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Thursday, 26 December 2019

A TEACHABLE MOMENT ~ CLOSING STAGES





In the video clip above Bill Randles grossly misrepresented the facts when he claimed publicly that David Nathan taught that "the Father did not create anything" and "the blood of Jesus has no profit in any dispensation". These are blatant falsehoods! Even though Bill Randles is fully aware that David Nathan has not taught these heresies, he has made no attempt to apologise or to retract his false statements!!! 

David Nathan: “He (Jesus) is the creator. He is the one that created – but as we know from scripture, because God is a perfect unity they work as one – that Jesus did not act independently of the Father. Amen..” (12:00 mark). https://youtu.be/jGuCiRUvriM


“You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness." (Exodus 23:1).

Read the post by Closingstages:

https://closingstages.net/2019/12/25/a-teachable-moment/?fbclid=IwAR2dPIO7LURCCFZJtPEyR5KHcpAM15zyr05loLcMbOe9khaemGwAAiK7RpQ

Monday, 9 December 2019

ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED?

The belief in "eternal security" aka "once saved always saved" (OSAS) is the popular doctrine that if a person is truly saved then they cannot ultimately lose their salvation. A number of teachers aggressively promote this doctrine under the false notion that eternal security is inseparable from initial salvation. Instead of teaching the whole counsel of God (Acts 20:27), many teachers quote the scriptures out of context in order to validate OSAS. In contrast, the warnings are specific and overwhelming.

JUDE

For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. (Jude 1:3-5).

Some teach that the Israelites destroyed in the wilderness lost their physical lives but that ultimately they were saved. However, they ignore the context of Jude as a whole. Jude continues with the example of the angels who rebelled and were punished with eternal destruction, i.e. the same punishment as those who sinned in Sodom and Gomorrah ~ eternal fire:

And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgement of the great day— just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. (Jude 1:6-7).


Paul also refers to the Israelites that were overthrown in the wilderness: Therefore let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall. (1 Corinthians 10:1-12 cf. 2 Peter 3:17 ).

Paul warned the Galatians that to fall away from grace is to be severed from Christ: You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. (Galatians 5:4).

To be severed from Christ necessitates that one must have been attached to Christ previously. Similarly to fall away from grace also necessitates prior attachment.

Meyer: "But all the admonitions, from 1 Corinthians 10:6 onwards (see, too, 1 Corinthians 10:14), have a direct reference to falling into sins, the consequence of which is a falling from grace so as to come under the divine ὀργή {wrath}(comp Galatians 5:4)." {1}

HEBREWS

The intention of Paul (the supposed writer of the book of Hebrews), was to warn believers against the danger of apostasy and to emphasise that their hope and their confidence in God must be maintained to the end.

For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. For land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless (ἀδόκιμος) and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned. (Hebrews 6:4-8).

ἀδόκιμος - worthless / rejected / reprobate.
{2}


Calvin's Influence

The doctrine of OSAS was taught emphatically by John Calvin. The Geneva Study Bible incorrectly interprets "taste" in Hebrews 6:4 as a superficial experience: "We must note the force of this word, for it is one thing to believe as Lydia did, whose heart God opened in Ac 16:13 and another thing to have some taste." {3}

However, Paul explicitly identifies authentic converted Christians rather than false professors who are not true followers of Christ. (Matthew 7:21-23). Paul reiterates his meaning in three distinct ways i.e. those who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come. (Hebrews 6:4-6).

Jesus tasted death for everyone. (Hebrews. 2:9).

Cambridge Bible: "'o taste' does not mean merely 'summis labris delibare' (their lips touch).
It is a common Semitic and metaphoric paraphrase for death, derived from the notion of Death as an Angel who gives a cup to drink; as in the Arabic poem Antar 'Death fed him with a cup of absinth by my hand.' Comp. Matthew 16:28; John 8:52."
{4}

*See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven. (Hebrews 12:25).


*
..but Christ is faithful over God’s house as a son. And we are his house, if indeed we hold fast our confidence and our boasting in our hope. (Hebrews 3:6).


Unlike Calvin's flawed theology, the scriptures teach that faith is conditional, not upon works, but upon continuing in the faith and standing firm to the end. (Matthew 10:22; Colossians 1:22-23). 


