Friday 21 December 2018
WHO WILL DISCIPLINE JACOB PRASCH? BY LOUIS ERASMUS
Louis Erasmus speaks out about Jacob Prasch's scandalous lack of accountability. I am posting this in support of Louis, who is yet another example of a brother who has been badly maligned and abused by Prasch's infamous judgements upon others. My only reservation is that I cannot agree with Louis' assessment about the timing of the rapture and his hurtful remark about Joe Schimmel of Good Fight Ministries. I regard Joe Schimmel as an excellent teacher of God's Word.
Thursday 20 December 2018
FACT CHECKING JACOB PRASCH BY CLOSINGSTAGES
In 2016 Jacob Prasch endorsed Kay Arthur (1) whom by that time had already been deemed questionable, to say the least, due to her sharing the stage with many contemplative and emergent leaders. (2) All of which Jacob teaches against. Not to mention that Kay Arthur has joined with Beth Moore, not only sharing a platform (Deeper Still) (3) but even writing a book “Faithful, Abundant, True: Three Lives Going Deeper Still” (4). Now in 2018 he’s still endorsing her and in the same breath condemns Beth Moore and yet both of these women have been working together for sometime, sharing conferences and writing a book together!
In his “teaching” titled :Usurping Headship” (5) at the 52:13 mark: Prasch states:
“you look at this, Joyce Meyer, Beth Moore, Cindy Jacobs, they’re all propagating false doctrine. All of them propagating false doctrine. Now there are women ministries that are valid, people like Kay Arthur, I have no problem with them. They teach women.”
How is it possible that Jacob can endorse someone who shares a platform and co-authors a book with a known false teacher “propagating false doctrine”, his own words? By the way the book was published in 2010 so it’s not like this was something that has happened recently and he just wasn’t aware. Does anyone, who allows him in their pulpits, fact check this man? Is he sending women off to contemplative prayer? The question then needs to be asked how can Jacob condemn Moore but endorse Arthur…isn’t it all leaven? How can two walk together unless they agree? (6) Who’s fact checking him? Who’s protecting the sheep
This is a common trait of Prasch’s teachings once you start to really listen to him and check every thing he says, you start to see inconsistencies in facts and scriptures. More and more are finding the errors in his teachings and they spread much farther and deeper than just this example.
Double standards are most commonly seen as a decisive psychological tool used to defend one’s ego or subconscious from the shortcomings of one’s own set of values or contrasting principles. Its similar to what Ephesians 4:14 teaches concerning “being tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine,” which shows the childish fickleness and the causes that lead to it. In other words, Jacob Prasch “inwardly” is a very unstable man.
1. https://closingstages.net/2016/08/02/moriel-madness/
2. https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=11053
3. https://youtu.be/Wq6FvUU1DFg
4. https://www.goodreads.com/work/editions/13607305-faithful-abundant-true—bible-study-book-three-lives-going-deeper-still
5. https://youtu.be/mkyZa2iJZYs
6. Amos 3:3
In his “teaching” titled :Usurping Headship” (5) at the 52:13 mark: Prasch states:
“you look at this, Joyce Meyer, Beth Moore, Cindy Jacobs, they’re all propagating false doctrine. All of them propagating false doctrine. Now there are women ministries that are valid, people like Kay Arthur, I have no problem with them. They teach women.”
How is it possible that Jacob can endorse someone who shares a platform and co-authors a book with a known false teacher “propagating false doctrine”, his own words? By the way the book was published in 2010 so it’s not like this was something that has happened recently and he just wasn’t aware. Does anyone, who allows him in their pulpits, fact check this man? Is he sending women off to contemplative prayer? The question then needs to be asked how can Jacob condemn Moore but endorse Arthur…isn’t it all leaven? How can two walk together unless they agree? (6) Who’s fact checking him? Who’s protecting the sheep
This is a common trait of Prasch’s teachings once you start to really listen to him and check every thing he says, you start to see inconsistencies in facts and scriptures. More and more are finding the errors in his teachings and they spread much farther and deeper than just this example.
