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Wednesday 17 April 2019
JACOB PRASCH EXPOSED (PART 6) BY FRANK ROGERS
Jacob Prasch exposed (pt6) , David Nathan (Marco Quintana) Millennial reign - what really happened?
Consistency of argumentation states that now Prasch will have to declare HIMSELF to be a heretic, or say he was wrong about David Nathan.
But he'll probably do one or all of the following (in this order): 1) yell ad hominem 2) torch a straw man 3) throw out a red herring 4) throw red meat to his followers 5) throw a smoke bomb 6) exit stage right.
There's truly no conceivable way for Moriel and company to refute this without obvious lying and unrighteousness. They are exposed. Period. There is only one thing for the whole lot of them to do, and that's to repent before God and before the body of believers that they've injured.
Actually, in all honesty, I am of a mind that the whole lot of them - Prasch, Haller, Quintana, Randles, and anyone else who's partnered with them in this evil - should step down from ministry until such time as they learn how to behave as Christians. What we've witnessed is that none among them has the integrity and Godly character that many of us thought they had.
I find it strange that people will call openly for someone like "pastor" Greg Locke, for example, to step down from ministry until he repents, yet won't even entertain the thought of making the same request of Prasch and others. Greg Locke is guilty of adultery and is to this day unrepentant. Prasch and others are guilty of lying and deceit, and to this day are unrepentant. Is one of these sins really any worse than the other?
I will not sit under the teaching of a man who cannot seem to comprehend and abide in the simplest of Christian concepts such as "don't lie".
Shame on the lot of them. And shame on the people who continue to listen to the teachings of these people. They forgot how to be Bereans and how to test the spirits, and they will be devoured if they don't wake up.
I agree completely that the gravity of this situation necessitates they should stand down Anonymous.
"No one who practices deceit shall dwell in my house; no one who utters lies shall continue before my eyes." Psalm 101:7
Frankly I am sick to the stomach with all of this. Those who continue to follow Prasch and his deceitful friends must surely be wilfully ignorant after all the evidence that has come into the light. I will stick with this to the end, as I am informed that there are more revelations to come.
"This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." 1 John 1:5-10
Faulty eschatology leads to these soteriological problems!
Prasch and Nathan are so wrong about salvation not being by grace alone throughout the coming millennium; for salvation was ALWAYS by God's grace ALONE, even under the Old Testament/law dispensation! Israel was saved from Pharaoh by the mighty hand of God (by His grace alone), THEN they were given the Decalogue in Exodus 20 to show them how to live in the Land. Men and women were NEVER saved by "the blood of bulls and goats" (Heb.10:4)! "The law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ" (Gal.3:24), that is, to show us that we can't keep it. Paul "had not known sin, but by the law."(Rom.7:7) Would WE know what sin is without the law??
This is what I believe: At the Second Coming; the beginning of the millennium-Day of the Lord, (Rev.20:4-6), those that are His will receive their glorified bodies, and at the end of the millennium those that were not led astray by Satan will likewise receive their glorified bodies, then eternity in all its fullness. Regarding the marriage feast, when "the door was shut" (Matt.25:10), doesn't mean subsequently that there is no more grace! This is when the true and false professors will be separated at the first resurrection. Those who will populate the millennium in non-glorified bodies are those "left of the nations" Zech.14:16. And of THAT number, and their progeny will be those who will be saved by God's ever present grace during the millennial reign right up to the "great white throne" thus ending the church age, that is from the time of Abel right up to the last person saved by God's grace ALONE.
This latest video has thrown up the question of the purpose of the millennial sacrifices again for some Colin. What you say above makes a lot of sense. I have major problems with the view that "grace comes to an end during the millennium". The millennial sacrifices are said to be a memorial by some. A schoolmaster? Yes - maybe the Jews will re-learn their history from the perspective of what the animal sacrifices pointed to i.e. the blood of Jesus Christ. I understand that DN has now retracted this teaching... but we see Prasch in full agreement with it above!
"For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins? But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. Consequently, when Christa came into the world, he said, “Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired, but a body have you prepared for me; in burnt offerings and sin offerings you have taken no pleasure. Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God, as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’
..He does away with the first in order to establish the second."