Calvin on Hebrews 3:6 - "The elect are also beyond the danger of finally falling away; for the Father who gave them to be preserved by Christ his Son is greater than all, and Christ promises to watch over them all so that none may perish. To all this I answer, That God indeed favours none but the elect alone with the Spirit of regeneration, and that by this they are distinguished from the reprobate; for they are renewed after his image and receive the earnest of the Spirit in hope of the future inheritance, and by the same Spirit the Gospel is sealed in their hearts. But I cannot admit that all this is any reason why he should not grant the reprobate also some taste of his grace, why he should not irradiate their minds with some sparks of his light, why he should not give them some perception of his goodness, and in some sort engrave his word on their hearts. Otherwise, where would be the temporal faith mentioned by Mark 4:17? There is therefore some knowledge even in the reprobate, which afterwards vanishes away, either because it did not strike roots sufficiently deep, or because it withers, being choked up. [98]" {5}

*For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgement, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (Hebrews 10:26-31).

Barne's Notes: "..it is the natural and proper meaning of the word rendered here 'sanctified.' This word is commonly applied to Christians in the sense that they are made holy; see Acts 20:32; Acts 26:18; 1 Corinthians 1:2;" {6}


Further Scriptures:

*
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes
(πιστεύων) in him may have eternal life “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes (πιστεύων) in him should not perish but have eternal life... (John 3:14-16). 

The present active participle
πιστεύων is a progressive present i.e. a continuous action. According to Greek theologian Daniel B Wallace, everlasting life is a continuing progressive experience, leaving the inescapable conclusion that continual belief is a necessary condition of salvation:

Wallace: “The present was the tense of choice most likely because the NT writers by and large saw continual belief as a necessary condition of salvation. Along these lines, it seems significant that the promise of salvation is almost always given to ὁ πιστεύων [the one who believes, present tense] … almost never to ὁ πιστεύσας [the one who believes/believed, aorist tense] (apart from Mark 16:16, John 7:39, and Heb 4:3 come the closest…)” {7}

*John 10:27-29 is commonly employed in support OSAS, but note that the verbs in verse 27 are present active indicative.

27-My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28-I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29-My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.” (John 10:27-29).

*Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned. (John 15:4-6).

*1 Corinthians 9:27 ~ lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified (ἀδόκιμος) [castaway KJV].

castaway, Gr. ἀδόκιμος - worthless / rejected / reprobate. {2}

Some teach that 1 Corinthians 9:27 applies to various rewards given to Christians at the Bema seat of Christ (Matthew 25:14-23; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Revelation 22:12), due to Paul's reference to "the prize" in 1 Corinthians 9:24 ~ They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. The perishable wreath Paul refers to is the crown of athletes competing in the Grecian games. It should be noted that the incorruptible crown, also referred to as the crown of righteousness (2 Timothy 4:8), and the crown of life (James 1:12; Revelation 2:10), is promised to ALL true believers. *Note also the ruin of the wicked and slothful servant: And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ (Matthew 25:24-30 cf. Revelation 3:11).

Coffman: "..the crown of righteousness at the last day will endow all who are truly 'in Christ' with the sum total of our Lord's own righteousness. Analogous expressions are 'the crown of glory' (1 Peter 5:4) and 'the crown of life'" (James 1:12; Revelation 2:10)." {8}

*For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.. (Romans 8:13-14).


Paul is addressing those who live according to the Spirit. He continues ~ nothing can separate us from the love of Christ.. (Romans 8:35). The assurance is for those ..who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. (Romans 8:4).

Matthew Poole: "If ye live after the flesh, ye shall die; viz. eternally, and never partake of the glorious resurrection before spoken of. The godly themselves need this caution; they must not think, that because they are elected and justified, &c., that therefore they may do and live as they list." {9}

*..faith apart from works is dead. (James 2:26). This is not "works salvation". James explains that works are the evidence of faith. (James 2:14-26). Without the evidence of accompanying works, professing Christians cannot claim that they are truly saved. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. (Matthew 7:16-20; 12:33).

*So he told them this parable: “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbours, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep that was lost.’ Just so, I tell you, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance. (Luke 15:3-7). *Note: Although Matthew 18:12-14 omits repentance, it is conditional ..And if so be (ἐὰν γένηται) that he find it.. (KJV). Vincent Word Studies: "If it should so come to pass. God's grace is not irresistible." {10}


Luke amplifies the same theme in three separate parables, [1] the lost sheep [2] the lost coin [3] the prodigal son. All three parables in Luke stress the necessity of repentance as essential to returning. (Luke 15:7,10, 18-19).

*For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved. For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.” (2 Peter 2:19-22).