Double standards are most commonly seen as a decisive psychological tool used to defend one’s ego or subconscious from the shortcomings of one’s own set of values or contrasting principles. Its similar to what Ephesians 4:14 teaches concerning “being tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine,” which shows the childish fickleness and the causes that lead to it. In other words, Jacob Prasch “inwardly” is a very unstable man.
1. https://closingstages.net/2016/08/02/moriel-madness/
2. https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=11053
3. https://youtu.be/Wq6FvUU1DFg
4. https://www.goodreads.com/work/editions/13607305-faithful-abundant-true—bible-study-book-three-lives-going-deeper-still
5. https://youtu.be/mkyZa2iJZYs
6. Amos 3:3
Wednesday 19 December 2018
CLOSINGSTAGES APPEALS TO THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SPIRITUALLY ABUSED BY MORIEL/JACOB PRASCH
https://closingstages.net/2018/12/19/we-too-have-contacted-catalyst-graham-baldwin-concerning-jacob-prasch-moriel/
We too have contacted Catalyst/Graham Baldwin concerning Jacob Prasch/Moriel
We are letting as many as we can know that we too have contacted Graham Baldwin. The spiritual abuse that has taken place over a long period of time and has gone unchecked has to be stopped. Many have suffered greatly and still are.
catalysthelpline@gmail.com
We need to encourage, care and support each other. Praying for all who have suffered and are suffering, you’re not alone. If you have been or if you know of someone who has please share this information with them.
1 Corinthians 12:25-26
That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honored, all the members rejoice with it.
Ephesians 4:29
Let no unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building up the one in need and bringing grace to those who listen.
1Thessalonians 5:14-15
Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feeble-minded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.
See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
Philippians 2:4
Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.
closingstages.net/2018/12/16/jacob-prasch-moriel-under-investigation-presented-by-graham-baldwin/
closingstages.net/2018/12/17/my-email-to-graham-baldwin-regarding-jacob-prasch-moriel-under-investigation-by-treena-gisborn/
We too have contacted Catalyst/Graham Baldwin concerning Jacob Prasch/Moriel
We are letting as many as we can know that we too have contacted Graham Baldwin. The spiritual abuse that has taken place over a long period of time and has gone unchecked has to be stopped. Many have suffered greatly and still are.
“If you have suffered in any way by your involvement with Jacob Prasch/Moriel Please contact our helpline in complete confidence.”
We need to encourage, care and support each other. Praying for all who have suffered and are suffering, you’re not alone. If you have been or if you know of someone who has please share this information with them.
1 Corinthians 12:25-26
That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honored, all the members rejoice with it.
Ephesians 4:29
Let no unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building up the one in need and bringing grace to those who listen.
1Thessalonians 5:14-15
Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feeble-minded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.
See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
Philippians 2:4
Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.
closingstages.net/2018/12/16/jacob-prasch-moriel-under-investigation-presented-by-graham-baldwin/
closingstages.net/2018/12/17/my-email-to-graham-baldwin-regarding-jacob-prasch-moriel-under-investigation-by-treena-gisborn/
Monday 17 December 2018
MY EMAIL TO GRAHAM BALDWIN REGARDING JACOB PRASCH & MORIEL UNDER INVESTIGATION
Jacob Prasch & Moriel Under Investigation Video
My email to Graham Baldwin of Catalyst Counselling:
Dear Graham
For the record, I would like to add my experience of Jacob Prasch to the information that you have submitted on YouTube. I do not feel that I need counselling or any other kind of help, but rather my aim is to expose this man as a false teacher and a reviler. (Ephesians 5:11; 1 Corinthians 5:11).
