WAS CHUCK SMITH ECUMENICAL? JACOB PRASCH

Was Chuck Smith Ecumenical? James Jacob Prasch -Live Via Skype

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gZlylKQHjA

The above video is yet another example of Jacob Prasch's extraordinary duplicity.

Prasch continues to muddy the waters by endorsing his former friend, founder of Calvary Chapel, Chuck Smith. 

Prasch: "Never once did he (Chuck Smith) endorse the ecumenical movement or the Roman Catholic Church."

This statement is blatantly false!!!

Chuck Smith did in fact make the unequivocal assertion that Roman Catholics are Christians! In his book, Answers For Today (1993), he made the following ecumenical statement:

"We should realize that we're all part of the Body of Christ and that there aren't any real divisions in the Body. We're all one. What a glorious day when we discover that God loves the Baptists! -- And the Presbyterians, and the Methodists, and the Catholics. We're all His and we all belong to Him. We see the whole Body of Christ, and we begin to strive together rather than striving against one another" (p157). (Emphasis mine).

Pastors Perspective with Chuck Smith and Don Stewart:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc9bNm62SCU

Above.. Once again Chuck Smith states unequivocally that Roman Catholics are Christians: "I had a cousin who was a mother superior in the Catholic Church and she was just a wonderful Christian. I loved her and we had great conversations together and I didn't try to convert her from Catholicism, nor did she try to convert me into becoming a Catholic.. it is just we both recognise that we had the same Lord and the same faith and so forth.." He goes on to say that the differences between Christians and Catholics are not that great - his conclusion: "Catholics are basically Christians too."

Prasch's prevarications about Chuck Smith's inclusivism: "Because so many of the people in Calvary Chapel, who were coming to Calvary Chapel and who were getting saved were from Roman Catholic backgrounds. Chuck took a pastoral approach evangelistically, not wanting to alienate Catholics, so he was reserved about his criticism of Roman Catholic doctrine, theology, beliefs, practices and so forth. He was not one to speak against it, he thought, rightly or wrongly, that it would be counterproductive to seeing Roman Catholics get saved given the fact that so many people in Calvary Chapels were from Roman Catholic backgrounds." 

Chuck Smith's inclusive approach was both unscriptural and ecumenical! Roman Catholicism is the very antithesis of true Christianity and only a deceiver would make such statements. In my experience, those who come out of Roman Catholicism are all the more eager to avoid it! They do not seek to be entangled by it again! (2 Peter 2:20).

ALL Calvary Chapel pastors deferred to the powerful personality of Chuck Smith rather than the scriptures, never mind about the fact that he falsely speculated that the rapture would occur before the end of 1981 at least three times! {1} The pre-trib rapture is of course a key doctrine of Calvary Chapel.

Apart from Smith's embarrassing rapture predictions, he appeared on TBN on many occasions. Chuck Smith and others like him, such as Greg Laurie and Chuck Missler, were/are tainted by association with this apostate organisation. (2 John 9-11). In fact TBN continues to promote Chuck Smith. {2} Paul Crouch referred to Smith as a "dear friend" after his death. {3} Smith was also a "good friend" of Rick Warren!!! The very thought of forming friendships with deceivers like Paul Crouch and Rick Warren should be abhorrent to any true believer!

.. have nothing to do with the deeds of darkness or those who promote false doctrines. What fellowship does light have with darkness? (Ephesians :5:11; 2 Corinthians 6:14). If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, (2 John 1:10). What precisely were Chuck Smith's motives in cultivating friendships with such wicked men apart from leading many believers astray?

Not only was Chuck Smith both ecumenical and a false prophet, he continued to sanction the ministry of his close associate Don Stewart after his adultery. Don Stewart left his wife and two teenage daughters for no good reason and married another woman in 2011. (Matthew 19:19). {4} Smith and Stewart had a long association going back to the early days of Calvary Chapel at Costa Mesa, and they jointly hosted Pastors Perspective for a number of years. Don Stewart continues a high profile ministry in association with Calvary Chapel despite being an adulterer! He is another false teacher who relentlessly promotes the pre-trib rapture deception.

Clearly Chuck Smith had no reservations whatsoever about ditching the scriptures whenever it was convenient!

Jacob Prasch recently re-published the following ill-conceived article by Jackie Alnor endorsing Freemason Billy Graham. {5} Moriel Ministries have now removed their link to this article:

"So in spite of our 20-20 hindsight in believing Billy Graham made the wrong call for the purity of the Church of Jesus Christ, he still deserves the honor of going down in history as the greatest evangelist of all time. That cannot be taken from him. Rest in eternal peace, Billy!!" https://www.moriel.org/articles-and-news/7029-the-legacy-of-billy-graham.html

Prasch's close association with "ecumenical prophet" David Noakes and his accomplice, false prophet, Clifford Hill (Moggerhanger Park), is also highly questionable. David Noakes will be  a speaker at the Moriel Scottish Conference in Aberfoyle (Friday - Sunday 2nd-4th November 2018). {6}

Jacob Prasch's infamous intra-seal rapture theory has thoroughly baffled many believers. Although he tries to pass off intra-seal as a credible variation on the pre-wrath position, do not be fooled! I have not heard one pre-wrath teacher support intra-seal, although Prasch likes to brag that they have things in common! The silence from the pre-wrath camp is deafening! Intra-seal is an unoriginal piece of eisegesis that supports the unscriptural view of the Holy Spirit as taught by John Nelson Darby and the pre-trib camp. Prasch's assertion that the Holy Spirit is the "restrainer" of 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7 is purely speculative. Furthermore, Prasch's assertion that the Holy Spirit is absent during the 70th week of Daniel and his further assertion there is no conviction of sin during this seven year period is unconscionable! The list of errors contained within intra-seal is nothing less than spectacular as demonstrated in my publication and my previous posts on the subject. {7} Prasch has much in common with Darby and his "chaotic" doctrine. BW Newton speculated that Darby may have been sent to Oxford to watch the evangelical movement on behalf of popery. He added that he had not read a line of Darby's writings that a papist might not use. {8} We can easily re-assign Professor Hertzog's observations regarding Darby to Jacob Prasch: "..he (Darby) displayed a haughty imperious, peremptory and ungovernable spirit in public.. Especially he (Darby) the rashness of his assertions, often contradictory; by the vagueness of his expressions; and by his wretched stratagem of jumping off from one subject to another." {8} This perfectly sums up Prasch and intra-seal! Beware of this man!

Was Chuck Smith Ecumenical? Most definitely YES!

A more relevant question: Was Chuck Smith a Jesuit infiltrator and why does Jacob Prasch tell such blatant lies?  

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1-6).

Prasch's endorsement of Chuck Smith is an insult to our intelligence. (Jeremiah 9:5).

Further Reading:

The Latest "Prophetic Word" to Britain by David Noakes: Can A True Prophet Of God be Ecumenical?

https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2016/10/the-latest-prophetic-word-for-britain.html

https://youtu.be/mu8GSDwwBvs

{1} http://calvarychapel.pbworks.com/w/page/. /1981
{2} https://www.tbn.org/people/chuck-smith
{3} https://www.tbn.org/press-releases/dr-paul-crouchs-statement-passing-pastor-chuck-smith
{4} http://scatteredsheepreport.blogspot.com/2012/01/january-20-2012-show-my-perspective-on.html
{5} http://christiansentinel.com/2018/02/22/legacy-billy-graham/ 
{6} https://www.moriel.org/itinerary/7063-moriel-scottish-conference,-gartmore-house-fri-sun-2-4-nov-2018.html
{7} https://www.amazon.co.uk/INTRA-SEAL-RAPTURE-DECEPTION-EXPOSED-devised-ebook/dp/B06X6N2JJT/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1535449633&sr=8-1&keywords=intra-seal+rapture
{8} Death of the Church Victorious, Ovid Need. Sovereign Grace Publishers,2002. p183-184.