Peter refers to those who have escaped the defilements of the world.. an impossibility for anyone who is not genuinely converted. This verse refers to those who have been cleansed from their former sins. Everyone outside Jesus Christ is defiled by sin (including false believers).

* But if that wicked servant says to himself, ‘My master is delayed,’ and begins to beat his fellow servants and eats and drinks with drunkards, the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know and will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 24:45-51).


Wesley: "But if that evil servant — Now evil, having put away faith and a good conscience." {11}

*..hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the Day of the Lord. (1 Corinthians 5:5).

Most scholars agree that Pau's goal is the final salvation of the man on the Day of the Lord. The intention of this sinful man's excommunication was chastening, by handing him over to the realm of Satan, so that he would repent and that he may be saved on the Day of the Lord. (2 Corinthians 7:10).

Barnes: "That the spirit may be saved - That his soul might be saved; that he might be corrected, humbled, and reformed by these sufferings, and recalled to the paths of piety and virtue. This expresses the true design of the discipline of the church, and it ought never to be inflicted but with a direct intention to benefit the offender, and to save the soul. Even when he is cut off and disowned, the design should not be vengeance, or punishment merely, but it should be to recover him and save him from ruin." {12} 

Calvinist John Gill: "..for the destruction of the flesh; that is, that his body might be shook, buffeted, afflicted, and tortured in a terrible manner; that by this means he might be brought to a sense of his sin, to repentance for it, and make an humble acknowledgment of it:
that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus; that he might be renewed in the spirit of his mind, be restored by repentance, and his soul be saved in the day of Christ;" {13}

Mark Dunagan: "'may'-the 'destruction of the flesh' and the 'spirit being saved', are hoped for results. This is a key word to understanding the whole verse. Withdrawal can take place and neither result happen. Since the 'spirit being saved' depends upon the attitude of the sinner, therefore, the 'destruction of the flesh', must be something that the sinner being withdrawn from must allow to happen in their life.." {14}

*Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared.. (1 Timothy 4:1-2 cf. 2 Timothy 4:10).

*As God's fellow workers, then, we urge you not to receive God's grace in vain. (2 Corinthians 6:1).

*Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. (Hebrews 3:12).

*..to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God’s power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. (1 Peter 1:4-5).

Ellicott: "Through faith.—The Apostle is fearful lest the last words should give a false assurance. God can guard none of us, in spite of His 'power,' unless there be a corresponding exertion upon our part—which is here called 'faith'—combining the notions of staunch fidelity and of trustfulness in spite of appearances. It is through such trustful fidelity that we are guarded." (1 Peter 1:5). {15} 

*And you, Solomon my son, know the God of your father and serve him with a whole heart and with a willing mind, for the LORD searches all hearts and understands every plan and thought. If you seek him, he will be found by you, but if you forsake him, he will cast you off forever. (1 Chronicles 28:9).

*Make sure there is no man or woman, clan or tribe among you today whose heart turns away from the LORD our God to go and worship the gods of those nations. (Deuteronomy 29:18).

*
Now the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and a harmful spirit from the LORD tormented him. (1 Samuel 16:14).

*Cast me not away from your presence, and take not your Holy Spirit from me. (Psalm 51:11).


*He who dwells (yo·shev) in the shelter of the Most High will abide in the shadow of the Almighty. (Psalm 91:1,9,14). 

yashab (yaw-shab') to dwell, to remain; causatively, to settle, to marry. {16} 

*Because you have disheartened the righteous falsely, although I have not grieved him, and you have encouraged the wicked, that he should not turn from his evil way to save his life, (Ezekiel 13:22).

*So because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to vomit you out of My mouth! (Revelation 3:16).

*For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. (Matthew 24:24). The previous warning about spiritual deception are to no purpose if it is impossible for "the elect" to be deceived ~ See that no one leads you astray. (Matthew 24:4). 

Eschatological Implications

The false doctrine of eternal security is linked to apostasy, both generally, as in the parable of the sower (Matthew 13:20-21), and the mass falling away during the great tribulation. (Matthew 24:10). 

OSAS is often taught in tandem with the pre-tribulation rapture position. These reckless false teachings render the severe warnings of the scriptures ineffectual. Those Christians who are confident that they cannot lose their salvation under any circumstances are in danger of doing just that. (1 Corinthians 10:12). Now is the time to prepare for the unprecedented persecution of the Antichrist. If professing believers become offended (Matthew 24:10 KJV), and fall away during the great tribulation, there is the very real prospect that they will not repent. There will be no possibility to repent at all for anyone who takes the mark of the beast. (Revelation 14:9-10). It is highly irresponsible to believe that God will deliver believers from persecution during this critical time: He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. (Revelation 7:25 cf. Revelation 12:17; 13:7; Daniel 7:21,25).