I began to question Jacob Prasch’s intra-seal theory back in 2015. Things soon began to turn very nasty after I decided that it would not be in my interests to meet Prasch in London to discuss intra-seal with him as Moriel had suggested. I began writing posts on my blog refuting intra-seal, and then later I published a short book on Amazon. I plan to add more to this book in due course and to publish it in paperback. https://www.amazon.co.uk/INTRA-SEAL-RAPTURE-DECEPTION-EXPOSED-devised-ebook/dp/B06X6N2JJT
When I responded to Prasch’s misogynist teaching on women – this was part of his response:
“The doctrinal ignorance reflected on these feminist blogs is unmistakably evident as is the fact that their feminist rants are fuelled by emotionally charged outbursts reflecting the demonic Jezebel spirit where the husbands submit to their wives in an abrogation of God's order..”
https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2016/07/jacob-prasch-moriel-ministries-gagging.htm
I have also been accused of acting “without a covering” by Prasch’s henchman, Joshua Chavez on Moriel TV FB page. This particular insult has since been taken down. Prasch has also called me an “ignoramus” elsewhere. I responded to Prasch’s teaching on women because I believe he has done great damage in that area, not only to myself, but to other women who are called to ministry. Prasch clearly construes anyone who questions his distorted teaching on women as a “Jezebel” who wants to rule over men. This is simply not the case at all.
Prasch’s teaching on women is very unbalanced, as my friends Pat and Mike have pointed out a number of times on closingstages.net.
https://closingstages.net/2016/08/05/to-many-heads-to-many-coverings-the-murky-teachings-of-jacob-prasch/
One particular friend who I shall not name has been very hurt and has backed away from the whole Prasch situation. She wrote to me recently:
“Late last winter I got hammered between 2 men for two weeks regarding my (our) experiences with JP as tho I was the one who misunderstood, was wrong, should look for reconciliation,..blah, blah. That was the last of it for me..”
God bless you
Treena Gisborn
Sunday 16 December 2018
Jacob Prasch & Moriel Under Investigation
Moriel's Response:
Announcement
A staged video clip falsely claiming that Moriel & Jacob Prasch are 'Under Investigation' is of course completely without foundation. Such fabrications are as untrue as they are malicious. We are able to confirm that neither Moriel or Jacob Prasch are under any investigation of any kind by any civil, governmental, or police authority for anything in any country or in any jurisdiction.
Moriel TV has already ceased commenting on the David Nathan issue and we have ceased responding to his proponents and defenders such as Deborah and Stuart Menelaws though do stand by the factual accuracy of what had been reported. We reject as hyperbolic nonsense the hideous demands of Graham Baldwin and the Menelaws framed in language that may legally constitute blackmail.
Moriel TV transmissions are produced, operated and administrated in the USA under the ownership of Moriel USA, which is legally and financially separate from Moriel UK. Our attorneys assure us our content is protected under First Amendment and Fair Use laws. The legal home and tax home of Jacob Prasch is in the USA although he is in other countries for interim periods (including the UK). He has no UK home, property lease, permanent address, or personal assets in the UK. Jacob Prasch moreover is not even on Social Media and is therefore in no position to 'e-stalk' or harass anyone.
As the ROKU financial report of Moriel shows, no wages for Jacob Prasch appear in the audits of Moriel UK because Jacob does not receive any, and all of our recorded materials are freely available at no cost on the Internet. We invite anyone to download any material of Moriel or Jacob Prasch free of charge, only requesting it not be edited or commercially sold. Giving it away is encouraged.
Emails sent by us in response to vitriolic attacks against Moriel Ministries and Jacob Prasch claimed to be abusive by Mr. Baldwin and the Menelaws have notably not been produced by them, essentially because read in context as such do not exist. They are merely replies to hostile attacks upon us including libelous allegations of mental illness. We have however, decline to reply to more recent emails by David Nathan and Deborah Menelaws who seem pointlessly intent to keeping this monster alive. All that needs to be established doctrinally and otherwise has been stated and re-stated already and we do not intend to be participants of this Christ dishonoring religious charade triggered by heresy and those who defend it. For us it has been over for some time already.
A staged video clip falsely claiming that Moriel & Jacob Prasch are 'Under Investigation' is of course completely without foundation. Such fabrications are as untrue as they are malicious. We are able to confirm that neither Moriel or Jacob Prasch are under any investigation of any kind by any civil, governmental, or police authority for anything in any country or in any jurisdiction.
