "Thus Saith the Lord" prophecy which indicates that things will actually get worse, not better:  

See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are but the beginning of the birth pains.
“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name’s sake. And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. (Matthew 24/4-14) 

Jonathan David's Involvement with Noah Musingku aka “King David Peii II”
 
Jonathan David prophesied over fraudster Noah Musingku aka “King David Peii II” the self-proclaimed "king" of the Twin Kingdoms of Papaala and Me’ekamui on Bougainville Island in the North Solomon Islands. This subject is a whole mess in itself worthy of a separate article, but briefly, Noah Musingku is widely disparaged by foreign press as being a con-man. Musingku who claims to be a Pentecostal Christian, operates from a jungle stronghold in southern Bougainville. He scammed thousands of people across the Pacific out of millions of dollars with his U-Vistract pyramid scheme which was created as a Christian Mission. In 2009 Musingku promised duped investors he would pay them in his own currency printed with pictures of himself and Jesus Christ, but this came to nothing. Musingku has compared his life and mission to that of Biblical "saviours" Noah, Moses and Jesus Christ.

Payout Prophesied by Doctor Jonathan David
By Michael Jagui

"The vast monetary and Kingdom government expansion activities of the U-V system, through-out the world has already been foretold by modern day prophets of God. The forthcoming payout was noised abroad in international media, but the Papua New Guinea media maintains it's silence, due to the black-ban placed on U-Vistract after its operations of the late 1990s. It attracted lot of flack, criticisms and even a court ruling declaring its operations illegal at that time. Despite this, God has not let it up as a passing event, but has announced through his prophets of the abundant wealth and resources it is going to bring to nations, Kingdoms, organizations and individuals around the world. World renowned prophet of the modern era, Doctor Jonathan David, of Malaysia foresaw and accounted in his "Prophetic Word for 2003-2004" (some notes he issues every year) that "There will be supernatural release of Wealth and Kingdom resources to advance the Kingdom Government' on earth. Few years earlier, at one of his conferences in 1999 in Malaysia, Doctor David, looked at the youthful Founder/Principal Director of the U-Vistract systems, Noah Musingku ( HM King Peii II), and prophesied directly to him that he was going to go through "hell on earth" to achieve what he was pioneering at that time. The Lord told Doctor David that, Noah, the present day, HM King Peii II, will experience many problems including threats, betrayals, intimidations, search and arrest warrants, court cases and even imprisonments for the sake of the U-Vistract activities. The prophet feared for his life and asked him what he was doing and whether he was able to complete it. HM King Peii II replied boldly that he was able to accomplish the task through the grace of God ­ and the trial payout which is the tip of the iceberg of greater abundance and wealth yet to be released, is the result of his bold confession and stand. The devil who was trying to stop the floodgates of abundance from opening upon God's people ­ has virtually given up trying, conceding defeat. Today, HM King Peii II stands tall as a powerful monetary Price and King in his own right, a vessel of God used to bring abundance and blessing to the whole earth. The 24 International Banks developed for operations under the U-Vistract system are ready and have started negotiating deals and covenants with nations, corporations and individuals around the world to lend and grant large sums of money in proportions they have never seen, heard of or handled in their lives. First beneficiaries with huge allocations in U-Vistracts first budget starting July this year, are nations where U-V governments and Chief Governors were appointed including United Kingdom (GBP25 billion), Fiji (FID35 billion), Solomon Islands (SBD70 billion), and Papua New Guinea (PNGK100 billion). With proper planning and stringent control in the use of these funds, the mentioned nations have potential to become modern metropolitan wonders ­ the start of the prophesied abundance and prosperity on the earth. Doctor David concluded his prophecy saying that God is releasing his Spirit of favor upon the righteous to rise with an entrepreneurial spirit and powerful wisdom to venture into the market place discovering new products, inventions, ideas and operation systems with cutting edge advantage in business competition, all the while increasing, multiplying and accelerating. U-Vistract with its investment skills and acquired abundant wealth ready for distribution is a powerful testimony and fulfillment of this prophecy, unmatched by any other organizations in the world. God showed Doctor David that from year 2003-2004 onwards Christians with Gods agenda and mandate for Kingdom advancement will acquire large properties, vast acres of land, numerous houses and abundant cash, to in turn use and distribute it to open up opportunities and bless others to come into their inheritance.
This is the start of what the Bible says about the righteous inheriting the whole earth including all the land, the gold, silver and cattle on a thousand hills. This is not a man's doing but God's and all the Glory and honour must go to God alone forever. pc
Honesty and truthfulness shall prevail, while liars and cheats are in danger, not only of a quick death but also of eternal destruction. pc"

Papala Chronicles Issue 14
"Department News"
Week Ending 16th September 2005
See also:
http://www.bougainville-copper.eu/noah-musingku.html

The 2010 youtube video below demonstrates Jonathan David putting himself in the place of Jesus Christ as mediator and administrator of the new "transfer of the spirit/transfer of grace" for his audience to carry it back to their churches and their nations. We must question whether a NEW "transfer of the Spirit" is mentioned anywhere in the scriptures. When we were born again we received the Holy Spirit who will lead us into all truth, so why would Christians need a NEW "transfer of the spirit"?  