JACOB PRASCH & DAVID NOAKES MORIEL CONFERENCE 2018! ECUMENISM BY STEALTH?

Beware of Moriel Ministries Scottish Conference at Gartmore House from Friday-Sunday, 2-4th of November 2018. The speakers are Jacob Prasch and ecumenist David Noakes. {1} Noakes is endorsed by Prasch as a valid prophetic voice! {2}

David Noakes is involved with the ecumenical pro-Israel monastic order, the Sisterhood of Mary! There is very little specific information about the Sisterhood's precise beliefs on their website. However, Wikipedia gives the following information: "The Evangelical Sisterhood of Mary is an ecumenical, Lutheran based, religious order." {3} The ecumenical movement is the enemy of Jesus Christ! Israel does not need ecumenism, it needs the true gospel!

The Sisterhood was founded by two German women, Klara Schlink and Erika Madauss, aka Mother Basilea and Mother Martyria in 1947:

https://www.kanaan.org/

"..the Evangelical Sisters of Mary continued the trend of expanded women’s involvement in the German churches, the sisterhood did not defer to the leadership of any ecclesial body, male or otherwise. The group set a further precedent by pursuing a contemplative life, rather than an active life of social service in the community, as many had expected them to do. Like many groups after World War II, the sisters embodied a greater openness to alternate forms of Christian practice. Rejecting nearly five centuries of Protestant prejudice against monasticism, the Sisters embraced poverty, celibacy, and communal, cloistered life. {4} 

David Noakes with the Sisterhood of Mary in 2016
 http://sistersofmary.org.uk/ministry/

David Noakes ministers through the Issachar Ministries Trust. He has been heavily involved with his ecumenical friend Clifford Hill and Issachar Ministries for many years. Issachar Ministries, Prophetic Word Ministries (PWM), CandM Ministries, the Centre for Contemporary Ministry (CMM) and Harvest Vision are quite a complex web of inter-connected organisations based at Moggerhanger Hall in Bedfordshire which is ecumenical. Noakes is also an advisor to Issachar Ministries which previously operated under the umbrella of PWM, and he was a director of Harvest Vision (also ecumenical) until 30th November 2000. {5} Miguel Hayworth of UK Apologetics Library has exposed the ecumenical connections of Hill and Noakes in detail. He warns: "..we need to bring this to light put into question the ministry of Clifford Hill and David Noakes and not accept at face value of CCM, ISSACHAR Ministries, Moggerhanger House, etc." {6} Another of Clifford Hill's "friends" is former Archbishop and Druid, Rowan Williams.

Clifford and Monica Hill with former Archbishop and Druid Rowan Williams

Clifford Hill founded and edited the so called "Christian magazine", Prophecy Today in 1985. He is currently PT's Editor in Chief. In common with Noakes, Hill claims to be "..one of the most respected, influential prophetic voices in the UK." {7}  

Clifford Hill - Calling Herts - Intercessors Meeting with the Sisterhood of Mary.
http://sistersofmary.org.uk/ministry/

David Noakes is well known in certain circles for his first person prophecies. This is very disconcerting for those of us who have come out of charismania! Jacob Prasch does not indulge himself in first person prophecies as far as I am aware. Nevertheless, he does make various authoritative statements that completely lack scriptural basis and context. Prasch's intra-seal rapture theory is a prime example of his blatant eisegesis. His teaching that the Holy Spirit is the "restrainer" of 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7 is purely speculative. Furthermore, his unequivocal assertion that the Holy Spirit is absent during the 70th week of Daniel and his further assertion there is no conviction of sin during this seven year period is unconscionable! The list of errors contained within intra-seal is nothing less than spectacular as demonstrated in my publication and my previous posts on the subject. {8} Since Prasch insists that his intra-seal teachings are scriptural, this puts him on a par with these dubious first person "prophets" Noakes and Hill!

David Noakes is also connected to the ecumenical Maranatha Community through its co-leader Linda Stalley. The Maranatha Community was founded in 1981 by a Methodist lay preacher and RC priest for the express purposes of UNITY! {8}

Jacob Prasch recently re-published the following shocking article by Jackie Alnor endorsing Freemason Billy Graham. {9} Moriel have now removed their link to this article:
"So in spite of our 20-20 hindsight in believing Billy Graham made the wrong call for the purity of the Church of Jesus Christ, he still deserves the honor of going down in history as the greatest evangelist of all time. That cannot be taken from him. Rest in eternal peace, Billy!!" https://www.moriel.org/articles-and-news/7029-the-legacy-of-billy-graham.html

Prasch's insistence that his former friend Chuck Smith, founder of Calvary Chapel, was not ecumenical is complete nonsense. Smith was provably ecumenical as I have demonstrated in a previous post. {10}

The above information should be a huge red flag for true believers in Jesus Christ who follow the teachings of Jacob Prasch. Unless these believers are prepared to test the spirits, they are likely to become ensnared by Prasch and his ecumenical associates. (1 John 4:4).

Below is what I believe to be the last "prophetic word" given by David Noakes. It is probably about time for him to bring another first person prophecy.. who knows, maybe it will happen at the Moriel Conference in Scotland! I strongly advise believers to avoid Noakes and the Moriel Conference altogether! I now repeat my previous question that no one at Moriel is prepared to answer: Can a true prophet of God be ecumenical?

David Noakes Prophetic Word East Grinstead 17the June 2017

"Beloved, you are living in momentous days. These are truly the days of a turning point in the affairs of your nation. It is a time of my appointing. I have allowed you to go your own way but I have never let go of you.

It must be very "humbling" to imagine oneself a prophet to a nation and to speak for God in the first person!

There are many voices in your midst which are full of pessimism and I understand that if you look upon your circumstances, pessimism is often the outcome. But I want you to perceive as I perceive.

The prophet Jeremiah was the ultimate pessimist wasn't he?

Beloved, when there is turmoil and upheaval, do not look upon it with dismay; do not look upon it with foreboding; do not look upon it with fear. But look upon it with eyes turned to me with a questioning heart: a heart questioning what your God is doing in the midst of it. For beloved, all these things taking place are under my hand. I have brought about a remarkable work in your nation in recent times. This is not accidental, nor is it sudden, but has come about at my appointed time.

I do not have accidents; I do not have coincidences; I do not have sudden unexpected events. I have appointed events, at appointed times, and I am the one who is seated in the heavens and does whatever He pleases. Do not lose heart, because I am in charge. My hand is on your nation and I have not given up my purposes for you.

I have blessed your nation in the past and truly you have been faithless but beloved, I have remained faithful. Your enemy has done much to sow lies, to sow false doctrine, to try to bring down all that is good and all that is of God. But I have kept for myself a remnant. My Word remains true for all time and all eternity and I will fulfil my purposes.

