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Thursday, 5 September 2019

JOHN HALLER AND JACOB PRASCH: THE RAPTURE QUESTION

Two prewrath rapture teachers will be speaking at the 2019 Columbus Bible Prophecy Conference hosted by Fellowship Bible Chapel between the 11-13th of October. Alan Kurschner (Eschatos Ministries), and Charles Cooper (founder and director of the Prewrath Resource Institute of Orlando). {1} This is (hopefully?) a definite step in the right direction for John Haller (pastor/elder of FBC), who has been very thick with Jacob Prasch (Moriel Ministries) in the past. Does this latest development signify cooling off in the relationship between Haller and Prasch, or will there be a further attempt to promote Prasch's rapture theory as a plausible variation of prewrath just prior to the Columbus Conference? Prasch was a speaker at FBC as recently as March of this year, and Haller will be a speaker at Moriel's Canadian Conference on the 4th and 5th of October.

The prewrath rapture position was developed by Robert Van Kampen during the 1970's. I am at a loss to understand why Jacob Prasch is in denial about this fact. Prasch gives all the credit for prewrath to those who cannot legitimately take the credit for it i.e. Tregelles (misspelled "Tregellas/Tregallis") and CS Lovett. {2} In fact, Tregelles was post-tribulational and had nothing whatsoever to do with the development of prewrath. Lovett's version of prewrath differs significantly from the prewrath position as we know it today. Lovett extended the tribulation to the entirety of the 70th week of Daniel and put the rapture at the end of this period. According to Lovett, the wrath of God is poured out after the 70th week. The church therefore escapes the wrath, but goes through a supposed seven year tribulation. As I have previously stated, the pioneer of the prewrath rapture view as we know it today was undoubtedly Robert Van Kampen who was later supported by Marvin Rosenthall. The fact that Prasch disputes these simple facts is a testimony to his duplicitous character.

Jacob Prasch has hatched his own very own rapture theory that he has designated "intra-seal" in a conceited attempt to get it recognised as a credible thesis. In reality, Prasch's muddled theory is a corruption of the prewrath position. Prasch is an opportunist whose theory is an unoriginal mishmash between prewrath and pre-trib. He has taken the timing of the rapture from the prewrath camp, hence his attempt to pass off prewrath and intra seal as two variations of the same fundamental position. {3} This claim is an insult to prewrath scholarship. I haven't noticed any prewrath scholars rushing to agree with Prasch about the alleged similarities between prewrath and intra-seal. Ironically, in an attempt to promote his own gibberish, Prasch has the audacity to point out where prewrath scholars supposedly "get it wrong"! Today's prewrath scholars are, in my view, very careful in their exegesis, and unlike Prasch, they can back up their assertions with the scriptures. 

*Prasch's pneumatology is copied from cult leader John Nelson Darby, who was the first person to claim that the Restrainer of 2 Thessalonians is the Holy Spirit. Prewrath teachers generally maintain that the Archangel Michael is the Restrainer, and although they are not dogmatic, there is scriptural evidence to support their view.

*Prasch oscillates confusingly between a supposed seven year tribulation (pre-trib), and a three and a half year tribulation (prewrath). {4}

*Prasch differs with prewrath position regarding the timing of the two witnesses in Revelation 11 despite demonstrable proof that the two witnesses will be in Jerusalem during the second half of the 70th week of Daniel. {5}

The danger of Prasch's intra seal theory is that it adds to the general confusion surrounding the 70th week of Daniel. Intra-seal may actually work against the purposes of God and have the effect of strengthening the false pre-tribulation rapture theory which has such a stronghold on the Western church. Prasch has done no-one any favours with his wacky theory. Furthermore, no one, even within Moriel, with the exception of Prasch himself, appears to understand intra-seal. Like Darby's pre-trib rapture deception, intra-seal is nothing more than an exercise in pseudo academic vainglory and should be treated as such. I regard this whole sorry theory as a presumptuous misrepresentation of the Holy Spirit. (2 Corinthians 11:4).

Prasch: "Pentecost is reversed... the same as Jesus went and sent the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit goes and sends Jesus. In that interim period you have a powerless church that cannot fulfil its mission any more... The Holy Spirit will not be taken from the hearts of true believers but He will be taken from the world (Gen 6:3; 2 Th 2:6). God will, as it were, return to an Old Covenant dealing with man.." {6} None of these statements can be validated by the scriptures. (1 John 4:1).

Another one of Prasch's dubious claims is his insistence that he had sorted out the timing of the rapture before anyone else!