Apostasy is the desertion from Christianity by someone who was formerly a genuine convert. The Greek word apostasia (ἀποστασία) is defection, departure, revolt or rebellion. It has been described as "a wilful falling away from, or rebellion against, Christianity." 

Apostasy = ἀποστασία, ἀποστασιας, ἡ (ἀφισταμαι), a falling away, defection, apostasy; in the Bible namely, from the true religion:defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy") -- falling away, forsake. {17}

Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion (ἀποστασία) comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.. (2 Thessalonians 2:3).

As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away (σκανδαλίζεται). (Matthew 13:20-21).

And blessed is the one who is not offended (σκανδαλισθῇ) by me. (Matthew 11:6).

And then many will fall away (σκανδαλισθήσονται) and betray one another and hate one another. (Matthew 24:10).

σκανδαλίζω = skandalizó: to put a snare (in the way), hence to cause to stumble, to give offence. {18} 


Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15)
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"But he who endures to the end shall be saved." (Matthew 10:22; 13:13; 24:13).

1. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_corinthians/10-12.htm
2. https://biblehub.com/greek/96.htm
3. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/hebrews/6-4.htm
4. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/cambridge/hebrews/2.htm
5. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/calvin/hebrews/6.htm6. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/hebrews/10-29.htm
7. http://veritas.training/doesnt-the-present-tense-of-believe-in-john-316-mean-we-must-continue-to-believe-to-have-everlasting-life/
8. http://classic.studylight.org/com/bcc/view.cgi?book=2ti&chapter=4&verse=8#2Ti4_8
9. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/poole/romans/8.htm
10. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/vws/matthew/18.htm
11. https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/wen/matthew-24.html#48
12. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/barnes/1_corinthians/5.htm
13. https://www.studylight.org/commentary/1-corinthians/5-5.html
14. https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/dun/1-corinthians-5.html#5
15. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_peter/1-5.htm
16. https://biblehub.com/lexicon/psalms/91-1.htm
17. https://biblehub.com/greek/646.htm

Further Links:

Quotes from the early church fathers
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https://www.neverthirsty.org/bible-qa/qa-archives/question/did-the-primitive-church-preach-the-doctrine-of-once-saved-always-saved/
The Great Deception ~ Joe Schimmel ~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAQBTybv2mk&t=1432s

Saturday, 7 December 2019

INTERCESSORS FOR BRITAIN: PUBLIC STATEMENT ~JACOB PRASCH'S GODLESS BEHAVIOUR

INTERCESSORS FOR BRITAIN
5th December 2019

Jacob Prasch of Moriel Ministries 

After over a year of direct private appeals to Jacob, appealing to others connected with his work, and waiting and hoping that others might act or there might be repentance, we now come to the sad moment where we must speak publicly. 

For over a year we have witnessed others being subjected to threats, abusive speech, slander, misrepresentation and malicious gossip; and we have also been on the receiving end of the same. Jacob has carried this out via emails and also using the pulpit to execute this ungodly behaviour.
Despite our best efforts to appeal for him to reconsider his actions and behaviour, he has continued and has again just recently used his pulpit to abuse a godly woman, who is also a member of IFB. She, along with a growing number of good fellow believers have been on the receiving end of some very unrighteousness behaviour. 

This is simply unacceptable. That this continues unabated and the untold damage that is being done to fellow saints has led us to make this public statement. 

Jacob has promised us he will produce another video attacking us if we dare to speak out against him. We will not make any further comments or responses to any such video. We will only respond further if Jacob denies the claims made in this statement, in which case we will simply post the evidence publicly for the body to judge. 

We take no pleasure in writing this and have put it off for a long time at the request of others. However, I will not stand silently by while good fellow workers are wickedly and publicly savaged. Jacob has sort to control many with fear, including me, however, the fear of man brings a snare. We will trust in the Lord.

But please, let none of this be a distraction (unfortunately the enemy has been using it as such for us, hence us drawing a line in the sand here); let us press on in prayer at this critical time.