This is a time of turmoil and upheaval because your adversary is in great rage and great fear. He is in great consternation that I will use your nation to tear his purposes apart. But that is exactly what I intend to do. I intend to bring his purposes crashing down. There will be turmoil and upheaval; there will be blood in the streets; there will be anxiety amongst those who do not know that God is in charge and do not understand what I am doing.

Beloved, there cannot be victory in war without war taking place, and war is indeed taking place, because I have joined battle. I have joined battle against the forces of darkness which desire to bring your nation to nothing and I have declared I will not have it so. My purposes for you are from all eternity. I have known exactly what I will do at this time. I have known exactly what I will do in the future and I purpose to glorify my name through your nation once again.

There is not one denomination in the UK that is not tainted with ecumenism. The scriptures say specifically that there will be a falling away, and that things will get progressively worse as the end approaches, not better. (2 Thessalonians 2:3; Matthew 24). God called Israel for His glory. (Isaiah 49:3; Jeremiah 13:11). I have not seen these words applied to another nation specifically. 

Therefore do not be disheartened. Do you think of yourself as being just a little flock? Truly there is only a small remnant who hold fast to My word. But beloved, continue to hold fast to my word and pray that the purposes that I have begun to reveal will come to fruition and fulfilment, and I will visit you afresh with my Spirit.

I will visit you afresh with my Spirit that you may be empowered: Not for your glory, but for Mine. Not to build empires but to build my Church. I desire also to visit you with my Spirit that you may be instruments in my hand to go into the fields which are ripe for harvest, and bring in a harvest; for there is a harvest waiting to be brought in.

There are many in fear and trepidation and utter confusion, and I want you to be a people who know their God and do exploits. I want you to be a people of compassion; not of judgement; not of condemnation. Judgement is mine, I will repay. But I ask you to be a people of love and concern; of compassion for the lost, and of deep desire that the truth should be brought to many who will understand it and be saved. For surely there are those whom you think are your enemies, who are longing for truth.

Prophecies about a fresh move of the Spirit and revival are usually typical of false prophets within the charismatic movement. A fresh move of the Spirit cannot come about via ecumenism!

Do not be down-hearted, therefore. Do not be dispirited. Yes, I know all too well that you are surrounded by those who wish you ill. Beloved, do not heed them but look to your God who wishes you well. Look to your God who wishes them well. I desire a people who are willing to bless their enemies and to do good to those who speak evil about them.

As you do this they will see your light. Many will reject, but many will see the light in the darkness and will desire the only light they can see. For all their plans and schemes will have fallen to the ground and then they will turn to the only truth.

Do not give up therefore. Hold fast. Hold fast to Me. Hold fast to My Word. Hold fast in love and unity, to one another. Be loyal and faithful to each other. Forgive each other all offences and stand together, that as one you may show the character of your Lord and Saviour. Beloved, understand that I have not given up, and I say to you: do not give up either, but look to Me and hope in Me that I will do what I have planned." {11}

Interestingly, Moriel indulged Noakes as early as 1997, and again in 2015:

PROPHECY GIVEN BY DAVID NOAKES AT MORIEL CONFERENCE 'NEW BEGINNINGS' 1ST NOVEMBER 1997. 

http://www.liederschatz.net/prophecies/noakes.pdf

Moriel Ministry Leaders meeting November 2015.

https://www.moriel.org/component/k2/item/2629-prophecy-from-david-noakes.html

Further Reading: Moggerhanger Park http://ukapologeticslibrary.net/ecumenists-clifford-hill-david-noakes-moggerhanger-park/

{1} https://www.moriel.org/itinerary/7063-moriel-scottish-conference,-gartmore-house-fri-sun-2-4-nov-2018.html

{2} https://www.moriel.org/component/k2/item/2629-prophecy-from-david-noakes.html
{3} https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Sisterhood_of_Mary
{4} http://georgefaithful.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Evangelical-Sisterhood.pdf
{5} https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/02286386/officers
{6} http://ukapologeticslibrary.net/ecumenists-clifford-hill-david-noakes-moggerhanger-park/

{7} http://www.prophecytoday.uk/comment/editorial.html 

{8} http://www.maranathacommunity.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Maranatha-Timeline-1981-2015.pdf

{9} http://christiansentinel.com/2018/02/22/legacy-billy-graham/
{10} https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2018/08/was-chuck-smith-ecumenical-jacob-prasch.html
{11} https://prophecytoday.uk/study/prophetic-insights/item/751-prophetic-encouragement.html

JACOB PRASCH FAKE JEW!

No one who practices deceit shall dwell in my house; no one who utters lies shall continue before my eyes. (Psalm 101:7).

I now regard Jacob Prasch as a fake and a liar in every single respect. He is certainly a fake Christian, but now it appears that he is also a fake Jew!

I began my research into Jacob Prasch in 2016 when I questioned his fake intra-seal rapture teaching. I soon discovered that intra-seal contained many troubling errors. Since then I have written a number of posts on the subject. I have also questioned Prasch's relationship with ecumenists David Noakes and Clifford Hill of Issachar Ministries, {1} and recently his approval of Jackie Alnor's article endorsing Freemason Billy Graham as a valid evangelist. {2} Prasch's feigned ignorance of the true identity of John Cambridge also raised a few eyebrows. {3} Some of Prasch's associations are very puzzling indeed for someone claiming to be a solid bible expositor. One way or another, many things about Jacob Prasch do not add up. In September 2016, I came to the following conclusion: "Prasch's casuistry and equivocation, are, dare I say it, almost Jesuitical. I have come to the point where I would not take anything he says at face value." {4}

Since the David Nathan episode last year, more questions about Prasch's true motives have come into question. In particular the destructive antichristian venom that he often directs towards others has been highlighted. Many Christians have suffered at the hands of Prasch and his abusive rages over the years, and true to type, Prasch has also abused me with his often repeated "Jezebel" slur. In recent months, Prasch's deception has been exposed on a regular basis. In particular, Frank Rogers' videos on YouTube identify some specific issues! {5}

Inexplicably, Prasch retains the support of the CMFI {6} and people like Marco Quintana, John Haller, Joshua Chavez and Amos Farrell. Bill Randles association with Moriel is at an end, although he still persists in slandering David Nathan. These Praschites are the so called "leaders" who have oversight and influence over a significant part of the remnant church in these perilous times! (2 Timothy 3:1).

moriel.org: "Jacob’s family is a combination of Roman Catholic and Jewish. (In his youth he was forced to attend a Catholic school, but also attended the Jewish Community Center."{7}

Prasch: "I have two first names - James and Jacob. When I was a baby they called me James. It was Anglicised from my father's grandfather's name, Ya'kov - Jacob. It is good that I have two first names because my family is a combination of two backgrounds - Irish Catholic and Jewish." {8} On ancestry.co.uk Prasch's grandfather on his father's side is George Conrad Prasch, and on his mother's side it is Francis Joseph Connors. https://vimeo.com/330059149 (password Ancestry).

Prasch: "Now I grew up in the New York area and I was sent both to a Roman Catholic school and the Jewish community center. I had brit milah, plus I was sprinkled as a baby." {9}

Brit Milah [Hebrew: בְּרִית מִילָה] is a Jewish religious male circumcision ceremony performed by a mohel (a Jew who performs the rite of circumcision) on the eighth day of the infant's life.

In the clip below Prasch claims that he is "fluent in Hebrew", after confirming his family's background as Jewish and Roman Catholic:
vimeo.com/331578527 (password Hebrew)

Prasch's most recent books state that he has a Jewish background:
vimeo.com/331564900 (password Shadows)

Prasch's repeated claim of having a Jewish background has now been thrown into serious doubt.