Moriel TV has already ceased commenting on the David Nathan issue and we have ceased responding to his proponents and defenders such as Deborah and Stuart Menelaws though do stand by the factual accuracy of what had been reported. We reject as hyperbolic nonsense the hideous demands of Graham Baldwin and the Menelaws framed in language that may legally constitute blackmail.
Moriel TV transmissions are produced, operated and administrated in the USA under the ownership of Moriel USA, which is legally and financially separate from Moriel UK. Our attorneys assure us our content is protected under First Amendment and Fair Use laws. The legal home and tax home of Jacob Prasch is in the USA although he is in other countries for interim periods (including the UK). He has no UK home, property lease, permanent address, or personal assets in the UK. Jacob Prasch moreover is not even on Social Media and is therefore in no position to 'e-stalk' or harass anyone.
As the ROKU financial report of Moriel shows, no wages for Jacob Prasch appear in the audits of Moriel UK because Jacob does not receive any, and all of our recorded materials are freely available at no cost on the Internet. We invite anyone to download any material of Moriel or Jacob Prasch free of charge, only requesting it not be edited or commercially sold. Giving it away is encouraged.
Emails sent by us in response to vitriolic attacks against Moriel Ministries and Jacob Prasch claimed to be abusive by Mr. Baldwin and the Menelaws have notably not been produced by them, essentially because read in context as such do not exist. They are merely replies to hostile attacks upon us including libelous allegations of mental illness. We have however, decline to reply to more recent emails by David Nathan and Deborah Menelaws who seem pointlessly intent to keeping this monster alive. All that needs to be established doctrinally and otherwise has been stated and re-stated already and we do not intend to be participants of this Christ dishonoring religious charade triggered by heresy and those who defend it. For us it has been over for some time already.
A detailed point by point response to this poorly contrived 'investigation' nonsense may be made available upon request to those known to us, but we have ended any further TV commenting on this David Nathan & Menelaws issue weeks ago. Others wishing to drag it out, will continue to be ignored. We have meanwhile thanked Bill Randles for his apologetic removal of a blog critical of Jacob.
Sincerely,
Moriel Board
DEBATE CANCELLED: JACOB PRASCH REFUSES TO MEET DAVID NATHAN IN THE UK
So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. (1 Peter 2:1).
To his disgrace, Jacob Prasch has chosen to post yet more derogatory remarks about David Nathan on Moriel TV's Facebook page, this time concerning the proposed debate between them: "After accepting the invitation of Bill Randles to debate, David Nathan backs down and runs away again". {1} Moriel TV have published only a fragment of what was communicated between Moriel, David Nathan, Bill Randles and others, once again giving their readers half truths and a very biased view of the real situation. Just like his eschatology, Prasch's version of truth differs significantly from reality!
David Nathan has published ALL the emails that have passed between the various parties concerning the proposed debate. This gives us the full picture, instead of Moriel's continuing accusations and half truths.
THE TRUTH: Jacob Prasch has refused to meet with David Nathan in the UK where he knows he will get a fair hearing:
Tuesday 11 December 2018
DAVID NATHAN TO ENGAGE WITH JACOB PRASCH NEXT YEAR
As David Nathan is not on Facebook, he has asked a number of people to share the good news that he looks forward to engaging with James Jacob Prasch next year on neutral ground in England.
He wrote the following to Bill Randles:
Dear Bill
He wrote the following to Bill Randles:
Dear Bill
Thank you for getting all parties to agree to meet and resolve the issues that have arisen over the last few months. This can only bring correction and repentance were needed and most importantly, healing to the Church as a whole, something that I have desired from the very outset which is evidenced in all my responses to Jacob and Moriel.
Having reflected overnight on the proposed meeting, which I am absolutely committed to, I would like to recommend that the following be taken into consideration as it is I who have to defend myself according to both Titus 3:10 and in a sense 1 Timothy 5:19 against numerous accusations.