Yours in Christ
Dave Borlase

Solely for our facebook post. Moriel has had people posting and attacking on their behalf, sometimes even using fake facebook profiles, (even of the opposite sex!). We will simply delete those comments. If anyone has concerns or would like to discuss the issue, you are welcome to message me privately and I will get back to you when I can.

https://www.facebook.com/intercessorsforbritain/


UPDATE: Upon receipt of certain information, I find that I cannot support Intercessors For Britian due to their compromise with ecumenism.  Please read the comment below. 

Thursday, 5 December 2019

POWERPLAYPAUSE: THE JACOB PRASCH FILES ~ MORIEL PLACED ON AUSTRALIAN CULT INFORMATION SERVICE

The Jacob Prasch Files No.8: Australian Cult Information Service Places Moriel on List of Possible “Extremist Groups/Destructive and Manipulative Sects/Cults/High Pressure Groups.”
December 5, 2019 by powerplaypause

I have uncovered several rather eye-opening articles about Jacob Prasch from the late 1990s and early 2000s. This is the eighth in the collection:

Jacob Prasch’s group Moriel saw rapid expansion in Australia in the late 1990s, despite Prasch’s explosive behaviour, and his gurning about not receiving enough financial offerings, and being labelled by a Moriel Australia volunteer “a malevolent and breathtakingly ungrateful thug” for his idiot attacks on his own volunteers. Theologian David Pawson, in an arbitration report between Prasch and his target the Elim denomination in 1998, keenly noted this about Prasch’s group:

“Moriel is a smaller group of autonomous fellowships in loose association, but its publications are the virtual mouthpiece of one dominant personality, apparently operating without mutual accountability.”

And about Prasch specifically David Pawson wrote:

“He is a powerful personality with considerable intellectual ability and emotional capacity. He has a unique ministry in Bible teaching, especially in the area of Jewish interpretation and application of scripture. His unusual background, knowledge and experience have attracted many followers though, as with other persuasive communicators, some of his devotees regard his pronouncements as the last word on a subject or issue, an attitude he does not appear to discourage. The title of his newsletters (‘Moriel’ means ‘God is my teacher’) has more than a hint of a claim to special revelation, whether this is intended or not.”

A few years down the line in 2003 Prasch’s group Moriel was listed by The Cult Information Service in Brisbane, Australia, in their list of Extremist Groups – Destructive and Manipulative Sects – Cults – High Pressure Groups on their website. The group to this day watches out for fellow Australians, although no longer publishes publicly its list. Here is the 2003 list:

Extremist Groups – Destructive and Manipulative Sects – Cults – High Pressure Groups.


We carry an extensive collection of articles and books on a wide variety of groups about whom concern has been expressed.  The following list represents a small selection of those about whom we have information.  In addition we have access to reference libraries and various sources.  If the group is known or significant, we can usually find out what types of beliefs they hold.

The listing a group on this page does not imply it is a “cult”.   It simply implies that some observers have expressed concerns about the extremist practices or unhealthy group processes exhibited by the group, and that critiquing information about them is available in the public domain.  They may be healthy – you decide for yourself.

Name(s) of CultsLocation(s)Leader / CommentsYear FoundedNotes / Writings
Aum ShinrikyoTokyo JapanShoko Asahara1987Tokyo subway Nerve Gas attacks
Calvary CentreBrisbaneSharon & John Fawcett1988Small independent Christian Community
Children of God (see also the Family)USA Australia, variousArchbishop Amos Otest,
David Berg.
1976Free love, forced marriages, banned contraception, “Flirty Fishing”
Church Universal & TriumphantUSAElizabeth Clare Prophet1961Syncretism based on Christianity + ascended masters,  karma, re-incarnation.
Circle of LightUSARev Cassandra D Anaya1995?New Age psychic, channelling angels
Community Church
“The Community”
North East Kingdom Community
Canada, New Zealand 1972Orthodox Evangelical theology, excessive on “cutting off from the world” and some cases of abducting children in divorce disputes.
Elan Vital – Maharaj Ji – Divine Light Mission – PremieUSA 1973 
Family (see also Children of God)  Peter Amsterdam
HealersNumerousVarious Some Christian, some new age, other.
   