The record lists Prasch's father as James Aloysius Prasch 1926-1988 from New Jersey USA.

There is no indication in the record that he was Jewish. Indeed the Prasch gravestone is situated in a Catholic graveyard complete with masonic symbol.
vimeo.com/330059149 (password Ancestry)

findagrave.com/memorial/96902950/james-a-prasch

Above: Prasch's uncle on his father's side - John Gilbert Prasch.

A Freemason and definitely not Jewish!

Someone going by the name of Truth Dispenser left the following comment on Frank Rogers' recent video. I am informed that these details come from inside the Prasch camp and concern a cover up by Moriel staff:

"Despite what he claims, people very close to Prasch have covered his deceit for years because James (Jimmy) A. Prasch comes from a Catholic family with no Jewish blood.
Both parents were catholic going back many generations.
Prasch is not a Jewish surname and his dad who was a New York cop was buried in St Mary's catholic cemetery. In fact, Prasch is named after his dad and BOTH have the same middle name of Aloysius after the catholic saint of the same name.
His dad's memorial stone also shows his older brother's name and has the sign of The Cross and the Freemason's compasses on it.
The New Jersey synagogues have no record of a catholic boy of that name converting to Judaism or receiving his bar mitzvah.
This will come as a shock to the many people who followed Prasch, because they thought he was Jewish. When he first began the charade many years ago, he called himself Yacov - and many still call him that in England.
When he was challenged about it, he then changed his name to Jacob, which most people now call him, but his family and old friends continue to call him by his real name of Jimmy.
Yes, he married a Jewish girl he met in Israel. Yes, they lived in Galilee and yes, he has learned some Hebrew and Yiddish.
But that's as far as it goes." {10}

Anonymous left comment on my blog on the 12th of April:

"Another question that is really not asked is does James (Jimmy) Prasch truly have Jewish ancestry in his family?
Jacobs mother was a faithful Roman Catholic and his father James Prasch SR was of no apparent faith at all.
Jimmy's mom and dad would have been married in a Roman Catholic Church and a priest back in those days would never have married a Roman Catholic to a Jewish man.
Now James wife Pavia is for sure Jewish so maybe after James married Pavia he adopted the Jewish faith and then eventually both James and Pavia would convert to Christianity.
Jacobs real name is listed here on his mom's obituary.
Maureen A. Prasch (Nee:Connors)
Lakewood - Maureen A. Prasch (Nee:Connors); 86, passed away peacefully on Saturday, April 28th at the Center for Hope Hospice in Elizabeth, NJ, surrounded by her loving family.
Maureen was born and raised in Bayonne, NJ. She moved to Highlands, NJ where she lived until her retirement in 1989. Before eventually settling in Lakewood, NJ, she spent her early retired years extensively travelling the U.S. and lived briefly on Whidbey Island in Washington State, and in Venice, Hollywood Beach and West Palm Beach, FL.
She was a retired Scheduler for NY and NJ Port Authority for over 21 years. She loved New York City and spent much of her free time there enjoying it. She was a patriotic American who bore a deep love for her Irish heritage. She travelled to Ireland many times and was an avid fan of its music, dance and literary culture.
Beloved Mother of James A. Prasch, Jr., Theresa Prasch Ward, Robert C. Prasch, & Sandra O'Connor Carey. Devoted Grandmother of Beth Miel, Eli Prasch, Kieran Prasch, Ashlyn Ward & Rhiannon O'Connor. Adoring Great-Grandmother of Joshua Miel. Loving Sister of Catherine Connors and the late Michael, Charles, Brian, Francis, and Cornelius Connors, Theresa Boyle, Anne Halecki, and Margaret Carstens. Dear Sister-In-Law of Peter Halecki. She is also survived by many Nieces & Nephews.
Relatives and friends are invited to attend the Viewing on Wednesday, May 2nd from
4 - 8 PM at the G. Keenen O'Brien Funeral Home, 984 Avenue C, Bayonne. A Funeral Mass will be offered on Thursday, May 3rd at 11 AM at St. Vincent's Church. Private Cremation.
Published in Asbury Park Press on May 1, 2018
So Jacob maybe adopted the name Jacob so he could be called Yacov and sell himself as a Jewish American teacher?
Again keeping in mind his wife Pavia is very smart and teaches Hebrew and Mathematics in the UK where Jimmy still lives.
Jimmy is a citizen of the UK not of American and has no American address unless you include David Listers address where Jimmy will stay on occasion.
Interesting the bag of goods people have been sold for decades.
Jimmy has always been an angry person.

I hope he gets better "

Prasch has falsely linked his ancestral name with Pharisee. {11} Wikipedia: "The Pharisee ("separatist") party emerged largely out of the group of scribes and sages. Their name comes from the Hebrew and Aramaic parush or parushi, which means 'one who is separated.'" {12} However, my research has revealed no connection between the name parush/parushi and Prasch. This is another piece of fiction! The origin of Prasch is unknown - the name is most prevalent in the USA, Germany and Austria. {13}

The name on Prasch's birth certificate is James Aloysius Prasch. The alumni roll from St Mary’s Star of The Sea Roman Catholic School in Prasch's home town of Bayonne, New Jersey confirms his name on the second column near the end of 1967. "Aloysius is a French baby name. In French the meaning of the name Aloysius is: Famous warrior, from the Old German 'Chlodovech'. Aloysius is the name of the Italian Saint Aloysius of Gonzaga, and common among British Roman Catholics." {14} "Saint Aloysius de Gonzaga, SJ (Italian: Luigi Gonzaga; 9 March 1568 – 21 June 1591) was an Italian aristocrat who became a member of the Society of Jesus." {15} I am sure that many are aware, the Roman Catholic Order the Society of Jesus are the infamous Jesuits.

Despite his questionable claim of Jewish descent, I fear that Prasch is no true friend of the Jewish people at all! His despicable attempt at foisting the Metatron onto the Jewish people in place of Jesus Christ under the guise of "evangelism" says it all! Messianic Jew, David Nathan (Bread of Life Ministries) felt the full force of Prasch's viscous nature after he announced that he was leaving Moriel Ministries, and consequently Prasch's sphere of influence.

I find some interesting parallels between Jacob Prasch and Haman (Hebrew: המן‎ Hâmân; also known as Haman the Agagite or Haman the evil). Haman, was the main antagonist in the Book of Esther and a descendant of Agag, the Nephilim king of the Amalekites, the bitterest enemies of the Jews. (1 Samuel 15:8). Haman's hatred of the Jews qualifies him as a type of the Antichrist. Ironically, Haman means to rage, be turbulent. Strong's 2001a {16}

Then Harbona, one of the eunuchs in attendance on the king, said, “Moreover, the gallows that Haman has prepared for Mordecai, whose word saved the king, is standing at Haman’s house, fifty cubits high.” And the king said, “Hang him on that.” (Esther 7:9).

In Susa the citadel itself the Jews killed and destroyed 500 men, and also killed Parshandatha and Dalphon and Aspatha and Poratha and Adalia and Aridatha and Parmashta and Arisai and Aridai and Vaizatha, the ten sons of Haman the son of Hammedatha, the enemy of the Jews, but they laid no hand on the plunder. (Esther 9:6-10).

Will Jacob Prasch finally be hoisted with his own petard?