His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, (2 Peter 1/3) 

Jonathan David: "You must devise a strategy to take them out - to bring them into their place of rest and inheritance ... nothing is going to hold God's people any more........we will deliver them........  it is time to receive tonight the power to deliver....."  

Far from devising any new strategy, God Himself has given us many verses to show us how to become effective and mature in our faith. 

For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. (2 Peter 1/5-7)




Howard Conder's spiritual discernment does come into grave doubt when we consider that he has taken on board a personal prophecy from a man like Jonathan David. Frankly the self-aggrandisement necessary to view oneself a modern day Elijah is particularly ironic considering Conder's willingness to facilitate proven false teachers like Jesse Duplantis!

For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned. (Romans 12/3)

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 John 4/1)

Gordon Pettie And The Barlow Clowes Fraud:  http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/more-revelations-about-revelation-tv.html 


Dear Reader – Do you have questions about Jesus Christ and how to be truly saved? If so, then please read my post: GOD'S PLAN OF SALVATION THROUGH JESUS CHRIST
http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/gods-plan-of-salvation-through-jesus.html


23 comments:

Anonymous said...

there is a church in my town influenced and connected to this network and they are scaring the crapm out of me, if you respond to this ill leave my e-mail so we can chat. thankyou

Treena Gisborn said...

Thank you anonymous - these people are either delusional or deliberate deceivers. God bless you.

Anonymous said...

There is also a church in my town too that is heavily involved with Jonathan David and their cult like behaviour is causing a lit if concern for several people including Christian leaders The pastor of the church is very delusional

Seeking_Truth said...

I was in church who was getting aligned with jonathan david ministry during time when i was member in this full gospel freechurch in . Two years ago or something like it i heard that they had stepped out from there as leader understood that some things are wrong with JD ministry.

Anonymous said...

Are you in Australia? Would love to talk to others in Australia who have had this experience like me. Thanks

Treena Gisborn said...

No Anonymous I am in the UK. God bless x

Vashti Wood said...

Anonymous, I'm in Australia and have had TOO MUCH indirect (through my sister in law) involvement with the Jonathan David phenomenon. If I say "Master's Commission" Shiites that mean anything to you?

marnie said...

Vashti yes, I know exactly what you are talking about, can I get in contact with you somehow?

Treena Gisborn said...

Marnie + Vashti If you leave your details on the contact form on this blog I will pass them to each of you. You can be assured of my discretion and confidentiality. God bless x

Vashti Wood said...

Treena, I've submitted my details via the contact form. Please feel free to pass them to Marnie.

agape,
Vashti

Treena Gisborn said...

Thank you Vashti. If Marnie gets in touch I will pass your details on to her. God bless x

Anonymous said...

I remember when I met the Dr Jonathon David in person, I couldn't figure out why everyone was so obsessed with him. I listen to his sermon and it was gibberish.

Anonymous said...

I remember when I met Dr Jonathon David in person, I couldn't figure out why everyone was so obsessed with him. I listened to his sermon and it was gibberish, a bunch of fancy phrases that did amount to much.

Broken Wing Songbird said...

Vashti sorry I must have missed your next comment, I'll leave my details too so we can get in contact

Anonymous said...

This man causes uproar in our church roughly 10 years ago. He had my Pastor and everyone in somewhat of a trance. He is still aligned with JD ministry however I'm not sure how close. We scrammed when we say the idolatry.
Praying that the eyes of the blind be opened to see the truth.

Treena Gisborn said...

Thank God your church have seen the truth Anonymous. We do need to keep praying about these deceivers. God bless.

Anonymous said...

Hi, My name is Nicola. I would also love to contact you ladies in Australia.. but I can't seem to figure out how to get my details to you?

Treena Gisborn said...

Hi Nicola... If you leave your email address as a comment I will not publish it and I will pass it on to Vashti...I have her details. God bless.

Vashti said:

I've previously left my details with the administrator, and I'm happy for her to pass them to you. Or, if they've been lost, I'm happy to pass them on again. I'm happy to skype and/or email.

Anonymous said...

I am currently leaving a church that is connected to this ministry i have never felt so free for the past 4 years of my life i have felt oppressed, and it has sent a few young people operating as over zealous radicalists .

Hosanna said...

Me too, I left a church deeply involved with Dr JD ministry and WOWOWWOW the freedom I felt was quite healing.

I could feel something was not right.

Hosanna said...

I recently left a cult which is deeply involved with Dr JD and his ministry. I also felt such freedom in my bones and i FINALLY received JESUS in my heart, the Jesus they had been teaching and singing to is not the same JESUS I gave my heart to. I pray that GOD will raise up a generation which will stand for HIM.

pri_santos said...

hello, Treena
i think I have worked with a group close to this dr. could we talk through email?

Treena Gisborn said...

Yes of course pre_santos... Either contact me on Messenger via Facebook -- or send another comment on this post with your email address.. I will not publish it and I will get back to you. God bless.