Anonymous, You lump me in with "Prasch" as if I agreed with David Nathan and then condemned him for what I agreed with. My critique of David Nathan Stands, I agree that no one can say "Grace " is over in the Millennium, nor can they righteously say " The Blood of Jesus will profit no one in the Millennium". Last I heard David also teaches that the sacrifices in the millennium are not memorials,(He emphatically said this). I am a but stunned at the video Frank has produced but how do you link me in with this? I never criticized Nathan at the behest of Prasch, I have always had my own serious problems with the very things you are saying, Colin and Treena, as well as with other things. Quit bearing false witness , you are so hypocritical for doing so. You will never find me anywhere agreeing with any of the things I called David out for.
A comment was left on this video regarding Prasch's claim to have a Jewish father.
Truth Dispener:
Despite what he claims, people very close to Prasch have covered his deceit for years because James (Jimmy) A. Prasch comes from a Catholic family with no Jewish blood. Both parents were catholic going back many generations. Prasch is not a Jewish surname and his dad who was a New York cop was buried in St Mary's catholic cemetery. In fact, Prasch is named after his dad and BOTH have the same middle name of Aloysius after the catholic saint of the same name.
His dad's memorial stone also shows his older brother's name and has the sign of The Cross and the Freemason's compasses on it.
The New Jersey synagogues have no record of a catholic boy of that name converting to Judaism or receiving his bar mitzvah.
This will come as a shock to the many people who followed Prasch, because they thought he was Jewish. When he first began the charade many years ago, he called himself Yacov - and many still call him that in England.
When he was challenged about it, he then changed his name to Jacob, which most people now call him, but his family and old friends continue to call him by his real name of Jimmy.
Yes, he married a Jewish girl he met in Israel. Yes, they lived in Galilee and yes, he has learned some Hebrew and Yiddish. But that's as far as it goes.
He is not called Jacob the Deceiver for nothing, his entire ministry being built upon lies.
Treena, How very interesting. If what I have just read is true and not a fabrication; surely Mr Prasch will put us right on all this?
If true, how many have been conned by this so-called 'Jewish' Bible teacher? It is not difficult to see why he would have done it; his 'Jewish' heritage somehow giving an extra dimension to his ministry; therefore more invitations to speak and sell his wares etc.
Alan Franklin of The Free Press Online (which, incidentally, has a very prominent position on Randle's links page) often referred to JP as a Jewish Bible teacher. Mr Franklin is a long established investigative journalist based in the Surrey/Hampshire area. For example he writes; "At a teaching day at the church we attend in southern England, Jewish Bible teacher Jacob Prasch did one session on..." This is under the heading of "How Calvinism gets it wrong.." (08/02/2014).
I contacted the Free Press Online on 16/11/2010 and Alan published a short piece that I e-mailed him where I write; "I have a lot of time for Jacob Prasch and Moriel, and in my opinion he is a very sound Bible teacher-probably one of the best around." How times have changed!
As Mr Randles mentioned my name, I would remind him that I am not "up to speed" with "who said what and when" and all the e-mail deletions, denials, claims and counter claims etc. You, Mike, Pat and others are much more knowledgeable in that department. Primarily I have been following/commenting on this whole sad and sorry episode only in regards to Prasch's behaviour and theology. Although I did say that Randles was most unwise to remove "The Menelaws are my friends" post from his blog.
Take notice that Bill Randles was "stunned" by Frank Rogers eye opening video but that shifted the focus to David Nathan. Nothing about Marco or Jacob. This in fact shows where Bill does not want to be lumped in with Moriel but will "Echo" the Moriel narrative against David Nathan. How about Bobble Head Prasch and Marco? Why do they get a pass Bill? I imagine your pat answer would be that you need to contact them privately.To think you had no knowledge of this agreement on doctrine would be a pretty far reach but I'm sure you will go there. I would caution people about correcting or going after family members unless they are in ministry. Like Pavia Prasch and Kristen Randles. I would challenge Bill to show his wife on film leading worship and speaking in tongues.Than let people judge for themselves. This is part of your ministry right? And yes Bill you are a Moriel speaker even though your itinerary is not listed you are still listed as one of their speakers.And yes you probably have been able to secure some speaking engagements around the world outside of Moriel. But you have been part of Moriel that is just fact. Marco is just another yes man for Moriel which he shows in the film he did in defense of his boss Jacob, Yacov, Jimmy (pick one). The sad thing is Moriel will continue to exist while they can still talk people and investors out of their money.