The LORD watches over the sojourners; he upholds the widow and the fatherless, but the way of the wicked he brings to ruin. (Psalm 146:9).

UPDATE 16th July 2020:

Prasch's Fake Jewish Paternal Ancestry ~ bogus Nazi document and Israeli ID: 

https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2020/07/jacob-prasch-metatron-in-place-of-jesus.html

1. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2018/09/jacob-prasch-david-noakes-moriel.html
2. http://christiansentinel.com/2018/02/22/legacy-billy-graham/
3. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2018/12/jacob-prasch-moriel-ministries-who-is.html
4. https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2016/09/jacob-prasch-moriel-ministries-further.html
5. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0AyZLfWyyB9XXdZR-ODXNA
6. https://www.moriel.org/articles-and-news/7157-statement-of-cmfi-concerning-moriel,-april-2019.html
7. https://www.moriel.org/about/19-general/5992-about-jacob-prasch.html
8. Jacob Prasch: Israel, The Church & The Jews 2008 page 263
9. https://www.moriel.org/questions/questions-for-jewish-people/questions-for-jewish-people-introduction.html
10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmml7O2_zAc&app=desktop
11. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p5RuQKlfjA&app=desktop
12. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees
13. http://www.namespedia.com/details/Prasch
14. https://www.sheknows.com/baby-names/name/aloysius/
15. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloysius_Gonzaga
16. https://biblehub.com/hebrew/2001a.htm

Revelation TV Alleged Misuse of Funds and False Teaching - Updated

Revelation TV (RTV) is Britain’s first televangelist station which is facing investigation into misuse of funds according to The Independent. Following complaints from viewers, The Charity Commission opened a statutory investigation on September the 8th into the Revelation Foundation over claims that the charity is being used for private gain. A statutory investigation is the most serious form of inquiry available to the Charity Commission. In a statement, the regulator said it had scrutinised the Revelation Foundation’s accounts and had identified a number of concerns including “potential significant loss of charitable funds, trustee benefits, conflicts of interest and connected party transactions." On their website the Charity Commission say that they are unlikely to act on complaints without evidence of concerns: “We will not act on unsubstantiated allegations, rumour or opinion…..” http://forms.charitycommission.gov.uk/detailed-guidance/protecting-your-charity/complaints-about-charities-cc47/.” It will be very interesting for those people who have previously donated money to RTV to see the results of this inquiry.

Revelation TV was launched in 2003 by husband and wife Howard and Lesley Conder. Since that time RTV has been censured five times by the regulator between 2004 and 2009. Among the upheld complaints were the use of offensive language to describe homosexuals and the use of graphic images of aborted foetuses in an item aired before a children’s programme. I cannot comment on these complaints because I did not see the “offending” programmes. Very conveniently, RTV moved outside Ofcom’s jurisdiction in 2010 and is now licensed in Spain, although it still has a studio in Surbiton, Surrey. It is currently regulated by the Audiovisual Council of Andalucia although it continues to be broadcast in Britain.

CONTROVERSY ABOUT REVELATION TV HAS NOT BEEN LIMITED TO THE SECULAR WORLD BY ANY MEANS!

RTV has also been the subject of much consternation amongst a number of Bible believing Christians for some time. According to a statement on its website, the Revelation Foundation’s trustees “are all committed Bible-believing Christians with a vision for proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ through television and other electronic media.” I would take issue with this statement for the following reasons:

REVELATION TV AND ROMAN CATHOLICISM

RTV’S OUTRAGEOUS PROPOSAL: It is acceptable for Christians to attend a local Roman Catholic Church!

Alan Franklin: “Revelation TV needs more revelation on sound doctrine – and Reachout Trust needs to be more discerning when broadcasting.”

“Doug Harris, who ran a discernment ministry, failed to explain, when broadcasting on Revelation TV, that Catholicism is the world’s largest pseudo-Christian cult. Here’s what Doug said on TV in answer to this question: ‘Is it okay for a born again Christian to worship in a Catholic Church if it's the only church local and no transport?’ The answer shocked many viewers.

Doug Harris, who has since died, answered: ‘Yes.’ Howard Conder: ‘Thank you.’ The conversation continued: Doug: 'I think it is this idea of feeling that we, as Protestants, we are all against Catholics; we are not. I 've met many people that I've witnessed to, that they are Christians as we've talked and only afterwards they told me they are Catholics. We do have to be careful - does the Catholic Church sometimes do things that we would may be feel are extra biblical and that? - Yes.

I can understand why people have question marks, but in the end if it's the only place around, if there's nowhere else to go, maybe you should go and get fellowship there. In the end you really have to be led by the Holy Spirit: what we say isn't God's Word to you, we pass our opinions.

If you are comfortable in the Holy Spirit doing that, fine. Be aware, there might be some things that you would totally disagree with from the biblical point of view but at the same time maybe you just need that fellowship and you need that encouragement, you need that place where you need to be with other people.’ End of transcript.” http://www.thefreepressonline.co.uk/news/1/2297.htm

In their series “Great Souls”, RTV featured the life and works of Roman Catholic nun Mother Teresa. Mother Teresa was well known for her supposed "good works” but she was not a born again Christian. http://www.revelationtv.com/programmes/episode/great-souls---mother-teresa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idh2Gz3oJ9g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfivxyasp1g

REVELATION TV’S VALIDATION OF FALSE TEACHERS/PROPHETS

RTV have facilitated many so called “ministries” which are apostate by giving air time to people such as proven false prophet and necromancer Benny Hinn, Jesse Duplantis, Andrew Wommack, Joyce Myer, Exploits TV (Christine Darg), The 700 Club, Covenant Christian Centre (Word-faith teacher Poju Oyemade), the deadly Derek Prince (of Curses and Blessings fame) and Sid Roth “It’s Supernatural” to name but a few.

Left to to Right:  Duplantis, Hinn and Hagee

RTV regularly broadcasts adulterer John Hagee. Hagee has bowed to Rome and seeks "greater unity among Catholics and evangelicals". Hagee also denies that Jesus Christ is the Messiah of Israel! For all their talk about the sin of homosexuality, no one at RTV says anything about Hagee's betrayal of the gospel or his adulterous marriage! I am not defending the sin of homosexuality, but I should point out that the Bible condemns adulterers just as much as it does homosexuals:

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality…..(1 Corinthians 6/9, see also Mark 10/11)

RTV are “in conversation” with Seventh Day Adventists and they have previously aired Roman Catholics. They promote the controversial Alpha Course and I notice that they have recently validated the false ministry of recently deceased money preacher Myles Munroe. RTV also validates ecumenical wolf in sheep’s clothing Billy Graham. It is precisely this kind of hypocrisy that has ruined the Christian witness of RTV for many ex-viewers and supporters.

In contrast RTV’s treatment of true Bible teachers is abominable. In 2010 Lesley Conder had the audacity to publicly “rebuke” Justin Peters following his correct expose of false teachers in an interview with Doug Harris on Genesis TV’s “Live @ Nine” Programme. RTV actually took this programme off air while broadcasting. https://archive.org/details/RevelationTvsLesleyCondorRebukesJustinPeters 11thFebruary2010?start=59.5

Three years ago Howard Conder decided to air false teacher Jesse Duplantis despite many protests from viewers. One of Jesse Duplantis’ ridiculous stories is that he claims to have ascended to heaven in a cable car! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAQuIyobjFc Viewers complaints about the airing of Duplantis were completely ignored and overruled. As a result of their preference for false teachers, RTV lost a number of first class Bible teachers who have refused appear on Revelation TV whilst they aired Duplantis. At that point in time I decided that Howard Conder and his cronies were more interested in the £ than the truth.