9th August 2016:

Prach: "LONG BEFORE the term 'pre-wrath' was crystallised... I and others like me.. BEFORE pre-wrath came into vogue, BEFORE the term was coined, I believed that the rapture was between the sixth and seventh seal.. I and others have ALWAYS believed that the rapture will not take place until the faithful church knows who the Antichrist is .. I believed it BEFORE pre-wrath was even termed 'pre wrath' and believed it BEFORE those books that launched pre-wrath were written." {7}

My response:

"Let us do a little calculation shall we? Jacob Prasch claims that he became a Christian in February of 1972 through The Children of God cult. After leaving The Children of God, he admits to getting caught up in various false teachings during the following five years.{1} That brings us to 1977. Robert Van Kampen taught and developed what is known today as the 'pre-wrath' rapture during the 1970s, and Marvin Rosenthal eventually published his book The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church in 1990.{2} Is JP seriously expecting us to believe that he had his eschatology all sorted out during the 1970's prior to Van Kampen and Rosenthall? There were two views of the rapture prior the 1970's: The classic post-tribulational view, and Darby's false pre-tribulational view which became popular after the 1830s. Dispensationalist Robert Gundry also modified the post-trib position to take account of the 7th seal. I am not aware of anyone preaching a rapture in between the 6th and 7th seal of Revelation pre-dating Gundry, Van Kampen and Rosenthall, and yet JP says that he and some mysterious 'others' believed this view. It does not add up does it? Perhaps this is JP's nod to his Irish descent since it is clearly a bit of Irish blarney! I do not like to call anyone an outright liar, but I do not know what else to call this piece of fiction!" {8}

Speculation about Prasch's claimed "Jewish descent" has also come into question recently. {9} It appears that Prasch not only has a fake Jewish identity, he has a fake rapture theory to match!

John Haller: "Without truth your love isn't worth very much." (53:00) {10}

John Haller and other Prasch supporters have been very remiss in not presenting ALL the facts about Jacob Prasch in their attempted defamation of David Nathan. (Proverbs 20:10,23; 11:1). As an attorney, Haller should know the value of presenting ALL the evidence in any given dispute. Unfortunately he has been one of Prasch's shills for some considerable time, along with Amos Farrell, Joshua Chavez (or whatever he calls himself), Marco Quintana, Ian Huxham and Bill Randles. Incidentally Bill Randles now says: "I deeply regret much of my involvement with Jacob". {11}

Hopefully the 2019 Columbus Bible Prophecy Conference will redress Prasch's false teaching and bring some sanity to the rapture question.

1.   http://fbchapel.com/content/2019-columbus-bible-prophecy-conference
2.   https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2016/08/jacob-prasch-moriel-ministries-and-his.html
3.   https://web.archive.org/web/20190119230115/http://www.moriel.org/component/k2/
itemlist/tag/prewrath.html
4.   https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2018/07/jacob-prasch-make-up-your-mind-how-long.html
5.   https://prewrathrapture.com/the_two_witnesses_minister_during_the_sep
6.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8BousC77kU7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3iu1t6kh-I&feature=youtu.be
8.   https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2016/08/moriel-gets-questioned-jacob-praschs.html
9.   https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2019/04/is-jacob-prasch-fake-jew.html
10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTBziQz3D7o
11. https://vimeo.com/345492408/comments?fbclid=IwAR373BDgexrFpmkg0QhXz8K9K6_NEwAw33PNTt0kRjPP6dZbPNtPWwG_rBU

3 comments:

  1. At one time I listened to Haller’s “prophecy updates”. Not for long, it became apparent quickly that mostly all it was, was a recap of world events. Politics, opinions and speculations. Today everyone is getting on the weekly prophesy update band wagon, JP included, and they are pretty much all the same with varying degrees of news items, depending on who the prophecy updater is and their personal preferences of what news items or whom they want to discuss this week. So, my question is do they consider themselves prophets? Do those that listen to them faithfully consider them prophets? Isn’t prophecy scriptural? I read a comment a while back from someone who watches him, and they literally said they watch to catch up on the weekly news. That just struck me as odd since it’s called prophecy update, when it appears that even their fans consider them just a weekly recap news source. I find it such an odd thing. I apologize I realize this is somewhat off topic and I do agree that Prasch’s Intra seal is extremely flawed and is not and should not be considered similar to or a varied version of prewrath.

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  2. I agree with you Anonymous. I also listened to his updates at first, but they are so very long and drawn out. I did not find them particularly "prophetic". Funnily enough someone drew my attention to his update this week due to his disclaimer of Marianne Williamson at the 10:30 mark and his mention of Benny Hinn later on. I did listen as far as the 15 minute mark, but I did not bother to listen to any more.
    God bless.

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  3. I found your blog by accident and read the post on C S Lewis. I will post a link that is very interesting regarding this subject.

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