Consistency of argumentation states that now Prasch will have to declare HIMSELF to be a heretic, or say he was wrong about David Nathan.
ReplyDeleteBut he'll probably do one or all of the following (in this order):
1) yell ad hominem
2) torch a straw man
3) throw out a red herring
4) throw red meat to his followers
5) throw a smoke bomb
6) exit stage right.
There's truly no conceivable way for Moriel and company to refute this without obvious lying and unrighteousness. They are exposed. Period. There is only one thing for the whole lot of them to do, and that's to repent before God and before the body of believers that they've injured.
ReplyDeleteActually, in all honesty, I am of a mind that the whole lot of them - Prasch, Haller, Quintana, Randles, and anyone else who's partnered with them in this evil - should step down from ministry until such time as they learn how to behave as Christians. What we've witnessed is that none among them has the integrity and Godly character that many of us thought they had.
I find it strange that people will call openly for someone like "pastor" Greg Locke, for example, to step down from ministry until he repents, yet won't even entertain the thought of making the same request of Prasch and others. Greg Locke is guilty of adultery and is to this day unrepentant. Prasch and others are guilty of lying and deceit, and to this day are unrepentant. Is one of these sins really any worse than the other?
I will not sit under the teaching of a man who cannot seem to comprehend and abide in the simplest of Christian concepts such as "don't lie".
Shame on the lot of them. And shame on the people who continue to listen to the teachings of these people. They forgot how to be Bereans and how to test the spirits, and they will be devoured if they don't wake up.
I agree completely that the gravity of this situation necessitates they should stand down Anonymous.
ReplyDelete"No one who practices deceit shall dwell in my house; no one who utters lies shall continue before my eyes." Psalm 101:7
Frankly I am sick to the stomach with all of this. Those who continue to follow Prasch and his deceitful friends must surely be wilfully ignorant after all the evidence that has come into the light. I will stick with this to the end, as I am informed that there are more revelations to come.
"This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." 1 John 1:5-10
God bless.
Some very apt comments above.
ReplyDeleteFaulty eschatology leads to these soteriological problems!
Prasch and Nathan are so wrong about salvation not being by grace alone throughout the coming millennium; for salvation was ALWAYS by God's grace ALONE, even under the Old Testament/law dispensation! Israel was saved from Pharaoh by the mighty hand of God (by His grace alone), THEN they were given the Decalogue in Exodus 20 to show them how to live in the Land. Men and women were NEVER saved by "the blood of bulls and goats" (Heb.10:4)! "The law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ" (Gal.3:24), that is, to show us that we can't keep it. Paul "had not known sin, but by the law."(Rom.7:7) Would WE know what sin is without the law??
This is what I believe:
At the Second Coming; the beginning of the millennium-Day of the Lord, (Rev.20:4-6), those that are His will receive their glorified bodies, and at the end of the millennium those that were not led astray by Satan will likewise receive their glorified bodies, then eternity in all its fullness.
Regarding the marriage feast, when "the door was shut" (Matt.25:10), doesn't mean subsequently that there is no more grace! This is when the true and false professors will be separated at the first resurrection. Those who will populate the millennium in non-glorified bodies are those "left of the nations" Zech.14:16. And of THAT number, and their progeny will be those who will be saved by God's ever present grace during the millennial reign right up to the "great white throne" thus ending the church age, that is from the time of Abel right up to the last person saved by God's grace ALONE.
God bless.
This latest video has thrown up the question of the purpose of the millennial sacrifices again for some Colin. What you say above makes a lot of sense. I have major problems with the view that "grace comes to an end during the millennium". The millennial sacrifices are said to be a memorial by some. A schoolmaster? Yes - maybe the Jews will re-learn their history from the perspective of what the animal sacrifices pointed to i.e. the blood of Jesus Christ. I understand that DN has now retracted this teaching... but we see Prasch in full agreement with it above!
ReplyDelete"For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins? But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
Consequently, when Christa came into the world, he said,
“Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,
but a body have you prepared for me;
in burnt offerings and sin offerings
you have taken no pleasure.
Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God,
as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’
..He does away with the first in order to establish the second."
Hebrews 10:1-10
God bless.