RTV’s money raising tactics have raised some eyebrows in that until recently they dedicated hours and hours of air time unrelentingly to raising money on their programme “Building the Foundation”. Apart from warnings about keeping money in the right perspective, there is very little said about it at all in the New Testament (Hebrews 13/5, 1 Timothy 6/10, 2 Timothy 2/1-2 etc). This constant touting for money from the so called "Christian" TV channels is quite frankly very manipulative and abusive - in many cases they are building their own kingdoms rather than the kingdom of God. Gordon Pettie, Chairman of the Revelation Foundation:  ".....we're not in the business to make money, but to teach the Gospel." Which Gospel might that be precisely?

FOOD FOR THOUGHT

Revelation TV used to play this advert: “Do you know that broadcasting your programme on Revelation TV, may not cost as much as you think? For as little as £250 for a 28 minute programme, you can get your church or your business on TV. We also provide all your production needs including studio-hire, everything you need to get your message out to the public. For further details call 0207 631 4446 or 0790 363 6342.”

About 6 years ago, Howard and Lesley Conder/Gordon and Lorna Pettie announced on their fundraising programme, Building The Foundation, that they were not going to take any further salaries from Revelation TV. They said that they earned their living by other means and could afford to do that (this announcement was repeated once or twice a year). I heard Lesley Conder say on another occasion when she was questioned that their salaries came from advertising.

Howard and Lesley Conder own a private TV company called 21st Century Television Ltd which sells Revelation TV’s airtime. Please download the Revelation TV Programme-Guide from the Revelation TV website to see how many non-Revelation TV programmes there are. It comes to about 60 hours per week. Making a conservative guesstimate on the assumption that everyone purchasing air time pays the lowest rate (£250 for 28mins = £500 per hour) 60 x £500 = £30,000 per week =
£1,560,000 per year......... 

These monies have NOT appeared on the INCOME/EXPENDITURE pie charts presented by Gordon Pettie. I think this is very misleading to viewers who are under the impression that Revelation TV are desperately in need of donations. 

http://www.revelationtv.com/programmes/episode/the-qa-show720984
Watch at about 17minutes in for Gordon Pettie's presention of this financial information.

"I myself became suspicious when their yearly financial report showed huge salaries being given to the founders children, and the founder switching large sums of money between another private company they had and revelation TV."
http://vesselanaw.wordpress.com/2015/01/03/revelation-tv-investigated-for-misuse-of-funds-tim-vince-left/

QUESTION: Why has Tim Vince who became part of RTV's leadership team in August 2013 recently left RTV without any announcement or explanation whatsoever after years of involvement? 

If the above is not enough, I do have a further issue with RTV. I find it very odd indeed that the logo for Revelation TV contains so many sixes and occult symbols!

The letter "R" is the 18th letter of the English alphabet; 18 is critically important to occultists because it is 6+6+6. The encasement of a symbol within in a circle is also an occult practice.

There are twelve (6 x 2) five pointed stars surrounding the letter R .....  12 x 5 = 60. Now look at the bottom left of the picture opposite and you find yet another 6!

The five pointed star, also known as the pentagram is probably the most blatant occult symbol in use today. The pentagram is also a prominent symbol in Freemasonry.

The inverted pentacle is often associated with the Church of Satan or the Devil, The two lower points pointing upward are said to represent the horns of Horned God Cernunnos (the Celtic pagan god). There are at least seven inverted pentacles floating around the RTV logo that I can make out…… this is quite incomprehensible for a so called “Christian” TV station!

The occult symbolism associated with the RTV Logo is on the background of the Union Jack flag. Watch this three minute video by watchman4wales: 666 Matrix - Antichrist and the Union Jack http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsohF5cyUSY    

UPDATE

Revelation TV's attempt to block the Charity Commission's investigation by calling for an internal review has failed:

"Decision made by the Charity Commission on 9 December 2014
The Commission opened a statutory inquiry into the Charity using its powers under s.46 of the Charities Act 2011.
The Charity sought a decision review on the basis that it objected to the opening of the inquiry and therefore the Commission conducted a review under its review procedures.
The Reviewers considered the objections as well as further information submitted with the request for a review and concluded that the decision to open the inquiry was a reasonable, proportionate and lawful decision, properly taken.
The Reviewers also concluded that were a decision to be made to open the inquiry at the date of the decision review, the grounds and evidence continued to support such a decision."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/revelation-foundation/revelation-foundation-charity-commission-decision

FOLLOW UP POSTS:

The Saul Syndrome - Howard Conder's Wilful Rebellion Against God: http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/the-saul-syndrome-howard-conders.html
Charity Commission To Appoint Interim Manager: http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/revelation-tv-howard-conder-says.h
Howard Conder's Token Apology: http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/howard-conder-revelation-tv-apology-for.html
Gordon Pettie And The Barlow Clowes Fraud: http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/more-revelations-about-revelation-tv.html
Sarah Acott Blows The Whistle: http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/alleged-dishonesty-and-deception-are.html
Howard Conder's Delusional Comparison With The Prophet Elijah!
http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/revelation-tv-howard-conders-delusional.html
Howard Conder's Vile Threats Against His Critics: http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/revelation-tv-howard-conder-breathes.html
Howard Conder's Twisted Theology And More Accusations: http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/revelation-tv-howard-conder-twisted.html


Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 John 4/1)

Dear Reader – Do you have questions about Jesus Christ and how to be truly saved? If so, then please read my post: GOD'S PLAN OF SALVATION THROUGH JESUS CHRIST

http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/gods-plan-of-salvation-through-jesus.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/

http://realchristianity.wordpress.com/2010/02/12/justin-peters-wrong-to-name-names-on-revelation-tv/
http://www.ecalpemos.org/2006/10/why-i-decided-to-stop-supporting.html
http://www.revelationtv.com/rnews/entry/the-60-most-influential-christians 
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/revelation.tv.horrified.by.misuse.of.funds.allegations/42933.htm
http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/derek-prince-false-teacher-wolf-in.html
http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/the-circus-comes-to-town-false-prophet.html
http://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/deceiver-billy-graham-exposed.html
https://dub121.mail.live.com/?tid=cmFjxYShFw5BGAlwAiZMKAUg2&fid=flinbox
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pages/deception/john-hagee-and-dual-covenant-theology.htm
http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends73%5C0001100573_AC_20131231_E_C.pdf
http://www.thebibleistheotherside.org/newsitem37.htm

LEIGHTON FLOWERS VS JAMES WHITE JOHN 6:44 UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION?

Leighton Flowers VS James White: The John 6:44 Debate | Does John 6:44 Teach Unconditional Election? (youtube.com)

"Leighton Flowers VS James White: The John 6:44 Debate | Does John 6:44 Teach Unconditional Election?" 