Heaven’s GateCaliforniaMarshall Applewhite 39 committed Suicide
Infinity – Forms of Yellow RememberSydney Australia  Sells expensive water in vials.  Extensive website.
Jehovah’s WitnessesWorldWideCharles Taze Russell1870Strong Milieu Control, Anti-trinitarian, Exclusivist
KenjaSydneyKen Dyers, Jan Hamilton1991?Self-awareness, some allegations of sexual misconduct.
Life Integration Programs (The Metaphysical Association)Brisbane UQNatasha Lakaev1993Excessive physical endurance courses
Local Church
 Witness Lee1940s,Zealous group, Modal Monarchianism and Exclusivist. Centralised authoritarian structure. All other churches are “Satanic”.
Magnificat Meal MovementHelidon QldDebra Geileskey…1993Catholic offshoot, Mary co-redemptrix,
MahikariJapan, AustraliaYoshikasu Okada,
Dr Andris Tebecis
1959True Light radiating from hands.  Sometime members Richard & Jo Court. (WA premier)
MooniesKorea, USASun Myung Moon1960Numerous front organisations “Family Federation for World Peace” etc
Moral RearmamentUSAFrank Buchman1921 
Moriel Jacob Prasch Appears theologically orthodox. mildly-charismatic evangelical.
MormonsUtah, worldwideJoseph Smith1830 
New Age Movements (see also “Cult Encounter” book by Rick & Helen Larson – Extra Terrestrial Earth Ministry)WorldwideMany and variedNew groups emerge continuallyCombination of occult practices, divining, witchcraft
One HumanityNear BrisbaneShaiah Raz-aelNinetiesSeeks to unite all religions
Paganism (See witchcraft)worldwidevariousancientRelated to new-age
People’s  TempleGuyanaJim Jones 913 committed suicide Guyana 1978
Potter’s HouseUSA, worldwideWayman Mitchell1970Orthodox Trinitarian Pentecostal.  Some have practiced “heavy shepherding”.
Promise KeepersWorldwideBarry Cutchie (Australia)1990Orthodox evangelical men’s movement. Some small concerns over USA right-wing influence.
Raelian – UFO cultUSA, France, worldwide,Calude Vorilhon (“Rael”)1973Alien embassy plans. Demonstrated against “Independence Day” movie as “racist towards Aliens”
ReikiJapan, USA
Various Healing with hands – energy
Essene New Life Church (see Reiki)    
Revival Centres InternationalWorldwideL.R. Longfield1958Pentecostal extremist, British Israelism
Sant Thakar Singh (see also Yoga)    
ScientologyUSA, worldwideL.Ron Hubbard1952?Cosmic alien religion.
Suma Ching Hai – the Quan Yin MethodVietnam, Taiwan, worldwideChing Hai “living buddha” Buddhist offshoot
Toronto BlessingToronto, worldwideJohn Arnott, Rodney Howard Browne,1994Pentecostal Orthodox theologically, extreme in manifestations.
Trennia – New Apostles of Divine MercyIreland + ?  Divine Mercy Novena.
Twelve TribesUSA  Christian Unorthodox
United Pentecostal Movement  1910Unitarian Pentecostals adhering to Modal Monarchianism.
WitchcraftWorldwide  Various types of different significance
World Peace Universal Church (Matson)Boondall, BrisbaneRoger Gregory Matson198? 
Yoga (see also Sant Thakar Singh)IndiaHindu OffshootancientKnowing God through body mastery. Bhagavad Gita.
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The Jacob Prasch Files:

No.1: David Pawson’s 1998 Report on Prasch’s Behaviour
No.2: Prasch Damns His Chosen Arbiter David Pawson!
No.3: Prasch the “Malevolent and Breathtakingly Ungrateful Thug”
No.4: Moriel Australia Inc. & Prasch’s “List of Imaginary JW Supporters and Heretics”
No.5: “Head-kicking” Benny Hinn, and “Culling” Moriel’s “Aunt Maybel” Subscribers
No.6: Prasch: Pastor or Predator?
No.7: Prasch: “Women Are Vulnerable to Spiritual Seduction More Than Men Are”

Tuesday, 19 November 2019

BILL RANDLES IRRATIONAL BEHAVIOUR

CLOSINGSTAGES: PUBLIC APOLOGY
CLOSINGSTAGES: BILL RANDLES RESOLUTION
https://closingstages.net/2019/11/18/randles-resolution/

Following Mike and Pat Rogers' public apology to Bill Randles, I have to say that Randles irrational behaviour is quite something to behold! Unsurprisingly, his illogical suggestion that they follow the Matthew 18 process in order to resolve their differences has resulted in further issues.