Anonymous, You lump me in with "Prasch" as if I agreed with David Nathan and then condemned him for what I agreed with. My critique of David Nathan Stands, I agree that no one can say "Grace " is over in the Millennium, nor can they righteously say " The Blood of Jesus will profit no one in the Millennium". Last I heard David also teaches that the sacrifices in the millennium are not memorials,(He emphatically said this). I am a but stunned at the video Frank has produced but how do you link me in with this? I never criticized Nathan at the behest of Prasch, I have always had my own serious problems with the very things you are saying, Colin and Treena, as well as with other things. Quit bearing false witness , you are so hypocritical for doing so. You will never find me anywhere agreeing with any of the things I called David out for.
ReplyDeleteA comment was left on this video regarding Prasch's claim to have a Jewish father.
ReplyDeleteTruth Dispener:
Despite what he claims, people very close to Prasch have covered his deceit for years because
James (Jimmy) A. Prasch comes from a Catholic family with no Jewish blood.
Both parents were catholic going back many generations.
Prasch is not a Jewish surname and his dad who was a New York cop was buried in St Mary's catholic cemetery. In fact, Prasch is named after his dad and BOTH have the same middle name of Aloysius after the catholic saint of the same name.
His dad's memorial stone also shows his older brother's name and has the sign of The Cross and the Freemason's compasses on it.
The New Jersey synagogues have no record of a catholic boy of that name converting to Judaism or receiving his bar mitzvah.
This will come as a shock to the many people who followed Prasch, because they thought he was Jewish. When he first began the charade many years ago, he called himself Yacov - and many still call him that in England.
When he was challenged about it, he then changed his name to Jacob, which most people now call him, but his family and old friends continue to call him by his real name of Jimmy.
Yes, he married a Jewish girl he met in Israel. Yes, they lived in Galilee and yes, he has learned some Hebrew and Yiddish.
But that's as far as it goes.
He is not called Jacob the Deceiver for nothing, his entire ministry being built upon lies.
Treena,
ReplyDeleteHow very interesting.
If what I have just read is true and not a fabrication; surely Mr Prasch will put us right on all this?
If true, how many have been conned by this so-called 'Jewish' Bible teacher? It is not difficult to see why he would have done it; his 'Jewish' heritage somehow giving an extra dimension to his ministry; therefore more invitations to speak and sell his wares etc.
Alan Franklin of The Free Press Online (which, incidentally, has a very prominent position on Randle's links page) often referred to JP as a Jewish Bible teacher. Mr Franklin is a long established investigative journalist based in the Surrey/Hampshire area. For example he writes; "At a teaching day at the church we attend in southern England, Jewish Bible teacher Jacob Prasch did one session on..." This is under the heading of "How Calvinism gets it wrong.." (08/02/2014).
I contacted the Free Press Online on 16/11/2010 and Alan published a short piece that I e-mailed him where I write; "I have a lot of time for Jacob Prasch and Moriel, and in my opinion he is a very sound Bible teacher-probably one of the best around." How times have changed!
As Mr Randles mentioned my name, I would remind him that I am not "up to speed" with "who said what and when" and all the e-mail deletions, denials, claims and counter claims etc. You, Mike, Pat and others are much more knowledgeable in that department. Primarily I have been following/commenting on this whole sad and sorry episode only in regards to Prasch's behaviour and theology. Although I did say that Randles was most unwise to remove "The Menelaws are my friends" post from his blog.
God bless.
Take notice that Bill Randles was "stunned" by Frank Rogers eye opening video but that shifted the focus to David Nathan. Nothing about Marco or Jacob. This in fact shows where Bill does not want to be lumped in with Moriel but will "Echo" the Moriel narrative against David Nathan. How about Bobble Head Prasch and Marco? Why do they get a pass Bill? I imagine your pat answer would be that you need to contact them privately.To think you had no knowledge of this agreement on doctrine would be a pretty far reach but I'm sure you will go there. I would caution people about correcting or going after family members unless they are in ministry. Like Pavia Prasch and Kristen Randles. I would challenge Bill to show his wife on film leading worship and speaking in tongues.Than let people judge for themselves. This is part of your ministry right? And yes Bill you are a Moriel speaker even though your itinerary is not listed you are still listed as one of their speakers.And yes you probably have been able to secure some speaking engagements around the world outside of Moriel. But you have been part of Moriel that is just fact. Marco is just another yes man for Moriel which he shows in the film he did in defense of his boss Jacob, Yacov, Jimmy (pick one). The sad thing is Moriel will continue to exist while they can still talk people and investors out of their money.
ReplyDelete