Got Questions definition of unconditional election: "God, before the foundation of the world, chose to make certain individuals the objects of His unmerited favor or special grace. These individuals from every tribe, tongue and nation were chosen by God for adoption, not because of anything they would do but because of His sovereign will. God could have chosen to save all men (He certainly has the power and authority to do so), and He could have chosen to save no one (He is under no obligation to save anyone). He instead chose to save some and leave others to the consequences of their sin."1 

James White's theological debates include Calvinism, Roman Catholicism, Islam, Mormonism, infant baptism, the King James Only movement, Jehovah's Witnesses, and atheism. White has described Leighton Flowers as a "one-string banjo" referring to what he describes as his "obsessive" mission against Calvinism. Flowers attempted to make the debate more light-hearted by giving White a gift of a one-string banjo. However, at the end of the debate, White refused to accept it. White's "one string banjo" quip was doubtless thrown out as an insult, but Flowers apparent approval of other false doctrines is odd. For my part, I am unable to reconcile Flowers hyper-focused fight for truth in one aspect (Calvinism), and his apparent approval of error in another (ecumenism). (Acts 20:27). I was so troubled by this disconnect in 2018 that I have not paid him much attention since that time. 

Below is an excerpt from my previous post in 2018: 

  

"One would expect Flowers to have a bible verse on the 'Our Beliefs' page of his website, but his primary text is a quotation from AW Tozer! In fact there are many scripture references, but no actual bible quotations on this page at all.

I notice that Flowers also frequently quotes CS Lewis in his videos. Both CS Lewis and AW Tozer were ecumenists and closet mystics. As I look down the list of non-Calvinistic scholars Flowers lists as reading material, I am very troubled indeed. For example, he lists false teachers such as ecumenist Billy Graham, false deliverance teacher Derek Prince, ecumenist Greg Laurie, open theist and annihilationist Clark Pinnock, ecumenist Ravi Zacharias, ecumenist David Jeremiah.. I could go on.. and on... This tells me that Calvinism is not the only serious problem that needs to be addressed within the Southern Baptist denomination. The ecumenical movement is THE biggest threat to biblical Christianity in our time, and yet inexplicably, Flowers actively promotes ecumenical teachers and apostates on his website!"2 

The Debate

All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” They said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me— (John 6:37-45).

White: "Has the historical understanding of John chapter 6 since the Reformation.. is that a proper reading of the text?" This opening question was very telling in that it indicates that White's presuppositions are inhibited by his Calvinistic tradition.

White opened by emphasizing that there is no break or contradiction in verse 44 i.e. the group drawn by the Father is the same group that is raised up on the last day, namely the Jews who had been drawn by the Father via the prophets. Based on his understanding of John 6:44, White's view is that no distinction exists between the (passive recipients ?) being drawn by the Father, those being taught, those hearing and those learning in verse 45.   

Flowers opened by identifying God as the initiator and the hearers as the responders. His position is that the Jewish crowd in John 5:43 rejected God due to their own fault because they were unwilling. (31:00 mark) In contrast, White's presupposition from Calvin (originally Augustine) is that sinful people reject God by default. Flowers also quoted Calvinist John MacArthur: "Sinful man is pre-programmed by God to believe lies." Flowers appealed to various proof texts as evidence that the Jewish crowd was responsible for responding to Jesus.

I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. (John 5:43).

 

But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, John 1:12 ..  cf. Ezekiel 18:32

For this people’s heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed; lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.’ (Acts 28:27).

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! (Matthew 23:37 cf. Isaiah 30:15). 

Flowers: "Notice this hardened condition of Israel is not a universal default condition of all humanity from birth. It is a purposeful divine judicial judgement upon a rebellious people at a particular place in time to bring about Calvary through their rebellion.."  (Luke 19:41-42; John 12:39). This also explains why Jesus spoke in parables to the crowds. (Mark 4:34). Flowers also referred to Romans 11: ..as it is written, “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day.” (Romans 11:8). As a result of their rebellion, the Jews were ..ever seeing but never perceiving. (Mark 4:12). 

Flowers: "There is only one point of distinction.. why does God give certain people to the Son?" He continued.. "those who believed in the Father are given to the Son". Calvinism reverses the stated order given in the text i.e. regeneration precedes belief. From the Calvinist perspective draw = regeneration, whereas draw is given a different definition in the text.. i.e. those drawn are those who have heard and learned = those who have responded. 

Flowers position on John 6:44 ~ The Jewish crowd is not given to Christ because of their continued refusal to believe all that the Father has taught them (through Moses and the prophets).

White's position on John 6:44 ~  The Jewish crowd is unable to believe by default because they are not given to Christ.

Ex-Calvinist Bible Scholar Reviews James White Vs. Leighton Flowers Debate: John 6:44

https://youtube.com/live/ir0m-1h5wSU?feature=share

The subsequent review of this debate by Biblical Studies expert Dr Joel Korytko, although rather technical, is significant. In it, he identifies various critical weaknesses in White's arguments. White's smoke and mirrors strategy i.e. his technical knowledge of Greek grammar was a tactic that ultimately backfired. It became apparent during Korytko's review that White's frequent references to Greek grammar were not only superfluous and misleading, but were even incorrect at times. Korytko asserted that White's detailed information about aorist present participles in John is not remotely related to the debate and was an unnecessary distraction. In addition, Korytko pointed out that John 6:44-45 does not give evidence of volition. 

 

The Old Testament background to John 6:45 - the Prophets  

It is written in the Prophets: ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from Him comes to Me— (John 6:45).

Then all your sons will be taught by the LORD.. (Isaiah 54:13 cf. Joel 3:1-2; Jeremiah 31:4; John 2:20). Isaiah 54:13 is an eschatological prophecy referring to Israel's ultimate salvation in their post-conversion state. (Zechariah 12:10). John 6:45 omits "all your sons" and simultaneously refers to the eschatological prophecy as a present reality (inaugurated eschatology) via the new covenant. This verse presupposes the willingness of present believers, as well as the future inhabitants of the New Jerusalem, to be taught by the Lord. Biblia: "Essentially the same promise is given in Joel 3:1-2, and Jeremiah 31:34; and represented in 1 John 2:20 ('Ye have the anointing of the Holy One, and know all things') as already fulfilled."3 

The LORD appeared to us in the past, saying: “I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have drawn you with loving devotion. (Jeremiah 31:3 - Berean Standard Version).

The ESV does not convey the meaning of draw in Jeremiah 31:3. However, several other versions translate the equivalent of the NT word elkusō (draw) Hebrew mashak. Jeremiah 31 sets the stage for the new covenant and the ultimate regathering of Israel. Critically Jeremiah 31:3 powerfully illustrates that the sense of mashak/elkusō (draw) is to lovingly persuade. There is no indication of irresistible grace aka effectual calling in this verse. 

Bengel's Gnomen: The same word occurs in the Septuag., Song of Solomon 1:4, εἵλκυσάν σε, [Engl. Vers.] “Draw me, we will run after Thee;” Jeremiah 31:3, “I have loved thee with an everlasting love, therefore with loving-kindness have I drawn thee” [in Septuag. ch. 38:3, εἵλκυσά σε εἰς οἰκτείρημα]. 4  

pantes and pas

'And they will all (pantes) be taught by God.’ Everyone (pas) who has heard the Father and learned from Him comes to Me— (John 6:45).

Flowers seemed to get rather flustered by White's use of pantes (all) and pas (everyone) (1:38 mark). Flowers has now modified his view and he accepts that all and everyone are in fact the same group. Few teachers are humble enough to publicly admit their errors, and we should give Flowers credit for his subsequent U-turn. Korytko effectively simplified this misunderstanding by appealing to the eschatological reality of John, i.e. everyone taught by God is the same group who have heard and learned from the Father and come to Jesus.           

heard and learned

Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from Him comes to Me. (John 6:45).  