The Matthew 18:15-17 Process:

Stage 1: If your brother sins against you, go and confront him privately. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. (v15)
Stage 2: But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses. (v 16)
Stage 3: If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. (v 17a)
Stage 4: And if he refuses to listen even to the church, regard him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. (v17b)

Some thoughts: All this has taken place in the public domain. As such it is not an issue that can realistically be settled privately by the Matthew 18 process. Nevertheless Mike and Pat did listen to Bill Randles and took appropriate action (stage 1). However, Bill does not listen to their grievances, which necessitates the involvement of one or two others (stage 2). If Bill will not listen to one or two others, and as they are not in a church setting, Mike and Pat cannot “tell it to the church”. As such stage 3 does not apply. At stage 2 if there is no resolution, I think they would need to decide whether to regard Bill as a “pagan or a tax collector”. In a church setting that would necessitate that Bill's company is to be shunned. (Stage 4).
In any event, Bill invalidated the whole process when he vilified Mike and Pat publicly after Matthew 18 was initiated and after he had agreed to await their response. 
[William Randles Tim Wirth it is not true what they posted about how”vile” Kris and I, and these hypocrites repost from Jacobs website when it serves their interest in sliming my name, such as when they posted Sergio’s lying rant ... none of it is”hard truth”].  
A further violation of the process occurred when Bill copied another person into his email responses to Mike and Pat erratically without consulting them and without their permission.
Bill continues to flout the Matthew 18 process by adding to his list of original grievances.

In my view, resolution with such an unstable person will be very difficult indeed!

Further Problems
Both Bill and Kristin have broken the scriptures by making ad hominem remarks and accusations they are not prepared to back up with specific examples and facts. (2 Corinthians 13:1).
In my own case, Bill has accused me of being a "feminist", as well as making other false accusations against me.* However he failed to produce any evidence to substantiate those lies. He subsequently followed up by calling me a an "abusive reviler”. Despite being challenged by me, Bill completely ignores me and refuses to acknowledge my grievances against him. Is that scriptural?

* UPDATE 22/11/2019:  I have accepted Bill's recent apology on a previous obscure post of mine for calling me a "feminist".


Partiality

When I asked Bill Randles to read my intra-seal critique on Prasch, he agreed, but he did not keep his word. His partiality was obvious when he asked: "What are the implications of Jacob not getting the counting of the Omer exactly right?" {1}

Concerning David Nathan:

Bill Randles: "In my view, the original issue which triggered all of this boils down to two statements of David Nathan’s; 
'The blood of Jesus will not profit anyone anything in the Millennium' and the twin statement in which Nathan strongly asserts that the blood sacrifices offered in the Millennium are in no way memorial. In other words, they do not point back to the cross of Jesus, as the Lord’s Supper does.

"God the Father did not Create anything”
{2}
Can Bill Randles clarify why precisely he will not “forgive” David Nathan? If it concerns the millennium question, then it is not for Bill Randles to “forgive” a doctrinal error.. only the Lord can do that. We forgive one another our sins against each other, not doctrinal error. (Colossians 3:13). We “expose” false teaching – that is all. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. Ephesians 5:1.
Bill Randles: "So what is my problem? WHY HAVEN'T I 'FORGIVEN' HIM?"
I have all kinds of problems with these two issues, but DON'T ASSUME I HAVEN'T FORGIVEN or don’t love David Nathan because it isn’t true..

DOCTRINAL ISSUES ARE NOT PRIMARILY A MATTER OF FORGIVENESS … they are matters of the determination of truth.."
This particular example of Bill's double speak had the effect of muddying the waters, and it prolonged an already unpleasant episode. In my view, it was a deliberate attempt to further damage David Nathan's reputation.