Firstly and most importantly, I would like the meeting to take place in the UK, at a central venue that Jacob approves of. This is not negotiable for me and should be agreeable for Jacob who is resident in the UK. Some of the reasons for this are;
- Both parties have a strong support base in the UK whereas only one has one in the USA.
- I am able to easily call witnesses to testify in the UK as many are based there. The monies Believers in Grace would save in paying our airfares and accommodation could be used for you to travel to the UK where you are greatly loved and respected.
- All the council members of CMFI are resident in the UK and they too have strongly urged their members to avoid me. I have the right to be addressed by them and be able to make a defence.
- There are numerous highly respected Greek and Hebrew scholars if required, some whom are well known to Jacob.
- If Jacob’s claims that I am a heretic are correct and to be avoided, then it must be before those where I have ministered most often for the protection of their churches.
Due to the numerous accusations that have been levelled against me by Jacob and others, I request that the meeting deal with each of the doctrinal concerns that have been raised over the last 4 to 5 months and not be limited to the two you initially suggested.
The accusation that I call myself an apostle needs to be addressed and dealt with too.
Jacob has mentioned in numerous emails that I have been “blacklisted” from numerous churches both in the UK, USA, Australia and South Africa. I request a letter from each of the churches he refers to, from the senior pastor, stating the reason why they no longer want me in their churches as I have a right to defend myself against these accusations also. For example, a letter from Steve Mitchell from FBC in Columbus Ohio stating the reasons why he as the senior pastor will never have me back based on what I have taught at his church. The reason for this is that some churches will not have me back because I they are cessationists or I taught against OSAS or they are strongly pre-trip in regards the Rapture, or a combination of all three. The reality that those ministers outside of the UK will probably not be able to attend, necessitates that their letters reach me (copies to all on this mailing list is suggested) well before the date of the meeting that I have the opportunity to give a rebuttal to their letters and receive a further response.
Finally, that the manner and spirit in which this whole affair has been dealt with be addressed and where parties have acted in a manner contrary to Scripture, they are held accountable.
I trust that the above, which I believe to be fair in light of all that has transpired, is acceptable to you.
- Both parties have a strong support base in the UK whereas only one has one in the USA.
- I am able to easily call witnesses to testify in the UK as many are based there. The monies Believers in Grace would save in paying our airfares and accommodation could be used for you to travel to the UK where you are greatly loved and respected.
- All the council members of CMFI are resident in the UK and they too have strongly urged their members to avoid me. I have the right to be addressed by them and be able to make a defence.
- There are numerous highly respected Greek and Hebrew scholars if required, some whom are well known to Jacob.
- If Jacob’s claims that I am a heretic are correct and to be avoided, then it must be before those where I have ministered most often for the protection of their churches.
Due to the numerous accusations that have been levelled against me by Jacob and others, I request that the meeting deal with each of the doctrinal concerns that have been raised over the last 4 to 5 months and not be limited to the two you initially suggested.
The accusation that I call myself an apostle needs to be addressed and dealt with too.
Jacob has mentioned in numerous emails that I have been “blacklisted” from numerous churches both in the UK, USA, Australia and South Africa. I request a letter from each of the churches he refers to, from the senior pastor, stating the reason why they no longer want me in their churches as I have a right to defend myself against these accusations also. For example, a letter from Steve Mitchell from FBC in Columbus Ohio stating the reasons why he as the senior pastor will never have me back based on what I have taught at his church. The reason for this is that some churches will not have me back because I they are cessationists or I taught against OSAS or they are strongly pre-trip in regards the Rapture, or a combination of all three. The reality that those ministers outside of the UK will probably not be able to attend, necessitates that their letters reach me (copies to all on this mailing list is suggested) well before the date of the meeting that I have the opportunity to give a rebuttal to their letters and receive a further response.
Finally, that the manner and spirit in which this whole affair has been dealt with be addressed and where parties have acted in a manner contrary to Scripture, they are held accountable.
I trust that the above, which I believe to be fair in light of all that has transpired, is acceptable to you.
Sincerely,
David Nathan
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