White's false assumption is that heard and learned are passive verbs i.e. those who have heard and learned are the passive recipients of the Father's instruction. In context, everyone is the subject of the sentence. Everyone actively performs the action of coming to Jesus after hearing and learning from the Father.

Other parts of the New Testament emphasize how we hear (active) indicating volition, or whether people have ears to hear. The formula "He who has ears to hear"  (Matthew 13:9; Mark 4:9 etc.) suggests more than ordinary powers of thought to comprehend.5  

Take care then how you hear (akouete), for to the one who has, more will be given, and from the one who has not, even what he thinks that he has will be taken away. (Luke 8:18).

And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, my Chosen One; listen (akouete) to him!” (Luke 9:35 cf. Luke 9:44; Deuteronomy 32:46-47; Proverbs 2:2-5).

For this people’s heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them. (Matthew 13:15).

Thayers Greek Lexicon: "The Johannean phrase ἀκούειν παρά τοῦ Θεοῦ, or τί παρά Θεοῦ, signifies a. to perceive in the soul the inward communication of God: John 6:45."6 

Rightly handling the word of truth

White claims that taking verses 44 and 45 out of order in John 6 is inconsistent: "He (Flowers) begins at verse 45, assigns it a meaning, and then reads it back into the text, skipping over everything that comes previously". 

Korytko: "Verse 45 is the support for the previous statement.. this phrase is almost parallel to the previous one, they're supposed to interpret each other. Reading backwards is fine here because they are mutually interpreting each other.7  

White makes a similar argument regarding comparisons between John 6:44 and John 12:32.

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. (John 6:44).

And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself. (John 12:32).

White's hermeneutic of John is based on a rigid chronological verse-by-verse interpretation of the book in its historical context. While linear methodologies are useful in interpreting other passages of scripture, John has profound layers of meaning that simply do not lend themselves to this strategy. So when White claims that it is inconsistent to "jump six chapters into the future to a completely different context" from Jesus' Jewish audience in chapter 6 to all (Jews and  Greeks) in chapter 12, he ignores the circular nature of John's narrative and he misses the forest for the trees. (2 Timothy 2:15). Korytko: "In John, he is teaching a theology from the time of the present.. it is interacting with some of the things that Jesus said and also John's own spin on things."  (48:00 mark).

White's comparison with John 6:39-40 does not prove irresistible grace (TULIP) and is equally problematic regarding volition: And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day. For it is My Father's will that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”   

        

The main focus for Calvinists is the verb "draw" (helkó) = I drag, draw, pull, persuade, unsheathe.8 Clearly, no one can be saved unless the Father draws them, but as we have seen from the Old Testament background, White's view that believers are compelled to respond to God's drawing is to make the false assumption that helkó invariably means to irresistibly drag. White's removal of the necessity for a response eliminates free will and human cooperation. The other passage where helkó is used in a moral sense is in John 12:32, where all people are the object of the sentence. Since universalism is not an option, the context of helkó determines its meaning. 

 

And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw (elkusō) all people to myself. (John 6:44).

Cambridge Bible: "There are two Greek words for ‘draw’ in the N.T., one of which necessarily implies violence, the other does not: it is the latter that is used here and in John 6:44; the former (suró) is used Acts 14:19; Acts 17:6. Man’s will is free; he can refuse to be drawn: and there is no violence; the attraction is moral. We see from John 6:44 that before the ‘lifting up’ it is the Father who draws men to the Son."9  

Ellicott: "The word 'draw' need not perplex us; and all the theories opposed to the width of divine love and influence, and to the freedom of human will and action, which have been built upon it, are at once seen to be without support, when we remember that the only other passage in the New Testament where it occurs in a moral sense is in the declaration: 'And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto Me'" (John 12:32).10 

“That this ‘drawing’ is not irresistible grace, is confessed even by Augustine himself, the great upholder of the doctrines of grace. ‘If a man is drawn, says an objector, he comes against his will. (We answer) if he comes unwillingly, he does not believe: if he does not believe, he does not come. For we do not run to Christ on our feet, but by faith; not with the movement of the body, but with the free will of the heart…Think not that thou are drawn against thy will; the mind can be drawn by love.’” (Alford)

f. Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me: Those who have a revelation from God the Father will come to His Son and Perfect Representative. f. Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me: Those who have a revelation from God the Father will come to His Son and Perfect Representative. To hear and learn from the Son is to hear and learn from the Father.   

Expositors Greek Testament: "But whether it is also true that everyone whom God teaches comes is not here stated; the καὶ μαθὼν introduces a doubtful element. [Wetstein quotes from Polybius διαφέρει τὸ μαθεῖν τοῦ μόνον ἀκοῦσαι.]"11 

Both Flowers and White agreed that drawing is the teaching, or as White put it, "communicating facts and data". Flowers added, "the gospel is the power of God unto salvation". I would not isolate teaching as the single element required for salvation. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God.. (Ephesians 2:8).

Matthew Poole: "..unless it be illuminated and drawn by the Spirit of God. No soul is able of itself to discern spiritual things.."12   

One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul. (Acts 16:14). 

I am not implying that Lydia was compelled to respond, as Calvinists assert, but without the Lord's direct intervention in opening Lydia's heart, she would not have been converted. 

The evidence summarized    

The circular style of the gospel John does not necessitate a rigid verse by verse interpretation: James White says We Can't Read Backwards (youtube.com)

Several New Testament passages talk about everyone responding to the gospel. 

The Greek grammar is not relevant to the debate: James White uses Greek (youtube.com)

helkó (draw) is not compulsive.

hearing and learning are not passive verbs in this context. James White Thinks Hearing and Learning are Passive (youtube.com)

John 6:44-45 does not demonstrate volition. 

1. Unconditional election - is it biblical? | GotQuestions.org

2. WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING: FALSE PROPHETS AND BIBLE TEACHERS IN THE LAST DAYS: THE COMPROMISE OF LEIGHTON FLOWERS! SOTERIOLOGY 101 (bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com)
3. Exegetical and Hermeneutical Commentary of Isaiah 54:13 – Bible Commentary (biblia.work)
4. John 6 Bengel's Gnomon of the New Testament (biblehub.com)
5. Matthew 11:15 Commentaries: "He who has ears to hear, let him hear. (biblehub.com)
6. Strong's Greek: 191. ἀκούω (akouó) -- to hear, listen (biblehub.com)
7. Ex-Calvinist Bible Scholar Reviews James White Vs. Leighton Flowers Debate: John 6:44 (youtube.com)
8. Strong's Greek: 1670. ἑλκύω (helkó) -- to drag (biblehub.com)
9. John 12 Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges (biblehub.com)
10. John 6:44 Commentaries: "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. (biblehub.com)
11. John 6:45 Commentaries: "It is written in the prophets, 'AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me. (biblehub.com)
12. Jeremiah 31:3 Commentaries: The LORD appeared to him from afar, saying, "I have loved you with an everlasting love; Therefore I have drawn you with lovingkindness. (biblehub.com)

Further Links

Why I Think Calvinism Is Unbiblical (youtube.com)

A Scholar Corrects James White on John 6 (youtube.com)

I Misunderstood James White (youtube.com)

Joel Korytko, PhD - Northwest Institute for Ministry Education ResearchNorthwest Institute for Ministry Education Research (nimer.ca)