Further evidence of Bill Randles duplicity: 
"We don’t have to get personal. If we could just be objective people, take a look at Scripture, put aside personalities put aside people being rude, this or that or the other. Do you really want to promote a man, who says the Father didn’t create anything? Or that the blood of Christ has no profit AT ANY DISPENSATION.. People have to remember where their true loyalty lies, it lies with the Word." https://youtu.be/fPzfy83U5Y0 (1:17 mark).
To state that David Nathan was referring to ANY DISPENSATION is a complete fabrication! The original question concerned the MILLENIUM, and in that respect David Nathan has clarified his position.
David Nathan: "The statement which I should not have made but rather should have sought to express myself very differently and that folk have objected to is, 'The Blood of Jesus will not profit anyone, anything in the Millennium.' In using this phrase, which I regret, I was not stating that the Blood of Jesus does not cleanse in all ages as this would be a clear violation of scripture. His blood alone can take away sin and every sacrifice from Genesis 3:21, when the Lord clothed Adam and Eve in tunics of skin to the sacrifices of the Millennium all point to Jesus. In the teaching I kept using the word atone to describe the purpose of the millennial sacrifices in the sense that they do not remove sin but cover sin. I reiterate again that I do not teach nor believe that the sin of an animal or animals can ever remove sin. Not under the Old Testament, not now nor in the age to come. Only the Blood of Jesus can remove sin both now and forever, including the millennium. This is and has always been what I have believed though I did not express it succinctly in the series on Eschatology.
I only offer the above as an explanation of why I used the phrase and not as an excuse for trying to justify using it. I was wrong to use it as it does not, nor ever did convey what I actually believe regarding the eternal cleansing power of the Blood of Jesus which alone removes sin for all ages."  {3}
David Nathan: "The bible is absolutely clear that God is the creator. The Father ordained creation. Jesus was the creator in perfect unity with the Father.. not that God the Father was not involved in creation.." {4}
Kristin Randles has said all kinds of wicked things against David Nathan, as recorded on my previous post {5} .
Critically, Bill seems oblivious to the fact that Jacob Prasch thoroughly agreed with David Nathan’s millennial views. Bill has never acknowledged that fact – and that was his main bone of contention!


All these are the actions of a "pastor" who boasts of 40 years in the ministry! 

Saturday, 16 November 2019

JACOB PRASCH CONTINUES TO PUT THE BOOT IN!



Jacob Prasch: "One of the most vicious Jezebels with a Jezebel Spirit I have ever encountered in my life is in Fife Scotland.. What would you say of a woman who promotes somebody who says 'God the Father is not the creator..' that 'the gospel is not eternal..' and defends and promotes the priests of Baal.. 'you can pray into a jacket or a tie or a piece of cloth and knock people over with it..' and then when she is opposed she goes on the warpath (??). That's a Jezebel. She is a vicious, vicious woman, she is demonised.." (1:33-1:36).

These accusations against Deborah Menelaws are very serious! Indeed Prasch's habit of slandering women is not limited to Deborah Menelaws. The "Jezebel" slur is one of his favourite accusations against any woman who stands against him.

Why does Prasch continue to rake up issues that David Nathan publicly repented of some time ago? (Acts 3:19; Colossians 2:14; Isaiah 43:25).

As far as I am concerned David Nathan's name is cleared on all counts, with one exception - I still have reservations about his teaching on the millennium. However we must not forget that Jacob Prasch was in full agreement with David Nathan on this subject. After reading BW Newton, I now understand more fully the negative ramifications associated with salvation by grace ending upon Christ's return. {2}

Deborah's response:





Above - Jacob Prasch, David Nathan and Marco Quintana are all in agreement, i.e. after the rapture of the church, the age of grace comes to an end:

Jacob Prasch: "Once the harpazo transpires, the Lord will refocus His primary intentions on the salvation of Israel, although not salvation in the sense that we understand it, not by grace, it will ?? revert back to the Old Testament way of dealing with man and the nations."

David Nathan re-emphasises Prasch's point: "After the rapture, the age of dispensation of grace as we know it, the church age is over. From that moment until the end of the millennium, everything reverts back under law. There is no salvation in the sense of being adopted, being part of the family of God. The Jews and those in the millennium will become the people of God and not the family of God. Everything reverts back under old covenant. So when Jesus comes, that's it, salvation, as we understand it, by grace is over. That is why the parables of the marriage feast in Matthew 22 and in 25 says that when the door is shut, no one else can come in. If you don't have a wedding garment on, in other words, garments made of white by the blood of the Lamb ?? any other garment, you are going to get kicked out. So when the Lord returns, He comes for his bride, there are not two weddings. There is one wedding for one bride at one time in history. You are either in it or you are not. After that, everything goes back under Law."

Jacob Prasch nods at various points and is in full agreement with everything David Nathan says.

Jacob Prasch: "The wedding is the same as the door being shut in Noah's ark."

The statement that millennial Jews and Gentiles will not be saved under grace because the marriage feast is over is extremely problematic. Are not Israel regarded corporately as God's wife during the millennium? (Isaiah 54:5; 62:5; Hosea 2:16). {1}

Fake Jew Jacob Prasch is a proven false teacher whose deluded claim to have "the ministry of Elijah" is utterly absurd.

1. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/04/jacob-prasch-david-nathan-marco.html
2. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/05/jacob-prasch-millennial-views-tainted.html